scikits-image or scikit-image?

[Mathieu Blondel]

Hello,

I could not help but notice that you guys were using scikits-image as project name, rather than scikit-image (without the "s" at the end of "scikit").

In scikit-learn, after a passionate discussion on the mailing-list, "scikit-learn" as project and "sklearn" as package ("import sklearn") emerged as the most popular naming convention.

This may not seem like big deal but I think a little consistency would be beneficial to both scikit-learn and scikit-image (have a look at Andreas' bio at the end of this blog post http://blog.kaggle.com/2012/09/26/impermium-andreas-blog/ ).

So here it is: woud you be willing to transition to scikit-image? (change the logo, buy the domain name, ...)

Since scikit-learn and scikit-image are the two most popular scikits, hopefully this would set the example and new scikits would follow the same naming convention in the future.

For scikit-learn, the transition went rather smoothly and now, most people correctly call it "scikit-learn" (rather than scikits-learn or scikits.learn).

Thanks,

Mathieu

[Andreas Mueller]

Hey Mathieu.
I agree that it is a bit awkward at the moment.
I remember that when we wanted to get the sklearn freenode channel,
people asked "so is this an organization? and why are they called
differently?".
As scikits-image already went through a rename, I'm not sure we should
do it again.
I remember there was some discussion back then and I think the outcome
was "well sklearn decided for scikit and skimage for scikits, that's
unfortunate but so be it".

Btw sorry for the "scikits-image core developer" on the bio. I think
that is a bit exaggerated given what others did in the last release.
I wrote that after Stephan gave me commit rights and I was psyched ;)

Cheers,
Andy

[Mathieu Blondel]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Andreas Mueller <amue...@ais.uni-bonn.de> wrote:

Hey Mathieu.
I agree that it is a bit awkward at the moment.
I remember that when we wanted to get the sklearn freenode channel, people asked "so is this an organization? and why are they called differently?".
As scikits-image already went through a rename, I'm not sure we should do it again.

I didn't know that the project already went through a rename... I would completely understand if people don't want to do it again.

 

That said, the current situation is indeed unfortunate. The people at statsmodels don't have this problem since they dropped the scikit prefix, apparently :)

Cheers,

Mathieu

[Stéfan van der Walt]

Hi Mathieu

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Mathieu Blondel <mat...@mblondel.org> wrote:
> I didn't know that the project already went through a rename... I would
> completely understand if people don't want to do it again.

Originally, the packages were "scikits.learn" and "scikits.image",
which then became "scikit-learn". I discussed this with Gael et al.
back then, and told them that I don't feel exactly comfortable with
the use of "the scikit-learn", and especially "the scikit-image"
(which just sounds awkward to me); I assumed it was a grammar mistake
that would be corrected. We've been talking about "the image
processing scikit" or "scikits-image". The confusion was apparent
even in the scikit-learn release notes for v0.10:

http://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/scipy-dev/2012-January/016941.html

> That said, the current situation is indeed unfortunate. The people at
> statsmodels don't have this problem since they dropped the scikit prefix,
> apparently :)

Agreed, and we should probably just get this behind us ASAP. OK, I now own

scikit-learn, scikits-image, skimage and scikit-image

I've reconfigured all our domains to go to skimage.org, but this may
take a while to propagate. Let's hope we don't have too much
down-time.

To the rest of the team: are you OK with re-branding to
``scikit-image``? I know it's painful, but I think it's important
that all the scikits present a unified brand.

Stéfan

[Stéfan van der Walt]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Stéfan van der Walt <ste...@sun.ac.za> wrote:
> To the rest of the team: are you OK with re-branding to
> ``scikit-image``? I know it's painful, but I think it's important
> that all the scikits present a unified brand.

And do we rename the repos again as well, or just the branding? That
was a major pain last time.

Stéfan

[Schönberger Johannes]

I also think, that scikit-image is better.

> And do we rename the repos again as well, or just the branding? That
> was a major pain last time.

What problems do we get, if we also rename the repos - apart from slightly adapting our forks?

Johannes Schönberger

[Stéfan van der Walt]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Schönberger Johannes
<hannessch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What problems do we get, if we also rename the repos - apart from slightly adapting our forks?

Everyone needs to update their forks, we need to go through the docs
carefully and make replacements, the website needs to be updated, the
Google+ page, etc. Nothing impossible, just a hassle. But let's do
this one more time, if the rest of the core team agrees.

Stéfan

[Emmanuelle Gouillart]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:53:25PM -0700, St�fan van der Walt wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Sch�nberger Johannes

+1

[Brian Holt]

I agree. It's a bit painful but I think it's worth it.

Brian

On Oct 2, 2012 8:03 AM, "Emmanuelle Gouillart" <emmanuelle...@nsup.org> wrote:

On Mon, Oct 01, 2012 at 11:53:25PM -0700, Stéfan van der Walt wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Schönberger Johannes

[Andreas Mueller]

> Agreed, and we should probably just get this behind us ASAP. OK, I now own
>
> scikit-learn, scikits-image, skimage and scikit-image
>
> I've reconfigured all our domains to go to skimage.org, but this may
> take a while to propagate. Let's hope we don't have too much
> down-time.

Not sure if that is expected but everything is down for me atm.
Just FYI.

> To the rest of the team: are you OK with re-branding to
> ``scikit-image``? I know it's painful, but I think it's important
> that all the scikits present a unified brand.

+1 from my side.

[Tony Yu]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Andreas Mueller <amue...@ais.uni-bonn.de> wrote:

Agreed, and we should probably just get this behind us ASAP.  OK, I now own

scikit-learn, scikits-image, skimage and scikit-image

I've reconfigured all our domains to go to skimage.org, but this may
take a while to propagate.  Let's hope we don't have too much
down-time.

Not sure if that is expected but everything is down for me atm.
Just FYI.

Same here.

To the rest of the team: are you OK with re-branding to
``scikit-image``?  I know it's painful, but I think it's important
that all the scikits present a unified brand.

+1 from my side.

I'm a +1 as well. It won't be as painful as last time since we won't be changing the namespace this time around.

BTW, the extra "s" in the scikit-learn logo has always bugged me ;)

-Tony

[Stéfan van der Walt]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Andreas Mueller
<amue...@ais.uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>> I've reconfigured all our domains to go to skimage.org, but this may
>> take a while to propagate. Let's hope we don't have too much
>> down-time.
>
> Not sure if that is expected but everything is down for me atm.
> Just FYI.

I've reconfigured the DNS servers, but they are not cooperating. I
hope to have this resolved within the next few hours.

Stéfan

[Stéfan van der Walt]

I've been battling it out with ZoneEdit to no avail, so I've now
re-created our DNS setup at NameCheap. Hopefully, changes should kick
in within the next hour or so *hold thumbs*

These changes will not affect scikit-learn.org.

Stéfan

[Tony Yu]

Everything seems to be working now. Thanks!

[Stéfan van der Walt]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Stéfan van der Walt <ste...@sun.ac.za> wrote:
>> I've reconfigured the DNS servers, but they are not cooperating. I
>> hope to have this resolved within the next few hours.
>
> I've been battling it out with ZoneEdit to no avail, so I've now
> re-created our DNS setup at NameCheap. Hopefully, changes should kick
> in within the next hour or so *hold thumbs*

Victory! All our sites look up correctly. You may still not be able
to connect because of caching in your local nameserver, but if you use
8.8.8.8 (remember this one -- super handy whenever you need a server
IP -- google-public-dns-a.google.com), everything should work
smoothly.

skimage.org. 1800 IN A 207.97.227.245
scikits-image.org. 1730 IN A 199.59.166.74 <- web redirect
scikit-image.org. 1708 IN A 199.59.166.74 <- web redirect

Stéfan

[Mathieu Blondel]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Tony Yu <tsy...@gmail.com> wrote:

BTW, the extra "s" in the scikit-learn logo has always bugged me ;)

This has been fixed recently:

http://scikit-learn.org/dev/

We just need to wait for a release so it appears in:

http://scikit-learn.org/stable/

Cheers,

Mathieu

[Mathieu Blondel]

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Stéfan van der Walt <ste...@sun.ac.za> wrote:

And do we rename the repos again as well, or just the branding?  That

was a major pain last time.

Not that my opinion counts but I think it's better to do it properly, hopefully this will be the last time. Also, github organizations and repos can be renamed so the "watchers" will not be lost.

Regarding domain names, once the rebranding is done, it would be nice to use scikit-image.org as main domain and other domains as redirect.

To celebrate this renaming, I was thinking scikit-learn and scikit-image could link to each other, a bit like "sister projects".

Thanks for the positive feedback. I'm very happy that the two projects will now have consistent names!

Cheers,

Mathieu

[Andreas Mueller]

> BTW, the extra "s" in the scikit-learn logo has always bugged me ;)
>

I fixed the logo last week or something :)

[Wei LI @kuantkid]

I took a quick grep on the index page for scikits, seems several links should be changed :) i.e.

community of volunteers.

is not scikits-image on ohloh, but scikit-image

For curiosity, where index file is located in the source tree (or it is maintained separately)?

[Schönberger Johannes]

This will be fixed shortly, if PR https://github.com/scikit-image/scikit-image-web/pull/6 gets merged.

Johannes Schönberger

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