Six Degrees of Neil Armstrong
Cathy James
>For astronauts of the pre-Shuttle era the record is 6, shared by
>Cooper, Kerwin and Weitz.
What pre-Shuttle era mission did Weitz fly? I must
have missed that one.
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John Charles
Graham Nelson <gra...@gnelson.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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> Six Degrees of Neil Armstrong
> -----------------------------
Fascinating! But why did you ignore backup crew assignments, which would
reduce some degrees, and bring some (like Apollo 14) into the fold?
Examples: Armstrong~Anders (Gemini 11); Mitchell~Cooper, Eisele (Apollo
10). Also, you omitted prime+backup relationships: thus, Young~Schirra
(Gemini 3, Apollo 7) and Young~Eisele, Cunningham (Apollo 7).
Regardless, this may be a step towards understanding the dynamics of crew
selections with some rigor, as well as being very interesting and fun.
John Charles
John Charles
Skylab 1 (SL-2), Conrad-Kerwin-Weitz
Cathy James <caj...@nrtpda93.us.nortel.com> wrote in article
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Tom Bratrud
Cathy James Wrote:
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>
> What pre-Shuttle era mission did Weitz fly? I must
>have missed that one.
>
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Paul J. Weitz flew on SL-2 with "Pete" Conrad and Joe Kerwin.
I'm still confused about the skylab missions... The flight summary calls it
Skylab 2 (SL-2) but the mission patch calls it Skylab 1. What gives?!?
Tom.
Jeffrey Joyce
NASA considered the launch of the Skylab station on a Saturn 5 Skylab 1 or
SL-1. The manned missions were Skylabs 2->4 (SL-2, SL-3, and SL-4). The
crew patches refer to the manned mission sequence (first, second, and
third).
Jeff J.
Tom Bratrud <brat...@cadvision.com> wrote in article
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Graham Nelson
In article <6icbut$o...@nrtphc11.bnr.ca>, Cathy James
<URL:mailto:caj...@nrtpda93.us.nortel.com> wrote:
> >For astronauts of the pre-Shuttle era the record is 6, shared by
> >Cooper, Kerwin and Weitz.
>
> have missed that one.
Skylab 2. Owen Garriott, of course, also flew on both Skylab
and Shuttle; and the lonely crew of Skylab 4 never flew before
or after their partly unhappy time in orbit. I wonder if they
would have been forgiven, if they'd stayed on in NASA after the
end of the Apollo era? Did any of them try?
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Eric Smith
Graham Nelson <gra...@gnelson.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Theorem: Every NASA astronaut is related to Neil Armstrong, except:
> (i) John Glenn and Scott Carpenter are related to nobody;
[ ... ]
>Note: In a few months' time, John Glenn will fly on STS-95 and so
> become (rather distantly) related to Armstrong.
And then only Scott Carpenter will be related to nobody. There's some
sort of perfect symmetry about that, but I'm not sure what it is. :)
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Roger Carbol
Graham Nelson wrote:
> Six Degrees of Neil Armstrong
> -----------------------------
Graham -- does this particular 6 Degrees game reveal anything about
the Challenger explosion? Did that event make the game any harder or
any easier?
Also -- if you consider the connection between the real crew of Apollo
13 and the cast of the movie(s) "Apollo 13", can one draw a
relationship between the N.A.-degree and the K.B.-degree?
.. Roger Carbol .. r...@shaw.wave.ca .. we've got a fun problem
G. Beat
For contrast, I wonder what "Six Degrees of Alexei Leonov"
is like? How are the Mir cosmonauts related?
The joint Apollo-Soyuz and Mir-Shuttle missions give you "gateways"
for Russian cosmonaut inclusions.
The Apollo-Soyuz project itself gives you Vance Brand moving forward in time
to the Shuttle and Tom Stafford moving backward through 1960's.
Interesting
GB
Eric Smith
Roger Carbol <r...@shaw.wave.ca> writes:
>Also -- if you consider the connection between the real crew of Apollo
>13 and the cast of the movie(s) "Apollo 13", can one draw a
>relationship between the N.A.-degree and the K.B.-degree?
That's a good one! But you should also consider the characters in "The Right
Stuff" - Ed Harris as John Glenn (and as Gene Krantz in "Apollo 13"), Fred
Ward as Gus Grisson, Dennis Quaid as Gordon Cooper, etc.
Tom Bratrud
Eric Smith wrote in message ...
>That's a good one! But you should also consider the characters in "The
Right
>Stuff" - Ed Harris as John Glenn (and as Gene Krantz in "Apollo 13"), Fred
>Ward as Gus Grisson, Dennis Quaid as Gordon Cooper, etc.
>
Don't forget David Andrews! He played Pete Conrad in "Apollo 13" and Frank
Borman in "From the Earth to the Moon". He must be able to generate quite a
few links ;-)
Tom Bratrud
Josh Hesse
Eric Smith (er...@netcom.remove.this.com) wrote:
: Roger Carbol <r...@shaw.wave.ca> writes:
:
: >Also -- if you consider the connection between the real crew of Apollo
: >13 and the cast of the movie(s) "Apollo 13", can one draw a
: >relationship between the N.A.-degree and the K.B.-degree?
: That's a good one! But you should also consider the characters in "The Right
: Stuff" - Ed Harris as John Glenn (and as Gene Krantz in "Apollo 13"), Fred
: Ward as Gus Grisson, Dennis Quaid as Gordon Cooper, etc.
:
That should cover it. How many hops does it take between KB and NA?
-Josh
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0009...@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) writes:
>Don't forget that Lovell did a cameo in the A13 movie as a Naval Officer.
>That should cover it. How many hops does it take between KB and NA?
Well, since Kevin Bacon was in Apollo 13 ...
Tom Austin
: I'm still confused about the skylab missions... The flight summary calls it
: Skylab 2 (SL-2) but the mission patch calls it Skylab 1. What gives?!?
: Tom.
SL-2 was the first manned mision of the SkyLab program. SL-1 was the
launch of the unmanned lab. It went like this...
SL-1 (Unmanned)
SL-2 (Crew No. 1)
SL-3 (Crew No. 2)
SL-4 (Crew No. 3)
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Graham Nelson
In article <3549EE...@shaw.wave.ca>, Roger Carbol
<URL:mailto:r...@shaw.wave.ca> wrote:
> Graham Nelson wrote:
>
> > Six Degrees of Neil Armstrong
> > -----------------------------
>
> Graham -- does this particular 6 Degrees game reveal anything about
> the Challenger explosion? Did that event make the game any harder or
> any easier?
I was abstaining from comment on this in the interests of, well,
delicacy, or respect, or something like that. A brief experiment
shows that no astronaut's "Armstrong" number alters if one discounts
STS-51L. I counted the flight because it seemed a rotten shame
not to count the three rookies aboard as astronauts. If you don't,
then the number of humans in space reduces from 383 to 380.
> Also -- if you consider the connection between the real crew of Apollo
> 13 and the cast of the movie(s) "Apollo 13", can one draw a
> relationship between the N.A.-degree and the K.B.-degree?
I was going to investigate this, but I couldn't for the life of
me remember which person Kevin Bacon actually played in the flick
in question...
Josh Hesse
Eric Smith (er...@netcom.remove.this.com) wrote:
: 0009...@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) writes:
:
: >Don't forget that Lovell did a cameo in the A13 movie as a Naval Officer.
:
: >That should cover it. How many hops does it take between KB and NA?
:
: Well, since Kevin Bacon was in Apollo 13 ...
And there we have it!
(For me, Kevin Bacon is a truly forgettable actor. I am not able
to name a single movie he has been in, though I have probably seen
more than a couple of them. Oh well...)
Justin Wigg
Josh Hesse wrote:
> Don't forget that Lovell did a cameo in the A13 movie as a Naval Officer.
>
> That should cover it. How many hops does it take between KB and NA?
>
> -Josh
Kevin Bacon
~ Jim Lovell (Cameo in Apollo 13)
~ Buzz Aldrin (Gemini 12)
~ Neil Armstrong (Apollo 11)
TA DA! This is *too* spooky... ;-)
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Ken Byrd
Graham Nelson wrote in message ...
>I was going to investigate this, but I couldn't >for the life of
>me remember which person Kevin Bacon actually >played in the flick
>in question...
>
Jack Swigert.
Graham Nelson
In article <354EFB...@tassie.net.au>, Justin Wigg
<URL:mailto:jjw...@tassie.net.au> wrote:
> Kevin Bacon
> ~ Jim Lovell (Cameo in Apollo 13)
> ~ Buzz Aldrin (Gemini 12)
> ~ Neil Armstrong (Apollo 11)
No no no! The Kevin Bacon game needs to use films -- luckily
there are plenty of NASA documentaries...
Kevin Bacon
~ Jim Lovell (Cameo in Apollo 13)
~ Buzz Aldrin ("For All Mankind")
~ Neil Armstrong ("The Eagle Has Landed")
will, I think, do it.
Thomas C. Costello
Well, didn't footage of Neil on the Moon appear at the beginning of the
movie Apollo 13, while everyone was watching TV from Lovell's living room?
Does that count?
OK, if that doesn't count, Neil Armstrong and Jim Lovell both appear in
Apollo 13: To the Edge and Back, which was actually a TV documentary. How
about that?
Tom C.
Graham Nelson wrote in message ...
Ian Strock
You people are nuts! I've been reading this thread, and I'm in awe of your
knowledge, I've also been learning a bit more about the history of manned
space flight, so thanks!
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Graham Nelson
In article <6iokmk$p...@panix3.panix.com>, Ian Strock
<URL:mailto:i...@panix.com> wrote:
> You people are nuts! I've been reading this thread, and I'm in awe of your
> knowledge, I've also been learning a bit more about the history of manned
> space flight, so thanks!
All rather silly. We used to play this game as mathematicians,
back when I was one. Regarding one's PhD supervisor as one's
"father", who are your ancestors? I'm rather proud to say that
my "grandfather" is the President of the Royal Society.
And there's a famous mathematical game called the "Erdös number",
which is like "six degrees" except that instead of films, you have
co-authored maths papers. (The majority of working mathematicians
are believed to be related to the late, lamented combinatoricist
Paul Erdös.)
Gordon Davie
> In article <6iokmk$p...@panix3.panix.com>, Ian Strock
> <URL:mailto:i...@panix.com> wrote:
> > You people are nuts! I've been reading this thread, and I'm in
awe of your
> > knowledge, I've also been learning a bit more about the history
of manned
> > space flight, so thanks!
>
> All rather silly. We used to play this game as mathematicians,
> back when I was one.
You were a mathematician at one year old? Now *that's* impressive!
8-)
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Jan Vorbrueggen
Graham Nelson <gra...@gnelson.demon.co.uk> writes:
> And there's a famous mathematical game called the "Erdös number",
> which is like "six degrees" except that instead of films, you have
> co-authored maths papers. (The majority of working mathematicians
> are believed to be related to the late, lamented combinatoricist
> Paul Erdös.)
Similar things are done by epidemiologists studying, for instance, the spread
of AIDS. Interesting, highly non-linear things happen depending on the exact
value of, e.g., the likelihood somebody has an extra-maritial affair. It turns
out that the measured (or should I say guestimated) values sit squat on the
point the phase transition occurs, with nice large error bars on both sides of
it.
Just to let you know that Erd"os numbers actually are useful...
Jan