RE: [External] Re: [SBoC-F] what is mind and where it is !
Vasavada, Kashyap V
Amit,
OK! Everyone makes mistakes sometime! But this was a fatal mistake!!! Your translation gave exactly opposite idea to people like Jo who were counting on your expertise : “ you and I are unfaithful instead of you and I are not unfaithful”!! You should not have cut and pasted!!
As for the other matter, I do not need your advice as to what to do at my age!!! I will figure out!
Best
kashyap
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Yes his translation is correct. I simply cut pasted from a site.
So it's confirmed chat gtp can translate hindi to English easily but can't translate sanskrit accurately.
One day AI will do that too and it will be so beneficial to understand the real meaning of hymns from our vedas.
A
On Sat, 7 Oct 2023, 3:28 am 'Avtar Singh' via Scientific Basis of Consciousness Forum, <sboc-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Amit/Kashyap
Kashyap’s translation is correct here.
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Avtar
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On Oct 6, 2023, at 2:22 PM, Vasavada, Kashyap V <vasa...@iupui.edu> wrote:
Amit, Avtar
OK! Let us ask Avtar. Whose translation is correct? Amit translated every English word separately. That is not how one should translate. Amit’s translation of first line has opposite meaning!!!
Best
kashyap
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🙂
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, 11:31 pm Edwards, Jonathan, <jo.ed...@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
There you are Amit.
And by the way I am Jo in English.
And of course since type 1 science is all made of words like ‘waves’ that can only be interpreted in this unpredictable 1pp way, Kashyap has shot himself not only in the foot but probably in the mediastinum.
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Amit,
Sorry! Your mother tongue is probably Hindi, mine is Gujarati! But I have to correct you! Reread your translation!
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
First line should be you are not unfaithful or disloyal.
2nd line : Na hum bewafa hai i.e I am not unfaithful or disloyal!
Do you agree?
Just a little fun!!!
Best
kashyap
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Here is the full song translation in English
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
मगर क्या करे अपनी राहें जुदा है
But what to do, our paths are separated
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
जहा ठंडी ठंडी हवा चल रही है
where the cold wind blows
जहा ठंडी ठंडी हवा चल रही है
where the cold wind blows
किसी की मोहब्बत वह जल रही है
someone’s love is burning
जमीं आसमां हम से दोनों खफा है
The earth and sky are both angry with us
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
अभी कल तलक तो मोहब्बत जवां थी
Love was young till yesterday
अभी कल तलक तो मोहब्बत जवां थी
Love was young till yesterday
मिलान ही मिलान था
match was match
मगर आज दोनों ही बे आसरा है
But today both are helpless
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
ज़माना कहे मेरी राहों में आ जा
world says come in my way
ज़माना कहे मेरी राहों में आ जा
world says come in my way
मोहब्बत कहे मेरी बाहों में आ जा
say love come in my arms
वो समझे न मजबूरिया अपनी क्या है
He does not understand what is his compulsion
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
मगर क्या करे अपनी राहें जुदा है
But what to do, our paths are separated
न तुम बेवफा हो
no you are unfaithful
P
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, 10:22 pm Levine, Daniel S, <lev...@uta.edu> wrote:
Amit, would you care to translate the song for us non-Indians?
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Kashyap Jee are you not bored of singing this song very frequently now 🥴
On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, 9:54 pm Vasavada, Kashyap V, <vasa...@iupui.edu> wrote:
Deepak,
OK! Let us agree to disagree and terminate this debate for a while. I am glad to note that this time you did not call me arrogant for disagreeing with you! Thanks for that gesture!!! In conclusion I would like to quote a Hindi Song which our friend Avtar mentioned on a similar disagreement, which Indians will understand!
Avtar “ Na hum bewafa hain, na tum bewafa ho; magar kya karen apni rahe juda hai!”
Best
kashyap
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As a medical doctor, I am aware of how scientific medicine can help people .
However humans have a need to understand existence and the physicalist view of reality, local realism and matter as the ontological primitive of the universe miserably fail
Minebto explain any experience
I feel we are talking past each other and I find it exhausting to find you repeating yourself
Must be the conditioned brain 🧠? Mine too, I presume from your brain's perspective ( how do electro-chemicals acquire perspective?
Will take a break from you Kashyap for now
On Oct 6, 2023, at 10:04 AM, Vasavada, Kashyap V <vasa...@iupui.edu> wrote:
Deepak,
I agree. How thoughts give rise to currents may be a missing link. But the hope is that eventually neuroscientists will understand it. Biologists did not give up on Darwin’s theory of evolution because of missing links which were found later. This is the scientist process. Thousands of disabled people have benefitted from the knowledge about ionic currents and actions of body parts. As a medical doctor you should know this. You cannot give up science because of some remaining mysteries.
Best
kashyap
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Kashyap
I'm tempted to ridicule your superstition of matter
If you got offended who would that be ?
Unconditioned self?
Conditioned mind ?
A bunch of chemicals?
The brain does not produce thoughts only the neural correlates of thought as electrochemical activity - another human construct for experience and knowing
On Oct 6, 2023, at 9:02 AM, Vasavada, Kashyap V <vasa...@iupui.edu> wrote:
Dear Deepak,
To repeat what I said, thoughts in my brain, loosely called mind by us, created an idea for e-mail, instructed my fingers via ionic currents in nerves to type on my computer key board and hit the send button. Then type 1 science and technology of internet took over and you saw the e-mail on your devices. It is as simple as that!!! A 5 year old understands the process these days!
Best
kashyap
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Dear Kashyap
Who crafted the email you sent
You - unconditioned self?
Your mind - conditioned self?
Your Brain - 3 lb piece of meat fat water and a bunch of chemicals ?
On Oct 6, 2023, at 8:34 AM, Vasavada, Kashyap V <vasa...@iupui.edu> wrote:
Dear All,
ChrisK gave a good summary of e-mails about mind and whether type 2 science should be called science. I stand by my statements. I believe there is nothing like type2 i.e. unobservable science. Science to be called science has to be observable at least in principle! Also my conclusion is that there is no consensus on what is mind and where it is. Lat night (on Eastern U.S.) I was surprised to see Grant’s e-mail that mind is a human made artifact. Everyone knows what is brain. It is just one of the body parts. We can see in museums and medical schools. Just like heart it is not human made, as of today anyway!!! On the other hand, there are widely different theories of mind. Some say it is in brain, some say it is somewhere in cosmos, some say it is out of space-time. No one has any idea how it connects to brain, which is a physical object. A small amount of injection of anesthetics makes a person unconscious for hours.
So it is ok to discuss this subject. No one has answer!!! In my opinion it is just a made up word by philosophers. Everyone including neuroscientists and I use it without having slightest idea of what it is and where it is!!! But in my opinion, it is a name given to thoughts arising in brain.
Best
kashyap
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ive been working with chatgpt and Bard. They are best in critical dialog, not as a reliablle source of truth. Critical dialog forces it to dig deeper into its database finding different views, even contradictions.
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