Moon hoax exposed by Soviet find of water on the Moon

[Wretch Fossil]

NASA and Wikipedia claim Apollo moon rocks are “completely lacking in
hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks” (Ref. 1). The claim is
disproved by the news report entitled “Soviet find of water on the
Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West ” at
http://phys.org/news/2012-06-soviet-moon-1970s-west.html
So, the Apollo moon rocks are not from the Moon and Moon Hoax is
proven.

Ref. 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock Quote: “ Almost all
lunar rocks are depleted in volatiles and are completely lacking in
hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks.”

Read more at
http://wretchfossil.blogspot.com/p/major-messages-from-wretch-fossil_15.html

[Wretch Fossil]

On 6月2日, 下午5時08分, Wretch Fossil <wretchfos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NASA and Wikipedia claim Apollo moon rocks are “completely lacking in
> hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks” (Ref. 1). The claim is
> disproved by the news report entitled “Soviet find of water on the

> Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West ” athttp://phys.org/news/2012-06-soviet-moon-1970s-west.html

> So, the Apollo moon rocks are not from the Moon and Moon Hoax is
> proven.
>

> Ref. 1:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rockQuote: “ Almost all

> lunar rocks are depleted in volatiles and are completely lacking in
> hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks.”
>

> Read more athttp://wretchfossil.blogspot.com/p/major-messages-from-wretch-fossil_...

The subject of the original post should read "Moon rocks falsified by
water on the Moon".

[Marvin the Martian]

The Soviets looked in craters that have never been exposed to the sun.

We landed in areas where the sun was able to bake all the water out, and
the moon does not have the gravity needed to prevent water vapor from
escaping.

There is no conflict.

[Sam Wormley]

On 6/2/12 8:59 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
> We landed in areas where the sun was able to bake all the water out, and
> the moon does not have the gravity needed to prevent water vapor from
> escaping.

Water ice covered by Regolith does not evaporate, Marvin!

[Marvin the Martian]

Are you saying the astronauts who landed on the moon dug really deep down
to get the moon rocks?

No.

[Sam Wormley]

Impact data in shadowed lunar craters showed water ice and regolith.
Water ice was also covered by a very few centimeters of soil on
Mars and when uncovered, evaporated. BTW Apollo astronauts were
no where near craters with water ice.

[Marvin the Martian]

You didn't read my first post for content, did you?

[BCCM]

Here is the answer to the ;lack of water on the Moon. Read the section on phlogopite.

http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=bccmeteorites

[Sam Wormley]

It's Official: Water Found on the Moon
http://www.space.com/7328-official-water-moon.html
http://news.discovery.com/space/moon-water-lcross-crater.html

> On Oct. 9, the LCROSS satellite released a 2.5-ton empty rocket motor, which crashed into a permanently shadowed lunar crater called Cabeus.
>
> LCROSS observed the impact, then crashed itself into the crater as well. Both impacts were carefully monitored by an armada of space and ground based telescopes, which studied the ejected material for signs of water and other elements.
>
> "If there's a lot of water, it's a possible resource for human exploration," said Greg Delory, a senior fellow with the Space Sciences Laboratory and Center for Integrative Planetary Sciences at the University of California, Berkeley.

[Brad Guth]

On Jun 3, 3:52 am, BCCM <bccmeteori...@att.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:08:15 AM UTC-5, Wretch Fossil wrote:
> > NASA and Wikipedia claim Apollo moon rocks are “completely lacking in
> > hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks” (Ref. 1). The claim is
> > disproved by the news report entitled “Soviet find of water on the
> > Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West ” at
> >http://phys.org/news/2012-06-soviet-moon-1970s-west.html
> > So, the Apollo moon rocks are not from the Moon and Moon Hoax is
> > proven.
>

> > Ref. 1:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rockQuote: “ Almost all

> > lunar rocks are depleted in volatiles and are completely lacking in
> > hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks.”
>
> > Read more at

> >http://wretchfossil.blogspot.com/p/major-messages-from-wretch-fossil_...

>
> Here is the answer to the ;lack of water on the Moon. Read the section on phlogopite.
>

> http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=bccmeteo...

It's like an outsider having to deal with the mafia, except it's worse
because they've got government agencies in charge of whatever the
public media and our K12 textbooks gets to publish.

Our planet has a great deal of moon rock, and much of it is 3.5+ g/cm3
and it's substantially paramagnetic.

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[Marvin the Martian]

On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:32:50 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:

> On 6/2/12 11:05 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 22:32:17 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/2/12 10:18 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 02 Jun 2012 21:38:16 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/12 8:59 PM, Marvin the Martian wrote:
>>>>>> We landed in areas where the sun was able to bake all the water
>>>>>> out, and the moon does not have the gravity needed to prevent water
>>>>>> vapor from escaping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Water ice covered by Regolith does not evaporate, Marvin!
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying the astronauts who landed on the moon dug really deep
>>>> down to get the moon rocks?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Impact data in shadowed lunar craters showed water ice and
>>> regolith. Water ice was also covered by a very few centimeters of
>>> soil on Mars and when uncovered, evaporated. BTW Apollo astronauts
>>> were no where near craters with water ice.
>>
>> You didn't read my first post for content, did you?
>
> It's Official: Water Found on the Moon
> http://www.space.com/7328-official-water-moon.html
> http://news.discovery.com/space/moon-water-lcross-crater.html

You might as well have said, "No Marvin, I have a reading problem and did
not read your post for content."

[Sam Wormley]

Water ice in shadowed lunar craters, Marvin.

[hanson]

"Sam Wormley" <swor...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's Official: Water Found on the Moon
<http://www.space.com/7328-official-water-moon.html>
<http://news.discovery.com/space/moon-water-lcross-crater.html>
>>

Mike Varney aka Marvin the Martian wrote:
You might as well have said, "No Marvin, I have a reading
problem and did not read your post for content."
>

Sam Wormley wrote:
Water ice in shadowed lunar craters, Marvin.
>

hanson wrote:
But there is sublimation from ice to H20-gas,
even without a vacuum that exists on the moon.
Right here on earth we carry out freeze-drying
in a moderate vacuum, on an industrial scale.
>
How low does the temp in the moon's ice craters
have to be that no sublimation takes place and
keeps the ice stored there for eons?
>
Is the moon-ice observation confirmed by
the phase diagram of water? -- Check it out.

>

[Brad Guth]

Only secondary indications of something interpreted as ice like. No
actual water vapor from impact.

[Brad Guth]

On Jun 3, 8:20 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

Supposedly it gets down to 37 K, but a little earthshine IR heated
from time to time, means there's not likely any plain old water-ice on
the surface of our physically dark moon.

[hanson]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
"Sam Wormley" <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's Official: Water Found on the Moon
> <http://www.space.com/7328-official-water-moon.html>
> <http://news.discovery.com/space/moon-water-lcross-crater.html>
>
> Mike Varney aka Marvin the Martian wrote:
> You might as well have said, "No Marvin, I have a reading
> problem and did not read your post for content."
>
> Sam Wormley wrote:
> Water ice in shadowed lunar craters, Marvin.
>
> hanson wrote:
> But there is sublimation from ice to H20-gas,
> even without a vacuum that exists on the moon.
> Right here on earth we carry out freeze-drying
> in a moderate vacuum, on an industrial scale.
>
> How low does the temp in the moon's ice craters
> have to be that no sublimation takes place and
> keeps the ice stored there for eons?
>
> Is the moon-ice observation confirmed by
> the phase diagram of water? -- Check it out.
>

Brad wrote:
Supposedly it gets down to 37 K, but a little earthshine
IR heated from time to time, means there's not likely
any plain old water-ice on the surface of our physically
dark moon.
>

hanson wrote:
So, what does the phase diagram of water say?

[Abhi]

On Jun 2, 4:08 am, Wretch Fossil <wretchfos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> NASA and Wikipedia claim Apollo moon rocks are “completely lacking in
> hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks” (Ref. 1). The claim is
> disproved by the news report entitled “Soviet find of water on the

> Moon in the 1970s ignored by the West ” athttp://phys.org/news/2012-06-soviet-moon-1970s-west.html

> So, the Apollo moon rocks are not from the Moon and Moon Hoax is
> proven.
>

> Ref. 1:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rockQuote: “ Almost all

> lunar rocks are depleted in volatiles and are completely lacking in
> hydrated minerals common in Earth rocks.”
>

> Read more athttp://wretchfossil.blogspot.com/p/major-messages-from-wretch-fossil_...

Good. Now I can swim in swimming pool on moon.

[Hop]

On Jun 2, 6:59 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:

>
> The Soviets looked in craters that have never been exposed to the sun.
>

Luna 24 was about 12 degrees latitude, not far from the equator.

Of course Wretched Fossil's claim is absurd, but some of the rebuttals
are nearly as poorly informed as he is.

[Brad Guth]

On Jun 3, 9:38 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

Go right ahead, and you tell us.

At that hard vacuum and with the secondary plus occasional earthshine
IR warming it up to 50+ K, it should have totally vaporized or
sublimed as of a billion years ago.

You do realize that we still have no objective ice science for the
hard vacuum of 1 AU space.

Where's the objective science?

[hanson]

"Brad Guth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:

- "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
>
"Sam Wormley" <sworml...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's Official: Water Found on the Moon
<http://www.space.com/7328-official-water-moon.html>
<http://news.discovery.com/space/moon-water-lcross-crater.html>

___ Water ice in shadowed lunar craters___.

>
hanson wrote:
But there is sublimation from ice to H20-gas,
even without a vacuum that exists on the moon.
Right here on earth we carry out freeze-drying
in a moderate vacuum, on an industrial scale.
>
How low does the temp in the moon's ice craters
have to be that no sublimation takes place and
keeps the ice stored there for eons?
>
Is the moon-ice observation confirmed by
the phase diagram of water? -- Check it out.
>
Brad wrote:
Supposedly it gets down to 37 K, but a little earthshine
IR heated from time to time, means there's not likely
any plain old water-ice on the surface of our physically
dark moon.
>
hanson wrote:
So, what does the phase diagram of water say?

Brad wrote:
Go right ahead, and you tell us.
At that hard vacuum and with the secondary plus occasional
earthshine IR warming it up to 50+ K, it should have totally
vaporized or sublimed as of a billion years ago.
You do realize that we still have no objective ice science
for the hard vacuum of 1 AU space.
Where's the objective science?
>

hanson wrote:
Sheesh! For crying out loud, don't weasel now, Brad.
>
Look up the ____ phase diagram of water________!
You'll see 2 benefits for yourself & your emotional tripe:
>
(a) Either the H2O-PhDia confirms what you feel, and
you can make a big deal about it or even better ...
>
(b) you can make a cogent case that the popular century
old H2O-PhDia is wrong or at least incomplete.
>
Have at it, Brad, before some else does it for you &
steals your thunder. This is a rare win-win situation
for you. Don't blow it, Brad.
hanson

[Brad Guth]

On Jun 4, 6:58 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

Thanks for the moral and intellectual/scientific support. However,
for years I've argued that naked water ice as being highly unlikely,
especially since the moon supposedly used to be a molten ball of
basalt and metals that should have provided damn little if any
unvaporized water to start with. This is not to say that within and
especially under that thick and fused basalt crust isn't any hope of
finding geode pockets and/or layers of brines that could still exist.

Icy comets encountering our moon would have totally vaporized each and
every cm3 of whatever delivered ice, unless they somehow soft-landed
in the dark. There's just not sufficient gravity nor any protective
atmosphere to have held onto whatever comet derived ice, and still no
direct vapors from any hidden ice.

Unlike our half freeze dried plus half worse than boiled to death
naked moon of such a crystal hard vacuum that's devoid of any surface
ice, those Venus clouds have a great deal of carbonated and/or acidic
water plus having cloud crystals of ice by night.

“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314

[hanson]

Brad wrote:
Thanks for the moral and intellectual/scientific support. However,
for years I've argued that naked water ice as being highly unlikely,
especially since the moon supposedly used to be a molten ball of
basalt and metals that should have provided damn little if any
unvaporized water to start with. This is not to say that within and
especially under that thick and fused basalt crust isn't any hope of
finding geode pockets and/or layers of brines that could still exist.

Icy comets encountering our moon would have totally vaporized each and
every cm3 of whatever delivered ice, unless they somehow soft-landed
in the dark. There's just not sufficient gravity nor any protective
atmosphere to have held onto whatever comet derived ice, and still no
direct vapors from any hidden ice.

Unlike our half freeze dried plus half worse than boiled to death
naked moon of such a crystal hard vacuum that's devoid of any surface
ice, those Venus clouds have a great deal of carbonated and/or acidic
water plus having cloud crystals of ice by night.

“Guth Venus” 1:1, plus 10x resample/enlargement of the area in
question:
<https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow/5629579402364691314>
>

hanson wrote:
Brad, you are not gonna sell your notion with your
belletristics. The enlargement in your link above
means and says nothing.
>
Here is why: Whether you look at some white
deposit from 20 yards or 2" or your enlargement
will not tell you whether it's white Chalk, Gypsum,
Silica, BaSO4, SrSO4 or Ice or mixtures thereof.
>
If you wanted to use magnification as a tool for
the identification, you need to enlarge it so big
that you can make out the minutes structure type
& classification of its individual crystals.
That ID systems requires magnifications of
several 100 times if not many thousand times
(electron microscopy).
>
Another way of Tele-identifying stuff is by using
different light sources, like Black light/UV as is
used to ID scorpions or gem-stones at night
in the desert. This principle of photographing the
light reflection of the moon ice with different
filter was used to "identify" the moon ice.
You have no access to such a procedure.
>
So, for you verify what "they" have claimed you
need to go to a procedure that you have access
to and such a method is for instance the phase
type diagrams for Ice. This will tell you, not how
YOU guessed, but in their own terms whether they
could be correct in their guesses / assessment.
>
Here are some random links I picked for you from google.
Check one vs. the other. See whether there are faulty
misleading or missing staments in the diagrams, etc...
>
<http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/viewobject.aspx?id=gch6304>
<http://ergodic.ugr.es/termo/lecciones/water1.html>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water.svg>
<http://www.cmmp.ucl.ac.uk/people/finney/soi.html>
When you check the above 4 links you will see that you
have alreay cause to throw rocks at them. Show why!
>
Now also look at & compare the sloppy work done in here:
http://www.iceandclimate.nbi.ku.dk/research/other/ice_other_planets/ice_on_mars/no_liquid_water/

Have fun with that, dig deeper and then make your case
for (a) &/or (b). If you are successful in showing it that
way, then you can even claim that your OWN type/way &
method of investigation can beat the official published tripe.
>
Good luck, have fun and take care, Brad

hanson

[Brad Guth]

On Jun 6, 12:14 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

> <https://picasaweb.google.com/102736204560337818634/BradGuth#slideshow...>

> Now also look at & compare the sloppy work done in here:http://www.iceandclimate.nbi.ku.dk/research/other/ice_other_planets/i...

>
> Have fun with that, dig deeper and then make your case
> for (a) &/or  (b). If you are successful in showing it that
> way, then you can even claim that your OWN type/way &
> method of investigation can beat the official published tripe.
>
> Good luck, have fun and take care, Brad
>
> hanson

Thanks again. I'll give it a shot.

[Brad Guth]

As long as that Olympic class swimming pool is inside of a TBM created
tunnel with a good inflated airlock, shouldn't be any problems filling
that pool with water extracted from geode pockets plus that extracted
from the tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado crust of that moon.