Yay. *NOT* in trouble with ITAR!!!!
Scott Lowther
GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed on
my website
He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff.
Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
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Scott Lowther
>Good News! That was a real worry to Me, that Big Brother might be
>stepping on You!
>
>
That was a worry to *you?* Imagine how *I* felt about it...
But again: GD requests that you please not hate them. The
poster-shredding was not their fault.
Pat Flannery
Scott Lowther wrote:
> Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from
> GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed
> on my website
>
> He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff.
> Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
Hmm... sounds like the occult hand of the Illuminati again.
Last time it was that same guy saying that all imported bras must be
immediately confiscated under the Patriot Act, as they might be made out
of woven plastic explosives. :-)
Pat
Pat Flannery
Scott Lowther wrote:
>
> But again: GD requests that you please not hate them. The
> poster-shredding was not their fault.
They should still have to replace the posters.
Pat
Eric Chomko
I dunno. I think the guy complaining didn't want Scott turning a buck
on stuff that should be free. Hacker (in the orginal sense, not the
media's misnomer for 'cracker') ethic, freeware, GNU, open source,
that sort of thing, but for space. If he were giving this away, then
maybe he would not have been approached by a corporation for violating
a government restriction. One wonders...
Eric
>
> Pat
BradGuth
Why of course our Jewish Third Reich "Saturn V" is entirely hocus
pocus ITAR worthy.
After all, with a mere 60:1 rocket per payload ratio, as well as for
having a nearly 30% inert GLOW to start off with, never the less
somehow that big sucker managed via hocus-pocus smoke and mirrors in
order to so quickly get our rad-hard and electrostatic dust proof
Apollo missions off to such an impressive fly-by-rocket start.
Apparently those brave rad-hard astronauts of ours consumed mass
quantities of beans and subsequently utilized their flatulence for the
necessary 4th stage thrusting, as well as for getting safely back
home. If that's not fully ITAR rated, then perhaps nothing is.
Why don't you try posting the all-inclusive hard facts about such
those impressive fly-by-rocket specs of that nifty Saturn V, and show
us how those ITAR rated Jewish Third Reich laws of physics are simply
way superior to anything else on Earth, even still as of today being
at least twice if not nearly three fold better.
- Brad Guth
Scott Ferrin
<pne.c...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Jul 30, 1:28 pm, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote:
>> Scott Lowther wrote:
>> > Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from
>> > GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed
>> > on my website
>>
>> > He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff.
>> > Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
>>
>> Hmm... sounds like the occult hand of the Illuminati again.
>> Last time it was that same guy saying that all imported bras must be
>> immediately confiscated under the Patriot Act, as they might be made out
>> of woven plastic explosives. :-)
>
>I dunno. I think the guy complaining didn't want Scott turning a buck
>on stuff that should be free.
why should he have to give away for free the stuff he spent time and
money to track down? If you want it for free go track it down
yourself.
Scott Lowther
>why should he have to give away for free the stuff he spent time and
>money to track down? If you want it for free go track it down
>yourself.
>
>
Well said. It's like paying for bottled water: the stuff falls out of
the sky just about everywhere... but people still pay for the
convenience. With *some* of my stuff, that's what you're paying for...
convenience. It'd be a better use of your resources to pay me $6 than to
spend twelve hours online trying to dig it out. But *most* of my stuff
goes well beyond convenience. Some of the Saturn drawings, for example,
I could tell you exactly how to get: all you need to do is hop a
jetliner, fly across country (or across oceans, depending on where you
are), gain access to such and such archive or special collections
repository, and spend a day or two trying to make heads or tails of a
poorly constructed indexing system that seems to miss important details
or files things under the wrong name or doesn;t have things listed at
all. In that case, six bucks trumps the thousand or so and several
man-days you'd otherwise have to spend.
Trust me, I've considered simply offering up a bunch of interesting NTRS
PDF files. That'd be *easy.* But it'd also be kinda... I dunno. Seems
sleazy. So far, only one of mine comes from NTRS, and that's because the
drawings in the online version suck, while I managed to get hold of a
*real* copy and make far superior scans from. So the report is there for
the text, the scans are there for the drawings.
OM
<scottl...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
>Trust me, I've considered simply offering up a bunch of interesting NTRS
>PDF files. That'd be *easy.* But it'd also be kinda... I dunno. Seems
>sleazy. So far, only one of mine comes from NTRS, and that's because the
>drawings in the online version suck, while I managed to get hold of a
>*real* copy and make far superior scans from. So the report is there for
>the text, the scans are there for the drawings.
...I have a challenge for you, then: drawings related to ASTP,
although I suspect that everyone here would rather you do El Kabong I
and the landing gear first :-P
OM
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Eric Chomko
Yes and no.
Sure his prices are reasonable and I meant this more as a friendly jab
than a serious post. But there is such stuff as volunteering and doing
something for free just because. Again, no insinuation or disrespect
for Scott because his prices are reasonable.
Eric
Scott Lowther
>Sure his prices are reasonable and I meant this more as a friendly jab
>than a serious post. But there is such stuff as volunteering and doing
>something for free just because.
>
Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that
it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just because?" Or
do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food bills, gas money,
etc.?
No matter what any person does for a living, there are reasonable
chances that the people who pay for that service could do it themselves.
Plumbers, electricians, to a degree doctors and dentists, bankers, you
name it. But people are willing to pay some amount for the *convenience*
of not having to learn how to remove their own impacted wisdom teeth or
fill out their own income tax paperwork.
When I no longer have to worry about money - sure, annnnny day now -
then I'll give serious considerations to dumping everything I've
collected onto DVD's and selling for cost of materials plus postage.
Ain't there yet. If you want to see that day come, collect for me about
$2,000,000. I figure one million reasonably invested would let me be set
for life... and since Uncle Sam taxes half of everything away, you need
to double it. So... pony up! Think of it as an investment in the future.
For The Children.
BradGuth
Apparently those hocus-pocus conditional laws of Yiddish physics and
of their otherwise accommodating as much evidence exclusion as
possible, are still fully in charge of this topic's private parts.
A nearly 30% inert GLOW, having a mere 60:1 ratio of rocket per
payload that supposedly accomplished our moon isn't the least bit of
any fly-by-rocket problem for this Yiddish group of Usenet
rusemasters.
Is it possible that our best physics and science has actually become
that disfunctional?
- Brad Guth
Pat Flannery
Scott Lowther wrote:
>
> Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think
> that it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just
> because?" Or do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food
> bills, gas money, etc.?
Cat food, cat toys... :-D
Pat
OM
<scottl...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
>Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that
>it has at least *some* value to society.
...Well, if Chumpko believes giving hand jobs to homeless guys for
free is benefitting society, more power to him, I guess.
Scott Lowther
\Move out to the country. Snakes, grasshoppers and mice serve admirably
as both.
Pat Flannery
Scott Lowther wrote:
>
>
> \Move out to the country. Snakes, grasshoppers and mice serve
> admirably as both.
It's got its downside; my friend's farm had a free-range feral cat
population on it that averaged around seven to twelve in number at any
given time.
And then came the day when his dad got attacked by the rabid cat which
tried to tear his face off while he was up on a ladder.
Feral cat population got reduced to zero very shortly after that via
firearms.
Pat
Jeff Findley
"Pat Flannery" <fla...@daktel.com> wrote in message
news:13b039c...@corp.supernews.com...
> It's got its downside; my friend's farm had a free-range feral cat
> population on it that averaged around seven to twelve in number at any
> given time.
> And then came the day when his dad got attacked by the rabid cat which
> tried to tear his face off while he was up on a ladder.
> Feral cat population got reduced to zero very shortly after that via
> firearms.
Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only
way to be sure.
Jeff
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Pat Flannery
Jeff Findley wrote:
>
> Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only
> way to be sure.
>
>
Good sized farm; tracking them all down must have been tough.
It probably got the rabies from a skunk; they are major carriers of it,
and quite common around here.
Pat
David Smith
> Just got off the phone with the Export Control compliance guy from
> GD/NASA-KSC. There is *not* an ITAR issue with the stuff I've listed on my
> website
>
> He also pointed out that GD is *not* trying to censor Saturn V stuff.
> Whoever did that previously, it is NOT General Dynamics.
Amen, Glory to GD in the highest, and on earth, Peace.
Not that GD has been big on that in the past.
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Eric Chomko
<scottlowt...@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
> Eric Chomko wrote:
> >Sure his prices are reasonable and I meant this more as a friendly jab
> >than a serious post. But there is such stuff as volunteering and doing
> >something for free just because.
>
> Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that
> it has at least *some* value to society. Do you do it "just because?" Or
> do you like being able to pay your rent/mortgage, food bills, gas money,
> etc.?
You putting infor on a CD or DVD is not your day job. Right?
>
> No matter what any person does for a living, there are reasonable
> chances that the people who pay for that service could do it themselves.
> Plumbers, electricians, to a degree doctors and dentists, bankers, you
> name it. But people are willing to pay some amount for the *convenience*
> of not having to learn how to remove their own impacted wisdom teeth or
> fill out their own income tax paperwork.
I agree. I was not implying that you should put stuff on a DVD for
free. Only that there are those that do stuff like that for free.
>
> When I no longer have to worry about money - sure, annnnny day now -
> then I'll give serious considerations to dumping everything I've
> collected onto DVD's and selling for cost of materials plus postage.
Or hosting it on a website. Like GNU, freeware and the like.
> Ain't there yet. If you want to see that day come, collect for me about
> $2,000,000. I figure one million reasonably invested would let me be set
> for life... and since Uncle Sam taxes half of everything away, you need
> to double it. So... pony up! Think of it as an investment in the future.
> For The Children.
Sorry, I don't care about space drawings that much.
Eric Chomko
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:15:03 GMT, Scott Lowther
>
> >Well, consider this: whatever your Day Job is, I presume you think that
> >it has at least *some* value to society.
>
> ...Well, if Chumpko believes giving hand jobs to homeless guys for
> free is benefitting society, more power to him, I guess.
I wondered how you got the stuff for your blog site. Now I know...
Still brown-nosing astronauts for space memorbilia, OM?
Oh, and in case one didn't notice, all the trouble out of NASA seems
to be coming from Texas. Imagine that.
>
> OM
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David Smith
Prairie dogs are bad that way, too; back when I was stationed in
Albuquerque, they warned us about that.
Darn good eatin', though. Taste like chicken. (grin)
Pat Flannery
David Smith wrote:
> Prairie dogs are bad that way, too; back when I was stationed in
> Albuquerque, they warned us about that.
>
> Darn good eatin', though. Taste like chicken.
>
We don't have many of them around here; when I was a kid we went to a
prairie dog town where they charged admission and gave you food to throw
to them.
The creatures looked like semi-mobile beanbags from overeating and lethargy.
As soon as they stuck their heads out of their burrows, they were
half-buried in corn kernels, peanuts, and the occasional candy bar.
I assume this was one of the few habitation places for the species where
the major cause of mortality was heart attacks, not predation. ;-)
Pat