Phil Klass has died
Jim Oberg
Nadya Klass just emailed this message:
"I regret to inform you that my husband, Philip J. Klass, passed away on
August 9 in Merritt Island, Florida."
Phil was a friend and colleague for more than thirty years, an award-winning
technical journalist
specializing in avionics, for 'Aviation Week' magazine. His iron will
carried him through his last
difficult years against physical hardships brought on by age and medical
errors. He had a
bulldog persistence in digging into stories most journalists considered too
technical, too
difficult, or even too un-researchable, both in military and civilian
aviation and space systems,
and in his pastime of 'UFO stories'. He aroused fierce enmity in many
circles, most of it
a credit to his percing intellect and acerbic wit, and if one is best
measured by the enemies
one makes, Phil had even more reason to be proud. I was proud of him and
proud to be his friend.
Elizabeth Mullaney
I am very sorry to hear this. I had the pleasure of meeting this
wonderful and amusing man a number of years ago. He was very patient,
and very witty, in answering a number of eager questions I had for him.
I'll miss him.
Elizabeth Mullaney
Alberta Skeptics
george
Is there any address that we may send our collective respects to.
I have been a keen reader of his articles for some time.
Jim Oberg
"george" <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote
> Is there any address that we may send our collective respects to.
> I have been a keen reader of his articles for some time.
Mrs. Nadya Klass
535 Nora Ave
Merritt Island, FL 32952-5124
Michael Davis Disorder
<snip>
http://www.destinationspace.net/ufo/ufomag/ufomag1008.asp
I had personal experience with Klass on two different occasions when he
displayed his fanatic anti-UFO sentiments. In 1992, I was invited to debate
Klass
in Denver, sponsored by ParaNet and MICAP. During the debate we began to
discuss the Frederick Valentich case. This was a case of a young Australian
pilot who disappeared in 1978 after radioing that he was being approached
by a huge UFO. (The RAAF became involved in this case, but no aircraft or
body was ever located.) Klass began by calling Valentich a "drug smuggler."
I was not about to allow him to get away with that and demanded he prove
his assertion. His proof? Valentich had four life preservers in his
aircraft. Klass has operated on the assumption that if the case cannot be
discarded because the claims can't be disproved, then it *must be a hoax
because UFOs simply cannot be real!
The next run in with Klass happened near the end of January 1995. I had
invited Klass on my two hour, weekly radio program UFOs Tonite!. During the
program Klass had threatened to hang up when I challenged him about his
assertion that Major Jesse Marcel, when picking up debris from the Roswell
Incident, was trying to claim a $3,000 reward offered by a newspaper for
proof of a flying saucer. Klass got very testy when I challenged him on the
statement that Marcel, the intelligence officer of the most elite military
group in the world, would attempt collect a reward. (By the way, there is
no proof of such a reward being offered that I was ever able to locate.) He
threatened to hang up at that point. Later during the program we were
discussing the 1952 overflights of Washington DC, when Klass tried to
suggest the Air Force was not worried because they took over an hour to
send up jet interceptors. I informed Klass the reason was that the local
Air Force bases were repairing runways and the jets had to be flown in from
Delaware. (I had the proof including a statement by Al Chop who was then
the Air Force liaison with its Blue Book operation) Klass became enraged
and began "screaming bullshit" over the air. When I expressed my
indignation to him, he became embarrassed and hung up his telephone mid
show! (Another time Klass "lost it" and began screaming profanities to a
national audience occurred about 1993 on the Larry King show. Klass
appeared with Travis Walton and Mike Rogers, and Rogers accused Klass of
being a government agent. Klass in a "klassic display" of temper screamed,
`MIKE ROGERS!, YOU'RE A GODDAMNED LIAR!") This is the rational thought
demonstrated by the likes of the Skeptical Inquirer and CSICOP that I have
encountered.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"I regret to inform you that my husband, Philip J. Klass, passed away on
>August 9 in Merritt Island, Florida."
I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
<fart...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> Klass
>appeared with Travis Walton and Mike Rogers, and Rogers accused Klass of
>being a government agent. Klass in a "klassic display" of temper screamed,
>`MIKE ROGERS!, YOU'RE A GODDAMNED LIAR!") This is the rational thought
>demonstrated by the likes of the Skeptical Inquirer and CSICOP that I have
>encountered.
Well Klass was one of the world's stupidest people or else he was a paid
debunker. Both apply.
Klass insulted peoples' intelligence world-wide.
Now a days the US government doesn't even bother to debunk the overwhelming
evidence. They remain silent, which is probably a better tack, considering
it's now public information that the US fascist/corporate/military
government had face-to-face contact with the grey alien extraterrestrial
race who left a stern warning about abuse of technology and an intact saucer
at Holloman AFB, which is now hidden at Groom Lake & has been there for more
than 30 years.
In retrospect, it shouldn't be surprising that the 'national security
apparatus' built around governmental denial has led to the explosion of
governmental corruption we now have in the USA.
And still after all these years, the Ets shun the US government.
The hand writing is on the wall, folks.
Happy Dog
news:12plf15mi0oj1lomo...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:21:50 -0400, Michael Davis Disorder
> <fart...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> Klass
>>appeared with Travis Walton and Mike Rogers, and Rogers accused Klass of
>>being a government agent. Klass in a "klassic display" of temper screamed,
>>`MIKE ROGERS!, YOU'RE A GODDAMNED LIAR!") This is the rational thought
>>demonstrated by the likes of the Skeptical Inquirer and CSICOP that I have
>>encountered.
>
> Well Klass was one of the world's stupidest people or else he was a paid
> debunker. Both apply.
>
> Klass insulted peoples' intelligence world-wide.
>
> Now a days the US government doesn't even bother to debunk the
> overwhelming
> evidence.
They don't debunk people who claim to talk to the dead either.
Idiot.
moo
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
Klass should have been tasked with debunking god beliefs.
>Idiot.
Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better figure out
how to live forever.
>moo
Dumbass.
Art Deco
"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm <tro...@R.us>", wrote:
When do you check out, Alexa?
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
"Don't be too envious. Yes, I have got it all. I am rich, I
have a good education, and I am rather good looking .. so
where does that leave you?
C."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne polishes his ego a bit
"That's what you expect from people who think that the
cyberworld isn't "RL"."
-- Dr. David Tholen, Psychic Astrologer
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
Jim Oberg
"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
> I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.
You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>
Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
Art Deco
"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm <tro...@R.us>", wrote:
Got a reference for this statistic, Alexa? Didn't think so.
Nosterill
civilised world. In any event, reality is not subject to the majority
vote.
Happy Dog
>>> Now a days the US government doesn't even bother to debunk the
>>> overwhelming
>>> evidence.
>>
>>They don't debunk people who claim to talk to the dead either.
>
> Klass should have been tasked with debunking god beliefs.
Why? There's better "evidence" for an afterlife than for UFOs if you
believe the eyewitness reports.
>
>>Idiot.
>
> Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better figure
> out
> how to live forever.
You know this how?
moo
Don Freeman
--
"However, this is Usenet. We **SPECIALIZE**
in hounding deluded individuals!"
- Ú explains the facts of life to one more deluded individual
Michael Davis Disorder
Sounds like projection to me, but what's more funny is that you even have to
mention that someone's story about UFOs at area 51 is fake and laughable.
Most people with at least moderate intelligence realize that there should be
no effort at all required to debunk something that isn't real, yet you
persist in your "efforts" with much grandiosity. How does it feel knowing
that your claim to fame will be proving that a bunch of lunatics with some
extraordinary claims were actually just a bunch of lunatics with some
extraordinary claims.
What a joke you are. You and anybody else who calls themselves a "debunker"
based on a bunch of looneys babbling about UFOs is no more than a two-bit
hack compared to people who actually do go out and "debunk" scientific
misconceptions for the actual benefit of humanity. Going around
"debunking" fairie tales seems to be just a tad bit laughable.
Signed,
Roberta "aka Teh Mop Jockey, and "that guy who embarassed Carl Wilson and
John Lewis from using their real idents to play their stupid debunker games
of contacting people's workplaces and ISPs"
Laughing at your dumb ass and Klass's dead ass.
Michael Davis Disorder
>
> "www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote in message
> news:gllmf1hvhhis8c8gt...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
>> <james...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>>>> I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>>> Lake.
>>>
>>>You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
>>>you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
>>
>> Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
>> self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
>>
> How deep into your ass did you have to reach to pull that statistic out?
>
Why the fuck are you stupid enough to ask the looney?
Michael Davis
and all around lunatic, Robert "mop jockey" Wolfe, while cowering behind
his "Michael Davis Disorder" sock foamed:
Nice rant, kook. Hey, I thought you said you were just trolling us
(TINU) with all your saucerhead bullshit. Guess you were just lying
again. Whadda shocker.
--
The Evil Michael Davis(tm)
http://www.mdpub.com/scopeworks/
http://skepticult.org Member #264-70198-536
Member #33 1/3 of The "I Have Been Killfiled By Tommy" Club
"I've been called an asshole in about every language now!!!" - Roberta
Wolfe in a rare moment of honesty.
Don Freeman
"Michael Davis Disorder" <fart...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:11fnauk...@news.supernews.com...
Because her responses are worth reading (which is more then I can say for
yours) for their amusement value alone.
Michael Davis Disorder
>
> "Michael Davis Disorder" <fart...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:11fnauk...@news.supernews.com...
>> Don Freeman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote in message
>>> news:gllmf1hvhhis8c8gt...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim Oberg"
>>>> <james...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>>>>>> I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>>>>> Lake.
>>>>>
>>>>>You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
>>>>>you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
>>>> self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
>>>>
>>> How deep into your ass did you have to reach to pull that statistic out?
>>>
>> Why the fuck are you stupid enough to ask the looney?
>>
>
> Because her responses are worth reading (which is more then I can say for
> yours) for their amusement value alone.
>
Oh, I see... you are stupid and easily amused. This would explain why you
couldn't parse my intricate "verbiage". LOL
george
The same percentage believe in Santa Clause, fairies, Bigfoot and the
big pink sky pixy.
And UFO stands for 'unidentified flying object' were it an alien
spacecraft it would no longer be a UFO it would be an IFO.. (identified
flying object)
Don Freeman
>>
> Oh, I see... you are stupid and easily amused. This would explain why you
> couldn't parse my intricate "verbiage". LOL
>
this is not the first time you have been informed of that fact.
Michael Davis Disorder
I was being facetious. Please do try to keep up, next time.
Don Freeman
> Don Freeman wrote:
>>>
>> You have a greatly over-exaggerated opinion of yourself, though I am sure
>> this is not the first time you have been informed of that fact.
>
> I was being facetious. Please do try to keep up, next time.
I wasn't. And I have no intention of "keeping up" with someone going
downhill.
Wally Anglesea™
Baloney. 86% of your brain cells are atrophied, Alexa
--
Read all about Australia's biggest doomsday cult:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/wanglese/pebble.htm
"You can't fool me, it's turtles all the way down"
Michael Davis Disorder
Your IKYABWAI lame is noted and laughed at.
Michael Davis Disorder
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:48:05 GMT, www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
> <tro...@R.us> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim Oberg" <james...@houston.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>>>> I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>>> Lake.
>>>
>>>You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
>>>you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
>>
>>Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
>>self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
>
> Baloney. 86% of your brain cells are atrophied, Alexa
If 100% of them were, you'd probably be even more likely to respond, having
finally found someone dumber than yourself to measure your Freudian
Projections against.
Don Freeman
> Don Freeman wrote:
>
>>> I was being facetious. Please do try to keep up, next time.
>>
>> I wasn't. And I have no intention of "keeping up" with someone going
>> downhill.
>
> Your IKYABWAI lame is noted and laughed at.
As strange as it may seem, I am not too concerned about the opinions of
someone who hides behind an alias.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us>
>>>> Now a days the US government doesn't even bother to debunk the
>>>> overwhelming
>>>> evidence.
>>>
>>>They don't debunk people who claim to talk to the dead either.
>>
>> Klass should have been tasked with debunking god beliefs.
>
>Why? There's better "evidence" for an afterlife than for UFOs if you
>believe the eyewitness reports.
There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake and no proof of an
afterlife other than through technology.
>>
>>>Idiot.
>>
>> Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better figure
>> out
>> how to live forever.
>
>You know this how?
Logic.
>
>moo
>
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>86%
Yhis is old, old, old news.
> of members of UFO groups? I very much doubt if that applies in the
>civilised world. In any event, reality is not subject to the majority
>vote.
Rehashing the same old shit is passe.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Stop trolling. The statistic is old, old news.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Oh horseshit. The goddamned aliens landed at Holloman and freaking GAVE the
USAF on of their saucers.
They also landed in China and GAVE them an identical saucer.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
<wang...@spammersareverminbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:48:05 GMT, www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
><tro...@R.us> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim Oberg" <james...@houston.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>>>> I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.
>>>
>>>You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
>>>you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
>>
>>Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
>>self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
>
>Baloney. 86% of your brain cells are atrophied, Alexa
Stalking your imaginary sparing partner won't make the saucer at Groom Lake
or extraterrestrials disappear.
Wally Anglesea™
Woah, I'm sooooooo cut. NOT.
So you believe, along with Alexa, that there is a sekrit alien saucer
at Groom lake?
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHH!
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
<wang...@spammersareverminbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>that there is a sekrit alien saucer at Groom lake
Yes, there is. The US is embarrassed that they HAVE NO CLUE HOW IT OPERATES
Happy Dog
>>> Klass should have been tasked with debunking god beliefs.
>>
>>Why? There's better "evidence" for an afterlife than for UFOs if you
>>believe the eyewitness reports.
>
> There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake and no proof of an
> afterlife other than through technology.
Nope. People claim to have seen it, been there, talked to people there.
Same as the evidence for the saucer (?) at Groom Lake.
>>>
>>>>Idiot.
>>>
>>> Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better figure
>>> out how to live forever.
>>
>>You know this how?
>
> Logic.
I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
your conclusion.
moo
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>> There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake
>
>Nope.
Yep.
>People claim to have seen it, been there, talked to people there.
And they all told you the same thing:
There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.
>>>> Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better figure
>>>> out how to live forever.
>>>
>>>You know this how?
>>
>> Logic.
>
>I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
>your conclusion.
Nope, you prove that life after death exists by a magical god.
Until then, there's no one in the history of the world whose dead body has
come back to life.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>>>> Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better figure
>>>> out how to live forever.
>>>
>>>You know this how?
>>
>> Logic.
>
>I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
>your conclusion.
Scientific proof life after death does not exist:
1. Take one human corpse
2. Observe it to see if it comes back to life
3. Record results.
4. Repeat.
5. Record results to see if data input changes.
Findings will be that it is statistically significant that the corpse will
not come back to life.
You are free to challenge these findings.
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wrote:
>>>> If you want life after death then you better figure
>>>> out how to live forever.
>>>
>>>You know this how?
>>
>> Logic.
>
>I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
>your conclusion.
Scientific proof life after death does not exist:
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>I somehow doubt this.
Well ?
Are you gonna respond :
Message-ID: <a9fof1d2svvjnjnuf...@4ax.com>
WELL.....?????????????????????
EH????????????
DUMBASS.
H Dickmann
it minerals and Chemicals? I know that chemicals can change, but how do they
disappear into nothingness?
If you grow strawberries in compost, then compost turns into fruit which is
a living thing.
Everything changes, but nothing disappears. I think.
Bookman
wrote:
>Alexa Cameron, currently posting as
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm <tro...@R.us>", wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim Oberg" <james...@houston.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>>>> I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.
>>>
>>>You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
>>>you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
>>
>>Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
>>self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
>
>Got a reference for this statistic, Alexa? Didn't think so.
Got hard evidence of these "aliens", Alexa? Didn't think so.
ESL!
--
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>
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote in message
>news:a9fof1d2svvjnjnuf...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:34:00 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> If you want life after death then you better figure
>>>>>> out how to live forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>You know this how?
>>>>
>>>> Logic.
>>>
>>>I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
>>>your conclusion.
>>
>> Scientific proof life after death does not exist:
>>
>> 1. Take one human corpse
>>
>> 2. Observe it to see if it comes back to life
>>
>> 3. Record results.
>>
>> 4. Repeat.
>>
>> 5. Record results to see if data input changes.
>>
>> Findings will be that it is statistically significant that the corpse will
>> not come back to life.
>>
>> You are free to challenge these findings.
>>
>I'm not a scientist.
You can try the experiment at home. Next time one of your relatives dies,
prop them up in a chair and wait until they come back to life.
Let us know what happens.
>But, what is the composition of the human corpse?
The same stuff the universe is made from.
> Isn't
>it minerals and Chemicals? I know that chemicals can change, but how do they
>disappear into nothingness?
>If you grow strawberries in compost, then compost turns into fruit which is
>a living thing.
>Everything changes, but nothing disappears. I think.
Changing a human body to dust is not life after death.
Do you remember or know where every molecule in you body came from?
Of course not.
H Dickmann
Dust produces food, Food produces sperm. Sperm produces life.
Life after death, as descibed in the Bible is life of the spirit. How do you
know that your spirit dies?
Nosterill
"spirit", let alone its' supposed immortality, and no plausible
proposals for a mechanism for independant "spirit" survival then it
must be considered highly improbable.
Don Freeman
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:12:34 GMT, Wally AngleseaT
> <wang...@spammersareverminbigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>that there is a sekrit alien saucer at Groom lake
>
> Yes, there is. The US is embarrassed that they HAVE NO CLUE HOW IT
> OPERATES
>
Happy Dog
>>>>> Idiot? Not hardly. If you want life after death then you better
>>>>> figure
>>>>> out how to live forever.
>>>>
>>>>You know this how?
>>>
>>> Logic.
>>
>>I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
>>your conclusion.
>
> Scientific proof life after death does not exist:
>
> 1. Take one human corpse
>
> 2. Observe it to see if it comes back to life
The soul lives on, idiot. Pay attention in church!
moo
Happy Dog
> wrote:
>
>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>
>>> There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake
>>
>>Nope.
>
> Yep.
>
>>People claim to have seen it, been there, talked to people there.
>
> And they all told you the same thing:
>
> There's an extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.
And god lives!
We all agree. Now take your meds.
moo
AcesLucky
I've been doing that exact experiment for over ten years, now. But I
have a question. Is it imperative that I remove the corpse from the
refrigerator?
(just joking)
BTW, I've asked several of these believers to present just TWO
individuals (from the MILLIONS of believers that have already passed on
before them) that have attained immortality according to their religious
belief.
So far, nothing!
Michael Gray
I'm afraid that it has already been started, by the ancient Egyptians,
for example.
The experiments have been conducted for around 5,000 years now,
with no positive results in just yet.
You can work out for yourselves what this means in terms of
statistical significance...
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
What is a spirit? It's another misused word used to describe something
which you have no evidence for.
Look the definition of 'spirit' up in the dictionary. If 'spirit' exists,
one can not have a 'spirit' without a live body.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
I agree with all you said, except that there does seem to be something
different about each of us. I like to call it 'presence'. For example,
each person has a unique mannerisms, personality, facial expressions, way
about them, which is completely different from another person! Each of us
is unique and irreplaceable. Same goes for all other life which has a
personality and emotions -- like dogs and cats too!
This above all else is the most cherished & endearing.
But how could one save all of that for all of eternity?
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wrote:
It's really silly to discuss any of this given Earth's socio-economic system
is more important than life.
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www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:34:00 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>If you want life after death then you better figure
>>>>>>out how to live forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>You know this how?
>>>>
>>>>Logic.
>>>
>>>I somehow doubt this. But, engage us with the chain of logic that led to
>>>your conclusion.
>>
>>
>> Scientific proof life after death does not exist:
>>
>> 1. Take one human corpse
>>
>> 2. Observe it to see if it comes back to life
>>
>> 3. Record results.
>>
>> 4. Repeat.
>>
>> 5. Record results to see if data input changes.
>>
>> Findings will be that it is statistically significant that the corpse will
>> not come back to life.
>>
>> You are free to challenge these findings.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I've been doing that exact experiment for over ten years, now. But I
>have a question. Is it imperative that I remove the corpse from the
>refrigerator?
Well if it's been ten years, it's probably dehydrated by now.
>
>(just joking)
Heh.
>
>BTW, I've asked several of these believers to present just TWO
>individuals (from the MILLIONS of believers that have already passed on
>before them) that have attained immortality according to their religious
>belief.
>
>So far, nothing!
What makes no sense to me is people are eager to give up the life they
*have* right now for their religious beliefs which reduce life to
meaninglessness.
>
>
>
>
Michael Gray
Well, if it comes to that it makes no sense that anyone would accept
being invaded by say, a malaria parasite.
Religion is just another type of self-serving infection (of the mind).
It makes sense in that it is the virus that is being successful, in
both cases.
Of course it doesn't make sense, if you only consider the host in the
benefit equation.
Happy Dog
> wrote:
>
>>You can't prove a negative, but since there is no real evidence for a
>>"spirit", let alone its' supposed immortality, and no plausible
>>proposals for a mechanism for independant "spirit" survival then it
>>must be considered highly improbable.
>
> I agree with all you said, except that there does seem to be something
> different about each of us. I like to call it 'presence'.
Oh good. That clears it all up. There's a UFO at Groom Lake and a mystique
about all of us and this all makes you feel comfortable. But, you must
admit, there are crazy people who believe that exterrestrials are sending
covert messages to them. Is that "presence"? Is it OK if we ask them to
consider your beliefs?
moo
Happy Dog
> wrote:
>
>
> It's really silly to discuss any of this given Earth's socio-economic
> system
> is more important than life.
Try that again with English syntax.
moo
Happy Dog
Brilliant. You are an intellectual eunuch who crosses swords with betters
that you hope to drink with. You are bereft of company as is evidenced by
the total lack of support for a single idea you've posted. Nobody cares.
Killfile the entire planet.
moo
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
> you feel comfortable
Personally, I'm glad there's other life in the Universe which is more
intelligent than human beings. It's good to know that they will carry on
after civilization on Earth is gone.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>Religion is just another type of
mind control.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote in message news:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:46:48 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's really silly to discuss any of this given Earth's socio-economic
>> system
>> is more important than life.
>
>Try that again with English syntax.
Nope, YOU try to figure out what I said is correct.
>
>moo
>
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>Killfile the entire planet.
You are.
Dr. Flonkenstein
Welcome to our resident kook Alexa Cameron:
To know more about this year long spammer and delusional fuckwit see:
http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/search.php?query=cameron
--
mhm 27x12
smeeter #28
Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21
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CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
The Way of the Kook:
http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
in Message-ID: <rjise19nrclufrgjg...@4ax.com>
Mark "Woody" Ferguson shows his mastery of the English language:
"With patients and practice you could be nominated next time around..."
in Message-MID: <k1kte1hu59khhkt4m...@4ax.com>
Mark "The illiterate" Ferguson astonishes everybody saying:
"Oh, for fucks sake, Gary no matter how angery he thinks he makes there
are lines I will not cross unless I believe what I say is the true, I
know more then you."
in Message-ID: <lhic01pc5svudk22n...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Tequila Titsz" Cameron explains world religions:
"The jews roots are islamic."
in Message-ID: <j1b5c1l2629tc6afu...@4ax.com>
Alexa "dumbass" Cameron shows her knowledge of history:
"WRONGO. There was NO Bible before King James had it written."
in Message-ID: <5g89d15kbjd3cd7i6...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Word Salad" Cameron shows her knowledge of science:
"Einstein never found the double superimposed doubl 'equilateral' triangle."
in Message-ID: <1rfee1d5iuhq3piii...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Kook of the year 2004" Cameron uses words she doesn't understand again:
"Why is the Pentagon killing American citizens with non-lethal technology?"
in Message-ID: <2mrge1phgk68ourdt...@4ax.com>
Alexa "Imnotalexadammit" Cameron has problems with that extra finger
on her hand:
"Why do the Jews use the Star of David as symbolic of the Pentagon, or
Pentagram?"
H Dickmann
"Nosterill" <ro...@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
news:1123854211....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
details places where they have never been or have heard off?
Nosterill
this. Since you are, apparently, persuaded perhaps you would care to
propose a mechanism?
H Dickmann
>I can't, but then I am not persuaded that there is hard evidence of
> this. Since you are, apparently, persuaded perhaps you would care to
> propose a mechanism?
>
greatest knowledge.
Science deals in facts with a very limited knowledge. Someone once did ask
if a rock has life. Of course not would be the logical answer. But then, we
only know one life form. How do we know that there is not another life form?
Not long ago we would have ridiculed a person who made the suggestion that
anti matter exists. How do we know that there is not another universe? How
do we know that there is not a place called eternity where time does not
exists? In fact. if we look at true prophesies, could it be that those
Prophets were allowed to look at eternity? How do we know that there is not
a spiritual world just as there is a physical world? How do we know that a
persons spirit can't leave a body and goes into the Body of an unborn baby.
There are many things we don't know. But to dismiss such things which we
can't understand with our very limited knowledge is foolishness. To do so we
elevate ourselves into an all knowing God.
In the creation story we read that the fall of man was eating the fruit from
the tree of Knowledge. Is there a knowledge which we are not supposed to
have? Is it not a fact that having all knowledge would be the end of faith?
Happy Dog
>> you feel comfortable
>
> Personally, I'm glad there's other life in the Universe which is more
> intelligent than human beings. It's good to know that they will carry on
> after civilization on Earth is gone.
What makes your belief different than the hallucinations of a crazy person?
moo
Happy Dog
Gullibility on the part of the people that believe those claims.
moo
Happy Dog
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:13:27 -0400, Happy Dog wrote:
>
>> "www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote in message
>> news:
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:48:38 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> YAWN.
>>
>> Brilliant. You are an intellectual eunuch who crosses swords with
>> betters
>> that you hope to drink with. You are bereft of company as is evidenced
>> by
>> the total lack of support for a single idea you've posted. Nobody cares.
>> Killfile the entire planet.
>>
>> moo
>
> Welcome to our resident kook Alexa Cameron:
>
> To know more about this year long spammer and delusional fuckwit see:
>
> http://www.insurgent.org/~kook-faq/search.php?query=cameron
That's dedication. Where are you posting from. (Please keep her there.)
moo
Dr. Flonkenstein
She's been haunting AAV long years before a kook alert was posted to AUK.
When sober she snecks other groups than AAV, otherwise she doesn't care
about the new line. When extremely drunk she even posts to AUK only.
Art Deco
Alexa Cameron (Kook of the Year 2004) inhabits the primary saucerhead
froups alt.alien.visitors and alt.alien.research, but loves to troll
far and wide across usenet in hopes of hooking unsuspecting souls with
her saucerhead pseudoscientific screeds.
--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
"Don't be too envious. Yes, I have got it all. I am rich, I
have a good education, and I am rather good looking .. so
where does that leave you?
C."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne polishes his ego a bit
"That's what you expect from people who think that the
cyberworld isn't "RL"."
-- Dr. David Tholen, Psychic Astrologer
"The original human being was a female hermaphrodite with
both male and female genitalia."
-- Alexa Cameron, Kook of the Year 2004
Happy Dog
> "Nosterill" <ro...@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
> news:1123943502.7...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>I can't, but then I am not persuaded that there is hard evidence of
>> this. Since you are, apparently, persuaded perhaps you would care to
>> propose a mechanism?
>>
> A very wise man ones said: I know that I know nothing and that is my
> greatest knowledge.
And it was so stupid and annoying that he was forced to drink Hemlock.
Babies know who their mother is. It takes much less than a fully
functioning brain to recoil from hot objects. And, redefining words to suit
your purpose was adorable when Alice did it but, otherwise, it's a sign of
immaturity or stupidity.
> Science deals in facts with a very limited knowledge. Someone once did ask
> if a rock has life. Of course not would be the logical answer. But then,
> we only know one life form. How do we know that there is not another life
> form?
> Not long ago we would have ridiculed a person who made the suggestion that
> anti matter exists. How do we know that there is not another universe? How
> do we know that there is not a place called eternity where time does not
> exists? In fact. if we look at true prophesies, could it be that those
> Prophets were allowed to look at eternity? How do we know that there is
> not a spiritual world just as there is a physical world? How do we know
> that a persons spirit can't leave a body and goes into the Body of an
> unborn baby.
> There are many things we don't know. But to dismiss such things which we
> can't understand with our very limited knowledge is foolishness. To do so
> we elevate ourselves into an all knowing God.
> In the creation story we read that the fall of man was eating the fruit
> from the tree of Knowledge. Is there a knowledge which we are not supposed
> to have? Is it not a fact that having all knowledge would be the end of
> faith?
Burned yourself lately?
moo
george
It's just another scam.
Read up on cold reading
You die. In 10 minutes or so your brain is the conistency of tapioca
pudding!
Michael Gray
wrote:
>
You assert that they *can remember*.
I assert that they merely *say* they can remember.
Big difference, you know.
Andre
body, and as another wrote and sorry for my englsih and please do not
think I am a french from France I hate them. he say nothing is created
and nothing is lost . If you never have pressentiment in all your
life, if you never have been shure a certain thing have happened to
you before it happen, you are probablely the only one in this
newsgroup who never have that happen
my two cents
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>Science deals in facts with a very limited knowledge.
WRONG. Dead wrong.
Science deals with repeating observations which can be weighed or measured.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>Science deals in facts with a very limited knowledge.
WRONG. Dead wrong.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>Science deals in facts with a very limited knowledge.
WRONG. Dead wrong.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us>
It's not a belief.
>
>moo
>
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"H Dickmann" <HER...@bigpond.com> wrote in
Like 911, the war in Iraq?
>
>moo
>
Michael Gray
Not particularly.
In fact I dislike them both immensely.
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:04:45 GMT, www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
There's a good cure for greed, arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.
Happy Dog
So you don't believe that there's other life in the universe?
moo
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote in
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:17:17 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us>
>>>>> you feel comfortable
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'm glad there's other life in the Universe which is more
>>>> intelligent than human beings. It's good to know that they will carry
>>>> on
>>>> after civilization on Earth is gone.
>>>
>>>What makes your belief different than the hallucinations of a crazy
>>>person?
>>
>> It's not a belief.
>
>So you don't believe that there's other life in the universe?
I'm not a believer.
>
>moo
>
Art Deco
"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm <tro...@R.us>", wrote:
And that cure is ... tequila!
Dr. Flonkenstein
> Alexa Cameron aka Tequila Titz, currently posting as
> "www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm <tro...@R.us>", wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:56:12 +0930, Michael Gray <fle...@newsguy.spam.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:04:45 GMT, www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>>><tro...@R.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"H Dickmann" <HER...@bigpond.com> wrote in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nosterill" <ro...@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1123854211....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> You can't prove a negative, but since there is no real evidence for a
>>>>>>> "spirit", let alone its' supposed immortality, and no plausible
>>>>>>> proposals for a mechanism for independant "spirit" survival then it
>>>>>>> must be considered highly improbable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you explain that people can remember a previous life and describe
>>>>>> in details places where they have never been or have heard off?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gullibility on the part of the people that believe those claims.
>>>>
>>>>Like 911, the war in Iraq?
>>>
>>>Not particularly.
>>>In fact I dislike them both immensely.
>>
>>There's a good cure for greed, arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.
>
> And that cure is ... tequila!
TEQUILA!!!!!1!!!!@!!!!
Art Deco
TEQUILA!!!!!2!!!!@!!!!
Mjiffed Norse
ususpecting souls can "suck it"...
> with
> her saucerhead pseudoscientific screeds.
>
hammerhead pseudorandom steeds?
Mjiffed Norse
> "Michael Davis Disorder" <fart...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:11fnjdg...@news.supernews.com...
>
>>Don Freeman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>I was being facetious. Please do try to keep up, next time.
>>>
>>> I wasn't. And I have no intention of "keeping up" with someone going
>>>downhill.
>>
>>Your IKYABWAI lame is noted and laughed at.
>
>
> As strange as it may seem, I am not too concerned about the opinions of
> someone who hides behind an alias.
>
I'm quite famous in some circles, actually.
Mjiffed Norse
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:18:21 -0400, Michael Davis Disorder
> <fart...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>
>>Wally Anglesea wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:48:05 GMT, www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>>><tro...@R.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:44:47 GMT, "Jim Oberg" <james...@houston.rr.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm" <tro...@R.us> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>I wonder if NASA let Klass see the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom
>>>>>>Lake.
>>>>>
>>>>>You are a wonder, indeed. Your friends and relatives snicker when
>>>>>you preach to them about UFOs, and they are right to do so.
>>>>
>>>>Baloney, 86% of the people already accept extraterrestrial presence as
>>>>self-evident. That would be preaching to the choir.
>>>
>>>Baloney. 86% of your brain cells are atrophied, Alexa
>>
>>If 100% of them were, you'd probably be even more likely to respond, having
>>finally found someone dumber than yourself to measure your Freudian
>>Projections against.
>
>
> Woah, I'm sooooooo cut. NOT.
>
> So you believe, along with Alexa, that there is a sekrit alien saucer
> at Groom lake?
I don't believe much in anything. I'm a skeptic.
I *do* believe that anybody who hasn't passed Al*xa off as a bot or a
retarded chimpanzee, must be some kind of sadistic lemming.
Thanks for asking, we've made such progress here today.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHH!
Your goat appears to have hoarsethroat.
Happy Dog
Judging by the lunacy of your past posts, the planet is probably a safe
place because of this.
moo
Happy Dog
> Wally Anglesea™ wrote:
>> So you believe, along with Alexa, that there is a sekrit alien saucer
>> at Groom lake?
>
> I don't believe much in anything. I'm a skeptic.
>
> I *do* believe that anybody who hasn't passed Al*xa off as a bot or a
> retarded chimpanzee, must be some kind of sadistic lemming.
Which sounds like you're setting up real skeptics for a diss when they
disagree with something you believe in.
moo
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
wrote:
>"Mjiffed Norse" <dont...@mymouth.bitch> wrote
Like killing billions of people over bogus religions, like christianity
>
>moo
>
www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>Alexa Cameron aka Tequila Titz, currently posting as
>"www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm <tro...@R.us>", wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:56:12 +0930, Michael Gray <fle...@newsguy.spam.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:04:45 GMT, www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
>>><tro...@R.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:18:03 -0400, "Happy Dog" <happ...@sympatico.ca>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"H Dickmann" <HER...@bigpond.com> wrote in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Nosterill" <ro...@davinoptronics.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1123854211....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> You can't prove a negative, but since there is no real evidence for a
>>>>>>> "spirit", let alone its' supposed immortality, and no plausible
>>>>>>> proposals for a mechanism for independant "spirit" survival then it
>>>>>>> must be considered highly improbable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you explain that people can remember a previous life and describe
>>>>>> in details places where they have never been or have heard off?
>>>>>
>>>>>Gullibility on the part of the people that believe those claims.
>>>>
>>>>Like 911, the war in Iraq?
>>>
>>>Not particularly.
>>>In fact I dislike them both immensely.
>>
>>There's a good cure for greed, arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.
>
>And that cure is ... tequila!
Still bearing false witness against your neighbor, right?
HUMAN RIGHTS AND
DEVOLVING STANDARDS OF DECENCY
Published in Athens Human Rights Festival, p. 3 (April 20-21, 2002).
In 1958 in Trop v. Dulles the U. S. Supreme Court, construing the Bill of
Rights provision prohibiting cruel and unusual punishments, struck down a
statute under which American soldiers convicted of desertion in wartime were
to be stripped of their American citizenship. In his classic opinion for
the Court, Chief Justice Warren stated that the Bill of Rights provision at
issue, the Eighth Amendment of the U. S. Constitution, "must draw its
meaning from the evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a
maturing society."
Warren was correct. Due process, free speech, all human rights, as well as
the humanitarian values they enshrine, originate in the evolving standards
of decency that are the milestones of human social progress. Today,
however, all across America, we see alarming signs of the devolving
standards of decency which mark the decline of a decaying society.
We see increasing concentrations of wealth in the hands of a few. We see
megacorporations dominating the economy and more and more oligopoly and less
and less competition. We see a crime control establishment transforming the
nation into a police state with a vast prison system. We see a huge
military and intelligence establishment. We see racial profiling, police
brutality and corruption, and executions of juveniles, the retarded, and the
poor. We see over 100 innocent persons released from death row, nearly
murdered by government. We see inadequate housing and medical care for
millions, the destruction of the social safety net, and a U. S. Supreme
Court stacked with justices who steadily erode individual rights and almost
always rule in favor of the government. We see the destruction of privacy
rights, the McDonaldization and the material cost-benefit analysis of
everything, and the enthronement of plutocratic notions of private property.
In 1950 four social scientists published a book, The Authoritarian
Personality, which studied the potentially fascistic individual, i.e., "one
whose structure is such as to render him particularly susceptible to
anti-democratic propaganda." The scientists discovered that authoritarian
personalities not only show "extreme susceptibility to fascist propaganda,"
but also "have a great deal in common." The manifestations of this
anti-democratic syndrome include: (1) Conventionalism ("rigid adherence to
conventional, middle-class values"); (2) Authoritarian submission
("submissive, uncritical attitude toward idealized moral authorities of the
ingroup"); (3) Authoritarian aggression ("tendency to be on the lookout for,
and to condemn, reject, and punish people who violate conventional values");
(4) Anti-intraception ("opposition to the subjective, the imaginative, the
tender-minded"); (5) Superstition and stereotypy ("disposition to think in
rigid categories"); (6) Power and toughness ("exaggerated assertion of
strength and toughness"); (7) Destructiveness and cynicism ("generalized
hostility; vilification of the human"); (8) Projectivity ("disposition to
believe that wild and dangerous things go on in the world"); and (9) Sex
("exaggerated concern with sexual goings-on").
You don't have to be Einstein to realize that the right-wing mentality and
the authoritarian personality are intertwined, or that authoritarian
personalities tend to become right-wingers, including fascists and fascist
supporters. In their political positioning, writings, speeches, and
activities, right-wingers typically display an authoritarian personality's
politics. Smugness; no sympathy for the poor or ghettoized; no compassion
for the oppressed or underprivileged; draconian severity toward "criminals";
fondness for capital punishment; slavish deference to police lawlessness; a
Social-Darwinist, survival of the fittest ethos; a bottom-line mentality;
kowtowing to corporate wealth; enthusiastic support for the
military-industrial complex; chauvinistic patriotism; a religious
fundamentalism which emphasizes stern Old Testament harshness and consigns
most of humanity to eternal punishment inflicted by a wrathful deity;
hostility to homosexuals and gay rights; a pathological obsession with
homosexual sex and even with Bill Clinton's sex life - these are elements of
an illiberal mindset estranged from concern for liberty, freedom, and
justice.
Today's devolving standards of decency are understandable. They flow from
the increasing influence in our society of right-wingers, the political
embodiments of the authoritarian personality. This country has for years
increasingly been breeding persons with anti-democratic trends. These
persons, as The Authoritarian Personality notes, "pose a grave threat to our
traditional values and institutions."
The United States is now the West's incubator of authoritarian
personalities.
Why has there been a burgeoning of authoritarian personality individuals in
America? Answering this question would require a gigantic treatise on the
scale of Oswald Spengler's The Decline of the West.
Whatever the reasons for the surge of Americans with illiberal proclivities,
the painful truth is that the United States of America, a republic founded
by liberals on liberal principles, enters the 21st century befouled by
devolving standards of decency that mark the decline of a decaying society
with a weakening commitment to human rights.
http://www.law.uga.edu/academics/profiles/dwilkes_more/33devolving.html
Nosterill
H Dickmann wrote:
<snip>
> Is there a knowledge which we are not supposed to
> have?
Nope. We should go after it all.
>Is it not a fact that having all knowledge would be the end of faith?
Looks like a win,win to me.
Mjiffed Norse
I believe that beliefs are self-imposed illusions used as crutches by
those who fear uncertainty.
Whichever "real skeptic" wants to debate that topic with me and lose for
the umpteenth time, I care not.
I have known of less than 5 actual skeptics on usenet in 15 years. The
most recent I have known of is "Kavik Kang". "the_sage" is also worthy
of a mention, i suppose.
Happy Dog
>>>I *do* believe that anybody who hasn't passed Al*xa off as a bot or a
>>>retarded chimpanzee, must be some kind of sadistic lemming.
>>
>>
>> Which sounds like you're setting up real skeptics for a diss when they
>> disagree with something you believe in.
>
> I believe that beliefs are self-imposed illusions used as crutches by
> those who fear uncertainty.
>
> Whichever "real skeptic" wants to debate that topic with me and lose for
> the umpteenth time, I care not.
>
> I have known of less than 5 actual skeptics on usenet in 15 years. The
> most recent I have known of is "Kavik Kang". "the_sage" is also worthy of
> a mention, i suppose.
"Uncertainty" isn't a great problem for skeptics.
moo