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[John Miller]

What are people's thoughts on the PMI Agile certs? Is there any differentiated value for anyone over Scrum Alliance Certs?

Thank You,
John Miller
CSP,PMP
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[Juan Pablo Botero]

Hello

2012/5/17 John Miller <agiles...@gmail.com>

What are people's thoughts on the PMI Agile certs? Is there any differentiated value for anyone over Scrum Alliance Certs?

Is good that PMI recognize the agile methods as a good tool to projects ... but IMHO, the current certs about agile still ask Exausted documentation, so, the second agile manifesto is not working here, i think is a certification around money.
 

Thank You,
John Miller
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[Ashish Arvind Pathak]

IMO...it is a good certification to have. PMI ACP goes much beyond just Scrum and looks at XP, Lean Software Development and Kanban too. A PMI ACP certified professional is much more equipped to understand which methodology to use under which context.

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[Mark Levison]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Ashish Arvind Pathak <ashish...@gmail.com> wrote:

IMO...it is a good certification to have. PMI ACP goes much beyond just Scrum and looks at XP, Lean Software Development and Kanban too. A PMI ACP certified professional is much more equipped to understand which methodology to use under which context.

Any intelligent individual Agile Practitioner certified or not should know about all these tools (and more eg Crystal). Certification proves only you can answer test questions. CSP at least proves you have 2000 hrs of experience.

Cheers

Mark

[Ashish Arvind Pathak]

I agree with Mark...these certifications are only a stepping stone and only indicate that the person has basic understanding of the underlying principles.

Ashish

[Jade Meskill]

The value of certification is to overcome a filter or bias for when a
company requires them to be considered for work (full time, coaching,
consulting, whatever). Whether this is a good or bad thing is another
conversation. :-)

Jade

[Rafael Zamana]

I'm a little new in the Scrum Alliance, but PMI and Scrum aren't
different between each other.

Each one is for a determine level of complexibility.

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[RonJeffries]

Hi Rafael,

On May 17, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Rafael Zamana wrote:

I'm a little new in the Scrum Alliance, but PMI and Scrum aren't
different between each other.

I think not:

PMI is an organization offering information about Project Management and related topics. PMP is a certification reflecting a fairly substantial level of education and experience in Project Management-related areas.

Scrum is a process framework. The Scrum Alliance is an organization offering information about Scrum and related topics. The CSM is an entry-level step on the road to learning about Scrum. The CSP is a step on that road, reflecting a moderate level of experience, a moderate level of knowledge, and moderate training along the way.

The approach to projects embodied in Scrum is quite different from the approach embodied in the PMI's training. Ordinary PMI training concerns itself most with managing projects "from the outside". Scrum concerns itself more with setting up projects that manage themselves "from the inside".

Each one is for a determine level of complexibility.

As far as I can tell ...

The PMI community imagines that its approaches are valid for all projects. 

The Scrum community imagines that its approaches are valid for all projects.

Ron Jeffries

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[Pierre Neis]

Leaving in both universes (24 years project management) is decide to provide more my CSP than PMP.

and the market agrees.

The Guide explains that Scrum is just an empirical process to deliver SW. That's correct.

But, the power of "Scrum thinking" (I use this because it's trendy) helps you to deliver every projects better.

The PMBOk explains that a project is composed by a product and a process to built the product.

PMP must have the power of Shiva to achieve this according to the 42 processes and 9 domains.

As a CSP, I know that in Scrum, I got the guy for the Product and the guy for the process and they collaborate as a peer.

In real life, you'll find often this kind of behaviors:

• I'm aware, I got PMP
• Doing not talking... CSP

OK... sounds like an arguement

Warm regards where I do auditing Scrum in Finance as a CSP ;b))

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