Fred Haise illness?
Bryan Hayward
Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
Bryan Hayward
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William Judson Ready
>Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
>Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
>made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
I believe that it was a bladder/urinary tract infection. Caused by them
having to "hold it" (because the waste dumps were affecting their flight
path).
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Brian S. Thorn
: Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
: made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
No, he became ill with a urinary tract infection because
they weren't drinking enough water and had to refrain from
urinating as much as possible in order to help Mission
Control track the spacecraft. (Houston's request to stop
overboard waste dumps was meant to be a temporary request,
but the crew took it as meaning permanently, and Houston
neglected to tell the crew they could start dumping again
after a good fix on 13's position was made.)
The VD joke in the movie is pure Hollywood. There was no
reference to it in Lovell's book _Lost Moon_, the basis
of the movie. This scene, like the "we can't go bouncing
off the walls for five minutes because afterward we'll
still be right here" lecture, did not happen in real
life.
-Brian
Micheal Moery
>I believe that it was a bladder/urinary tract infection. Caused by them
>having to "hold it" (because the waste dumps were affecting their flight
>path).
Nope. They didn't "hold it". They just had to pee in every plastic bag they
could find and hot dump it overboard.
The infection was caused by the fact that they were not drinking enough water.
Without any functioning fuel cells, all they had was what was in the water
tanks in Aquarius and that water ALSO had to cool their electronics. So they
had to ration it severely.
Micheal Moery
Oklahoma City, OK
Lynn Loschin
: Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
: Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
: made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
Actually it was "Haise" who made the joke about "Swigert" giving him the
clap - and Hanks responds with "that would be another first for America's
space program."
He had a kidney infection because of the dehydration - they were drinking
very small amounts of water per day. Its lucky they all didnt get sick.
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Thomas M Faber
> The VD joke in the movie is pure Hollywood. There was no
> reference to it in Lovell's book _Lost Moon_, the basis
> of the movie. This scene, like the "we can't go bouncing
> off the walls for five minutes because afterward we'll
> still be right here" lecture, did not happen in real
> life.
Lovell did make a reference about the bouncing off the walls in a
PBS special about Apollo 13 that was shown last summer for the 25th
anniversy of the Apollo 11 landing and was rerun several weeks ago.
In it he said he has been ask if they panicked, and he answered: No,
because they could have bounced off the walls for 10 minutes (I think
he said 10 in this program) but afterwards they would have been right
back in the same situation.
Tom Faber
tfa...@america.net
Chris Jones
The VD joke in the movie is pure Hollywood. There was no
reference to it in Lovell's book _Lost Moon_, the basis
of the movie. This scene, like the "we can't go bouncing
off the walls for five minutes because afterward we'll
still be right here" lecture, did not happen in real
life.
However, the "bouncing off the walls" comment is something Lovell has said in
interviews, years before the book or movie came out, so it's not a total
Hollywood fabrication, just creative rearranging.
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Bryan Hayward
for their efforts.
John Childers
>Bryan Hayward (b-ha...@cecer.army.mil) wrote:
>: Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
>: Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
>: made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
>
> they weren't drinking enough water and had to refrain from
> urinating as much as possible in order to help Mission
> Control track the spacecraft. (Houston's request to stop
> overboard waste dumps was meant to be a temporary request,
> but the crew took it as meaning permanently, and Houston
> neglected to tell the crew they could start dumping again
> after a good fix on 13's position was made.)
>
> reference to it in Lovell's book _Lost Moon_, the basis
> of the movie. This scene, like the "we can't go bouncing
> off the walls for five minutes because afterward we'll
> still be right here" lecture, did not happen in real
> life.
In one of Ron Howard's interviews he said that he asked the
astronauts about such problems. In response they got quite
and would only say that there was "tension".
Only the astronauts know those details, and their not talking. :-)
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venting urine (they just wanted stopped temporarily, not for the
rest of the flight), Fred developed a urinary tract (kidney?)
infection. Was a bit sick by the time he landed.
Alan Pengelly
Bryan Hayward (b-ha...@cecer.army.mil) wrote:
: Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
: Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
: made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
He had a kidney or liver infection
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Dominique Durocher
(Alan Pengelly) wrote:
> Bryan Hayward (b-ha...@cecer.army.mil) wrote:
> : Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
> : Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
> : made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
>
> He had a kidney or liver infection
As I recall (and not only from the movie, this they had accurate), Haise
had been exposed to the measles. Since he had not had it as a child, and
considering the incubation period, the flight surgeon figured he would
have hit max illness at lunar orbit insertion. Not a good time. For this
he was grounded. Don't know if how it happened in the movie is accurate
though. The joke that was mentioned sounds typical of the types (military
fliers) chosen as astronauts at the time.
Dom
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Rick DeNatale
(Dominique Durocher) wrote:
>
>As I recall (and not only from the movie, this they had accurate), Haise
>had been exposed to the measles. Since he had not had it as a child, and
>considering the incubation period, the flight surgeon figured he would
>have hit max illness at lunar orbit insertion. Not a good time. For this
>he was grounded.
This is somewhat mixed-up. Fred Haise was not grounded, he was on the
flight. Both the prime and backup crews had been exposed to the German
measles. Charlie Duke, the backup crew LM pilot, had gotten them from one
of his children. Ken Mattingly was the member of the prime crew who had
never had them as a child and was replaced by Jack Swigert.
Fred Haise developed a kidney infection during the flight, this was
because the crew was not drinking enough water, they did this so as not to
have lots of urine bags in the spacecraft, since they didn't want to do
the normal venting as this would affect their trajectory.
Ken Mattingly never did get the German Measles.
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Barry Segal
>Subject: Re: Fred Haise illness?
>From: dra...@coffehaus.com (Dominique Durocher)
>Date: 27 Aug 1995 02:14:34 GMT
>In article <419fvb$n...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, apen...@srd.bt.co.uk
>(Alan Pengelly) wrote:
>> Bryan Hayward (b-ha...@cecer.army.mil) wrote:
>> : Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
>> : Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
>> : made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
>>
>> He had a kidney or liver infection
>As I recall (and not only from the movie, this they had accurate), Haise
>had been exposed to the measles. Since he had not had it as a child, and
>considering the incubation period, the flight surgeon figured he would
>have hit max illness at lunar orbit insertion. Not a good time. For this
>he was grounded. Don't know if how it happened in the movie is accurate
>though. The joke that was mentioned sounds typical of the types (military
>fliers) chosen as astronauts at the time.
>Dom
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Come on guys, get it straight. Haise developed a urinary tract infection
in-flight due to dehydradion. Ken Mattingly was grounded pre-flight due to
exposure to measles and ended up saving his crew mates by developing the power
up sequence for the command module for earth reentry.
David Wright
Dominique Durocher <dra...@coffehaus.com> wrote:
>In article <419fvb$n...@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, apen...@srd.bt.co.uk
>(Alan Pengelly) wrote:
>
>> Bryan Hayward (b-ha...@cecer.army.mil) wrote:
>> : Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
>> : Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
>> : made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
>>
>> He had a kidney or liver infection
>
>As I recall (and not only from the movie, this they had accurate), Haise
>had been exposed to the measles. Since he had not had it as a child, and
>considering the incubation period, the flight surgeon figured he would
>have hit max illness at lunar orbit insertion. Not a good time. For this
Well, according to the book, Fred Haise was suffering from a kidney infection
and a high fever. It was caused by a lack of fluids (remember that water was
one of the commodities they were in short supply of). [I've been reading the
book first and will go see the movie when I'm done.]
Hope this helps.
Dave
donald...@gmail.com
> Sorry if this has been asked before, but what was
> Fred Haise's illness on Apollo 13? In the film, "Jim Lovell"
> made a joke about it being syphilis. What is the true story?
>
David Spain
Dave
David Spain
> On Wednesday, January 28, 2015 at 9:19:54 PM UTC-5, donald...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I worked with Fred Haise back at Grumman after he left NASA. He hosted the premier of the movie for a selected few of his co-workers. I was lucky enough to go. After the showing Fred turned to a bunch of us in the lobby and said, "That was Lovell's story...I wasn't that sick."
>
Dave
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they weren't allowed to do dumps for a bit. And then Houston forgot to tell
them they could start to dumps again.)
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> We'll never know the truth of the nature of his illness because due to the nature of the NASA\military culture of the crew, the public exposure, and the nature of the times back then, does anyone really think anyone then or now would say: "Oh yeah, he was suffering from VD the whole flight." ? Even after so many yearsafter the first gay astronaut flew in space, and all the strides gay Americans have made since then, does NASA acknowledge it and how many Americans are even aware a gay American flew intoo space ?
