RE: FW: [SCORAI] Global hydrogen viability -- a note about what Ruben means by MTI
Ruben Nelson
Hi Tom,
Since I have not explained what I mean by ours being an MTI culture there I no earthly reason you should understand what I mean; there are lots of reasons you should get some of it, but not the heart of it.
The place I have explained it that is most accessible is in my June 2022 talk to CACOR: Transcending our MTI Form of Civilization. I talked for an hour and then there was a good and clarifying discussion.
No obligation to watch. Someday I will write it up so these ideas are officially out there.
I have attached an XPS formatted set of the slides I used.
Ruben
Ruben F.W. Nelson
Executive Director
Foresight Canada
Courageous Leadership for Transforming Change
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Ruben Nelson's argument regarding a MITI society makes great sense in principle. Are we delusional that we can technologically work our way out of the current dilemma?
The latest well funded and structured effort to go beyond Raworth's Doughnut is the Wellbeing Economic Alliance which has the matrix to develop policies and actions for a humane-centric global society, and which, as Ruben has noted, does everything except solve the energy problem in a sustainable fashion.
Theoretically we could take every source of "green" energy and add up the amount that could be generated. We could then take the current world and sum up the demands. Then we could build scenarios that lead to a desirable planetary future showing variable reduction of overshoot on one side of the consumption column and then look at the mix of options for meeting energy production and see if there is a series that mix and match and the way that the two sides can be realized.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 4:13 PM Kevin Dillman <kevin.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jean,
This is probably coming quite late, but a new article we just published in Climate addresses this issue -- it is a simple analysis in an mdpi journal, but we are hoping it is at least effective in surfacing exactly this argument and addressing that while hydrogen does represent a clean "shift", it will not be sufficient for a 'safe' 1.5C future aimed for in the global energy models. It highlights how at the predicted scales of the hydrogen economy in these models, either significant improvements would be needed for hydrogen's production or how further demand-side solutions will be needed to reduce this scale if it will represent a sufficient transition for a "safe" future.
Dillman, K.; Heinonen, J. Towards a Safe Hydrogen Economy: An Absolute Climate Sustainability Assessment of Hydrogen Production. Climate 2023, 11, 25. https://doi.org/10.3390/cli11010025
Best regards,
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Kevin Joseph Dillman, Ph.D.
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Subject: [SCORAI] Global hydrogen viability
Hi Everyone,
Is there something like a definitive paper on the viability and feasibility of a global hydrogen production/consumption, market/economy? Or is this too simple a question for the present complexities of hydrogen? I ask because our governments seem to have already bought into it.
Thx!
Jean
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