Who's "Roger"?
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Who's "Roger"?
Ken
Julian
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Julian
Melbourne, Australia
Netcom News <kgl...@netcom.ca> wrote in article
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Julian Bordas
Julian
Williamstown (near Melbourne ) Aus
Julian wrote:
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The problem with paradigms is that shift happens
Ben Howard
Netcom News wrote in message ...
>I've read many a manned-spaceflight transcript, and have just one question:
>
>Who's "Roger"?
>
What's the clearance, Clarence?
What's your vector, Victor?
...looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.
Tony Smith
"Netcom News" <kgl...@netcom.ca> wrote:
> I've read many a manned-spaceflight transcript, and have just one
question:
>
> Who's "Roger"?
>
>
>
Roger Gorsky
:-))
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Dave Michelson
>
> I've read many a manned-spaceflight transcript, and have just one question:
>
> Who's "Roger"?
Let's assume that you really are curious about why "Roger" is used to
indicate "Message Received".
In the days of CW, operators acknowledged a transmission with the morse
character "R" (meaning "Yes, message received").
When voice procedure was developed, the powers that be opted to
substitute the phonetic equivalent of R in the then-current military
phonetic alphabet. (Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, Easy,...) So, rather
than say "Yes, message received" (which might be difficult to make out
on a distorted, noisy, fading channel), the operator would simply say
"Roger".
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Dave Michelson /\\
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ASEED
"Roger". >>
why not use Romeo then?
Brian Thorn
wrote:
>I've read many a manned-spaceflight transcript, and have just one question:
>
>Who's "Roger"?
An astronaut named Major Healey. He flew several space missions with a
Major Tony Nelson...
Brian
jat...@ecn.ab.ca
: << he operator would simply say
: "Roger". >>
: why not use Romeo then?
And if someone doesn't respond, does the transmission take a Shakespearean
bent? I can imagine the following: "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou,
Romeo?"
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Henry Spencer
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><< he operator would simply say
>"Roger". >>
>
>why not use Romeo then?
Because there have been a number of different phonetic alphabets in use
over time, and the one most used when this became common practice had
"Roger" for R, and it's now become an accepted practice independent of
the choice of phonetic alphabet.
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Ken Glover
Dave Michelson <dmich...@ieee.org> wrote in message ...
[snip]
>...So, rather
> than say "Yes, message received" (which might be difficult to make
out
say
> "Roger".
Many thanks for the excellent explanation, Dave.
Now I'll be able to sleep at night again. :-)
Ken
John Percy Kerslake
Dave Michelson wrote:
>
> Netcom News wrote:
> >
> > I've read many a manned-spaceflight transcript, and have just one question:
> >
> > Who's "Roger"?
>
> Let's assume that you really are curious about why "Roger" is used to
> indicate "Message Received".
>
> In the days of CW, operators acknowledged a transmission with the morse
> character "R" (meaning "Yes, message received").
>
> When voice procedure was developed, the powers that be opted to
> substitute the phonetic equivalent of R in the then-current military
> phonetic alphabet. (Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, Easy,...) So, rather
> than say "Yes, message received" (which might be difficult to make out
> on a distorted, noisy, fading channel), the operator would simply say
> "Roger".
>
> -- -o)
> Dave Michelson /\\
> dmich...@ieee.org _\_v
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Ben Howard
ASEED wrote in message <19991119091855...@ng-fy1.aol.com>...
><< he operator would simply say
>"Roger". >>
>
2 syllables versus 3, and the use of "Romeo" came about later...
Brian Thorn
wrote:
>> >Who's "Roger"?
>>
>> An astronaut named Major Healey. He flew several space missions with a
>> Major Tony Nelson...
>right, and Barbara Feldon pilotted the CM
Sorry about that Chief, but it was Barbara Eden in the CM...
Brian
>- Peter
>
Peter Smith
Brian Thorn <bth...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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>
> >I've read many a manned-spaceflight transcript, and have just one
question:
> >
>
> An astronaut named Major Healey. He flew several space missions with a
> Major Tony Nelson...
>
right, and Barbara Feldon pilotted the CM
- Peter
Michael J. Gallagher
wrote:
>Sorry about that Chief, but it was Barbara Eden in the CM...
>
Wasn't that the mission where there was some confusion over whether
they were heading to the Moon or _Mars?_ I forgot how that navigation
problem was resolved. :) :) :)
Miko O'Sullivan
>
> In the days of CW, operators acknowledged a transmission with the morse
> character "R" (meaning "Yes, message received").
Pardon my lack of aviational knowledge... what was/is CW? Was the R for
"received"?
-miko
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Dave Michelson
>
> Dave Michelson wrote:
> >
> > In the days of CW, operators acknowledged a transmission with the morse
> > character "R" (meaning "Yes, message received").
>
> Pardon my lack of aviational knowledge... what was/is CW? Was the R for
> "received"?
CW = Continuous Wave = Emission type A1 = Wireless Telegraphy = Morse
Code
Yes, R was short for Received. K was short for Over. AS (run together)
was short for Wait. DE was short for From. And so on.
Peter Smith
> >>
> >> An astronaut named Major Healey. He flew several space missions with a
> >> Major Tony Nelson...
>
>
... missed it by *that* much ...
>
> Brian
> >- Peter
> >
>
Henry Spencer
Miko O'Sullivan <mi...@mikodocs.com> wrote:
>> In the days of CW, operators acknowledged a transmission with the morse
>> character "R" (meaning "Yes, message received").
>
>Pardon my lack of aviational knowledge... what was/is CW?
Actually, it's your lack of radio knowledge. :-) CW is Continuous Wave,
which refers to sending information by switching an otherwise-unmodulated
radio signal on and off. The one major application of this modulation
method is for sending Morse Code -- in principle, you can send Morse using
other modulations, or send other codes using CW, but neither is common --
and so it's often used as shorthand to refer to Morse transmission. And
that's what the original poster was talking about: there is an extensive
set of Morse abbreviations, especially for procedural words and phrases,
used to speed things up and minimize the overhead of sending messages.
Roger Pierce
Miko O'Sullivan
>
> What's the clearance, Clarence?
>
> What's your vector, Victor?
So what to pilots named Roger think of "Roger"? If I had a pilot friend
named Roger I would never tire of saying "Roger, Roger" (though I'm sure
he would).
Roger Balettie
> named Roger I would never tire of saying "Roger, Roger" (though I'm sure
> he would).
Working in the MCC for 12 years... I heard *my* share of "Roger, Roger"...
<g>
Roger... but, I bet you already guessed that was my name.
==============================
Roger Balettie
former Flight Dynamics Officer
Space Shuttle Mission Control
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Gordon Davie
Gordon Davie
.
> > On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 00:46:12 +1100, "Peter Smith"
<psm...@zip.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> >Who's "Roger"?
> > >>
> > >> An astronaut named Major Healey. He flew several space
> > >> missions with a Major Tony Nelson...
> >
> > >right, and Barbara Feldon pilotted the CM
> >
> > Sorry about that Chief, but it was Barbara Eden in the CM...
>
> ... missed it by *that* much ...
Oh, so you think you're Smart, do you?
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland
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"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...and touched the face of God."
Dave Michelson
>
> Roger Balettie wrote:
> >
> > Working in the MCC for 12 years... I heard *my* share of "Roger, Roger"...
> > <g>
>
> up in some public place?
Alas, of all the folks in the MOCR, only the CapCom talks directly to
the crew (except under very unusual circumstances).
Miko O'Sullivan
>
> Working in the MCC for 12 years... I heard *my* share of "Roger, Roger"...
> <g>
COOL! Like from a Space Shuttle? Any way of putting a WAV file of that
up in some public place?
-miko
om
wrote:
>Sorry about that Chief, but it was Barbara Eden in the CM...
...Yeah, but if either of them were in the CM with *me*, I'd space the
other guy and see just how valid that text file about zero-gee sex
that was floating around a few years back really was :-P
OM
Steve Fairhead
> Yes, R was short for Received. K was short for Over. AS (run together)
> was short for Wait. DE was short for From. And so on.
Was there a french connection? "DE" could be "de" (from); "AS" could be
short for "attendez SVP" (wait please). "K" I have no idea about...!
Steve
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Dave Michelson
>
> > Yes, R was short for Received. K was short for Over. AS (run together)
> > was short for Wait. DE was short for From. And so on.
>
> Was there a french connection? "DE" could be "de" (from); "AS" could be
> short for "attendez SVP" (wait please). "K" I have no idea about...!
And "Mayday!" is actually "M'aidez!". (Assist me!)
I don't know the *exact* story, but it's probably relevant that the
headquarters for ITU (and its predecessors) is in Geneva. For some
reason, the French-speaking people in Europe have been very involved in
such organizations. Witness URSI (based in Belgium,) and CCITT and CCIR
(ITU predecessors - based in Geneva), the acronyms for which are based
on French names. (e.g., URSI = Union Radio-Scientifique Internationale
or International Radio Science Union).
om
<st...@sfbladesign.co.uk> wrote:
>"Dave Michelson" <dmich...@ieee.org> wrote in message
>news:3838F31E...@ieee.org...
>> was short for Wait. DE was short for From. And so on.
>
>Was there a french connection? "DE" could be "de" (from); "AS" could be
>short for "attendez SVP" (wait please). "K" I have no idea about...!
...That's *exactly* where it came from. All of the Morse shorthand
conventions came from the French, who IIRC incorporated it into that
really lame International Telecommunications Act that required all Ham
licenses to include Morse proficiency as part of their testing. Yet
another reason the frogs can all rot with CW keys rammed up their
collective arses :-P
OM
Steve Fairhead
news:38459632...@news.ccsi.com...
> Yet
> another reason the frogs can all rot with CW keys rammed up their
> collective arses :-P
LOL...
Steve
(half-french)
(watching his arse carefully)
Derek Lyons
>For some reason, the French-speaking people in Europe
>have been very involved in such organizations.
Until fairly recently, French was the de-facto international language.
Old bad habits die hard?
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Dave Michelson
>
> >For some reason, the French-speaking people in Europe
> >have been very involved in such organizations.
>
> Until fairly recently, French was the de-facto international language.
> Old bad habits die hard?
Perhaps, although the ITU is probably a better example of that than
URSI.
For the origins of URSI, see
http://www.intec.rug.ac.be/Research/Projects/ursi/URSIorigins.html
For the origins of the ITU, see
http://www.itu.int/aboutitu/history/history.html
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And if we really want to beat the dead "Delta Oscar Golf", look at it
from a human factors standpoint. On the transmit side Roger is easier
to say than Romeo. This is true because of syllable count, inflection
(facial muscle movement), and time. Given Roger is used quite often, it
saves time and energy over Romeo. On the receiving side, it is easier
to distinguish when the transmitter has a "lazy" mic key finger (..ger
is easier to recognize than ..eo).
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