On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 04:36:55 -0000 (UTC), "David Jones"
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dajh...@nowherel.com> wrote:
>Cosine wrote:
>
>> Say we have five groups of subjects, and each receives different
>> concentrations of medicine, from low to high.
>>
>> At the endpoint, we measure the diameters of the lesion of each
>> subject and calculate the mean diameter of each group.
>>
>> We expect a monotone decrease trend of the mean diameters of the
>> groups. But how do we demonstrate the significance?
>
>As part of the first step in significance testing, you need to have a
>null hypothesis as well as an alternative hypothesis.
Or - you can have a situation where you want to provide a
precise assessment, where basic "significance" is assumed, and
readily established by any test.
Having 5 concentrations, without a Zero comparison, implies
that the questions (hypotheses) concern whether the lowest
dose (concentration) has much effect, or if there is continued
gain from increasing dose by each step.
A overall test:
Assuming that the doses here are judged (by the PI) to be
(in the relevant sense) equal intervals, a simple correlation
will show that increasing dose /matters/. This will be HIGHLY
significant, you hope.
(Also, the outcome should probably take into account the size
of the original lesion. Log of the Pre/Post ratio might be natural,
if lesions don't decrease to 0.)
If I had data like these, I would want to plot the Pre vs. Post
for the 5 doses, and figure out from the picture what there is
to describe. A strong linear trend of efficicay across dose (log
concentration) with tiny contributions from the nonlinear ANOVA
components would be the outcome most convenient to describe.
> There are two
>obvious but distinct possibilities for one aspect of what might be
>going on: in one the null hypothesis has an unspecified but varying
>pattern, to be compared to a monotone pattern, while in the other the
>null hypothesis has constant value, to be compared with a monotone
>pattern.
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Rich Ulrich