"no gold plating" = "good enough"?

[dotnetguy]

Hello - Scrum discourages gold plating. To me this seems to equate to asking yourself the question: is this "good enough"? Do you agree with this assessment or do you have a different perspective?

[Mark Levison]

Even further - "have I done the bare minimum that could possibly work."

Cheers
Mark

dotnetguy wrote:

Hello - Scrum discourages gold plating.   To me this seems to equate to asking yourself the question: is this "good enough"?  Do you agree with this assessment or do you have a different perspective?

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[Ron Jeffries]

Mark,

On May 13, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Mark Levison <ma...@mlevison.com> wrote:

Even further - "have I done the bare minimum that could possibly work."

This makes me think crappy code would be acceptable. I think crappy code is deadly.

Ron Jeffries

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[Mark Levison]

Ron Jeffries wrote:

Mark,

On May 13, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Mark Levison <ma...@mlevison.com> wrote:

Even further - "have I done the bare minimum that could possibly work."

This makes me think crappy code would be acceptable. I think crappy code is deadly.

How about the bare minimum amount of code, that is clean, readable, appropriately tested etc.?

Cheers
Mark

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[John Miller]

Minimally viable 

Thank You,

John 

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[Ron Jeffries]

Hi Mark,

On May 13, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Mark Levison <ma...@smart-life-choices.com> wrote:

How about the bare minimum amount of code, that is clean, readable, appropriately tested etc.?

That's warmer, from my viewpoint. I'm not sure where Scrum says "no gold plating" though … Andrew? Where did you read that?

[George Dinwiddie]

Mark,

On 5/13/13 8:53 PM, Mark Levison wrote:
> Even further - "have I done the bare minimum that could possibly work."

I prefer Kent Beck's 4 rules of simple design.

- George

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> Cheers
> Mark
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> dotnetguy wrote:
>> Hello - Scrum discourages gold plating. To me this seems to equate to asking yourself the question: is this "good enough"? Do you agree with this assessment or do you have a different perspective?



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[dotnetguy]

@Ron - If you google search for scrum + "gold plating" you will get many, many results

[John Miller]

I hear this a a lot also. It is not in the Scrum guide. So, I would not say Scrum says not to do it, but, it is common advice in the community.

Thanks,

John Miller

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[Dan Rawsthorne]

This isn't a scrum thing, per se, but it is a project management thing. It is specifically stated that gold-plating is bad, bad, bad, in PM theory. I would also think that meeting, and not exceeding, the Acceptance Criteria for a Story would be what we want. I don't think we're in the business of reading our client's mind. We are in the business of getting feedback, instead.

Dan Rawsthorne, PhD, PMP, CST
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On May 13, 2013, at 6:22 PM, dotnetguy <andrew.d....@gmail.com> wrote:

@Ron - If you google search for scrum + "gold plating" you will get many, many results

[George Dinwiddie]

Andrew,

On 5/13/13 9:22 PM, dotnetguy wrote:
> @Ron - If you google search for scrum + "gold plating" you will get many, many results

https://www.google.com/search?q=scrum+"gold+plating" returns "About
106,000 results"

https://www.google.com/search?q=scrum+unicorn returns "About 14,300,000
results"

What are your thoughts on scrum unicorns? ;-)

- George

[Mark Levison]

You mean you don't use Unicorns?

Cheers

Mark

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[Howard Sublett]

I did read that unicorns were bad in scrum. 

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[John Miller]

They do not do well in balloon factories….

[Markus Gaertner]

Hi Andrew,

Scrum's feedback loops especially with the piece of the Sprint Review help us find out the difference between satisficing functionality and feature creep. Once we receive the feedback in the review meeting that there are no further corner-cases left, we cn move to the next piece.

In this regard you might also take a closer look at the Walking Skeleton and Dimensional Planning to get to know how to achieve this.

Best

Markus

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Hello - Scrum discourages gold plating.   To me this seems to equate to asking yourself the question: is this "good enough"?  Do you agree with this assessment or do you have a different perspective?

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[Ron Jeffries]

Andrew,

On May 13, 2013, at 9:22 PM, dotnetguy <andrew.d....@gmail.com> wrote:

@Ron - If you google search for scrum + "gold plating" you will get many, many results

Yes and I'm perhaps the only "known" author in the first page of those results. I believe I asked what your reading source was for the term. Perhaps even better yet, is there something going on with your team where this has come up? Or some specific question from someone?

Ron Jeffries

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