The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ?
BradGuth
If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
Sorry about that.
. - Brad Guth
Uncle Al
Meaningless drivel. Tell us some more how the "face on Mars" is a
super-civilization of hyper-intelligent corn dogs with solid gold
sticks in a perpetual war with sequined funnel cakes.
--
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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
BradGuth
> BradGuth wrote:
>
> > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
> > If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> > Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> > of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
>
> > More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> > Sorry about that.
> > . - Brad Guth
>
> Meaningless drivel. Tell us some more how the "face on Mars" is a
> super-civilization of hyper-intelligent corn dogs with solid gold
> sticks in a perpetual war with sequined funnel cakes.
I’m impressed as hell, that you're going on record as saying there is
no such orbital physics of tidal radius?
Does this complex tidal radius thing have to be carefully translated
into some kind of special Yiddish pop-up Zionism book format, or made
into a Viagra pill before it makes any good sense to your faith-based
nayism mindset?
. - Brad Guth
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Look in the mirror without breaking it.
1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
skill.
2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
others.
3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
inadequacy.
4) Incompetent individuals consistently copy and paste, plagiarize and
provide URL's
to others work because they recognize their own incompetence and
stooooopidness.
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Aunty Al wrote:
>
> 1) Incompetent individuals tend to overestimate their own level of
> skill.
> 2) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize genuine skill in
> others.
> 3) Incompetent individuals fail to recognize the extremity of their
> inadequacy.
Thank God you're here for all of us all, Aunty.
Your Metaluna-sized prefrontal lobes shall lead us all out of near
disaster...into a far better and far more logical world.
BTW, it's spelled "Auntie" :-D
Pat
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Don't be so hard on yourself, dear Anty. You will only
fail if you stop trying to attain the competence you so
fervently desire!
Strive for competence!
(In case you're wondering, your post was not competent.
Competence is usually too busy being competent to stoop
to the level of your post above.)
happy days and...
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BradGuth
There actually isn't any limitation as to the tidal radius, unless
there's an expanding velocity that's exceeding the mutual grasp, or
something else comes along (such as a rogue star or black hole) with
enough gravity influence of its own to alter this orbital radius.
As of 8.6 years ago we've been heading back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/
s, of which this means our local rate of expansion or inflation has
not been sufficient to lose our mutual tidal track of one another.
It is clear enough that we've been expanding our elliptical trek from
early times of less than 25,000 years per cycle, to the present day
that's closer to 105,000 years (possibly this current cycle is running
as great as 110,000 years), so there's a good chance that at some
future time we'll not be associated with one another. However, by
then we'll likely be getting nailed by our encounter with the
Andromeda galaxy.
Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
. - Brad Guth
www.freedomtofascism.com
wrote:
>Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
>pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
>anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
Even the atheists will be burned alive when Earth enters the vortex of the
Universe.
Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.
kT
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:02:34 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
> >anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
>
> Even the atheists will be burned alive when Earth enters the vortex of the
> Universe.
>
> Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.
God is weird that way.
www.freedomtofascism.com
Do you still believe that your god will save your ass?
kT
Well, since my god is nature, it's already saved my ass, merely by
creating me. Right now I'm pinning my hopes on intelligent aliens.
If anybody can save me, they can. I'm guessing entropy will catch up
with me in the end, but one could always pin their hopes on brane
theory and/or exotic unknown physics. Those places probably have their
own superintelligent aliens as well, so one can always hope.
After a couple of hundred billion cosmoses or cosmii, or whatever, it
must get pretty boring. Nothingness is merely the extreme dilution of
everything, from my perspective. Of course, that requires something.
BradGuth
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:02:34 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
> >anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
>
> Even the atheists will be burned alive when Earth enters the vortex of the
> Universe.
>
> Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.
Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
black hole from within our own galaxy should do the trick of taking us
out.
. - Brad Guth
Scott Hedrick
"Painius" <starswi...@maol.com> wrote in message
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> Strive for competence!
Victory through senility!
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BradGuth
> On May 17, 9:22 am,www.freedomtofascism.com<tr...@r.us> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:12:36 -0700 (PDT), kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
> > >On May 17, 9:14 am,www.freedomtofascism.com<tr...@r.us> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:02:34 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >Of course, most every faith-based group on Earth (especially of those
> > >> >pretend-atheists believing they are the chosen one), will never accept
> > >> >anything off-world that's other than inert eye-candy.
>
> > >> Even the atheists will be burned alive when Earth enters the vortex of the
> > >> Universe.
>
> > >> Every religion on Earth will perish when Earth is destroyed.
>
> > >God is weird that way.
>
> > Do you still believe that your god will save your ass?
>
> Well, since my god is nature, it's already saved my ass, merely by
> creating me. Right now I'm pinning my hopes on intelligent aliens.
That's by far our best hope, that smart enough and brave enough ETs
come to our rescue.
>
> If anybody can save me, they can. I'm guessing entropy will catch up
> with me in the end, but one could always pin their hopes on brane
> theory and/or exotic unknown physics. Those places probably have their
> own superintelligent aliens as well, so one can always hope.
>
> After a couple of hundred billion cosmoses or cosmii, or whatever, it
> must get pretty boring. Nothingness is merely the extreme dilution of
> everything, from my perspective. Of course, that requires something.
Perhaps we all belong back inside that black hole where we came from.
. - Brad Guth
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348087$cQ1.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > > Strive
for competence!> > Victory through senility!> > ** Posted
bewhiskered old town drunk in Blazing Saddles, lurking in the
background in several scenes his only lines in the movie consist of
blurting out " RUH RUH".........Doc
Robert J. Kolker
>
> Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
> Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
> black hole from within our own galaxy should do the trick of taking us
> out.
We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun will
be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will boil
away. Goodbye us.
Bob Kolker
BradGuth
What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
. - Brad Guth
Robert J. Kolker
>
> What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
> . - Brad Guth
High Hopes. Europe survived the collapse of Rome. The U.S. survived the
Civil War. The only thing that will wipe out the human race is a cosmic
catastrophe (possible, but not likely), a humongous plague or the
Mother of All Wars.
"Do you know what I find beautiful about humans? You are at your best
when things are at their worst" --- Starman
Bob Kolker
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...And so is anyone who responds to a Guthball thread.
<PLONK>
...Idiots.
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BradGuth
> BradGuth wrote:
>
> > What makes you think we'll outlast the next thousand years?
> > . - Brad Guth
>
> High Hopes. Europe survived the collapse of Rome. The U.S. survived the
> Civil War. The only thing that will wipe out the human race is a cosmic
> catastrophe (possible, but not likely), a humongous plague or the
> Mother of All Wars.
of their profound nayism are in favor of bringing on "the Mother of
All Wars".
>
> "Do you know what I find beautiful about humans? You are at your best
> when things are at their worst" --- Starman
>
> Bob Kolker
Did you tell that to those dark-skinned Sephardi?
Ringworm and Radiation / by Barry Chamish
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm
Besides all of their local background radiation that's far worse than
most, why not let them artificially irradiate themselves, exactly as
they had done before?
The international symbol of their DARPA/NASA looks exactly like a
Zionist penus on Viagra, as caught in the process of nailing their own
ringworm infested kind with enough gamma and X-rays to kill an
elephant. Other than that, these are supposedly some kind of really
nice folks we have to live with.
Other than acquiring profits for the rich and powerful as derived from
wars (hot or cold), is there any good side to Zionism?
Here’s a really nifty one for _Unexplained Mysteries_ to help resolve,
as to why 100,000 children of the Jewish Sephardi race were
intentionally and very deliberately irradiated (many to death), and
none the less with the expertise and best technology that our American
government of DARPA could provide. Of course we have been always
informed by our faith-based elders that our supposedly democratic
style of government hardly if ever makes mistakes or much less lies or
excludes evidence. So, why has it taken better than a half century
for the truth to emerge, and then once emerged not given another
published word as to the following documentary work and film of
“Ringworm and Radiation” by Barry Chamish.
Perhaps those tinfoil hats that we investigative types are most always
associated with, whereas instead should have been handed out to those
Sephardi kids, before getting their dark Yiddish skin and brains
nuked. Why is such ethnic cleaning via 36,000 fold of X-rays and
Gamma dosage acceptable, and at the same time it’s too dark and scary
to ever set the record straight, as an example of what humanity is
willing to tolerate from certain faith-based groups that think they
are so extra/chosen special, and apparently above whatever common law
of human decency?
A cure for Jewish ringworms, my ass. I believe Jesus Christ was also
one of those dark skinned Jews, whereas perhaps his ringworms of that
era were supposedly cured by way of putting him on that stick, seems
to suggest there’s no limits as to what these kinds of faith-based
individuals will do onto others.
It seems without much question, we are still being ruled and otherwise
getting snookered and dumbfounded to death by those perverted sick
bastards of the faith-based kind (meaning those of your mostly white
Semitic DARPA kind).
Besides all the tens of millions exterminated by the old USSR policy
of ethnic and political cleansing (making Hitler look much like a
careless daycare provider), I’ve sort of known all along that Hitler
was somehow still alive and kicking, at the very least a better clone
of that sick bastard as going after those apparently inferior Jews was
in fact still with us, except this time cloaked by our very own
Semitic DARPA cult of mad scientists (same as Hitler’s little Third
Reich cache of physics and science smart helpers), plus those of our
DoD taking it out on 100,000 Sephardi (dark skinned) youths. Why?
(because with our help and lack of remorse they could get away with
it).
Apparently, the elder Zionist Jews in charge of that somewhat recent
time were extremely racist, even of their own faith-based genetic
kind, not to mention what their puppet Hitler warlord accomplished,
and of their previous Roman partners in crimes against humanity having
placed Christ on that stick for yet another one of their precious
faith-based PR stunts.
Ringworm and Radiation / by Barry Chamish
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm
I guess if you’re going to get rid of a supposed inferior race you
have to accomplish this from within your own kind, and you have to go
all the way so that there are few if any lose ends of that supposedly
defective DNA within your faith-based group, whereas the consequences
of such clearly chosen actions can then be systematically forgotten or
at least officially banished from public record of ever having
happened (similar to those efforts of covering up the USS LIBERTY
fiasco or claiming the other half to as much as two thirds of those
placed in concentration camps by Hitler as being Jewish). It’s as
though turning a bad situation into a much worse looking and racist
kind of thing is what those in charge were not only capable of, but
having a long standing policy of doing to themselves from the very get
go.
No wonder I and so many others are being continually topic/author
stalked and bashed at every possible opportunity, regardless of the
intellectual and scientific values within the proper context of
whatever our research has turned up about our moon, Venus and even
that of the extremely nearby Sirius star/solar system that we’re
headed back towards at a fairly good velocity. It’s just exactly the
same kind of mainstream infowar treatment as though worse than Hitler
were still in charge.
. - Brad Guth
Pat Flannery
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>
> We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun
> will be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will
> boil away. Goodbye us.
Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red giant.
Pat
Fred J. McCall
:
Rushing things a bit, aren't you? Last time I looked at anything on
this subject, the 'helium flash' wasn't expected for another 5 billion
years, give or take.
--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
Dale Carlson
wrote:
I'm certainly not looking forward to that. Ouch :)
Dale
But at least my heating bills should drop a bit...
The Ghost In The Machine
<fla...@daktel.com>
wrote
on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
<Tr-dnYiTA9SCE7LV...@posted.northdakotatelephone>:
You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-) As I
understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
rendering the Earth uninhabitable after a billion years or
so (or maybe as low as 100 million; somewhere between the
two is more probable and certainly I won't be around ;-) ).
By the time Sol does bloat up, swallowing the Earth as it
does so, Earth will most likely be another Venus, or at
least covered in steam clouds.
One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
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Fred J. McCall
:In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
:<fla...@daktel.com>
: wrote
:on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
:<Tr-dnYiTA9SCE7LV...@posted.northdakotatelephone>:
:>
:>
:> Robert J. Kolker wrote:
:>>
:>> We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun
:>> will be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will
:>> boil away. Goodbye us.
:>
:> Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red giant.
:>
:> Pat
:
:You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-)
:
This much is right.
:
:As I
:understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
:rendering the Earth uninhabitable after a billion years or
:so (or maybe as low as 100 million; somewhere between the
:two is more probable and certainly I won't be around ;-) ).
:
Nope. Not the way I learned it. Stars the size of the Sun don't
'gradually' increase output. They burn down hydrogen and start to
collapse as the heat generated in their cores decreases. The Sun has
enough hydrogen left to remain in 'hydrogen burning' for another 5
billion years or so (not a billion years and not 100 million years).
As the core hydrogen is exhausted, the Sun will go into what is called
'shell hydrogen burning'. The Sun will start to shrink as the output
is no longer enough to support the outer layers. As it collapses,
temperatures outside the core will rise and hydrogen in a 'shell'
around the core will start to undergo fusion.
The core is no longer producing energy and starts to collapse.
Meanwhile the shell burning adds more and more helium to the core as
the shell moves outward toward the surface of the Sun. As the core
shrinks and increases in temperature and the shell hydrogen burning
adds more heat, the Sun's atmosphere will expand beyond the orbit of
Earth.
Yes, the fire this time...
As the Sun's core continues to shrink and its temperature increases,
it eventually reaches core temperatures that are hot enough to fuse
the helium, which the core is now rich in.
Just before this happens, the Sun's core will be about the size of
Earth and it's atmosphere, with a temperature of some 5,000 degrees C,
will extend out past the orbit of Earth or thereabouts.
When stars the size of the Sun transition to helium burning it is no
gradual thing. They experience something called the helium flash.
Once it occurs the power output of the core and the temperature of the
core rise rapidly. The core expands quickly, and the atmosphere of
the Sun will shrink back to around the orbit of Earth and increase in
temperature.
:
:By the time Sol does bloat up, swallowing the Earth as it
:does so, Earth will most likely be another Venus, or at
:least covered in steam clouds.
:
Nope. Earth will get eaten. All that will be left are the planets
past it. Mars will wind up much like Mercury, if it survives at all.
The gas giants will be boiled down to their rocky cores.
:One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
:then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.
We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so. Better hurry and
buy your ticket now...
--
"Oooo, scary! Y'know, there are a lot scarier things
in the world than you ... and I'm one of them."
-- Buffy the vampire
Pat Flannery
Dale Carlson wrote:
>> Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red giant.
>>
>
> I'm certainly not looking forward to that. Ouch :)
>
That was based on some new calculations they did in regard to how large
the Sun will swell to when it goes red giant.
We end up orbiting in its outer atmosphere and slowing down till we fall in.
Here's another way for things to end, with the inner Solar System
turning into a giant pinball machine as Mercury's orbit goes out of
whack: http://tinyurl.com/4ug2ee
This brings up another thought; was the thing that clobbered the
proto-Earth planet that was somewhere else in the inner Solar System and
suffered a orbit shift like Mercury does in this scenario?
Pat
BradGuth
> wrote
> on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
>
>
>
> > Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>
> >> We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun
> >> will be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will
> >> boil away. Goodbye us.
>
> > Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red giant.
>
> > Pat
>
> You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-) As I
> understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
> rendering the Earth uninhabitable after a billion years or
> so (or maybe as low as 100 million; somewhere between the
> two is more probable and certainly I won't be around ;-) ).
> By the time Sol does bloat up, swallowing the Earth as it
> does so, Earth will most likely be another Venus, or at
> least covered in steam clouds.
>
> One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
> then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.
With a rather considerable loss in solar mass (at least half), what
the hell is left of the tidal radius keeping us and other planets
glued to our sun?
Sirius-B lost 4~5 solar mass from burning through its red giant
phase. So. where did its planets go?
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
> The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>
> :In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
> : wrote
> :on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
In other words, all the orbital physics related to gravity or tidal
radius do not apply as the mass of our sun becomes less than half of
what it is now?
Where do I get a copy of that kind of conditional physics?
. - Brad Guth
Painius
news:2f175402-f8a5-4d3b...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Yes, well, they're all partly right and partly wrong, Brad,
even Fred, surprisingly.
The 2 issues here that are getting mixed up are the fate
of the Earth and the fate of life on Earth. The billion-year
figure is presently accepted by science as correct for the
fate of life on Earth. The Sun is about 1/2 way through its
"life" cycle and each year gets a little brighter. Science
now teaches that back when the Sun first fused to become
a full-fledged star, it was only about 75% as bright as it is
today. So in about a billion years, the Sun's brightness will
increase to the point that the oceans of Earth will dry up.
The hydrogen from all that water will escape into space.
Earth's biosphere will be no more.
The Sun, however, will continue to burn mostly hydrogen
for from 5 billion to 7.5 billion years from now. And at that
time, although the Sun does lose a minuscule amount of
mass (tiny as compared with its total mass) each year to
released energy and the solar wind, it will still be almost
the same mass as it is now. When the hydrogen IN THE
CORE runs out, helium will begin to fuse into, uhm, carbon
IIRC. The outer surface of the Sun will continue to fuse lots
of hydrogen and will start to expand. The insides of the
Sun will fall to gravity's great force and begin to collapse.
As the helium fusion gets going, the collapse will be briefly
fended off until the helium runs out.
Then the mass *really* is reduced, eventually (and PDQly)
the Sun's mass will be cut back to as low as 20% of what
it is now. As this happens, the hydrogen fusing surface is
continuing to expand as our star becomes a "red giant".
Now there are two possibilities during this period as to the
fate of the Earth...
As the surface of the Sun expands and the innards collapse,
and as the mass of the Sun is reduced, the orbits of the
inner planets will quickly increase in diameter. Mercury
and Venus will definitely be swallowed by the Sun's red
surface, for they will not zoom out quickly enough. Mars
will almost assuredly escape being vaporized by the Sun's
surface, for it will shoot away like nobody's biznuss. The
Earth's fate is kind of "up in the air", because some of the
astronomers i read believe Earth will shoot away in time
like Mars did, uhm, i mean "will", like Mars will.
Other astronomers think that Earth will not make it in
time and be vaporized like Mercury and Venus. And this
is the preferred version. This is probably how Earth will
end up. And during the period between a billion years
from now and the final vaporization by our red-giant Sun,
Earth will spend some time being in a Venus-like state,
and then a Mercury-like state.
Then POOF!
So Brad, you're right about the orbital physics. When our
great Sun begins to quickly lose mass, the planets will
start to soar away from it! And Mars, and maybe even
Earth, will zoom out fast enough and soon enough to at
least "survive" as dark cold hunks of huge rocks.
Jus' can't wait, can you? <g>
As for our incredible Sun? It's red giant surface will fade
out into what astronomers call a "planetary nebula". If
you check APOD and search for this, you'll find several
images of existing planetary nebulas (or "nebulae" if you
so prefer). The core of our Sun will keep collapsing until
it is about the diameter of the Earth. It's density will, of
course, be much greater than Earth's. Astronomers call
what the Sun will become at this point a "white dwarf"
star. Eventually it will fade away into a "black dwarf".
And hopefully, we will all be enjoying a fantastic bottle
of imported beer...
...somewhere else.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message...
Thanks for all of that constructive feedback. That's pretty much what
I figure too, although your expertise is a whole lot better than most,
especially better than mine.
Personally I think it's much sooner rather than later, with the energy
appetite of humanity at the future of having to support 1e10 souls
living large, as such isn't going to get us much past the next
thousand years unless we can stop killing off one another, at least
long enough to tap into the vast amounts of renewable, safe and clean
energy that's just about everywhere except in our SUV or BBJ tank.
. - Brad Guth
The Ghost In The Machine
<fmc...@earthlink.net>
wrote
on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
<5giv24ts5rdpqt11p...@4ax.com>:
> The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>
>:In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
>:<fla...@daktel.com>
>: wrote
>:on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
>:<Tr-dnYiTA9SCE7LV...@posted.northdakotatelephone>:
>:>
>:>
>:> Robert J. Kolker wrote:
>:>>
>:>> We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun
>:>> will be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will
>:>> boil away. Goodbye us.
>:>
>:> Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red giant.
>:>
>:> Pat
>:
>:You're both wrong, though for different reasons. ;-)
>:
>
> This much is right.
>
>:
>:As I
>:understand it, the Sun will gradually increase its output,
>:rendering the Earth uninhabitable after a billion years or
>:so (or maybe as low as 100 million; somewhere between the
>:two is more probable and certainly I won't be around ;-) ).
>:
>
> Nope. Not the way I learned it. Stars the size of the Sun don't
> 'gradually' increase output. They burn down hydrogen and start to
> collapse as the heat generated in their cores decreases. The Sun has
> enough hydrogen left to remain in 'hydrogen burning' for another 5
> billion years or so (not a billion years and not 100 million years).
The increase in insolation as a star ages is AIUI a
well-known phenomenon, and in any event the burning
of the hydrogen is within an expanding shell outward.
This expanding shell increases in size as it burns.
It is possible that the shrinkage of the core compensates,
but I'd frankly have to look.
http://rainman.astro.uiuc.edu/ddr/stellar/archive/suntrackson.mpg
is a computer simulation, presumably based on current
stellar theory, of the Sun. Note in particular the
increase (about 2x, though this simulation doesn't show
it very well) in luminosity *before* the exhaustion
of the hydrogen.
http://rainman.astro.uiuc.edu/ddr/stellar/index.html
gives more options if one is so minded.
That's about the limit of my knowledge of the matter; I'm
obviously parroting others here.
Yes, but before that the oceans will steam. Not that it matters;
we're all doomed either way.
> All that will be left are the planets
> past it. Mars will wind up much like Mercury, if it survives at all.
> The gas giants will be boiled down to their rocky cores.
>
>:One hopes we've developed interstellar travel well before
>:then, though that admittedly only postpones the inevitable.
>
> We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so. Better hurry and
> buy your ticket now...
>
We've got less than that. But no matter; there are more
immediate concerns, such as the running out of fossilized
algae (oil) and, later on, fossilized peat moss (coal).
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Linux sucks efficiently, but Windows just blows around
a lot of hot air and vapor.
BradGuth
<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> In sci.physics, Fred J McCall
> <fmcc...@earthlink.net>
> wrote
> on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
>
>
>
> > The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>
> >:In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
> >: wrote
> >:on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
Supposedly there's enough thorium to go around (so to speak), and
otherwise with tapping into a multitude of renewable energy shouldn't
have any problems coming up with and sustaining 100 TW for the 1e10 of
energy consuming souls that this planet has to sustain, or else it's
WWIII, WWIV and if there's anything left for WWV.
. - Brad Guth
Androcles
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message
news:5d57g5-...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
You'll run out of forest first.
--
Why did Einstein say
the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
the "time" each way is the same?
Androcles
Fred J. McCall
:
:"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message
There's more forest now than there was a century ago.
You've obviously never heard of 'planting'...
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn
BradGuth
> "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
> :
> :"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message
> :news:5d57g5-...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
> :| In sci.physics, Fred J McCall
> :| wrote
> :| on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
> :| > The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> :| >
> :| >:In sci.physics, Pat Flannery
> :| >: wrote
> :| >:on Sat, 17 May 2008 21:01:59 -0500
There is far less mature forest than before. Little pick-shit starter
trees don't count, because it'll take a good half to full century
before those become viable trees that'll directly benefit the
environment if they are never harvested or die off from our acidic
polluted and bug infested environment.
Most trees are getting artificially fast grown so as to harvest within
a decade, so they don't account for much of anything other than
sustaining an artificial crop of pulp. They might as well grow grass,
weeds or kelp.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
lord Timberwoof, in the topic of “Earth w/o Moon / by Brad Guth”.
> Timberwoof:
> Show how the moon escaped the Sirius system (what is its escape
> velocity?), traveled here, got slowed by Jupiter, and then nudged the
> Earth so gently that there's zero evidence for the encounter ... and
> ended up in a circular orbit.
Getting an item of 7.5e22 kg away from the Sirius star/solar system is
a wee bit more complex for that mere paper and pencil (we might need a
good Abacus), especially testy if it includes the planet Venus. After
all, I'm not Einstein, or of most anyone smarter than Einstein.
However, Sirius-B did as of not so long ago manage to lose upwards of
5 solar mass in its relatively quick red giant phase of turning itself
into that cute little white dwarf, and that's certainly representing
one hell of a lot of its tidal radius loss.
BTW, you (Timberwoof) have always had a very condescending way about
setting this one up for a fall. Are you quite certain you're not a
Zionist/Nazi or DARPA spook/mole?
-
Let us say Sirius-B as having its planet Venus along with its 7.4e22
kg moon that were cruising along at 4~5 AU from Sirius-B, or perhaps
that of hosting another nearby planet of 7.4e22 kg was orbiting at 5~6
AU before the red giant phase, each obviously in their respective
elliptical orbits due to having that binary Sirius-A nearby. Under
the best of conditions this was not exactly a good place for any
planet with its moon to be.
As Sirius-B had been giving off a terrific amount of solar wind and
thereby having lost a great deal of mass, at the same time Sirius-A
managed to gain perhaps as much as one solar mass, and as our
relatively little and passive solar system was sort of nearby at the
critical time is when there became a mutual tidal radius opportunity
that did the trick of allowing a planet the likes of Venus and that of
a smaller rock the size and mass of our moon to migrate away from the
Sirius star/solar system. Of course Earth could also have once upon a
time belonged to the Sirius star/solar system, but that’s altogether
another can of worms.
Along the interstellar migration away from Sirius and headed towards
Sol, it’s obviously a relatively cold and dark situation for the likes
of our proto-moon, and as a result of this long trek it unavoidably
picks up a great deal of ice as it migrated through the Sirius Oort
cloud and then having to pass though our icy Oort cloud, that which
makes the combined icy covered mass worth 7.5e22 kg that’s moving
through the interstellar L1 or IL1, perhaps by then having slowed down
to as little as 10 km/s.
Once past the IL1 and subsequently being overtaken entirely by the
tidal radius of our solar system is when the pull of gravity starts to
speed up this pair of Sirius items (Venus and our proto-moon) as
being unavoidably pulled into the gravity well of good old Sol, as
well as getting safely past our big old Jupiter is a bit interesting.
The fact that we’re now back into our redshift as Sol migrates us away
from Sirius at perhaps 10 km/s is just adding complex fuel to this
migration fire (so to speak).
Perhaps the average interstellar velocity of this migration was only
worth 30 km/s, and quite possibly the minimum distance of one light
year would thereby represent the least amount of travel time for this
migration to have taken place. However, this migration distance could
have been as great as 4 light years, or conceivably less than one
light year (say as little as 0.86 light year). This is where the
fully 3D interactive orbital simulator and of its multi-CPU
supercomputer gets to earn its keep.
Setting up the various notions as to whatever Sirius-B (in the red-
giant process of losing it’s tidal grip) as hosting a system of
planets and spare moons that were orbiting along at whatever was their
required velocity to start with, is of course rather essential to
establishing this analogy that you (Timberwoof ) say can be
accomplished so quickly via paper and pencil (remember that I’d tossed
in that Abacus for good measure).
For some reason I’m thinking this one is going to get a wee bit more
complex than many pages of paper and whatever a large box of pencils
can manage to pull off even with a good Abacus. However, since we the
overtaxed public own several supercomputers (including the nifty 2048
CPU mother of all supercomputers), often including the surrounding
facilities and staff in charge, whereas it seems only fair that we
minions as the village idiots of your status quo should get to utilize
our own stuff. What do you think?
Would you or other of your all-knowing kind like to ponder your
condescending way through the Dogon notions of Earth and our moon as
having migrated away from Sirius-B?
At least that concept would go a long ways towards explaining how the
heck so much got fossilized into coal, oil and gas, and diatoms that
require the UV spectrum as having multiplied to such an extent.
Perhaps good old mother Earth was once upon a time orbiting Sirius-B
at 6~7 AU before the red giant phase.
. – Brad Guth
On May 16, 2:18 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would you believe 12 light years.
>
> If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
>
> More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> Sorry about that.
> . - Brad Guth
Scott Hedrick
> Dale Carlson wrote:
>>> Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red
>>> giant.
Now, Dale, you know better- the Earth will be destroyed when the sun goes
nova, to prevent the younger races from learning our secrets. Those of us
who live that long enter our encounter suits and go to the party on New
Earth.
Pat Flannery
Scott Hedrick wrote:
>> Dale Carlson wrote:
>>
>>>> Latest theory is that Earth will fall into the sun when it goes red
>>>> giant.
>>>>
>
> Now, Dale, you know better- the Earth will be destroyed when the sun goes
> nova, to prevent the younger races from learning our secrets. Those of us
> who live that long enter our encounter suits and go to the party on New
> Earth.
Actually, that quoted text was mine, not Dale's.
Pat
Scott Hedrick
"Pat Flannery" <fla...@daktel.com> wrote in message
news:L8idnfdGI6R63q_VnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@northdakotatelephone...
No encounter suit for you, then!
Pat Flannery
Scott Hedrick wrote:
>> Actually, that quoted text was mine, not Dale's.
>>
>
> No encounter suit for you, then!
>
I spent around ten hours taking one of those Kosh figures that were
sold as toys, and re-doing the whole paint scheme to match the series.
One of the proudest moments of my whole life was when I figured out that
Vorlons were angels and predicted that they'd look like that two weeks
before it actually happened on the series.
My friends thought I had completely lost it, given my interest in all
sorts of theology/mythology... but the last laugh was on them.
This shows an important lesson in regards to reality.
That being that there is a universal Zeitgeist in regards to reality,
and that my sensitive subconscious antenna regarding that reality will
inevitably pick up and align themselves with the latest form of reality,
like a cyber-remora attaching itself to the bottom of a holographic shark.
That should be easily understandable if you've kept up on "Star
Trek-Voyager" in its reruns on the Spike TV.
Other than that, I have nothing to say, either from here, or in the
Delta Quadrant. ;-)
Pat
The Ghost In The Machine
<brad...@gmail.com>
wrote
on Sun, 18 May 2008 20:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
<9cd04d5b-88f6-4985...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
> On May 18, 7:31 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
> <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
>> In sci.physics, Fred J McCall
>> <fmcc...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote
>> on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
>> <5giv24ts5rdpqt11ptotdkdmu4cn4pv...@4ax.com>:
[snippage]
>> > We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so. Better hurry and
>> > buy your ticket now...
>>
>> We've got less than that. But no matter; there are more
>> immediate concerns, such as the running out of fossilized
>> algae (oil) and, later on, fossilized peat moss (coal).
>
> Supposedly there's enough thorium to go around (so to speak), and
> otherwise with tapping into a multitude of renewable energy shouldn't
> have any problems coming up with and sustaining 100 TW for the 1e10 of
> energy consuming souls that this planet has to sustain, or else it's
> WWIII, WWIV and if there's anything left for WWV.
> . - Brad Guth
This is true; we could harvest the thorium from the Venusian L2 point.
:-)
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Q: "Why is my computer doing that?"
A: "Don't do that and you'll be fine."
BradGuth
<ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> In sci.physics, BradGuth
> <bradg...@gmail.com>
> wrote
> on Sun, 18 May 2008 20:11:46 -0700 (PDT)
>
> > On May 18, 7:31 pm, The Ghost In The Machine
> > <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote:
> >> In sci.physics, Fred J McCall
> >> <fmcc...@earthlink.net>
> >> wrote
> >> on Sat, 17 May 2008 23:35:11 -0700
> >> <5giv24ts5rdpqt11ptotdkdmu4cn4pv...@4ax.com>:
>
> [snippage]
>
> >> > We've only got another 5,000,000,000 years or so. Better hurry and
> >> > buy your ticket now...
>
> >> We've got less than that. But no matter; there are more
> >> immediate concerns, such as the running out of fossilized
> >> algae (oil) and, later on, fossilized peat moss (coal).
>
> > Supposedly there's enough thorium to go around (so to speak), and
> > otherwise with tapping into a multitude of renewable energy shouldn't
> > have any problems coming up with and sustaining 100 TW for the 1e10 of
> > energy consuming souls that this planet has to sustain, or else it's
> > WWIII, WWIV and if there's anything left for WWV.
> > . - Brad Guth
>
> This is true; we could harvest the thorium from the Venusian L2 point.
> :-)
That would be another interesting usage of the relatively cool L2 of
Venus.
However, I was thinking of purely terrestrial thorium, even though our
moon should offer another good cache of thorium as well a 3He and a
number of other nifty energy worthy elements. All we need is having
my LSE-CM/ISS up and running, plus a whole slew of those rad-hard
robotics doing their mining and mineral processing operations on that
physically dark and nasty lunar surface.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
worth at least 1024r (especially when including the extra alignment
and mass of our highly unusual moon), and obviously the mutually
combined tidal radius is much greater because there's a measured
affect on the orbits of Mercury and Mars that's directly related to
the Earth+moon tidal radius added to that of the other planets.
. - Brad Guth
Scott Hedrick
> I spent around ten hours taking one of those Kosh figures that were sold
> as toys, and re-doing the whole paint scheme to match the series.
At Necronomicon in Tampa, 1996, JMS was a featured guest. I therefore went
as a low-income Vorlon.
Safety tip- use a small fan to circulate air. The CO2 buildup is a killer.
However, the battery powered florescent and the Insultinator combo worked
great.
Pat Flannery
Scott Hedrick wrote:
> At Necronomicon in Tampa, 1996, JMS was a featured guest. I therefore went
> as a low-income Vorlon.
>
> Safety tip- use a small fan to circulate air. The CO2 buildup is a killer.
> However, the battery powered florescent and the Insultinator combo worked
> great.
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
My friend was the first one to notice that Vorlons looked like spray
cans of air freshener.
I always thought they looked like they had their head stuck out of a
toilet seat, or were wearing a ox collar.
Pat
BradGuth
Now we see the usual DARPA army of brown-nosed clowns (minions Scott
Hedrick and good old Pat Flannery) showing up on behalf of mainstream
damage-contrrol, as though the once-upon-a-time (prior to that nasty
red-giant fiasco) when the Sirius star/solar system had an impressive
worth of 7+ solar mass, as such is all the sudden taboo/nondisclosure
rated.
Apparently the regular laws of physics as related to orbital mechanics
is summarily pissing off their Zionist puppet-masters in charge of
keeping us village idiots as dumbfounded as possible.
. - Brad Guth
Scott Hedrick
> My friend was the first one to notice that Vorlons looked like spray cans
> of air freshener.
> I always thought they looked like they had their head stuck out of a
> toilet seat, or were wearing a ox collar.
Since I was a *low income* Vorlon, I had to shop for an encounter suit at
Wal-Mart.
I made a 3x3 ft square frame from 2x2s, covered it with a couple of layers
of unbleached muslin, stuck a couple of pipe insulators out the back (in
retrospect they should have gone up- I smacked a lot of people with them),
and a plain box, including flaps, for my head. I cut a circle out and
stopped at a flower shop to get some material for a veil. Add a couple of
plain brown cotton gloves and we have a low income Vorlon.
When "speaking", I'd hit the button on the Insultinator ("You're a"
"stinky" "fat" "loser") and flick the switch on the pocket florescent. If
I'd thought of it, I'd have hung the florescent in front of a diffuser.
The Insultinator would add up to two random adjectives to a random subject.
BradGuth
all-inclusive 7+ solar mass as of prior to Sirius-B going red giant
(fried down to the dual roar of 3 solar mass as of today), and for
some reason according to our Usenet/newsgroup wizards there was no
apparent tidal radius to ever take into consideration, thus no
interstellar relationships whatsoever.
Is this kind of special conditional physics imposed because those
pesky Zionist were kicked out of the Sirius solar system to begin
with?
Why would there not have been a very impressive tidal radius,
especially when combined along with the lesser tidal radius of Sol?
Am I the one and only village idiot thinking we're being snookered
along by those in charge of our faith-based mainstream status quo?
. - Brad Guth
On May 19, 8:48 am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
BradGuth
> "Robert J. Kolker" <bobkol...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> :BradGuth wrote:
>
> :>
> :> Isn't that kind of the idea, when our Milky Way encounters the
> :> Andromeda galaxy, or even that of a good sized rogue star or some
> :> black hole from within our own galaxy should do the trick of taking us
> :> out.
> :
> :We are not going to be around that long. In a billion years the sun will
> :be burning its helium, it will be much hotter and the oceans will boil
> :away. Goodbye us.
> :
>
> this subject, the 'helium flash' wasn't expected for another 5 billion
> years, give or take.
>
> --
> "Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
> -- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
As Painius had to say, we're likely toast long before the "helium
flash".
Doesn't matter because, within the next thousand years there will be
hardly nothing of viable fossil fuels left (at any price) to go to war
over, and by then our magnetosphere isn't going to be worth half of
what it is today, thus either intelligent designed rad-hard DNA as our
plan-A, or having to live mostly underground or under our dead-zone
populated oceans is plan-B.
. - Brad Guth
Pat Flannery
Scott Hedrick wrote:
> When "speaking", I'd hit the button on the Insultinator ("You're a"
> "stinky" "fat" "loser") and flick the switch on the pocket florescent. If
> I'd thought of it, I'd have hung the florescent in front of a diffuser.
>
> The Insultinator would add up to two random adjectives to a random subject.
I think I have just realized how Brad Guth's mind works.
We need a Guthinator.
("You're a" "Zionist" "brown-nosing" "LLPOF".) :-D
Pat
Scott Hedrick
I suspect it would be surprisingly easy to create a virtual Guth.
Steve Vernon
"Scott Hedrick" <dinehn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c4bce$48374813$11...@news.teranews.com...
Raising the question of whether or not the one we have is virtual or real.
Steve Vernon
Pat Flannery
Scott Hedrick wrote:
> I suspect it would be surprisingly easy to create a virtual Guth.
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
The "Guth Emulator" was first discussed here around 5 years ago as a
step toward AI (Artificial Insanity) in this newsgroup.
The whole idea was that anyone who wrote a posting to which "Brad"
responded could never determine whether they were interacting with a
real living and insane being, or some sort of really fucked-up and
repetitive computer program.
Whatever it was, it made the HAL-9000 look both sophisticated and
psychologically well-adjusted. :-D
Pat
Pat Flannery
Steve Vernon wrote:
> Raising the question of whether or not the one we have is virtual or real.
>
>
>
Please...let it be virtual... then we could pull all of those glowing
8-track tapes out of his cybernetic mind in zero G, and ask him what
exactly he had in mind when he locked us out outside of the spaceship
after killing the rest of the crew.
Not that you'd trust his expalanaition, because he's a well-known LLPOF.
:-D
Pat
BradGuth
Those brown-nosed minions of DARPA do work in strange ways, more
strange than God most of the time.
. - Brad Guth
BradGuth
Now I'm either as good or as bad as HAL 2000 ?
. - BG
BradGuth
Anyone else notice how our resident Zionist/Nazi Saul Levy has blown
another gasket. It's kind of like DARPA going Usenet/newsgroup
postal.
Our resident bipolar BDK is also a born-again DARPA Zionist/Nazi, or
at the very least a brown-nosed minion of the extremely white Zionist/
Jewish kind that would knowingly treat those supposedly ringworm
infested dark-skinned Jewish kids with 36,000 fold gamma and X-ray
dosage. Of course you and others like Warhol seem to not mind all
that much either, as long as it’sthe white Zionist Jews killing off
other dark-skinned Jews, and not your good ship LOLLIPOP that’s
getting rocked.
Ringworm and Radiation / by Barry Chamish
http://web.israelinsider.com/views/3998.htm
The BDKs such as Art Deco and Saul Levy types of Usenet/newsgroups are
not few nor far between, and they always without exception insist that
they are Atheist that merely act and/or badly react exactly as though
Zionist/Jewish (aka Old Testament thumping) at heart. It seems their
New World Order is just another ongoing extension or ultimate quest of
their pretend-Atheism, that which all the rest of us Village idiots
need to blindly follow, exactly like all the brown-nosed clowns having
to follow their Hitler or Bush, or else we'll suffer the consequences
as only they see fit.
. - . Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko
> Would you believe 12 light years.
Sirius is 8.6 LY. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius
>
> If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
Our Oort Cloud is much smaller than 1 LY.
>
> More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> Sorry about that.
The "sorry" is you thinking that Sirius and El Sol have anything in
common other than stable proximity. Your 105,000 year orbit between El
Sol and Sirius has been debunked by yours truly a good while ago.
Where are the 105K annual rings, Guth? There are none.
Eric
BradGuth
But you can't even accomplish a basic orbital simulator, much less one
of any fully 3D interactive simulation. Do you specify such critical
orbital mechanics for anyone or on behalf of any application that
matters? (didn't think so)
The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. Of course
we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
8.6 years ago. True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
higher closing velocity to come.
The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
still is more than sufficient.
The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
(more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
. - Brad Guth
Eric Chomko
> On Jun 4, 7:43 pm, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 5:18 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Would you believe 12 light years.
>
> > Sirius is 8.6 LY. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius
>
> > > If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> > > Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> > > of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
>
> > Our Oort Cloud is much smaller than 1 LY.
>
> > > More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> > > Sorry about that.
>
> > The "sorry" is you thinking that Sirius and El Sol have anything in
> > common other than stable proximity. Your 105,000 year orbit between El
> > Sol and Sirius has been debunked by yours truly a good while ago.
>
> > Where are the 105K annual rings, Guth? There are none.
>
> > Eric
>
> But you can't even accomplish a basic orbital simulator, much less one
> of any fully 3D interactive simulation.
I DID make an orbit simulator and that was 25 years ago. As far as 3-D
goes, no I have not made one of those though many exist. But number
were good for any epoch!
> Do you specify such critical
> orbital mechanics for anyone or on behalf of any application that
> matters? (didn't think so)
Actually I do! Though most of my work centers around ground segment
testing of high-rate instrument data. Know anything about CCSDS, Guth?
Anything?
> The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. Of course
> we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
> 8.6 years ago. True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
> higher closing velocity to come.
>
> The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
> still is more than sufficient.
>
> The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
> (more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
>
> Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
BradGuth
Not really. Do you have any other physics or scientific expertise?
>
> > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. Of course
> > we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
> > 8.6 years ago. True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
> > higher closing velocity to come.
>
> > The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
> > still is more than sufficient.
>
> > The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
> > (more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
>
> > Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
>
> Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
> brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
> bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
that's off-world doesn't count. Figures, doesn't it.
BradGuth
> Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
>
>
> Sorry about that.
Tidal radius is like atmosphere, whereas there's never a cutoff
between terrestrial and outer space atmosphere. ISM is just an
extension of terrestrial, other planets plus stellar atmospheres.
There can be a mutual stellar tidal radius that's effectively limited
or diverted by way of other stronger stellar gravity.
The mutual Sol/Sirius tidal radius doesn't have other significant
stellar gravity to deal with, other than assisting in the general
direction of Sirius.
BradGuth
having been overlooked is most often published as entirely not our
fault, as never having been provoked or otherwise orchestrated by
anyone in charge, and of otherwise whenever the least bit of anything
good is always as having been carefully planned and accomplished by
those in need of keeping their jobs or them other jobs and benefits of
their faith-based close friends.
I guess that’s why 99.9% of DARPA/Google/NOVA Usenet/newsgroups are
devout pretend-atheists, as supposedly unbiased by way of their never
having worked for government nor any part of those government paid as
private contractors. This always makes perfect sense, that is if you
were certifiably bipolar dumb and dumber, as well as snookered and
dumbfounded past the point of no return.
It’s like all of serious astronomy and of off-world explorations get
to use modified pictures that are often digital stacked and
artificially colorized in order to suit their eye-candy infomercial
requirements of promoting or hyping whatever, and at the same time
others of us village idiots on the outside are not even allowed to
utilize a quality radar obtained image of 36 confirming monochrome
radar looks per 8-bit pixel. Damn, it seems life isn’t fair after
all, any more so than the laws of physics or the best available
science that’s deductively interpreted via honest observationology
can’t ever see the light of day.
No wonder them cold wars and WWIII has always been our only option,
because it’ll never be the fault of anything our faith-based
government and of it’s Zionist/Nazi DARPA had anything to do with
bringing about.
There is an ongoing tidal radius of Sol and another 3x version of the
same created by the complex Sirius star/solar system, not to mention
that we’re somewhat headed towards Sirius at roughly 7.5 km/s (as of
8.6 years ago). The combined tidal radius could be as much as 4^2, or
worthy of 16 light years, especially since so little else is out there
and nearby enough to compete for our tidal radius.
Sadly, this following has been a fairly typical and thus counter-
productive reply to my topics of “Earth w/o Moon / by Brad Guth” and
“Earth w/o moon is also moon w/o South Pole-Aitken basin”
> > He's going to claim the Moon only recently went into Earth orbit - a
> > few thousand years ago, no doubt brought here by aliens. :-)
>
> So, then, the Moon was an alien nuclear waste dumping ground?
That's actually entirely possible, especially since it's so gamma
producing like no other moon, planet or even that of our sun.
Remember that an icy proto-moon is also providing a darn good
interstellar craft, as well as being rather nicely thermal insulated
and otherwise ideally shielded from cosmic and even from local gamma.
Must also be the reason(s) why most everything of JAXA/Selene has
become so unusually taboo/nondisclosure rated.
BTW, the 2e20 N/sec worth of mutual gravity holding onto our moon is
always twice as tidal force worthy as our sun. If that mutual tidal
force of 2e20 N/sec were converted into hourly energy, it's absolutely
impressive as all get out, even if only 0.0001% of that force-->energy
becomes worthy of global warming.
If our trusty moon were to be relocated out to Earth's L1, and
interactively kept there for obtaining roughly 3+% worth of solar
isolation, as such we'd still have half the amount of tidal action to
deal with. Because that relocated moon always being in alignment with
our sun, those ocean tides would never change amplitude or their 24
hour cycle.
If the moon were somehow to be eliminated, we'd still have roughly a
third the tidal action, but at least our badly polluted environment
would then be having a singular 24 hour tidal cycle that was always as
regular as high noon, and lowest tides as regular as midnight, as well
as Earth would be getting extremely cold from the inside out. Those
supercomputer simulations would have easily proven all of this out,
but sadly they are taboo/nondisclosure or simply DARPA need-to-know
rated.
It seems them nifty Google-Groups gold stars are no longer working, at
least not for me. One of my lose cannons must have nailed their DARPA
status quo (upsetting their apple cart or rocking their good ship
LOLLIPOP). Of course few if none others were into giving out those
gold stars, no matters how interesting the contributed topic or reply.
When so much of DARPA/newsgroups are of such silly or intentionally
misleading/diversion topics, it’s interesting how the really good
topics or replies can’t seem to be given any of them Google-Groups
gold stars. I wonder why them DARPA Gods of Usenet/newsgroups are
upset enough to banish them gold stars.
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
BradGuth
afraid of sharing the whole truth and nothing but the truth, as
according to the regular laws of physics and best available science
that's peer replicated outside of their Zionist/Nazi intellectual
cartel?
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko
A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
right Guth?
>
> > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. Of course
> > > we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
> > > 8.6 years ago. True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
> > > higher closing velocity to come.
>
> > > The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
> > > still is more than sufficient.
>
> > > The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
> > > (more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
>
> > > Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
>
> > Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
> > brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
> > bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
>
> So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
> that's off-world doesn't count. Figures, doesn't it.
What makes you think CCSDS is terrestial? Do you know what a sensor
is, Guth?
Why don't you make one?
Eric
Eric Chomko
Sirius isn't even the closest star. How do you explain away the other
closer stars like Barnard's and Alpha Centauri in your Sol/Siruis
mutial orbit?
Eric
BradGuth
>
> A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> right Guth?
No I do not know how to write computer code, but then yourself and
many others have that expertise. Are there reasons why can't you
share?
>
> > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. Of course
> > > > we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
> > > > 8.6 years ago. True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
> > > > higher closing velocity to come.
>
> > > > The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
> > > > still is more than sufficient.
>
> > > > The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
> > > > (more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
>
> > > > Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
>
> > > Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
> > > brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
> > > bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
>
> > So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
> > that's off-world doesn't count. Figures, doesn't it.
>
> What makes you think CCSDS is terrestial? Do you know what a sensor
> is, Guth?
> Why don't you make one?
I've made a few sensors, though mostly optical, some magnetic and a
couple utilizing the audio spectrum. I've specified a CCSDS
compatible sensor using lasers and diaphragm of a mylar reflective
surface.
>
> Eric
btw, is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
Eric Chomko
> On Jun 9, 8:47 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > right Guth?
>
> No I do not know how to write computer code, but then yourself and
> many others have that expertise. Are there reasons why can't you
> share?
>
Surely you have heard of GNU?
>
> > > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. Of course
> > > > > we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
> > > > > 8.6 years ago. True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
> > > > > higher closing velocity to come.
>
> > > > > The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
> > > > > still is more than sufficient.
>
> > > > > The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
> > > > > (more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
>
> > > > > Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
>
> > > > Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
> > > > brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
> > > > bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
>
> > > So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
> > > that's off-world doesn't count. Figures, doesn't it.
>
> > What makes you think CCSDS is terrestial? Do you know what a sensor
> > is, Guth?
> > Why don't you make one?
>
> I've made a few sensors, though mostly optical, some magnetic and a
> couple utilizing the audio spectrum. I've specified a CCSDS
> compatible sensor using lasers and diaphragm of a mylar reflective
> surface.
>
Any of them ever been flown in space?
>
> btw, is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
double standard?
BradGuth
Eric Chomko wrote:
> On Jun 10, 2:57�am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 9, 8:47 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > right Guth?
> >
> > No I do not know how to write computer code, but then yourself and
> > many others have that expertise. �Are there reasons why can't you
> > share?
> >
>
> Surely you have heard of GNU?
And your "GNU" of ones and zeros or whatever word games has what to do
with "The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ?"
>
> >
> > > > > > The all-inclusive Sirius star system used to be worth 7+ solar mass,
> > > > > > and our solar system used to be held closer to Sirius. �Of course
> > > > > > we're currently headed back towards Sirius at 7.5 km/s, as based upon
> > > > > > 8.6 years ago. �True blueshift could be closer to 10+ km/s, with a
> > > > > > higher closing velocity to come.
> >
> > > > > > The mutual interstellar tidal radius most certainly was and actually
> > > > > > still is more than sufficient.
> >
> > > > > > The 105K annual rings are those of our ice-ages and subsequent thaws.
> > > > > > (more frequent rings generated as of each of those previous ice-ages)
> >
> > > > > > Your DARPA trained or rather puppeteered nayism is noted.
> >
> > > > > Your pseudo-science is noted. And you're unable to dazzle me with your
> > > > > brilliance, as you have none, and you can't baffle me with your
> > > > > bullshit, so you're at a loss again, Brad.
> >
> > > > So, of other than your CCSDS terrestrial stuff, of any other physics
> > > > that's off-world doesn't count. �Figures, doesn't it.
> >
> > > What makes you think CCSDS is terrestial? Do you know what a sensor
> > > is, Guth?
> > > Why don't you make one?
> >
> > I've made a few sensors, though mostly optical, some magnetic and a
> > couple utilizing the audio spectrum. �I've specified a CCSDS
> > compatible sensor using lasers and diaphragm of a mylar reflective
> > surface.
> >
>
> Any of them ever been flown in space?
By way of others, so we know they work. However, since you're a born-
again liar because you know better as to what I've accomplished, is
all the proof-positive we need to know about yourself.
>
> >
> > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
> >
>
> No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> double standard?
The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Eric Chomko
> Eric Chomko wrote:
> > On Jun 10, 2:57�am, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 9, 8:47 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > A degree in computer science. You do know how write computer code,
> > > > right Guth?
>
> > > No I do not know how to write computer code, but then yourself and
> > > many others have that expertise. �Are there reasons why can't you
> > > share?
>
> > Surely you have heard of GNU?
>
> And your "GNU" of ones and zeros or whatever word games has what to do
> with "The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ?"
>
Too lazy to even look up GNU? Better to just invent your own BS?
translation: You have accomplished nothing. And as such are a bitter
old man...
>
>
> > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
> > No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> > double standard?
>
> The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.
>
And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
the lies?
BradGuth
I have my honest reasons (nothing to hide). How about yourself? (got
truth?)
>
> > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
> > > No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> > > double standard?
>
> > The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.
>
> And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
> the lies?
So, you have no honest intentions of ever being the least bit topic
constructive, or even the least bit informative. Figures, doesn't it,
in a DARPA status quo kinda way.
Eric Chomko
How do YOU test for truth, Guth? What is your method or methods?
Simply claiming others are liars and stating nothing about what you do
doesn't make you honest or a truth-seeker.
>
> > > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
> > > > No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> > > > double standard?
>
> > > The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.
>
> > And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
> > the lies?
>
> So, you have no honest intentions of ever being the least bit topic
> constructive, or even the least bit informative. Figures, doesn't it,
> in a DARPA status quo kinda way.
DARPA and status quo don't match. Besides DARPA has little do so with
NASA other than goverenment funding. You might as well include NOAA
and ATF in your hate rant.
BradGuth
The truth can usually be independently tested and verified, getting
the similar or exact same results.
Honestly using deductive thinking and trying hard to best connect
those dots, in order to fill in the unusually missing information with
the best available science, is often going to become correct enough,
at least until something better comes along.
Such as the 7+ solar mass of the original Sirius star/solar system
would have offered at least 7 fold as much tidal radius as Sol. The
mutual combined tidal radius of that golden era should have been
rather impressive before Sirius-B went red giant and having since lost
most of its mass, as well as having lost its tidal grip on whatever
planets and potential moons.
Rogue stars, planets and proto-moons do exist, as do rogue black
holes.
>
> > > > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
> > > > > No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> > > > > double standard?
>
> > > > The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.
>
> > > And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
> > > the lies?
>
> > So, you have no honest intentions of ever being the least bit topic
> > constructive, or even the least bit informative. Figures, doesn't it,
> > in a DARPA status quo kinda way.
>
> DARPA and status quo don't match. Besides DARPA has little do so with
> NASA other than goverenment funding. You might as well include NOAA
> and ATF in your hate rant.
Before DARPA there was no NASA, or hardly much of anything else that
could come close to whatever those physics and science smart Zionist/
Nazi types had been accomplishing for their previous resident LLPOF
warlord(Hitler).
Our NOAA, ATF and FEMA, as well as NSA and nowadays DHS are just so
much toilet paper for the likes of our MI5/CIA~DARPA. As a whole, we
have nearly ten fold as many cloak and dagger agencies and their
stealth sub-agencies of official and the usual unofficial (black ops)
spooks and moles as does Russia. It's more than enough to make your
head spin.
Before DARPA there was also no internet/Usenet.
Eric Chomko
Correct for the most part, though you never really got into
experimentation and demostration specifically.
>
> Such as the 7+ solar mass of the original Sirius star/solar system
> would have offered at least 7 fold as much tidal radius as Sol. The
> mutual combined tidal radius of that golden era should have been
> rather impressive before Sirius-B went red giant and having since lost
> most of its mass, as well as having lost its tidal grip on whatever
> planets and potential moons.
Wait, are you saying that Sirius-B was once a red giant? And what of
Sirius-A at the time Sirius-B was a red giant; where was Sirius-A?
> Rogue stars, planets and proto-moons do exist, as do rogue black
> holes.
>
The above sentence appears to be a non-sequitur and somewhat vague.
>
> > > > > > > btw, why is that off-topic and uncalled for rant supposed to represent
> > > > > > > your best effort at constructively contributing to this topic?
>
> > > > > > No. But why are my rants of consequence and your rants not? Why the
> > > > > > double standard?
>
> > > > > The truth isn't a "double standard", except to a devout Zionist/Nazi.
>
> > > > And lies are multifaceted, doesn't it bug you that you can't own all
> > > > the lies?
>
> > > So, you have no honest intentions of ever being the least bit topic
> > > constructive, or even the least bit informative. Figures, doesn't it,
> > > in a DARPA status quo kinda way.
>
> > DARPA and status quo don't match. Besides DARPA has little do so with
> > NASA other than goverenment funding. You might as well include NOAA
> > and ATF in your hate rant.
>
> Before DARPA there was no NASA,
And before NASA, there was no NOAA. That is simply playing games with
time!
> or hardly much of anything else that
> could come close to whatever those physics and science smart Zionist/
> Nazi types had been accomplishing for their previous resident LLPOF
> warlord(Hitler).
Geez, Project Paperclip really has you brainwashed.
> Our NOAA, ATF and FEMA, as well as NSA and nowadays DHS are just so
> much toilet paper for the likes of our MI5/CIA~DARPA. As a whole, we
> have nearly ten fold as many cloak and dagger agencies and their
> stealth sub-agencies of official and the usual unofficial (black ops)
> spooks and moles as does Russia. It's more than enough to make your
> head spin.
I am well aware of the intelligence community. And I agree that they
sometimes overextend their boundaries into areas where they don't
belong. But don't think that every single govt. agency is somehow
connected and in a nefarious way.
>
> Before DARPA there was also no internet/Usenet.
>
Right the internet grew right out of the olde DARPAnet. But isn't that
a good thing? Isn't it better that a public sector research entity
that was built using our tax dollars eventually turned over to the
private sector in order to create an economic boom, better commerce,
better communication, etc. , etc....
The legislation to turn the DARPAnet into what became the Internet was
introduced by Al Gore. And the rest is history.
Maybe one day ISS will follow a similar path?
Eric
BradGuth
> On Jun 11, 4:34 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The truth can usually be independently tested and verified, getting
> > the similar or exact same results.
>
> > Honestly using deductive thinking and trying hard to best connect
> > those dots, in order to fill in the unusually missing information with
> > the best available science, is often going to become correct enough,
> > at least until something better comes along.
>
> Correct for the most part, though you never really got into
> experimentation and demostration specifically.
At least my arguments are within reason and technically feasible, and
often just as good if not better than what others are suggesting as
their one and only interpretation that best suits their faith-based
analogy.
>
> > Such as the 7+ solar mass of the original Sirius star/solar system
> > would have offered at least 7 fold as much tidal radius as Sol. The
> > mutual combined tidal radius of that golden era should have been
> > rather impressive before Sirius-B went red giant and having since lost
> > most of its mass, as well as having lost its tidal grip on whatever
> > planets and potential moons.
>
> Wait, are you saying that Sirius-B was once a red giant? And what of
> Sirius-A at the time Sirius-B was a red giant; where was Sirius-A?
That is usually how white dwarfs come to past.
Sirius-A was perhaps originally similar to Sol, that is prior to
Sirius-B going into its red giant phase.
Sirius-A likely picked up one of those spare Sirius-B units of
expelled or expended solar mass.
>
> > Rogue stars, planets and proto-moons do exist, as do rogue black
> > holes.
>
> The above sentence appears to be a non-sequitur and somewhat vague.
To your mindset, most anything outside of your mainstream status quo
is "non-sequitur and somewhat vague".
>
> > Before DARPA there was no NASA,
>
> And before NASA, there was no NOAA. That is simply playing games with
> time!
If that's what makes you a happy camper, so be it.
>
> > or hardly much of anything else that
> > could come close to whatever those physics and science smart Zionist/
> > Nazi types had been accomplishing for their previous resident LLPOF
> > warlord(Hitler).
>
> Geez, Project Paperclip really has you brainwashed.
>
> > Our NOAA, ATF and FEMA, as well as NSA and nowadays DHS are just so
> > much toilet paper for the likes of our MI5/CIA~DARPA. As a whole, we
> > have nearly ten fold as many cloak and dagger agencies and their
> > stealth sub-agencies of official and the usual unofficial (black ops)
> > spooks and moles as does Russia. It's more than enough to make your
> > head spin.
>
> I am well aware of the intelligence community. And I agree that they
> sometimes overextend their boundaries into areas where they don't
> belong. But don't think that every single govt. agency is somehow
> connected and in a nefarious way.
As brown-nosed minions deathly afraid of their own shadow, whereas in
most situations there's no need of involving more than a very few at
the top. It's essentially one for all and all for one, so to speak.
>
> > Before DARPA there was also no internet/Usenet.
>
> Right the internet grew right out of the olde DARPAnet. But isn't that
> a good thing?
Not the way it has been systematically manipulated and otherwise
twisted to suit their Zionist/Nazi ulterior motives and hidden
agendas.
>
> Isn't it better that a public sector research entity
> that was built using our tax dollars eventually turned over to the
> private sector in order to create an economic boom, better commerce,
> better communication, etc. , etc....
You know damn good and well, that our internet/newsgroups is anything
but well suited for accommodating the cloak and dagger aspects of
those in charge. It's folks exactly like yourself that make this
internet/newsgroup a intellectual wasteland soup, of a mostly cartel
infowar and disinformation factory that favors the mainstream mindset
at all cost, without remorse or considerations for the consequences.
>
> The legislation to turn the DARPAnet into what became the Internet was
> introduced by Al Gore. And the rest is history.
History was also created by Hitler and of his Zionist/Nazi puppet army
of brown-nosed minions that became our MI5/CIA~DARPA, and now we're
stuck with the nearly if not worse collateral damage and carnage
created by our GW Bush and faith-based company of born-again bastards.
>
> Maybe one day ISS will follow a similar path?
>
> Eric
ISS is a serious liability, as well as a damn freaking spendy
alternative to using our moon's L1. By now we should have had Venus
L2 nailed with hosting POOF City.
BradGuth
Why not run it as a summertime class project (or whenever them goons/
MIB are not around to pull the plug).
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
On Jun 7, 1:17 pm, BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
BradGuth
> Would you believe 12 light years.
>
> If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
>
> More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> Sorry about that.
> . - Brad Guth
Why is tidal radius so DARPA taboo/nondisclosure rated?
BradGuth
> Brad Guth rhetorically asks why DARPA makes Guthian figures on tidal
> radius "taboo."
>
> Because Brad Guth is uttering nonsense pulled from his rectum.
>
> Guth, your assumption that the Oort Cloud is sixteen light years wide is
> totally free of proof. The Jews and the Pentagon and NASA are not
> censoring your life's work --- you do not have evidence for any of your
> assertions.
>
> You are incapable of looking up real stellar distances in an
> enclyclopedia. And you post clap trap daily to threads abandoned by
> everyone else.
>
> I will give you your due: you are the wackiest voodoo astronomer since
> Hoerbiger. And you are the first man since Charles Adamski to assert
> that the planet Venus has a shirt sleeve atmosphere where humans could
> live comfortably
Dear lord all-knowing Raymond Speer,
That's certainly all very DARPA boot-camp and just plain old topic/
author puckology worthy, of your usual status quo and out-of-context
self, just like the good little brown-nosed Zionist/Nazi minion that
you and others of your incest mutated kind are most worthy of. Hitler
and of his Zionist puppeteers would be so damn proud of their modern
day minions.
Since you're so gosh darn all-knowing, and apparently as otherwise
wizardly far better off than any supercomputer worth of orbital
simulations; then how about bending those DARPA rules by sharing some
of your cosmic hard numbers?
Oops, sorry that you and others of your silly infowar/infomercial
spewing of disinformation kind don't believe in red giants going white
dwarf as having lost their tidal grip, or that of rogue stellar
motions, of interstellar gravity or their mutual tidal radius, or for
that matter in any other laws of physics or happenstance of replicated
science that rocks your one and only good Zionist/Nazi ship LOLLIPOP
(aka USS Status Quo). Apparently, all that’s off-world is merely
inert eye-candy that’s forever moving away from us (no such thing as
blueshift or any such colliding galaxies). Now we know that even if
there were technically other complex life to behold, and even if its
evolution were a given billion years older start than ours, it simply
wouldn’t have gotten any smarter than your Old Testament thumping
poop.
This must also be why you have seen fit as to exclude those other
intended newsgroups of my original topic, and otherwise having seen
fit as to terminate our Google “gold stars”, all because that’s what
the very best of mainstream official naysayers like yourself and rabbi
Art Deco do all the time. (btw, I’m just returning the topic/author
stalking and bashing favor to the best extent that I can muster with
my battery of lose cannons, if you know what I mean)
Obviously you’ve had no honest intentions of constructively sharing
squat, other than sharing your mainstream flak that’s intended to
protect your special kind of pretend-atheist butts.
BTW, if Oort cloud kinds of stuff is just somewhat hanging there in
between our solar system and that of the Sirius binary star/solar
system, then no matters what it pretty much has to go one way or
another.
Art Deco
*ding*
>stalking and bashing favor to the best extent that I can muster with
>my battery of lose cannons, if you know what I mean)
>
>Obviously you’ve had no honest intentions of constructively sharing
>squat, other than sharing your mainstream flak that’s intended to
>protect your special kind of pretend-atheist butts.
>
>BTW, if Oort cloud kinds of stuff is just somewhat hanging there in
>between our solar system and that of the Sirius binary star/solar
>system, then no matters what it pretty much has to go one way or
>another.
>
>- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
It's so nice that you remember me, Brad!
--
"Substantiation that you regard yourself as a God to be worhsipped [sic]
should be your concern, Deco."
-- David Tholen
BradGuth
one of his fuzzy bed partners. Go figure, apparently another one of
my lose cannons found a worthy DARPA target.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
Art Deco
>Apparently rabbi Deco doesn't like whatever I'm having to say about
>one of his fuzzy bed partners. Go figure, apparently another one of
>my lose cannons found a worthy DARPA target.
On the contrary, Brad, I'm still laughing at your latest load of
kookery. Please continue.
BTW -- how do you know I'm a Rabbi, much less of the Jewish persuasion?
--
Tom Potter
"Art Deco" <erfc...@usa.net> wrote in message news:220620082257404792%erfc...@usa.net...
> BradGuth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Apparently rabbi Deco doesn't like whatever I'm having to say about
>>one of his fuzzy bed partners. Go figure, apparently another one of
>>my lose cannons found a worthy DARPA target.
>
> On the contrary, Brad, I'm still laughing at your latest load of
> kookery. Please continue.
>
> BTW -- how do you know I'm a Rabbi, much less of the Jewish persuasion?
Although Art Deco works out of a
Jewish boiler-room at callibalista.org <Kabala>
and uses Jewish Institutionalized Bigotry tactics and phrases,
to smear folks targeted by his bigoted, Jewish handlers,
and although Art Deco used to banter phrases about that
he thought were esoteric and comprehended only by Jews,
such as "Have a Tequila" <HAVA NAGILA>
he may not be a Rabbi
but here is a video of him when he was younger,
that seems to indicate that he would be good Rabbi material.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f
As the old saying goes:
"If it looks like a pig,
squeals like a pig,
hangs out with pigs,
and wallows in mud,
it's probably a pig."
--
Tom Potter
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
BradGuth
> "Art Deco" <erfc-1...@usa.net> wrote in messagenews:220620082257404792%erfc...@usa.net...
Our resident rabbi Art Deco is like most every other pretend-atheist
within Usenet/newsgroups, except that he's also a darn good pervert
and a liar to boot.
Why do we suppose that the Zionist/Jewish folks that are perfectly
good and unlikely to hurt a Muslim flea, as such can't muster up
enough balls in order to police their own kind?
If the Art Deco and other pretend-atheist types were merely half as
physics and science smart as they claim, and most certainly of those
having worked for Hitler and subsequently for our MI5/CIA~DARPA were
extremely well educated and thus smart (especially as a collective
intellectual cartel), then where's their constructive/positive
contributions to the deductive advancements of physics and science?
BradGuth
Apparently the changing of a topic subject and the diverting of a
given topic into their favorite newsgroup cesspools is just so much
status quo of brown-nosed DARPA clownism that can't be avoided when
dealing with such pretend-atheist rabbi types.
hones...@centurytel.net
>
>>Apparently rabbi Deco doesn't like whatever I'm having to say about
>>one of his fuzzy bed partners. Go figure, apparently another one of
>>my lose cannons found a worthy DARPA target.
>
> On the contrary, Brad, I'm still laughing at your latest load of
> kookery. Please continue.
>
BradGuth
play.
Notice how all of our public owned sumercomputers are being kept as
officially taboo/nondisclosure rated.
Notice how the ongoing intellectual fuckology of these public Usenet/
newsgroups is continually under the Old Testament thumping gauntlet of
those Zionist/Nazi thumbs.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
The mutual tidal radius of Sol~Sirius = ? (< 16 ly)
BradGuth
> "Art Deco" <erfc-1...@usa.net> wrote in message
>
> >>> mhttp://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.comhttp://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
>
> >>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
>
> >>Our resident rabbi Art Deco is like most every other pretend-atheist
> >>within Usenet/newsgroups, except that he's also a darn good pervert
> >>and a liar to boot.
>
> >>Why do we suppose that the Zionist/Jewish folks that are perfectly
> >>good and unlikely to hurt a Muslim flea, as such can't muster up
> >>enough balls in order to police their own kind?
>
> >>If the Art Deco and other pretend-atheist types were merely half as
> >>physics and science smart as they claim, and most certainly of those
> >>having worked for Hitler and subsequently for our MI5/CIA~DARPA were
> >>extremely well educated and thus smart (especially as a collective
> >>intellectual cartel), then where's their constructive/positive
> >>contributions to the deductive advancements of physics and science?
>
> >>- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
>
>
> Shuttup, Ko0k Deco!
Why bother with the rabbi fart of Art Deco?
By way of replying to his Zionist/Nazi mindset, you're feeding his
intellectual manic bipolarism, not to mention diverting my topic and
even renaming the subject as rabbi Deco always does.
hones...@centurytel.net
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:28072097-4948-4cf0...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
People need to know that Art Deco a.k.a. Carl Osterwald is the REAL Ko0k of
Usenet!
HJ
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Those Zionist/Nazi couldn't have managed their Third Reich quest for
global domination without the strong benefit of those brown-nosed
minions and clowns of the faith-based kind.
BradGuth
> Would you believe 12 light years.
>
> If our Oort Cloud radius is worth as great as 2 ly, and the Sirius
> Oort Cloud becomes worth 6 ly (each distorted by a conservative factor
> of 1.5 towards one another = 12)
>
> More than likely it's worth 2x combined Oort Cloud radius = 16 ly.
>
> Sorry about that.
> . - Brad Guth
Checkout all the mainstream status quo of damage-control this topic
created.
BradGuth
Looks like rabbi Art Deco is still trying every dirty Old Testament
trick in his good book, just to get into my pants.
Who would have ever guessed that the Sirius star/solar system was so
gosh darn bitchy to the Jewish faith. (perhaps Sirius is where Muslims
came from)
BradGuth
> Cactus Saul The Moon's gravity raises the Earth's water up by three
> feet,and that begs this question. If the moon had an ocean how high
> would the Earth's gravity raise it up . Can the Earth's gravity effect
> very fine dust on the Moon? Is there anything on the moon to show the
> Earth is only 140,000 miles away? How about direction of lava flow?
> Bert
If the moon had a spin, the tidal force of 2e20 N/sec would have been
an absolutely impressive turn of events, so to speak. At a sixth the
gravity, if there was a Selene/moon 24 hour spin cycle, whereas such a
Selene/moon ocean tide would be perhaps worth 36 fold greater than
Earth's.
Our Selene/moon isn't spinning in relationship to Earth, and its crust
seems much older and a whole lot tougher than Earth's crust that's
relatively thin, as well as in places it seems our crust is leaking
earth-innards rather badly.
Earth is 98.5% fluid to the Selene/moon tidal force of 2e20 N/sec,
whereas the moon may be nearly solid to its lower density and much
cooler core.
Earth's central core is massive in its thorium/iron density, whereas
the Selene/moon core is of a somewhat lower density substance that's
most likely lacking in thorium/iron.
There's obviously a physical distortion or morph of our Selene/moon as
having been caused by this 2e20 N/sec worth of tidal force, although
its not likely causing the innards of our Selene/moon to move about
and warm up all that much, but just continually pulled towards Earth
so that one half of that orb has become a bit more distorted/bulged
and otherwise mascon/massive or compacted than the side that's
continually facing away from Earth.
We need those LUNAR-A 3D mappings of the Selene/moon interior before
much other deductive interpretations as to whatever's going on can
make any better sense. Don't expect much if anything informative or
much less insightful from the mutual likes of Saul Levy or rabbi Art
Deco.
Michael Moroney
>If the moon had a spin, the tidal force of 2e20 N/sec would have been
...
>Earth is 98.5% fluid to the Selene/moon tidal force of 2e20 N/sec,
Force is measured in newtons (N), not "N/sec".
BradGuth
wrote:
Thanks much for that mention. However, each and every second there is
2e20 N worth of tidal force that's holding onto our Selene/moon, or
vise versa.
I supposed if our Selene/moon were not in motion of orbiting Earth,
such as in GSO or otherwise Earth wasn't spinning while under the
influence of this mutual tidal force, as such the measured force (N)
would be forever independent of time and thus inert, perhaps a little
somewhat like when our Selene/moon is relocated to Earth L1 would cut
that (N) by a factor of 16.
BradGuth
Unless Earth and everything else is standing perfectly still, it's by
the second and otherwise by the hour if converting such tidal force
into the sorts of tidal flex that's worthy of global warming energy.
Timberwoof
<5d2a2c33-0e66-4055...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
BradGuth <brad...@gmail.com> wrote:
You need to go read up on the relationship between force and energy. Got
a high school textbook handy? No, I didn't think so.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for
emptying chamber pots in your direction." 気hris L.
BradGuth
wrote:
> In article
> <5d2a2c33-0e66-4055-8958-a045cbb21...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com>,
>
> BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 9:56 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
> > wrote:
> > > BradGuth <bradg...@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >If the moon had a spin, the tidal force of 2e20 N/sec would have been
> > > ...
> > > >Earth is 98.5% fluid to the Selene/moon tidal force of 2e20 N/sec,
>
> > > Force is measured in newtons (N), not "N/sec".
>
> > Unless Earth and everything else is standing perfectly still, it's by
> > the second and otherwise by the hour if converting such tidal force
> > into the sorts of tidal flex that's worthy of global warming energy.
>
> You need to go read up on the relationship between force and energy. Got
> a high school textbook handy? No, I didn't think so.
>
You need to contribute a little something/anything that's on-topic and
constructive (the usual mainstream status quo flack doesn't count).
Doesn't tidal induced friction cause heat on the special conditional
physics world of Timberwoof?
Here on Earth, a passive or inert and thus unmoving solar system
without a stitch of tidal flex heating is not the norm.
BradGuth
It's as though our Google/NOVA hosted Usenet/newsgroups are being
continually taunted by those pesky Zionist/Nazi types that have
nothing to lose.
- Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
BradGuth
Notice how all the Zionist/Nazi types simply can't tolerate an honest
topic about our close interstellar relationship with the Sirius star/
solar system.
Apparently a trinary group of any such local stars isn't allowed by
their Old Testament or Qur'an that's in charge of everything. Thus
whatever mutual tidal radius doesn't apply, no matters what the
circumstances.
BradGuth
Fortunately, I'm not the one and only village idiot thinking about
long orbital treks of binary stars.
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/binary_stars.html
“APOD: 2005 August 30 - Albireo: A Bright and Beautiful Double
Explanation: Sometimes, even a small telescope can help unlock a
hidden beauty of the heavens. Such is the case of the bright double
star Albireo. Seen at even slight magnification, Albireo unfolds from
a bright single point into a beautiful double star of strikingly
different colors. At 380 light years distant, the two bright stars of
Albireo are comparatively far from each other and take about 75,000
years to complete a single orbit. The brighter yellow star is itself a
binary star system, but too close together to be resolved even with a
telescope. Albireo, pictured above, is the fifth brightest star system
toward the constellation of the Swan (Cygnus) and easily visible to
the unaided eye.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albireo
“It is not known whether the two components are orbiting around each
other in a physical binary system. If they are, their orbital period
is probably at least 100,000 years.”
I believe our orbit of the Sirius star/solar system is currently worth
105,000 ~ 110,000 years, perhaps nowadays it getting a wee bit longer
ever since the all-inclusive Sirius star/solar system lost track of 4+
solar masses..
If a 5 and 3.3 solar mass binary star system is good for 75,000 to
100,000 years per orbit, then perhaps ours at 110,000 years per orbit
or per close encounter with the Sirius star/solar system isn’t so
terribly unlikely.