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Martin Parrott
May 6, 2013, 1:17:04 PM5/6/13
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Answer:
The CAROLUS IIII DEI GRATIA coin to which you possibly refer was a large silver Spanish-American Eight Reale (pieces of Eight) coin minted at various mints in Spain, Mexico, South and Central America.
Due to a shortage of suitable metals during the Naploenic Wars, and a general shortage of circulating currency, the English acquired and countermarked the Spanish-American 8 Reale coins (and others) and used them as "Emergency Issue", referring to them as "Spanish Dollars".
The Spanish-American 8 Reales coins were countermarked with a small image of George III and circulated as Four Shillings and Ninepence until 1811.
Any of these coins in any reasonable condition, as long as they are identifiable and legible, might fetch well over £100 GBP.
These were trade dollars made for export purposes and were heavily counterfeited.
The small counterstamps are called Chop marks. These were merchant and bank proof marks. They appear on coins that circulated in the orient - especially China. But they too have been forged.
A real 8R is silver and weighs 27 grams in high grades and about 26 grams in the state of preservation of yours. You should start by checking the weight.
The edge on real 8Rs of this type is a rectangle - circle pattern. The designs alternate. The edge was applied prior to the blank being struck. It was done on a two bar edger so that there must be 2 overlaps in the edge design of identical length - it may be impossible to verify this on a coin of this grade.
The original 8Rs were about 90% silver so you should also check the Specific Gravity. A real 8R has an SG of 10.3.
The value of this coin would have to be established after its authenticity has been verified.
Answer:
The CAROLUS IIII DEI GRATIA coin to which you possibly refer was a large silver Spanish-American Eight Reale (pieces of Eight) coin minted at various mints in Spain, Mexico, South and Central America.
Due to a shortage of suitable metals during the Naploenic Wars, and a general shortage of circulating currency, the English acquired and countermarked the Spanish-American 8 Reale coins (and others) and used them as "Emergency Issue", referring to them as "Spanish Dollars".
The Spanish-American 8 Reales coins were countermarked with a small image of George III and circulated as Four Shillings and Ninepence until 1811.
Any of these coins in any reasonable condition, as long as they are identifiable and legible, might fetch well over £100 GBP.
These were trade dollars made for export purposes and were heavily counterfeited.
The small counterstamps are called Chop marks. These were merchant and bank proof marks. They appear on coins that circulated in the orient - especially China. But they too have been forged.
A real 8R is silver and weighs 27 grams in high grades and about 26 grams in the state of preservation of yours. You should start by checking the weight.
The edge on real 8Rs of this type is a rectangle - circle pattern. The designs alternate. The edge was applied prior to the blank being struck. It was done on a two bar edger so that there must be 2 overlaps in the edge design of identical length - it may be impossible to verify this on a coin of this grade.
The original 8Rs were about 90% silver so you should also check the Specific Gravity. A real 8R has an SG of 10.3.
The value of this coin would have to be established after its authenticity has been verified.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Aaron Macom <scif...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have any idea where this is from. Ask your friends because I'm curious.
Aaron
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Aaron Macom
May 6, 2013, 1:28:16 PM5/6/13
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Thanks Martin. Is there anything that you don't know?!?
Aaron
Martin Parrott
May 6, 2013, 1:46:53 PM5/6/13
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Still working on the whole meaning of life thing. :)
Martin from Texas
Patrick Sponaugle
May 6, 2013, 1:54:04 PM5/6/13
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On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Martin Parrott <parr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Still working on the whole meaning of life thing. :)
>
> Martin from Texas
>
> On May 6, 2013 12:28 PM, "Aaron Macom" <scif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Martin. Is there anything that you don't know?!?
>>
To contribute: if Martin knew what he didn't know, he'd know it.
> Still working on the whole meaning of life thing. :)
>
> Martin from Texas
>
> On May 6, 2013 12:28 PM, "Aaron Macom" <scif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Martin. Is there anything that you don't know?!?
>>
Martin, good research on the 8R.
Aaron, cool coin.
Patman
Shayne Artis
May 6, 2013, 7:02:45 PM5/6/13
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I have absolutely no idea but it looks cool, you could try and match the
coat of arms online maybe
coat of arms online maybe
Shayne Artis
May 6, 2013, 7:05:27 PM5/6/13
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I figured you could find a an answer online, I was going to grab a coffee
and then maybe have a bit of a hunt but I’ve been beaten to it.
From: Martin Parrott
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [SciFiDig Diggers] This can be a
barbie
From
wiki.answers.com:
Answer:
The CAROLUS IIII DEI GRATIA coin to which you possibly refer was a large silver Spanish-American Eight Reale (pieces of Eight) coin minted at various mints in Spain, Mexico, South and Central America.
Due to a shortage of suitable metals during the Naploenic Wars, and a general shortage of circulating currency, the English acquired and countermarked the Spanish-American 8 Reale coins (and others) and used them as "Emergency Issue", referring to them as "Spanish Dollars".
The Spanish-American 8 Reales coins were countermarked with a small image of George III and circulated as Four Shillings and Ninepence until 1811.
Any of these coins in any reasonable condition, as long as they are identifiable and legible, might fetch well over £100 GBP.
These were trade dollars made for export purposes and were heavily counterfeited.
The small counterstamps are called Chop marks. These were merchant and bank proof marks. They appear on coins that circulated in the orient - especially China. But they too have been forged.
A real 8R is silver and weighs 27 grams in high grades and about 26 grams in the state of preservation of yours. You should start by checking the weight.
The edge on real 8Rs of this type is a rectangle - circle pattern. The designs alternate. The edge was applied prior to the blank being struck. It was done on a two bar edger so that there must be 2 overlaps in the edge design of identical length - it may be impossible to verify this on a coin of this grade.
The original 8Rs were about 90% silver so you should also check the Specific Gravity. A real 8R has an SG of 10.3.
The value of this coin would have to be established after its authenticity has been verified.
Answer:
The CAROLUS IIII DEI GRATIA coin to which you possibly refer was a large silver Spanish-American Eight Reale (pieces of Eight) coin minted at various mints in Spain, Mexico, South and Central America.
Due to a shortage of suitable metals during the Naploenic Wars, and a general shortage of circulating currency, the English acquired and countermarked the Spanish-American 8 Reale coins (and others) and used them as "Emergency Issue", referring to them as "Spanish Dollars".
The Spanish-American 8 Reales coins were countermarked with a small image of George III and circulated as Four Shillings and Ninepence until 1811.
Any of these coins in any reasonable condition, as long as they are identifiable and legible, might fetch well over £100 GBP.
These were trade dollars made for export purposes and were heavily counterfeited.
The small counterstamps are called Chop marks. These were merchant and bank proof marks. They appear on coins that circulated in the orient - especially China. But they too have been forged.
A real 8R is silver and weighs 27 grams in high grades and about 26 grams in the state of preservation of yours. You should start by checking the weight.
The edge on real 8Rs of this type is a rectangle - circle pattern. The designs alternate. The edge was applied prior to the blank being struck. It was done on a two bar edger so that there must be 2 overlaps in the edge design of identical length - it may be impossible to verify this on a coin of this grade.
The original 8Rs were about 90% silver so you should also check the Specific Gravity. A real 8R has an SG of 10.3.
The value of this coin would have to be established after its authenticity has been verified.
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Aaron Macom <scif...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone have any idea where this is from. Ask your friends because I'm curious.
Aaron
Sent from my mobile device.
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Shayne Artis
May 6, 2013, 7:06:08 PM5/6/13
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well when you work that one out let me know.
From: Martin Parrott
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: [SciFiDig Diggers] This can be a
barbie
Still working on the whole meaning of life thing. :)
Martin from Texas
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