The Thoughts Of Wernher Von Braun. Parts 1and 2 of 2 of 2. and Raymond Moody On Coasttocoastam Radion Show.
John Winston
Jan. 5, 2010.
Please let me start off by saying that I have
a great respect for Wernher Von Braun. Here are
some of his ideas.
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http://www.rense.com/general89/rose.htm
The Testimony Of Dr. Carol R-sin
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Dr. Carol Ro-in was the first woman corporate
manager of F-irchild Industries and was
spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun in the last
years of his life. She founded the Institute for
S-curity and Cooperation in Outer Space in
Washington DC and has testified before C-ngress on
many occasions about space based w-apons. Von
Braun revealed to Dr. Ros-n a plan to justify
weapons in spaced based on hoaxing an
extraterrestrial threat. She was also present at
meetings in the '70s when the scenario for theulf
War of the '90s was planned.
Testimony Of December 2000
My name is Carol Rosi-. I am an educator who
became the first woman corporate manager of an
Aerospace Company Fa-rchild Industries. I am a
Space and Missile D-fense Consultant and have
consulted to a number of companies organizations
and g-vernment departments even the in-elligence
community. I was a consultant to T-W working on
the MX m-ssile so I was part of that strategy
which turned out to be a role model for how to
sell space-based weapons to the public. The MX
m-s-ile is yet another we-pon system that we
didn't need.
I founded the Institute for Se-urity and
Cooperation in Outer Space a Washington DC based
think tank. I am an author and have testified
before Co-gress and the P-esident's Commission on
Space.
When I was a Corporate Manager of Fai-child
Industries from 1974 through 1977 I met the late
Dr. Wernher Von Braun. We first met in early 1974.
At that time Von Braun was dying of c-ncer but he
assured me that he would live a few more years to
tell me about the game that was being played- that
game being the effort to we-ponize space to
control the Earth from space and space itself. Von
Braun had a history of working with wea-ons
systems. He escaped from Germany to come to this
country and became a Vice Pre-ident of Fai-child
Industries when I had met him. Von Braun's purpose
during the last years of his life his d-ing years
was to educate the public and decision-makers
about why space-based weap-ns are dumb, dangerous,
destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary,
unworkable and an undesirable idea and about the
alternatives that are available.
As practically a de-thbed speech he educated me
about those concepts and who the players were in
this game. He gave me the responsibility since he
was dy-ng of continuing this effort to prevent the
weap-nization of outer space. When Wernher Von
Braun was dyi-g of ca-cer he asked me to be his
spokesperson to appear on occasions when he was
too ill to speak. I did this.
What was most interesting to me was a repetitive
sentence that he said to me over and over again
during the approximately four years that I had the
opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy
that was being used to educate the public and
decision makers was to use scare tactics. That
was how we identify an enemy.
The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was
that first the Russians are going to be considered
to be the enemy. In fact in 1974 they were the
enemy the identified enemy. We were told that they
had "k-ller satellites". We were told that they
were coming to get us and control us that they
were "Commies."
Then t-rrorists would be identified and that was
soon to follow. We heard a lot about te-rorism.
Then we were going to identify third-world country
"crazies." We now call them Nations of Concern.
But he said that would be the third enemy against
whom we would build space-based we-pons.
The next enemy was asteroids. Now at this point he
kind of chuckled the first time he said it.
Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build
space-based weapons.
And the funniest one of all was what he called
aliens extraterrestrials.
That would be the final scare. And over and over
and over during the four years that I knew him and
was giving speeches for him he would bring up that
last card. "And remember Carol the last card is
the alien card. We are going to have to build
space-based weapons against aliens and all of it
is a lie."
I think I was too naive at that time to know the
seriousness of the nature of the spin that was
being put on the system. And now the pieces are
starting to fall into place. We are building a
space-based weap-ns system on a premise that is a
lie, a spin. Wernher Von Braun was trying to hint
that to me back in the early 70's and right up
until the moment when he d-ed in 1977.
What he told me was that there is an accelerated
effort in place. He didn't mention a timeline but
he said that it was going to be speeding up faster
than anybody could possibly imagine. That the
effort to put -eapons into space was not only
based on a lie but would accelerate past the point
of people even understanding it until it was
already up there and too late.
When Von Braun was d-ing in front of me the very
first day that I met him he had tubes draining out
of his side. He was tapping on the desk telling me
"You will come to Fai-child." I was a
schoolteacher. He said "You will come to Fairc-ild
and you will be responsible for keeping weap-ns
out of space." The way he said it with this
intenseness in his eyes and added that very first
day the first time I met him that space-based
w-apons were a dangerous, destabilizing, too
costly, unnecessary, untestable, unworkable idea.
The last card that was being held was the
extraterrestrial enemy card. The intensity with
which he said that made me realize that he knew
something that he was too afraid to mention. He
was too afraid to talk about it. He would not tell
me the details. I am not sure that I would have
absorbed them if he had told me the details or
even believed him in 1974. But there was no
question that that man knew and had a need to know
I found out later.
There is no doubt in my mind that Wernher Von
Braun knew about the extraterrestrial issue. He
explained to me the reasons why we-pons were going
to be put into space the enemies against whom we
were going to build these weapons and that all of
that was a lie. He mentioned that
extraterrestrials were going to be identified as
the final enemy against whom we were going to
build space-based weapons back in 1974. The way
he said it to me there was no doubt in my mind
that he knew something that he was too afraid to
talk about.
Wernher Von Braun never spoke to me about any of
the details that he knew related to
extraterrestrials except that one day
extraterrestrials were going to be identified as
an enemy against whom we are going to build an
enormous space-based wea-ons system. Wernher Von
Braun actually told me that the spin was a lie
that the premise for space-based weaponry the
reasons that were going to be given the enemies
that we were going to identify were all based on a
lie.
I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue
for about 26 years. I have debated Ge-erals and
Co-gressional Representatives. I have testified
before the Con-ress and the S-nate. I have met
with people in over 100 countries. But I have not
been able to identify who the people are who are
making this space-based weap-ns system happen. I
see the news. I see the administrative decisions
being made. I know that they are all based on lies
and greed.
But I have yet to be able to identify who the
people are. That is after tracking this issue for
26 years. I know that there are big sec-ets being
kept and I know that it is time the public and
decision-makers pay attention to the people who
are now going to be disclosing the truth. Then we
need to make some definite changes and build a
system in space that will benefit every single
person and all of the animals and the environment
of this planet. The technology is there. The
solutions to Earth's urgent and long-term
potential problems are there. I have a feeling
that once we start studying this extraterrestrial
issue all of the questions are going to be
answered that I have had for 26 years.
But I have concluded that it is based on a few
people making a lot of money and gaining power. It
is about ego. It is not about our essence and who
we really are on this planet and loving each other
and being at peace and cooperating. It isn't about
using technology to solve problems and h-al
people in the planet. It isn't about that. It is
about a few people who really are playing an old,
dangerous, costly game for their own pocketbooks
and power struggle. That is all it is.
I believe that this entire space-based weap-ns
game is initiated right here in the U-ited States
of America. What I hope is that with this
information that is being disclosed the new
administration will to do what is right. That is
to transform the w-r game into a space game so
that we use the technologies that are available
not just as spin-offs of wa- technology but as
direct technological applications to build a
cooperative space system that will benefit the
entire world and that will allow us to communicate
with the extraterrestrial cultures that are
obviously out there.
Part 1.
John Winston. joh...@mlode.com
Subject: The Thoughts Of Wernher Von Braun.
Part 2 of 2. Jan. 5, 2010.
This concludes his thoughts.
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Who would benefit from these space-based w-apons? They
are the people who work in that arena people in the
m-litary, in industries, in universities and labs in
the in-elligence community. This is not just in the
U-ited States but it is worldwide. This is a worldwide
cooperative system. W-rs are cooperative. Just as peace
will be when it breaks out. But right now there are a
lot of people benefiting. This is what our economy has
been based on in this country and spreading around the
world- war. People suffer as a result. It is not fair.
It never has been. People have screamed: "out of swords
let us build plow shares let's have peace and hold
hands around the world" but it hasn't worked because
too many people are benefiting.
Not only are they benefiting financially but from what
my experience is there are people who actually believe
that Armageddon should happen so we have to have these
w-rs.
So it is going from the pocketbook to the r-ligious
right: some people actually believe that we have to
have wa-s for these re-igious reasons. There are people
who just love -ar. I have met w-rriors who just love to
go to w-r. Then there are the good people the soldiers
who just take orders. They have to feed their children
and send them to college so they want to keep their
jobs. People in laboratories have told me that they
don't want to work on these technologies for wa- but if
they don't they won't get a paycheck. Who is going to
pay them? But what I see is that there are not only
dual uses for these technologies but there are many
uses for the same technologies.
We can build space hospitals, schools, hotels
laboratories, farms, industries. It may sound far out
but if we don't do that we are going to build battle
stations and we-pons pointed down all of our throats
and into space. Apparently we have been doing some of
that already. We have a choice now that can be made. We
can all benefit all of the people in the mil-tary
industrial complex in the int-lligence community in
universities and labs in the Un-ted States and all over
the world we can all benefit. We can just transform
that industry so easily with just a decision based on
our highest consciousness our s-irituality and on the
fact that we have no choice unless we all want to d-e.
And we don't. So we can all benefit financially
spi-itually, socially, psychologically it is
technologically and p-litically feasible to transform
this game now and everybody will benefit.
In 1977 I was at a meeting in F-irchild Industries in a
conference room called the W-r Room. In that room were
a lot of charts on the walls with enemies identified
enemies. There were other more obscure names names like
Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then
about t-rrorists the potential te0rorists. No one had
ever talked about this before but this was the next
stage after the Russians against whom we were going to
build these space-based wea-ons. I stood up in this
meeting and I said "Excuse me why are we talking about
these potential enemies against whom we are going to
build space-based weap-ns if in fact we know that they
are not the enemy at this time?"
Well they continued the conversation about how they
were going to antagonize these enemies and that at some
point there was going to be a -ar in the Gulf a Gulf
W-r. Now this is 1977 1977! And they were talking about
creating a wa- in the Gulf Region when there was 25
billion dollars in the space-based wea-ons program that
had yet to be identified. It wasn't called the
Strategic D-fense Initiative at least. Not until 1983.
This wea-ons system then had obviously been going on
for some time and I didn't know anything about. So I
stood up in this meeting in 1977 and said "I would like
to know why we are talking about space-based weap-ns
against these enemies. I would like to know more about
this. Would someone please tell me what this is about?"
Nobody answered. They just went on with this meeting as
though I hadn't said anything.
Suddenly I stood up in the room and said "If nobody can
tell me why you are planning a -ar in the Gulf when
there is a certain amount of money in a budget so that
you can create the next set of weapo-s systems that
will be the beginning of the sell to the public about
why we need space-based w-apons then consider this: my
resignation. And you will not hear from me again!" And
nobody said a word because they were planning a wa- in
the Gulf and it happened exactly as they planned it on
time.
The room was filled with people in the revolving door
game. There were people that I had seen once in a
mi-itary uniform and other times in a gray suit and an
industry outfit. These people play a revolving door
game. They work as consultants industry people and/or
mili-ary and int-lligence people. They work in the
industries and they revolve themselves through these
doors and right into gov-rnment positions.
I stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing
correctly. That when there was 25 billion dollars
expended in the space-based wea-ons budget that there
was going to be a -ar in the Gulf stimulated created so
that they could then sell the next phase of weap-ns to
the public and the decision-makers. This -ar was going
to be created so that they could dump the old we-pons
and create a whole new set of wea-ons. So I had to
resign from that position. I could no longer work in
that industry.
In about 1990 I was sitting in my living room looking
at the money that had been spent on space-based weap-ns
research and development programs and I realized that
it had come to that number about 25 billion dollars and
I said to my husband "I am now going to stop
everything. I am now going to stop and sit and watch
C-N television and I am going to wait for the wa- to
happen." My husband said "Well you have finally gone
over the edge. You have flipped out." Friends said "You
have really gone too far this time. There is not going
to be a w-r in the Gulf nobody is talking about a -ar
in the Gulf."
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I said "There is going to be a wa- in the Gulf. I am
going to sit here and wait for the w-r in the Gulf."
And it happened right on schedule.
As part of the w-r game in the Gulf we in the public
were told that the Un-ted States was successful in
shooting down Russian Scud Missiles. We were
rationalizing new budgets based on that success. In
fact we found out later after the budgets were approved
for the next phase of wea-ons that it was a lie. We did
not have successful shoot-downs the way we were told.
It was all a lie just to get more money put in the
budget to make more weapo-s.
I was one of the first people to go independently to
Russia when I heard that they had "k-ller satellites."
When I went to Russia in the early 70's I found out
that they didn't have ki-ler satellites that it was a
lie. In fact the Russian leaders and people wanted
peace. They wanted to cooperate with the Uni-ed States
and with the people of the world...
(JW That's all the information I have on this subject
at the present time.)
Part 2 of 2.
John Winston. joh...@mlode.com
Subject: Raymond Moody On Coasttocoastam Radio Show.
Here is a person I heard lately on the Coasttocoastam
radio show. Jan. 7, 2010.
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