Venus Express sees down to the Hell-hot surface
mike flugennock
Paging Mr. Guth, Mr. Brad Guth. Please pick up the Venusian Surface Clue
Phone...
...oops, damn. Too late. The Venusian Surface Clue Phone has just been
converted to a molten slag pancake.
--
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"Though I could not caution all, I yet may warn a few:
Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools!"
--grateful dead.
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Mike Flugennock, flugennock at sinkers dot org
"Mikey'zine": dubya dubya dubya dot sinkers dot org
Brad Guth
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>Paging Mr. Guth, Mr. Brad Guth. Please pick up the Venusian Surface
>Clue Phone...
>...oops, damn. Too late. The Venusian Surface Clue Phone has just
>been converted to a molten slag pancake.
You've just got my undivided attention, as to the matter of the newish
planetology of Venus (specifically of the observed nighttime season)
being so damn hot and nasty, just as it should be if your butt were
residing upon an active lava or mud flow of whatever's molten plastic,
because the geothermal surface is so freaking active and thus
unavoidably hot in such places.
However, those 433°C locations seem a wee bit interesting, to say the
least.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/Science/VenusExpress/1a_VIRTIS_TMap_labeled_e.jpg
Gee whiz, mike flugennock, I wonder why most all of our regular laws of
physics can not be applied as to robotics, and even much less on behalf
of village idiots like yourself surviving there. It must be because
there's simply too much local green/renewable energy to spare.
Of course, climbing yourself above that nighttime surface, as though
efficiently cruising along in a composite rigid-airship, it's getting
cooler yet by nearly 10 K/km. That is unless you are simply hell bent
upon cruising over an active gas vent or perhaps some nasty volcano,
which Venus (being considerably less old than Earth) has more than it's
fair share of such geothermal considerations.
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little extra secondary IR/FIR toasty hot by day, although it's starting
to look a whole lot better off for Venus that's still a touch hotter
than our moon, and that's even going by the somewhat cooler season of
nighttime, as eventually getting reported by the Venus EXPRESS mission.
This latest round and somewhat belated contribution, from the absolute
glacial moving VIRTIS team of scientific snails (slowest possible
science in town), isn't the sort of proof-positive that we can go
running ourselves about butt-naked on even a few elevated places on
Venus, but it is suggesting that not all of Venus is summarily roasting
itself to death from the top down, as having been insisted upon by all
of our Old Testament thumping wizards of having hyped whatever's
MI6/NSA/CIA/KGB~NASA scripted.
Subject: Venus Express sees down to the Hell-hot surface
"mike flugennock" <flvg3...@stinkers.org> wrote in message
news:7b591$45818e28$4366619c$20...@msgid.meganewsservers.com
>Paging Mr. Guth, Mr. Brad Guth. Please pick up the Venusian Surface
>Clue Phone...
>...oops, damn. Too late. The Venusian Surface Clue Phone has just
>been converted to a molten slag pancake.
Without question, you've just got my undivided attention, as to the
matter of the newish planetology of Venus (specifically of the observed
nighttime season) being so damn hot and nasty, just as it should be if
your butt were residing upon an active lava or mud flow of whatever's
molten plastic, because the geothermal surface is so freaking active and
thus unavoidably hot in such places.
Apparentlty, according to this extremely low resolution "VIRTIS
temperature map", the supposed "Hell-hot surface" of Venus is not
keeping up with the infomercial spewing demands of folks here snookering
one another, if need be to death, and than some.
However, those 453°C locations seem a wee bit interesting, to say the
least.
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/Science/VenusExpress/1a_VIRTIS_TMap_labeled_e.jpg
First off, sorry for my initial bad reading of the low temperature end
being 433°C instead of the correct 453°C. However, even the red
indications of 473°C is offering a good 16°C less thermal impact than
I'd expected of those hot spots, such as those areas depicted in white
that are not yet thermally specified could be seriously nasty.
Brad Guth
than what in hell to do with all of the spare and 100% renewable energy.
If you're at all interested in the truth and nothing but the truth,
here's the isolated topic:
"There's wind derived energy, and then there's Venus:"
http://mygate.mailgate.org/mynews/sci/sci.energy/d36c147d20a233f602fd23d9ee5afe73.49644%40mygate.mailgate.org?order=smart&p=1/256
Once again, there's absolutely nothing technically insurmountable about
Venus, other than what in hell to do with all of the spare and 100%
renewable energy.
Brad Guth
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Silly boys and clowns of Usenet,
Why bother with the ongoing ruse, or otherwise with the daunting and
nearly insurmountable task of having to terraform Venus, when it's
simply more than good enough as is?
Venusian Composite Rigid Airship: so what's the big insurmountable
deal?
Why the hell not invest the necessary R&D into creating a viable
composite rigid airship (hybrid Skylon or fat waverider spaceplane), on
behalf of our doing Venus?
It's not even all that hocus-pocus or having to involve the pesky likes
of all those NASA/Apollo smoke and mirrors, instead it's simply doable
within the regular laws of physics as is. The actual rigid airship as a
Venusian atmospheric probe that'll function rather nicely below their
nighttime season of clouds needn't be manned, and therefore needn't be
all that large.
Unlike most other planets, or even moons that we know of, Venus is just
getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and otherwise Mars
DNA has long been kicked, nicely cosmic zapped and then rather nicely
freeze dried to death.
The composite rigid airship as efficiently operating within the highly
buoyant Venusian environment can at least accommodate intelligent other
life in more viable ways than it's being given credit for. There has
even been good enough pictures of what's been doable by others. Yet lo
and behold, Venus remains as the most nearby and absolute most
accessible taboo/nondisclosure other orb in our solar system, that's
none the less easier and much safer than doing our moon.
Unlike our nearly frozen solid to the very core of that silly old Mars,
that's also representing an environment that's worthy of getting
yourself cosmic TBI and otherwise rather easily pulverised to death
while on that nearly naked surface, whereas on the relatively newish and
evolving planetology of Venus there's hardly any cosmic or nasty forms
of solar energy that's DNA lethal getting through all of that thick soup
of atmosphere, nor is there hardly any need of your having to dig in in
order to find more than your fair share of geothermal or terrific gas
vent issues that can be put directly to the task of extracting renewable
energy on the spot.
The vertical atmospheric thick soup of such nifty pressure and thermal
differential factors alone are clearly by themselves more than
sufficient means to sustain most any mere halfwit intelligent form of
life. That is unless you are one of these warm and fuzzy naysay Usenet
village idiots, in which case absolutely nothing is possible in the
past, present or future, so why bother.
The ongoing devoid or rather ongoing topic/author banishment of such
viable energy related ideas or even honest swags of viable
considerations from this anti-think-tank of our status quo or bust
naysay Usenet land, that's having been really good at their typically
sucking and blowing worth of infomercial crapolla spewing on behalf of
all things government and big-energy, is simply further proof-positive
that such renewable energy while on Venusian deck has been doable.
Venus is in fact a hot place, though actually it's not all that nasty of
an environment. But so what if it's hot, as long as you've got such
access to and having the sufficient smarts on behalf of utilizing the
vast amounts of renewable energy that's already there to behold?
Just because a given planet or moon is a little too hot, too cold or
even too wet for our naked bodies or physiological grasp, doesn't in of
itself mean that it's 100+% taboo. Escaping the lethal forms of cosmic
and solar radiation seems by far more of a life essential important
issue, and secondly avoiding whatever's physically incoming seems like
yet another win-win for the old gipper, especially if it's having to do
with avoiding getting seriously smacked in the butt by way of something
that has your name on it.
Venus simply couldn't possibly be any more newish, alive and kicking on
the various doors of accommodating other life, especially on behalf of
rather easily accommodating intelligent other life that's merely
visiting, possibly even of a few locally evolved species isn't outside
of this toasty Venusian box. Although, I suppose if there's lots of
cosmic radiated and otherwise meteorite pulverised dry-ice, plus
whatever remains of that sub-frozen regular old Mars ice that's perhaps
near solid to the very icy dead (older than Earth) core of Mars is still
somehow life worthy, then so be it.
These pro-Mars folks should simply impress us, as in knocking our socks
off, if they can. I'm absolutely certain that as of millions of years
ago Mars could have had a touch of life to spare, and back a good
billion some odd years even better odds yet for having sustained sizable
(larger than rad-hard microbe) forms of such other local life
(intelligent being yet to be proven unless merely visiting).
On the other real and honest hands of utilizing those regular laws of
physics, as such there is absolutely nothing that's so insurmountable
about Venus. Thinking otherwise is only the proof-positive as to how
terribly snookered and dumbfounded past the mindset point of no return
you have become.
BTW; if the absolutely bleak realm of that Mars of today has any
remainders of life to behold, then upon our own pesky moon that's still
more than a touch salty is absolutely loaded to the gills, with it's
local and cosmic DNA morgue worth of nifty spores, and you name it.
BTW No.2; ESA's already at Venus, Russia is going back there next:
where's ours?
Eric Chomko
So the Russian Venera landers in the 70s and 80s were all made of paper
and plastic and that is why they were destroyed in a matter of a few
hours?
You making Venus sound like a piece of cake makes me think of a SCUBA
diver diving into the Marianas Trench and coming back alive and intact.
What good is renewable energy that is 26 million miles away?
Eric
Brad Guth
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> So the Russian Venera landers in the 70s and 80s were all made of paper
> and plastic and that is why they were destroyed in a matter of a few
> hours?
Silly boy. Are we having another touch of your going Usenet postal?
> You making Venus sound like a piece of cake makes me think of a SCUBA
> diver diving into the Marianas Trench and coming back alive and intact.
I said nothing about Venus being cake like easy, especially not the
least bit easy for the snookered and thereby dumbfounded mindset that's
chuck full of naysayism. It's simply doable within existing means.
> What good is renewable energy that is 26 million miles away?
What the freaking hell are you talking about "26 million miles away"?
Venus energy is not only 100% renewable, but it's also 100% local, as an
existing energy cache in plain sight, or otherwise all around and/or
right under your two left feet.
How many spare mega or gigajoules per soul would you like to have at
your disposal?
Besides, what would you do with 100 kj worth of 100% renewable energy?
(if I were you, I wouldn't start a fire)
Brad Guth
Why is mailgate/Usenet not updating these topic index pages, and why
isn't GOOGLE/Usenet picking up their fair share of the slack?
Why doesn't the public get to see and read whatever you and I get to see
and read?
Brad Guth
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Because you're all acting as though Venus is taboo and otherwise you're
all so clearly mainstream snookered and thus easily dumbfounded by way
of all of this; Here's some old news you can all use to blow your
status quo brown nose with.
Earth has been getting rid of roughly 25+ millijoules/m2, with a surface
area of 5.112e14 m2, in that supposedly this represents a sustained
minimum/conservative core loss of 13e12 joules. I tend to believe it's
worth at least for times that amount, but that's just my ongoing village
idiot swag of deductive thinking a little outside the box. As what the
hell would we ever do with 52 terajoules worth of essentially renewable
and clean energy?
Venus at 2625 ~ 2650 j/m2 of average solar influx
Surface area: 4.6e14 m2
Mass: 4.87x1024 kg
Density: 5.24 g/cm3
Local gravity: 8.87 m/s2
Escape velocity: 10.3 km/s
Albedo: 0.75 ~ 0.85
Just for another lose cannon worthy example; At an average surface
geothermal radiant heat loss of 10 j/m2 = 4.6e15 joules of available
core energy would have to exist. By way of any planetology standards,
that's absolutely impressive at even 10% that amount.
Fortunately, according to the existing and ongoing research of others
(including the virtis / venus express mission), the Venusian
influx/radiative energy balance has been running at a measured loss,
which I believe has been a good thing to know and appreciate as to why
Venus is gradually getting itself cooler by each extremely long
daytime/nighttime season.
Energy flux absorbed by the Earth = 1370 x (1-0.3) / 4 = 239.7 W/m2
Energy flux absorbed by the Venus = 2650 x (1-0.8) / 4 = 132.5 W/m2
(a nifty looking document, but slower than hell if not impossible to
load)
http://planetologia.elte.hu/atlasz/6microenvironments.pdf
A whole lot better though incomplete cache of info, and of what there is
to behold is somewhat NASA and/or Old Testament skewed in order to suit
their 'Earth only' mindset as to intelligent life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Venera13Surface.jpg
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002Q4/211/notes_greenhouse.html
"Even though Venus receives more solar energy than the Earth is, its
effective temperature is colder. This is due to the high albedo on
Venus (0.8): 80% of solar radiation is reflected to space and only 20%
is absorbed by the surface."
Actually it's getting primarily absorbed and rather nicely transferred
about by that extremely thick atmosphere of mostly dry CO2 and a few
hundred spare teratonnes worth of acidic clouds, and otherwise the solar
influx is extensively blocked by the robust composite layer of S8, and
damn little (perhaps 0.015% of 2650 j/m2) ever directly reaches the
surface by means much other than atmospheric conductive/convection.
On a clear and sunny terrestrial day that's right here on good mother
Earth, we're looking at better than 800 j/m2 that's impacting our deck,
and that's roughly 59~60% of the total solar influx which manages to
contain nearly all of the incoming IR spectrum, and that's not to
mention the secondary/recoil worth of what's unavoidably derived from
our extremely large and nearby moon's worth of IR/FIR, nor anything
tidal related as forced by the 2e20 joules of the ongoing orbital
existence of our having that pesky moon to deal with. Now that's what
I'd call greenhouse warming potential that's nailing us from the top
down, especially effective as our soot and various complex gas
byproducts pollute damn near every atmospheric and terra m3 in sight,
and then some.
In other words, Venus on its far outside is cooler than Earth's thin
atmospheric realm (especially by way of their extended season of
nighttime), though upon average roughly 132 j/m2 of solar influx gets
absorbed by the entire global environment of Venus (mostly accommodated
within its robust atmosphere that otherwise reflects ~80%. It's all
pretty much the killer geothermal surface that we have to worry about if
we're ever planing to walk upon that toasty orb, especially in many
locations of active lava, mud/plastic flows of raw minerals or worse yet
if near or situated upon any of those pesky geothermal forced S8/CO2 gas
vents that should by rights be literally hotter than hell, and going
like a bat out of hell.
Of course, so much unlike our wet environment with its relatively clear
and thus solar transparent atmospheric realm of Earth, whereas so much
of the solar IR influx directly reaches our surface, as opposed to the
Venus surface environment being rather well shielded by the fully
clouded atmosphere that also includes a substantial reflective internal
boundary layer of thermal and IR spectrum isolating S8, whereas the
actual solar influx reaching the surface via direct sunlight is thereby
extensively IR filtered/moderated long before reaching the surface, and
otherwise the visual spectrum isn't hardly worth 39 j/m2 at high noon
(the average at something less) while obviously on the sunny side, and
to be certain that hardly anything of that's going to be of IR.
This leaves us with all of those Venusian boat loads of geothermal
energy that's primarily responsible for the vast bulk of why it's so
freaking toasty on that newish planetology active deck. Of course in
physics that's a darn good thing because, via those regular laws of
physics is where all sorts of nifty alternatives for extracting such
renewable energy while you're sequestered upon Venus becomes doable,
making it entirely possible to sustain as much ice cold beer and even a
few indoor ice skating rinks if you'd like.
Too bad this anti-think-tank of our status quo Usenet from the one and
only actual hell on Earth, that for some pathetic reason(s) can't manage
to pull its infomercial spewing butt-cheek brains out of the nearest
space-toilet, especially if it's having anything to do with Venus, much
less with our very own physically dark and nearby orbiting mascon and
otherwise GW worthy moon.