"Ignore all the science" - Eugene Shapiro

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Subject: "Ignore all the science" - Eugene Shapiro

Date: Jul 8, 2008 8:58 PM

"Lyme disease is a condition that's been studied for 25 years,''
said Dr. Eugene Shapiro, a professor of pediatrics and epidemiology at
the Yale
School of Medicine. "We have good incontrovertible data on it.''

That data, he said, shows that almost everyone who contracts Lyme
disease gets better
after two to four weeks of antibiotics, including those with arthritic
joints swollen
by Lyme infection. ***What happens to Borrelia spirochetes in a petri
dish, or in
a study with mice or monkeys won't change that.***

***"It's fine to do studies,'' he said. "I'm not saying
people shouldn't do them. But it's an unjustifiable and
unsubstantiated
leap of faith to do them and then say this is how people should be
treated for Lyme
disease.''***

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Shapiro says we can't apply the science performed with animals to
humans.

He is saying that we should ignore the science that shows that Lyme is
incurable
brain disease, because "almost everyone gets better."

ROTFL.

I have never *heard* anyone say we should not do scientific
medical research, must less from the guys who spent 33 years
"studying" this disease with a net negative result- a pandemic
caused by not telling us there can never be a vaccine for Relapsing
Fever.

That's a winner.

"Let's not do any more science and ignore the science we
already have."


And, then who are we?
http://www.actionlyme.org/PHILLIPS_JE_PERJURY.htm
How did I imaginate all that damage?
Would someone please tell me how I imaginated the exact
same damage that happened in the monkeys, and with specific
antibodies to Lyme and OspA antigen in my spinal fluid?

HOW DID I *DO* IT?


Who are the hundreds of thousands of us who have that special
relapsing fever
with the immune suppressing OspA antigen that has the same bad result
as in
tuberculosis vaccines?
http://www.actionlyme.org/BRAIN_PERMANENT.htm
http://www.actionlyme.org/BIOMARKERS2.htm
http://www.actionlyme.org/IDSA_CYST_VIABLE.htm
http://www.actionlyme.org/FUNGAL_VACCINES.htm

"Although a single ligation of TLRs induces responses such as TNF
production,
repeated ligation will lead to a loss of response, i.e., the cells
become tolerant."
http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/173/4/2736


"Borrelia burgdorferi-Induced Tolerance as a Model of Persistence via
Immunosuppression"
-
"In summary, we characterized tolerance induced by B. burgdorferi,
describing
a model of desensitization which might mirror the immunosuppression
recently attributed
to the persistence of Borrelia in immunocompetent hosts."
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=12819085


It's obviously a big cover up over the damage the vaccines did.

As the saying goes, "If chronic Lyme does not exist, then OspA
vaccination didn't cause it."

When of course, ***all the human data*** and ***all the scientific
data***
says it did.


That's a classic. A winner, by Shapiro. I hope it can be made
into a plaque and hung over the Yale Medical Library doors.

"FIRST, DO NO SCIENCE"


I'm glad we got to see this, because I see they are going to try the
same thing
the DoD pulled with the veterans. They're going to say that
"although
you
have numerous scientifically valid markers of illness, it doesn't mean
you're
sick."

Right, Well then. Let's deploy the James Phillips Rule and turn
all the hospitals into brothels, since "lack of sex is the cause of
all illness."

Even in congenitally infected babies:
http://www.actionlyme.org/MOMS_CAN_GIVE_LYME_TO_BABIES.htm

We better get all them babies laid within minutes of delivery, eh?


Call the DCF!! Diddling babies is their specialty:
http://www.actionlyme.org/CRIMES_OF_CORRUPTICUT.htm

No. By all means, look at the medical records of the genital injuries
these babies suffered at the hands of these vicious DCF hoes:
http://www.actionlyme.org/INKEL_MOTION_APPEARANCE.htm

"Bite my pee-pee"


This place, Corrupticut, is really getting crazier by the minute.

KMDickson
http://www.actionlyme.org

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Waiting for a cure: Lyme disease author sees science as salvation
by Robert Miller
STAFF WRITER
Article Last Updated: 07/08/2008 06:30:18 AM EDT

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In 1993, hoping to raise their two sons away from the mean streets of
Queens, author
Pamela Weintraub and her husband Mark made a circle on a map with
Grand Central
Station as the bull's eye.

Working from that central point out, they chose the beautiful wooded
New York town
of Chappaqua as their life's destination.

Welcome to what she calls Lymelands -- the New York-Connecticut
suburbs where Lyme
disease is endemic.

"It would be the biggest mistake of our lives,'' Weintraub writes in
her new book "Cure Unknown; Inside the Lyme Epidemic'' about the
history
and treatment of Lyme disease in the United States.

"If only we'd known how infected we'd get from living on that land
and how much skepticism we'd face from local schools and doctors, if
only we'd
understood that we, ourselves, would be the bulls-eye, we would have
never left
Queens.''

Thanks to the ticks in the woods near her home, Weintraub, her husband
and both
her sons would become severely ill with the disease and force the
family to move
to Stamford. Her younger son, David, is still suffering from a re-
infection he picked
up at Purchase College in New York.

At various times, they suffered from headaches, fatigue, arthritis,
and in Weintraub's
cases "a buzzing'' that coursed through her muscles.

"It felt like electricity going through my body,'' she said.

But living with Lyme gave Weintraub both the insight and the dogged
ambition to
find out some truths
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about the disease.

Weintraub will be in Ridgefield on Saturday to speak about her book
and experiences
with Lyme disease. Her talk is set from 1 to 2 p.m. at Ridgefield
Library.

Jennifer Reid of the Ridgefield Lyme Disease Task Force said
Weintraub's story
of Lyme disease matches that undergone by her own family -- sick
children, disbelieving
school officials, and the difficulties of treating the illness.

"I asked a lot of the same questions. It was very, very moving for
me,''
Reid said of Weintraub's book.

Like Weintraub, Reid believes science will prevail in the debate. But
she also said
when Lyme disease strikes a family, it's impossible to be patient.

"The work isn't finished,'' Reid said. "But 10 years ago,
I couldn't wait. My hopes is that within the next 10 years, there will
be answers
to all these questions.''

"Sometimes it takes 50 years for scientific opinion to change,'' said
Dr. Steven Phillips of Wilton, an area doctor who has been past
president of the
International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society, and was one of the
doctors Weintraub
interviewed for her book. "But it is changing and it will continue to
change.
There's quite a number of articles in the scientific literature
already on this.''

Weintraub's book, published by St. Martin's Press, chronicles the
struggles
of her family, and other families, to get treatment for a disease that
a large segment
of the medical establishment won't admit even exists.

But rather than remaining stuck at the pro-Lyme, anti-Lyme debate,
Weintraub spent
many hours interviewing researchers who are experts in the ticks that
spread Lyme,
and the bacterial spirochete, Borrelia burgdorferi, that causes it.

What she found is that these researchers -- at places like the State
University
of New York at Stony Brook on Long Island, and the University of
California at Davis
-- are slowly figuring out how complex the bacteria and the disease
are.

And Weintraub said, these researchers, by and large, confirm what many
Lyme patients
have learned through bitter experience -- the bacteria can cause a
persistent infection
that may not be treated easily by a couple of weeks of antibiotics.

"I'm a journalist,'' said Weintraub, who has written four other
books and hundreds of articles about science and medicine. "I get my
information
by interviewing people. What I found after looking at this research is
a nuance
and complexity to support the patients' experience.''

Dr. Daniel Cameron of Mt. Kisco, N.Y., the president of the
International Lyme and
Associated Diseases Society, agreed that the research will
increasingly show that
Lyme disease is a difficult disease to diagnose and treat. The debate
over treatment
hasn't caught up to that research, he said.

"My feeling is controversy is the product of not enough data," Cameron
said.

ILADS represents the smaller contingent of doctors who will treat Lyme
patients
with extended courses of antibiotics and other drugs if they think
it's necessary.

In opposition stands a much larger group, the Infectious Diseases
Society of America,
which is on record as stating that chronic, persistent Lyme infection
does not exist.

"Lyme disease is a condition that's been studied for 25 years,''
said Dr. Eugene Shapiro, a professor of pediatrics and epidemiology at
the Yale
School of Medicine. "We have good incontrovertible data on it.''

That data, he said, shows that almost everyone who contracts Lyme
disease gets better
after two to four weeks of antibiotics, including those with arthritic
joints swollen
by Lyme infection. What happens to Borrelia spirochetes in a petri
dish, or in a
study with mice or monkeys won't change that.

"It's fine to do studies,'' he said. "I'm not saying people
shouldn't do them. But it's an unjustifiable and unsubstantiated leap
of
faith to do them and then say this is how people should be treated for
Lyme disease.''

However, Shapiro said, making that leap "sells books.''

Conflict on treatment

Weintraub said that she was reluctant, at first, to write about her
family's
experience with Lyme disease. She finally concluded it would have been
dishonest
to exclude that from her account.

But she said that she deliberately decided not in her book to spend
too much time
in the debate between doctors in the Lyme controversy.

Instead, she spent more time interviewing bacteriologists and
entomologists and
infectious disease specialists who are now studying the DNA of
Borellia burdorferi
to better understand how it works, and conducting animal experiments
that seem to
point to the reality of persistent infections with the spirochete.

One of the sharpest sticking points in the Lyme disease debate in
recent years has
been the treatment guidelines. While the International Lyme and
Associated Disease
Society believes treatment should be individualized for each patient,
the larger
and more influential Infectious Diseases Society of American
recommends people get
only two to four weeks of antibiotics treatment.

The IDSA also flatly rejects the concept of chronic Lyme disease. So
does Shapiro
of Yale.

"Chronic Lyme disease doesn't exist,'' he said. "It's
not these people don't have problems; it's not that I don't have
compassion
for them. But Lyme disease isn't the cause of their problems.''

And to treat them with long, expensive courses of antibiotics solves
nothing, he
said.

"Yes, some patients do better on antibiotics,'' Shapiro said. "Some
do better on placebo. Some do better on IV vitamins.''

Weintraub said however that many of the researchers she interviewed,
while not wanting
to get mired in the treatment debates, think the IDSA approach to Lyme
is wrong.
The IDSA won't debate those researchers, she said, preferring to
engage "Lyme
literate'' doctors and patient advocacy groups in a debate that is
more
about medical politics than science.

She also points out in her book that some of those researchers are
trying to re-think
the current preconceptions people have about Lyme disease. One of
those is an infectious
disease specialist Dr. Ben Luft at Stony Brook.

Luft's team has gone out, collected ticks and done a thorough analysis
of the
Lyme bacteria, studying its genome and proteins and trying to gain new
insights
on how the bacteria works.

"We have put together a team with no preconceptions about Lyme
disease,''
Luft told Weintraub. "We are going to move on.''

And that approach, she said, may be the one needed if the title of her
book -- "Cure
Unknown'' -- goes out of date.

"We need to say we know the science is not there yet,'' she said. "We
need to see what direction that science is moving in. We need to learn
what this
disease is.''

Contact Robert Miller

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