the future of scratchml
Kyle McDonald
i just had a long conversation with ramon mathis and mutis mayfield
about our projects (scratchml and http://skrat.ch). mutis has been
working on these ideas since 2003, and we all agree it's time to MAKE
THIS HAPPEN FOR REALZ!
we want to band together, and we agree that the "black box" approach
is the right way to go. skrat.ch has some software they've built in
jitter but it's a slow development process, and i think while our
software doesn't look as cool, using openFrameworks is more of the
right direction.
we talked a little about speaking with traktor, serato, etc. and
decided it's probably a dead end. they don't have any incentive to
open up their product -- and it's not going to be useful unless
everyone opens up their product. it's good to have those contacts, but
we need to make our own solution first from scratch, to prove that the
market is there and people are excited. then we can convince them to
stream data out of their apps in real time, and we just need to make a
crossfader detection box :)
please check out the following document, which has some 'vision' and
'to do' list, and some notes about what kind of people we need:
http://piratepad.net/scratchml
right now the weight is more on the hardware side. not until we have a
complete capture system that isn't hacked together can we develop
better software and a website.
another big question is about funding: so far we've all been doing
this in our spare time, but if we want to really see this take off
then we either need more developers (everyone has a little free time
to contribute) or more time (we need to find compensation to do this
work). which direction do we want to go?
i think it makes sense to try and keep money out of it for now, until
we're sure we aren't moving ahead at the pace we want :)
hope everyone is well!
kyle
Dan Moore
I actually started working on an updated Android OSC Client today while listening to the talks at the OHS. I should try to cross compiling the addon to see if I can get that working on Android too (totes a pipe dream but would significantly reduce hardware requirement as the ADK adds support for external audio inputs and outputs via the USB port).
The black box is rather challenging and not challenging at the same time. I have one requirement, open source hardware and only open source hardware should be used. The r-pi isn't open source hardware but can be used until a suitable open source board is developed.
Btw they pushed an update to xwax and we should update the openframeworks addon. I need to push updates to get for the updates PC/Mac client for dual tracking with the SML standards file being written. I like the ideas in the pad but I haven't fully read it yet. But yes more people!!!!
Dan Moore
Kyle McDonald
and maaaaybe 48 kHz / 16 bit but that's probably pushing it with a 20
kHz signal.
Mutis Mayfield
I actually started working on an updated Android OSC Client today while listening to the talks at the OHS. I should try to cross compiling the addon to see if I can get that working on Android too (totes a pipe dream but would significantly reduce hardware requirement as the ADK adds support for external audio inputs and outputs via the USB port).
The black box is rather challenging and not challenging at the same time. I have one requirement, open source hardware and only open source hardware should be used. The r-pi isn't open source hardware but can be used until a suitable open source board is developed.
Btw they pushed an update to xwax and we should update the openframeworks addon. I need to push updates to get for the updates PC/Mac client for dual tracking with the SML standards file being written.
I like the ideas in the pad but I haven't fully read it yet. But yes more people!!!!
Mutis Mayfield
hey everyone!
i just had a long conversation with ramon mathis and mutis mayfield
about our projects (scratchml and http://skrat.ch). mutis has been
working on these ideas since 2003, and we all agree it's time to MAKE
THIS HAPPEN FOR REALZ!
we want to band together, and we agree that the "black box" approach
is the right way to go. skrat.ch has some software they've built in
jitter but it's a slow development process, and i think while our
software doesn't look as cool, using openFrameworks is more of the
right direction.
we talked a little about speaking with traktor, serato, etc. and
decided it's probably a dead end. they don't have any incentive to
open up their product -- and it's not going to be useful unless
everyone opens up their product.
it's good to have those contacts, but
we need to make our own solution first from scratch, to prove that the
market is there and people are excited. then we can convince them to
stream data out of their apps in real time, and we just need to make a
crossfader detection box :)
please check out the following document, which has some 'vision' and
'to do' list, and some notes about what kind of people we need:
http://piratepad.net/scratchml
right now the weight is more on the hardware side. not until we have a
complete capture system that isn't hacked together can we develop
better software and a website.
another big question is about funding: so far we've all been doing
this in our spare time, but if we want to really see this take off
then we either need more developers (everyone has a little free time
to contribute) or more time (we need to find compensation to do this
work). which direction do we want to go?
i think it makes sense to try and keep money out of it for now, until
we're sure we aren't moving ahead at the pace we want :)
hope everyone is well!
kyle
Lee Meredith
It would be really great if we could build a Crossfader into the box so if you buy 2 phono preamp's you could use this completely. Because you know what's going to make this obsolete that no can afford turntables and a mixer anymore and the ones that can might not be talented enough to care.
Mutis Mayfield
Lee Meredith
WOW Those are beautiful projects.
I would guess this even hurts my eyes to read "To get to the biggest audience we want to do both. Use the fader don't use fader"
I see this project so close to doing just that. It would be asking people to put in a another chunk of change if it doesn't. I would buy it myself as is. I'm a person that is far and few between.
Controlling things with your turntables I am all about but why is there not more out there doing it. Why is it not popular or how about this, Ms. Pinky's been around forever... you know controlling video but the form is at a crawl. OK Rane SL... and the rap shows are still a boring. Is it only that we can't get fader that's holding all these DJ/VJ back. I don't think so although it seems to be in my DNA to say it is. I think it's that the community is getting squashed by price in an industry that only wants no risks. I don't even think they want the turntable around anymore. They all just want to replace it with a box of buttons. I believe if these other companies just opened up their hardware no one would even buy in to our stuff. But if it fulfills the requirements of their pocket book and it is expandable there might be a chance we can save the turntable.
I speak as a fan you know.
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Mutis Mayfield
WOW Those are beautiful projects.I would guess this even hurts my eyes to read "To get to the biggest audience we want to do both. Use the fader don't use fader"I see this project so close to doing just that. It would be asking people to put in a another chunk of change if it doesn't. I would buy it myself as is. I'm a person that is far and few between.
Controlling things with your turntables I am all about but why is there not more out there doing it.
Why is it not popular or how about this, Ms. Pinky's been around forever...
you know controlling video but the form is at a crawl. OK Rane SL... and the rap shows are still a boring.
Is it only that we can't get fader that's holding all these DJ/VJ back. I don't think so although it seems to be in my DNA to say it is. I think it's that the community is getting squashed by price in an industry that only wants no risks.
I don't even think they want the turntable around anymore.
They all just want to replace it with a box of buttons.
I believe if these other companies just opened up their hardware no one would even buy in to our stuff. But if it fulfills the requirements of their pocket book and it is expandable there might be a chance we can save the turntable.
I speak as a fan you know.
Dan Moore
Mutis Mayfield
Dan Moore
Lee Meredith
Always great to have more information and thanks for your response. Water finds the quickest path. I just remember in 1996 I was going to the jungle parties in Chicago and once I saw somebody scratching over drum and bass I was hooked but it's took me so long to acquire all my equipment. It wasn't until 99 did not have all I needed. Sometimes I have to say can't we eliminate these suckers. On the performance front I been working scratching the depth of my Kinect and hopefully in 2 weeks I should be able to...welll you know. I've been adding my hall affects set up to improve it. https://vimeo.com/45619796 so I'm excited to integrate.
lee
Mutis Mayfield
Mutis Mayfield
Mutis Mayfield
Bob Kruijer
David brought the scratchml project to my attention earlier this week. I'm based near Amsterdam and have been in turntablism since 1998 or so. I ran a couple of sites with the goal to spread knowledge on how to start 'scratching' and related stuff. Currently it's www.skratchamental.com, but I just don't spend enough time on it. At the same time I no not relate that much to where the industry is at at the moment. Above you guys already mention the new guys and the old guys etc. So I agree with some of that. It's too much about buttons and effects it seems.
Anyway, I have always had a passion of understanding the underlying notation and definitions of turntablism. This is why I think it's a pity that Ttm never really caught on in general.
The ideas you guys are having (i read the public pad) are on the right track and I'm very interested. My background is not in engineering nor software dev (although I'm very tech savvy) but I do some work in OSC with Touch OSC. Profesionally i'm in sales and consulting so work with high-level people a lot. I can see that in this stage that will not help as much yet...
I would like to be involved in ways that make sense, and as you see fit. Maybe as my first 2 ct I would suggest combining the black box so it either fits in with fader, or it replaces the fader with a whole new unit. My logic is that e.g. The proxfade has taken off because of this and turntablist with the right mindset seem to be ok buying that and installing it.
David, thanks for letting me know about scratchml! I'm excited to discuss further.
Bob
Dj Machiel
Dan Moore
Due? It was supposed to go on sale today but no one has it. I signed
up with Adafruit to know when they have more in stock. I want to see
if it is powerful enough to do what we need it to do. Apparently the
thing has a 16 channels 12 Bit 1 Msps (a million samples per second)
ADC which should/might be good enough to do the Time Tracking maybe.
Even though it doesn't have as high enough resolution (only 12 bits)
the number of samples per second makes up for it.