Re: 85% scratchbuilt LM kit - with all the guts!?!?!
Jeff Findley
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> ...Someone please forward this to Pat. I think he'll get as big a kick
> out of this as I did:
>
> http://www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/pm_110509_apollo.htm
Cool. I've always thought the LEM looked more impressive without all the
outer thermal covering on it. There's a lot of complexity that's hidden
under its skin.
Jeff
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Val Kraut
"Makes one wonder if Grumman and/or NASA made
> such a version for internal agitprop use, because I can't recall
> seeing one.
I worked on the program and have access to much of the documentation. They
only models I remember is the desk top models. They did have detailed full
scale mockups and test articles - full scale. The mockups were special
purpose and didn't have the structural detail. I think they were more
interested in the evolution from the initial round design with the four big
windows, five landing gear and seats with two docking hatches, to the final
four landing gear with small windows, standing crew and milar
thermal/micrometeroid shields. Actually never saw detailed interior models
of any of our projects.
Val
Kraut
scottl...@ix.netcom.com
> ...The embarassing thing is that, after looking this over, nobody -
> including me or Pat - hasn't done something like this already.
> Especially with the Monogram CSM stack being an obvious inspiration.
> There's been a few buildups where the LM cabin was detailed, but AFAIK
> nobody's done the entire LM like this, from the MESA to the
> "tic-tac-toe" arrangement of the DM to the side tanks & computer racks
> in the back of the AM. Makes one wonder if Grumman and/or NASA made
> such a version for internal agitprop use, because I can't recall
> seeing one.
The closest I've seen is their 2-D version of a "cutaway" LM:
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/drawndocspacesaturn.htm#spacedoc60
http://www.up-ship.com/drawndoc/sdoc60ani.jpg
Pat Flannery
> I worked on the program and have access to much of the documentation. They
> only models I remember is the desk top models. They did have detailed full
> scale mockups and test articles - full scale. The mockups were special
> purpose and didn't have the structural detail. I think they were more
> interested in the evolution from the initial round design with the four big
> windows, five landing gear and seats with two docking hatches, to the final
> four landing gear with small windows, standing crew and milar
> thermal/micrometeroid shields. Actually never saw detailed interior models
> of any of our projects.
the one that interested me was the very early mock-up (this may have
been before Grumman was picked to build it) that had the cylindrical
ascent stage with the domed, glazed top where the astronauts sat.
I never could figure out how NASA didn't expect them to get roasted by
the sunlight in that concept.
Pat
Val Kraut
> the one that interested me was the very early mock-up (this may have
> been before Grumman was picked to build it) that had the cylindrical
> ascent stage with the domed, glazed top where the astronauts sat.
> I never could figure out how NASA didn't expect them to get roasted by the
> sunlight in that concept.
The Grumman version going into the proposal was called the Bug - 1 engine
for both landing and ascent. Three landing gear.
The Grumman Porposal version had rounded surfaces and four big windows. The
Ascent stage was almost a ball. It had five fixed landing gear, seats for
he crew, and docking capability at both the front door and the top hatch.
This is the version they had at he NY worlds fair. The ful up test article
LTA-1 at the Cradle of Aviation has the rounded front door.
Val
Kraut
Pat Flannery
>
> The Grumman Porposal version had rounded surfaces and four big windows. The
> Ascent stage was almost a ball. It had five fixed landing gear, seats for
> he crew, and docking capability at both the front door and the top hatch.
> This is the version they had at he NY worlds fair. The ful up test article
> LTA-1 at the Cradle of Aviation has the rounded front door.
This thing:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Lunar_Lander_Model.jpg
The one I was referring to was inspected by President Kennedy on
September 12, 1962, and was located at the Manned Spacecraft Center in
Houston.
Years back, someone found a photo of this mock-up on the web, but I
forgot to bookmark it.
Pat
Pat Flannery
> The one I was referring to was inspected by President Kennedy on
> September 12, 1962, and was located at the Manned Spacecraft Center in
> Houston.
> Years back, someone found a photo of this mock-up on the web, but I
> forgot to bookmark it.
Well, I just went through 1,267 NASA images involving the Lunar Module
without finding it, but I did find a couple of photos of a LEM training
mock-up I'd never seen before that uses the bubble off of a Bell Sioux
helicopter to house the crew:
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001889.html
http://nix.ksc.nasa.gov/info?id=EL-1996-00001&orgid=1
Pat
Jim Davis
> Well, I just went through 1,267 NASA images involving the Lunar
> Module without finding it...
I hope this copious free time doesn't mean you're having trouble
finding work in this tough economy, Pat.
Jim Davis
Pat Flannery
It only took around half an hour.
I'm going to track that damn thing down if it's the last thing I do.
Pat
Pat Flannery
> I'm going to track that damn thing down if it's the last thing I do.
The Bulldog Breed:
http://www.aip.org/history/newsletter/fall2000/pic_porter_lg.htm
Pat