Re: [DIYbio] Science research papers require viewing Adverts, no-thanks to Science/AAAS
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Bryan Bishop
Jul 19, 2013, 10:58:53 PM7/19/13
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Jonathan Cline <jnc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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I would like to register my distaste for seeing advertisements within research publications aka journal articles. Science/AAAS (Sciencemag.org) is one major offender noticed so far.
Taxpayers pay for research.
Journals are charging $$$ for access to that research.
Some journals are now inserting Advertisements directly into the research papers.
This is a very distasteful practice. Frankly it is insulting. I would purposely avoid purchasing products from advertisers who choose to attach advertisements directly to published journal articles.
Today I updated pdfparanoia to remove AAAS/sciencemag ads from papers. Call it "AdBlock for Science" if you will...
Samples:
I would also appreciate other samples if anyone has them. So far only papers since 2012 have these ads. But this is a disgusting trend.
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James Salsman
Jul 20, 2013, 1:06:08 PM7/20/13
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I think there is some potential and nuance here that we should explore
in depth. Wouldn't free papers with clearly labeled ads be a
substantially better alternative to exclusively for-pay research
articles? I mean, nobody would boycott a scientific journal which
paid for its publication by accepting responsible ads, would they?
Although I strongly approve of measures to automatically hide ads for
those who wish to do sp (and I advocate to protect such systems
frequently, occasionally at some inconvenience and risk to my ability
to continue research and development work with corporations funded by
ads) there are times when viewing ads unquestionably provides useful
data about existing and potential sponsorship. That information is
sometimes very valuable to researchers seeking supplemental funding
for their work, as well as understanding the economic attributes of
suppliers, re-sellers, large influencers and conglomerates affecting
their research landscape.
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in depth. Wouldn't free papers with clearly labeled ads be a
substantially better alternative to exclusively for-pay research
articles? I mean, nobody would boycott a scientific journal which
paid for its publication by accepting responsible ads, would they?
Although I strongly approve of measures to automatically hide ads for
those who wish to do sp (and I advocate to protect such systems
frequently, occasionally at some inconvenience and risk to my ability
to continue research and development work with corporations funded by
ads) there are times when viewing ads unquestionably provides useful
data about existing and potential sponsorship. That information is
sometimes very valuable to researchers seeking supplemental funding
for their work, as well as understanding the economic attributes of
suppliers, re-sellers, large influencers and conglomerates affecting
their research landscape.
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Bryan Bishop
Jul 21, 2013, 6:50:00 PM7/21/13
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Jeswin <phill...@gmail.com> wrote:
> in the journals were set apart in a page for adverts. Are you saying
> that now in the middle of a journal article, there is an advert?
Top right:
http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/To%20Favor%20Survival%20Under%20Food%20Shortage%2C%20the%20Brain%20Disables%20Costly%20Memory.pdf
http://www.era-mx.org/biblio/Ostrom,%202009.pdf
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Bryan Bishop <kan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Today I updated pdfparanoia to remove AAAS/sciencemag ads from papers. Call
> > it "AdBlock for Science" if you will...
>
> Do you have a sample without the removed advert? In the past, adverts
> > Today I updated pdfparanoia to remove AAAS/sciencemag ads from papers. Call
> > it "AdBlock for Science" if you will...
>
> in the journals were set apart in a page for adverts. Are you saying
> that now in the middle of a journal article, there is an advert?
Top right:
http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/To%20Favor%20Survival%20Under%20Food%20Shortage%2C%20the%20Brain%20Disables%20Costly%20Memory.pdf
http://www.era-mx.org/biblio/Ostrom,%202009.pdf
Bryan Bishop
Jul 22, 2013, 2:42:42 AM7/22/13
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Bill Stewart <bill.s...@pobox.com> wrote:
> I haven't read the AAAS's Science magazine in decades, but my father
> subscribed to the dead-tree version when I was a kid, and it's had ads as
> long as I can remember. Most of them were for university jobs, and I can't
> remember whether other ads were in Science or in Chemical&Engineering News
> (an industry rag where ads wouldn't have been surprising; I suspect most of
> the ads for laboratory glassware were in C&EN.)
Yeah, but Jonathan (what you quoted) was talking about ads appearing
inside the individual pdfs. That didn't use to happen.
> I haven't read the AAAS's Science magazine in decades, but my father
> subscribed to the dead-tree version when I was a kid, and it's had ads as
> long as I can remember. Most of them were for university jobs, and I can't
> remember whether other ads were in Science or in Chemical&Engineering News
> (an industry rag where ads wouldn't have been surprising; I suspect most of
> the ads for laboratory glassware were in C&EN.)
Yeah, but Jonathan (what you quoted) was talking about ads appearing
inside the individual pdfs. That didn't use to happen.
Bryan Bishop
Jul 22, 2013, 10:44:49 AM7/22/13
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Karel Bílek <k...@karelbilek.com> wrote:
> I agree that journals with ads is infinitely better thing for science
> than paid journals.
But.. it's already for-pay. We seem to be getting the bad end of the
deal here. Again.
> I agree that journals with ads is infinitely better thing for science
> than paid journals.
But.. it's already for-pay. We seem to be getting the bad end of the
deal here. Again.
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