Was Steve Jobs a Great Agile Manager?

[Michael de la Maza]

Given what you know about Steve Jobs, do you consider him to be a great agile manager?

Sub-questions:

1. Do you see a distinction between being a great agile manager and being a great manager?

2. If you were coaching a manager on how to be more agile, would you use Steve Jobs as a role model?

(I am aware that this question is ill posed, vague, ambiguous, subject to interpretation, etc. And, yet, I still ask it.)

[Mark Levison]

Seriously? Appallingly bad. He was verbally abusive to the people working for him. He also favoured lots of overtime.

Cheers
Mark

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[Stefan Roock]

yes, and he was able to motivate people by a appealing vision and clear fokus

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[Pierre Neis]

do you realy think that egocentrics are good servant leaders?

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[Gustavo Cebrian Garcia]

When money is involved (you are an onwer) and you are working together with a team, it is difficult to be a good manager. 

( This is not a excuse ). 

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[Yves Hanoulle]

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Op 6-mei-2013 om 18:16 heeft Gustavo Cebrian Garcia <g.cebria...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

When money is involved (you are an onwer) and you are working together with a team, it is difficult to be a good manager. 

( This is not a excuse ). 

Mm, money is involved for all of us....

[Gustavo Cebrian Garcia]

Correct. However, when you are an onwer, money and your actions are different.

[Steve Berczuk]

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Gustavo Cebrian Garcia <g.cebria...@gmail.com> wrote:

Correct. However, when you are an onwer, money and your actions are different.

Why? That need not be so, especially if you are thinking about making money in a sustainable way. 

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[Gustavo Cebrian Garcia]

Also correct. In my opinion the reality is different many times.

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[Yves Hanoulle]

mm, I have my own company for 16 years.

I think it has nothing to do with ownership but what you learned about how to handle money.

when I was studiying, I lived a few yeasr of welfare. I had 375 euro a month.

I paid rent, food, and everything with that.

At that time I had a friend who worked and spend more money on going out.

I was able to save 30 euro a month, (about 10%) he made more then 1.000 a month and could not save 1 euro a month.

that's when I learned about money, sustainable pace etc.

I bought a house after 1 year of working. He still does not own a house

being an owner does not change anything on how you handle people, that's just the excuse people are in

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2013/5/6 Gustavo Cebrian Garcia <g.cebria...@gmail.com>

[Gustavo Cebrian Garcia]

Yves,  nice example, thanks. I agree with that.

do you understand what I mean?

[Markus Gärtner]

Michael,

if I answered your question, what would you do with that answer?

Best Markus

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[Michael James]

He might have been a good Product Owner, as he seems to have had some vision.  Manager, probably not.

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[Yves Hanoulle]

I understand and agree that some people behave badly when money is involved.

there can be many reasons for that. yet for me that is not respect for people.

(including themselves or their family)

for me respect for people is a core aspect of agile