"Apollo 13" question - "John Arthur"?
Pat Barron
In the "Apollo 13" movie, the EECOM who was clearly supposed to be
John Aaron was credited as "EECOM Arthur". Also, in the childrens'
novelization of the movie, this person was referred to as "John Arthur".
Anyone know why? Did Aaron not want his name in the movie?
--Pat.
Greg Moore (Strider)
Simply because the EECOM who was clearly supposed to be John Aaron
isn't clearly supposed to be John Aaron. :-)
Seriously, while you're quite right, that's the obvious connection,
they actually compressed all the teams into a few characters. (Heck,
unless you watch carefully, you don't realize they are switching from
the White Team to the I think Black Team at one point.)
So, yes, WE all know it's John Aaron, but the character is supposed to
represent all he EECOM's.
> --Pat.
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Roy Osborn
posting). Actually Krantz calls the EECOM "Sy". You're right
about them concentrating the shifts into one person;
although you do see a shift change (it's after the LM
extraction; it's serving to show that the launch phase is
over so they can let the lesser lights take over). Seeing
the movie, you think Krantz was there 24h/7d and there was
only one EECOM, FIDO, etc. The exception is CapCom; there
are two shown: a fellow with a Southern accent (that talks
about going on Apollo 19) and a redhead (don't have my
credit notes handy).
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Eric F. Richards
> Simply because the EECOM who was clearly supposed to be John Aaron
> isn't clearly supposed to be John Aaron. :-)
...but the EECOM on duty at the time of the explosion is properly called
Sy (Liebergot? (sp!))
Well, they got closer to someone who could resemble John Aaron than they
did in From The Earth To The Moon...
Interesting trivia -- if you taped FTETTM from HBO and bought the DVD's,
there are some subtle differences -- in the DVD version, "Al Bean" properly
gives John Aaron credit for "SCE->AUX" where in the HBO version I think
he referred to him as "that engineer."
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Russell Stewart
efr...@flatland.dimensional.com says...
>
> Interesting trivia -- if you taped FTETTM from HBO and bought the DVD's,
> there are some subtle differences -- in the DVD version, "Al Bean" properly
> gives John Aaron credit for "SCE->AUX" where in the HBO version I think
> he referred to him as "that engineer."
Actually, in the HBO version (at least the one I taped), he did credit
him. He said something like "that engineer, John Aaron..."
Of course, I taped the recent re-run. Maybe that wasn't in the first
run.
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Brian Lawrence
[snip]
> Seeing the movie, you think Krantz was there 24h/7d and there
> was only one EECOM, FIDO, etc. The exception is CapCom; there
> are two shown: a fellow with a Southern accent (that talks
> about going on Apollo 19) and a redhead (don't have my
> credit notes handy).
In reality 3 CapComs were used before the explosion, Joe Kerwin,
Vance Brand & Jack Lousma. Lousma was on at the time of the
explosion. Post explosion John Young and Ken Mattingly also
served. Mission scientist Tony England was scheduled to be
CapCom during the EVAs. Don't know if Bill Pogue who was on
the support crew with Brand & Lousma was also scheduled to
serve.
Bill Pogue would probably have been CMP on Apollo 19 of
course, but whether he would have known that before 13
is open to question.
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Roy Osborn
CapComs: Cap Com White (Brett Cullen) and CapCom Gold (Ned
Vaughn). White is on duty at launch and at the time of the
explosion. He has a Southern accent (I'd call it a
Tennessian or Kentuckian, but I'm not an expert) but that
might just be the actor. During the tv broadcast (just
before the explosion), he says "when I go up there on 19,
I'm taking my entire collection of Johnny Cash". During the
VOX incident, he is called "Andy" twice, once by Hanks, once
by Ground. Gold doesn't even appear until much later. He's
noticable by his red hair and gives no personal bits at all,
except seeming to be at a loss for an answer at the
"Medical Mutiny".
I was initially confused by the "John" character mentioned
earlier. The prolem was that only the "Sy" character (Clint
Howard) is actually refered to as EECOM in the film. Also,
the credits for Mission Control (except Krantz) are given by
position, not character name. "John", as much as he does
later, is called only "John", never named as EECOM, and
there is no "John" credited (except Young). He must be the
EECOM Arthur, played by Loren Dean. BTW, there's a bit in
the simulator when Ken says "John" and both Young and the
EECOM guy look up. Movies used to try to avoid this sort of
situation even if it was an actual event because viewers
would be confused by two characters with the same name. Now,
it doesn't seem to be a concern, to the point where it can
be confusing. The worst case I've seen is "Jurassic Park",
where you have "Allen", "Ellie", and "Alex", and there are
several scenes where you cannot tell who is being refered
to.
Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to s
>In article <nDFu3.5523$Pt1....@wormhole.dimensional.com>,
>efr...@flatland.dimensional.com says...
>>
>> Interesting trivia -- if you taped FTETTM from HBO and bought the DVD's,
>> there are some subtle differences -- in the DVD version, "Al Bean" properly
>> gives John Aaron credit for "SCE->AUX" where in the HBO version I think
>> he referred to him as "that engineer."
>
>Actually, in the HBO version (at least the one I taped), he did credit
>him. He said something like "that engineer, John Aaron..."
>
Someone refresh my memory.... what was the story behind this? Wasn't it
something like a single switch throw that recovered Apollo 12 -- one no one but
the EECOM remembered -- when no one else did?
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>
> Someone refresh my memory.... what was the story behind this? Wasn't it
> something like a single switch throw that recovered Apollo 12 -- one no one but
> the EECOM remembered -- when no one else did?
Console data was gibberish following the lightning strike due to the
effect of low bus voltages on the signal conditioning equipment in the
CM telemetry system.
"SCE to Aux, Flight"
saved the day by putting the SCE in a state which permitted it to
function correctly when the bus voltage was low.
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Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to s
wrote:
>the credits for Mission Control (except Krantz) are given by
By the way, it's "Kranz", no "t" in there.
Michael R. Grabois ... change $ to s
Hmmm. For someone with more shuttle knowledge, is this kind of the equivalent
of doing an "I/O Reset" to regain the MDMs and signal conditioners?
So they did this, which recovered the SCE. Then what? They still had low bus
voltage, right? How did they recover enough to be able to continue?
Dave Michelson
>
> >function correctly when the bus voltage was low.
>
> Hmmm. For someone with more shuttle knowledge, is this kind of the equivalent
> of doing an "I/O Reset" to regain the MDMs and signal conditioners?
Not really. When operating in its standard mode, the SCE would
apparently shut itself off (!) if it detected a low voltage condition.
When set to auxiliary mode, the SCE would apparently ignore the sensor
and try to keep operating. No, I haven't got a clue why anyone would
design a system in that manner. I suspect that those responsible went
on to help with the design of the Three Mile Island command and control
system, though :-|
> So they did this, which recovered the SCE. Then what? They still had low bus
> voltage, right? How did they recover enough to be able to continue?
If they hadn't been able to recovery telemetry, Flight Director Gerry
Griffin would almost certainly have called for an abort. Once flight
controllers had data on their consoles again, it became obvious that
fuel cells were off-line, etc., and they were able to direct the crew to
take appropriate action.
Malcolm Bacchus
> So they did this, which recovered the SCE. Then what? They still had
> low bus
> voltage, right? How did they recover enough to be able to continue?
>
Once they were able to put the fule cells back on line, the SCE could be switched back to the
normal operating mode.
Malcolm B.
Malcolm Bacchus
kracatoa...@hotmail.com (Roy Osborn) wrote:
> I finally have my credit notes with me. There are two
> CapComs: Cap Com White (Brett Cullen) and CapCom Gold (Ned
> Vaughn).
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the film made a mistake here. I seem to recall reading
somewhere that there were four shifts of flight controllers on duty for each mission, but that
there were only three CapComs shifts which did not change over at the same time as the flight
teams. Therefore, I don't see how the CapComs could be labelled "White" and "Gold", or indeed
"Black" or "Maroon" which were the other two teams on duty during the nominal phase of A13.
( Liebergot was the White Team EECOM and Aaron was on the Maroon Team for this
mission.)
Malcolm Bacchus.
The Fabulous Disney Babe
so eloquently:
>On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:16:20 -0700, Roy Osborn
><kracatoa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I finally have my credit notes with me. There are two
>>CapComs: Cap Com White (Brett Cullen)
...Isn't he the actor that portrayed Dave Scott in FTETTM?
Dante
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: >>I finally have my credit notes with me. There are two
: >>CapComs: Cap Com White (Brett Cullen)
: ...Isn't he the actor that portrayed Dave Scott in FTETTM?
Yes. Other "Apollo 13" alumni I noted were the actor playing Pete Conrad
in the film was Frank Borman in E2M and the flight controller
referred to as "Sy" (was he ECOM?) appeared in at least 2 episodes of the
series.
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Russell Stewart
> The Fabulous Disney Babe (fabbd...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> : >>I finally have my credit notes with me. There are two
> : >>CapComs: Cap Com White (Brett Cullen)
>
> : ...Isn't he the actor that portrayed Dave Scott in FTETTM?
>
> Yes. Other "Apollo 13" alumni I noted were the actor playing Pete Conrad
> in the film was Frank Borman in E2M and the flight controller
> referred to as "Sy" (was he ECOM?) appeared in at least 2 episodes of the
> series.
Correct -- that was Clint Howard, Ron's brother. And it doesn't
end there. One of the NASA brass in "Apollo 13" (the guy who
answered questions at the press conferences, and who made the comment
right before re-entry that "this could be the worst disaster NASA
has ever faced") has a brief appearance in Episode 2 ("Apollo 1").
I think there were a few other cross-overs, but I'm a little too
tired to remember them right now...
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jat...@ecn.ab.ca
<snip>
: > Yes. Other "Apollo 13" alumni I noted were the actor playing Pete Conrad
: > in the film was Frank Borman in E2M and the flight controller
: > referred to as "Sy" (was he ECOM?) appeared in at least 2 episodes of the
: > series.
: Correct -- that was Clint Howard, Ron's brother. And it doesn't
: end there. One of the NASA brass in "Apollo 13" (the guy who
: answered questions at the press conferences, and who made the comment
: right before re-entry that "this could be the worst disaster NASA
: has ever faced") has a brief appearance in Episode 2 ("Apollo 1").
: I think there were a few other cross-overs, but I'm a little too
: tired to remember them right now...
I forgot about him. Tom Hanks himself was in the final episode.
jat...@ecn.ab.ca
<snip>
: : Correct -- that was Clint Howard, Ron's brother. And it doesn't
: : end there. One of the NASA brass in "Apollo 13" (the guy who
: : answered questions at the press conferences, and who made the comment
: : right before re-entry that "this could be the worst disaster NASA
: : has ever faced") has a brief appearance in Episode 2 ("Apollo 1").
: : I think there were a few other cross-overs, but I'm a little too
: : tired to remember them right now...
: I forgot about him. Tom Hanks himself was in the final episode.
I just finished watching "Apollo 13" on CBC-TV. I noticed that the actor
who played JOhn Young in the film was Roger Chaffee in E2M. He's seated
to the left of the capcom during the early part of the mission and talks
with Ken Mattingly when they're trying to work out the final procedures in
the simulator.
Russell Stewart
>
> : One of the NASA brass in "Apollo 13" (the guy who
> : answered questions at the press conferences, and who made the comment
> : right before re-entry that "this could be the worst disaster NASA
> : has ever faced") has a brief appearance in Episode 2 ("Apollo 1").
> : I think there were a few other cross-overs, but I'm a little too
> : tired to remember them right now...
>
> I forgot about him. Tom Hanks himself was in the final episode.
Oh yeah.
Guess I was more tired than I thought...