Roswell - missing nurse identified?
George Fergus
While perusing the recent Air Force report on Roswell, I noticed
something that I hadn't seen mentioned here, so I thought I would
post it. As you may recall, a nurse at the military base near
Roswell was claimed by mortician's assistant Glenn Dennis as
having witnessed the recovery of alien bodies.
Earlier, Dennis had told some investigators that the nurse's name
was "Naomi Maria Selff", that she came from St. Paul, Minnesota,
and that she was suddenly transferred to England a week or so
after the Roswell Incident. But no one has been able to find a
nurse of that name, or a nurse from St. Paul, or a nurse who was
transferred overseas. Subsequently, there has been speculation
that Dennis has not yet given her real name. In later interviews
he has refused to confirm that Selff was the nurse's name. Some
investigators who've spent a lot of time trying to find this
nurse, such as Kevin Randle, have started to think that she never
existed.
Now the Air Force thinks they have identified the nurse! They
found that a Lt. Eileen M. Fanton, a nurse who matched Dennis's
physical description and worked at the Roswell military base,
later served a tour of duty in England and received letters
through an APO address in New York. She was not transferred
directly overseas from Roswell, but did leave Roswell suddenly
on September 4, 1947, about 2 months after the Roswell Incident,
reportedly due to an unspecified "medical condition". She went
from Roswell to a hospital in Texas for treatment, and only some
years later served overseas, from 1952 to 1955, at which time
she could have written to Dennis as he claims. She is now
deceased, however, so cannot shed any light on the issue of
alien bodies.
-George
George Fergus
In other respects, I think the Air Force report makes a good
case for the thesis that Dennis confused people and events from
from 1947 with those from the 1950's, particularly with events
from a 1956 plane crash that involved badly burned bodies.
-George
David Rudiak
George Fergus <fer...@xnet.com> wrote:
The existence of Fanton is hardly news, but the Air Force seems to be pretending
that it's some startling new revelation. You can find a short bio and
photograph of her in the Fall 1995 edition of OMNI Magazine.
The main problem with Fanton is that she doesn't fit the general physical
description of Dennis' nurse from Dennis, and also David Wagnon, an independent
witness who worked at the base hospital as an orderly and who clearly remembers
a strikingly pretty, dark-haired young nurse there of Dennis' description whom
he had a crush on. Both Dennis and Wagnon described her as being a lieutenant
and around 22 or 23 years of age. But Fanton was born in 1916, which would
have made her 31 in 1947. The Air Force strikes out again.
Two other known Roswell nurses had higher ranks and were 35 and 42 in 1947.
Scratch them. The only known Roswell nurse close in age and rank to
Dennis'/Wagnon's nurse was 1st lieutenant Angele LaRue, who would have been 25
in 1947. There's no photo of her in OMNI, but they say she was born in
Montreal, probably making her some dark-haired French Canadian that might fit
the physical description. Montreal isn't exactly St. Paul, but it's up north,
and if Dennis deliberately mislead everybody about the name he might have done
the same about where she came from (it's also possible that maybe the family
lived in St. Paul They say she was transferred to Carswell AFB in Fort Worth,
but don't say exactly when, married an airman in 1948, and left active duty in
1949.
The only surviving known Roswell nurse at the time of the OMNI article was Lt.
Col. Rosemary McManus Brown (I don't know her rank in 1947, but she had only
been in the service 3 years). She was 32 in 1947 and recently died. Before her
death, she told OMNI that she wasn't aware of anything unusual going on at the
base hospital when she was on duty, or have any personal knowlege of a saucer
crash. But she added she had read about it, didn't discount the possibility,
and even called it plausible. She said she knew something very odd was going on
at the base and it was hushed up by base officials. Further, Roswell was the
type of base where everybody knew not to talk. Therefore, even if personnel
like pilots did know anything, they always kept their mouths shut around her,
and never told her directly. So dead end.
>In other respects, I think the Air Force report makes a good
>case for the thesis that Dennis confused people and events from
>from 1947 with those from the 1950's, particularly with events
>from a 1956 plane crash that involved badly burned bodies.
>-George
George, even the normally very skeptical Roswell/UFO mainstream press was
laughing at the Air Force's latest "final report." They considered the
reasoning and theories to be preposterous and wondered what in God's name ever
possessed the A.F. to come out with it.
Peter Kazlouski
George Fergus wrote:
> Peter Kazlouski wrote:
>
> > On a recent UNSOLVED MYSTERIES program, devoted entirely to UFOs, the nurse
> was
> > reported KILLED in a plane crash a few weeks later, while being transferred
> > outside the US. That was all that the program provided, did not include her
>
> > name.
>
> No record has been found of such a crash. However, according to Dennis, this
> plane crash was only a rumor he heard, after a postcard was returned to him
> marked "deceased" and he made inquiries if anyone knew what had happened to
> her.
>
> > Dennis indicated that he knew her before the Roswell incident, bumped into
> her
> > while leaving the base medical facility, as she and several doctor-types
> burst
> > out a door, all choking and gasping. The reenactment depicted her in an
> > extremely agitated condition, advised him to the effect of not getting
> involved.
>
> This sounds like what happened at the base hospital near Roswell after the
> KC-97 crash in 1956. The Air Force report describes body bags containing the
> blackened remains of burned human beings, two of whom had "loss of the
> lower extremities" and one of whom had a "face completely missing".
>
> There were also multiple fractures of the skull bones and detached hand and
> finger bones. The report states that during the initial attempt to identify
> the bodies, the odor became so strong that some of the personnel became ill,
> and the bodies had to be moved to a refrigerated compartment at the base
> commissary.
>
> > He later met her at some kind of food establishment, she described the
> > nonhuman beings, their eyes, hands, etc.
>
> According to Dennis, the nurse described one of the bodies as having eyes and
> nose that were sunken and concave, a skull that was pliable, a missing thumb,
> unusually shaped arm bones, etc., most of which exhibits a strong similarity
> to the Air Force descriptions of the appearance of the 1956 crash victims.
>
> Dennis also mentions the name of another nurse, Captain Wilson, the one to
> whom he made inquiries about the his friend the missing nurse. But only one
> nurse named Wilson served there, and not in 1947. She was head nurse of the
> surgical ward, stationed at the base from 1956 (at which time she was a
> captain) to 1960. (However her name became Wilson only after she got
> married in 1958.)
>
> Dennis also says that Captain Wilson's was tall and skinny, and that her
> nickname was "Slatts". The Wilson from 1958 was 5' 9" tall and thin, but
> was not nicknamed "Slatts". A nurse stationed there from 1947-1950 _was_
> nicknamed "Slatts", but this was because her name was Captain Lucille
> Slattery, not Captain Wilson. And Slattery was short, 5' 3". Dennis
> appears to have confused two different Chief Nurses, one from 1947 and
> one from no earlier than 1956.
>
> Dennis also mentions being escorted away by a big red-haired officer, but the
> Air Force report says that the only tall red-headed officer they could find
> record of at the base hospital was Col. Lee Ferrell, who was stationed there
> as hospital commander from 1954-1960. Dennis also says that the red-haired
> officer was working with a black sergeant, even though the Air Force was
> racially segregated until 1949. Dennis also states that he was at the base
> the day of the autopsy because he was transporting an injured "airman" to
> the hospital, but the Air Force says that this designation did not come into
> use until 1952.
>
> In an interview with Stanton Friedman, Dennis also mentions another witness
> to some of these events, a pediatrician stationed at the base hospital whose
> name Dennis does not remember but whom he remembers having set up a practice
> in Farmington, N.M., after leaving military service. The Air Force says
> their records show only one physician having relocated to Farmington after
> leaving service. He is Captain Frank Nordstrom, and was indeed Chief of
> Pediatric Services at the base near Roswell. But he was there from
> 1951-1953, not in 1947.
>
> These are the reasons why I said the Air Force seems to have made a good
> case that Dennis has mixed up events and people from the 1950's with events
> and people from 1947. I don't see any other way to explain all the
> discrepancies in his account.
>
> I think it is possible that Dennis actually did talk to a badly-shaken nurse
> after the awful crash in 1956, and has confused this still-unidentified nurse
> with the one who left the base suddenly in 1947 and sent him a postcard from
> London.
>
> -George
I only relay what I saw on the TV program, which certainly doesnt make me any
kind of expert. I MUST severely doubt anything the Air Force says about the
Roswell coverup. If they claim Dennis is wrong, I must AUTOMATICALLY conclude
they are lieing, based on their other lies and refusal to release information.
That does not automatically mean Dennis is correct, but it sure doesnt hurt.
Considering all their lies about the spaceship debris and relatively intact
spaceship, and even their own press release, AND the MJ-12 directive requiring
them to deliberately lie to the public, I prefer other sources when seeking
truth.
Andreas Jonson
> Considering all their lies about the spaceship debris and relatively intact
> spaceship, and even their own press release, AND the MJ-12 directive requiring
> them to deliberately lie to the public, I prefer other sources when seeking
> truth.
Hmm... they lied about these things? When ever did they say that there was
a spaceship (intact or otherwise), or that the MJ-12 documents were not a
hoax?
Those statements would be lies, you know.
Ax.
--
- I used to be indecisive; now I'm not so sure. -
michael berglin
In a recent show regarding Roswell -- seems that they interview'd the
Mortician who was at the air base. He never did mention the nurse's name
-- only that he got a letter from the Army saying that she had been killed
in a plane crash overseas when he kept trying to contact her.
Wasn't he romantically involved with her?
Does anyone else know anything more?
Andreas Jonson <*@*.*.*> wrote in article
<*-ya02408000R06...@news.nada.kth.se>...
> In article <3410BB7F...@erols.com>, pete...@erols.com wrote:
>
> > Considering all their lies about the spaceship debris and relatively
intact
> > spaceship, and even their own press release, AND the MJ-12 directive
requiring
> > them to deliberately lie to the public, I prefer other sources when
seeking
> > truth.
>
Stanley A. Nelson
michael berglin wrote:
>
> In a recent show regarding Roswell -- seems that they interview'd the
> Mortician who was at the air base. He never did mention the nurse's name
> -- only that he got a letter from the Army saying that she had been killed
> in a plane crash overseas when he kept trying to contact her.
>
> Wasn't he romantically involved with her?
>
> Does anyone else know anything more?
>
> Andreas Jonson <*@*.*.*> wrote in article
> <*-ya02408000R06...@news.nada.kth.se>...
> > In article <3410BB7F...@erols.com>, pete...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> intact
> > > spaceship, and even their own press release, AND the MJ-12 directive
> requiring
> > > them to deliberately lie to the public, I prefer other sources when
> seeking
> > > truth.
> >
> was
> > a spaceship (intact or otherwise), or that the MJ-12 documents were not a
> > hoax?
> >
> > Those statements would be lies, you know.
> >
> >
> > Ax.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - I used to be indecisive; now I'm not so sure. -
> >
Stan in (Roswell, NM) replies:
The best info on the subject about the 'missing' nurse is probably in
the latest Air Force book "The Roswell Report: Case Closed". I think
they hit the truth of Dennis's far-out claims.
A friend of mine has a ex-mother-in-law who worked at the Roswell Army
Air Base (later 'Walker AFB') through that period including 1947. She
had told him that they never heard, saw, experienced anything and it was
pretty much a 'quiet week in Lake Wobegon'.
Steven Kaeser
Stanley A. Nelson wrote:
> michael berglin wrote:
> >
> > In a recent show regarding Roswell -- seems that they interview'd the
> > Mortician who was at the air base. He never did mention the nurse's name
> > -- only that he got a letter from the Army saying that she had been killed
> > in a plane crash overseas when he kept trying to contact her.
> >
> > Wasn't he romantically involved with her?
> >
> > Does anyone else know anything more?
[Text deleted for brevity]
> Stan in (Roswell, NM) replies:
>
> The best info on the subject about the 'missing' nurse is probably in
> the latest Air Force book "The Roswell Report: Case Closed". I think
> they hit the truth of Dennis's far-out claims.
>
> A friend of mine has a ex-mother-in-law who worked at the Roswell Army
> Air Base (later 'Walker AFB') through that period including 1947. She
> had told him that they never heard, saw, experienced anything and it was
> pretty much a 'quiet week in Lake Wobegon'.
While attending Encounters '97 in Roswell I met a number of locals residents, and
some who had come back to their home town for the event to see relatives. One
interesting person talked about her grandfather, who was a fireman in Roswell in
1947, and she indicated that he still refuses to speak about what happened that
week on the grounds of "national security". Even if it was only a "weather
balloon" that caused the issuance of the famous press release, I would find it
doubtful that local residents couldn't recall the event.
"The Roswell Report: Case Closed" is an interesting report, but tends to draw on
annecdotal evidence and speculation about as heavily as most good UFO tales. A
lot of good research has taken place to try and locate the "nurse" in question,
and while other nurses have been identified (and at least one interviewed), the
nurse that Dennis recollects has not been found. There are many UFOlogists that
had already begun to doubt some aspects of his story, long before the Air Force
weighed in on the matter.