Area 51 Break-in?
Andy_...@hotmail.com
From: andy_morgan@hotmail_com@catslair.megalinx.net (Andy_...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Area 51 Break-in?
Organization: T.H.E. Cats Lair BBS
Hello.
Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
WORLD!!
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g&g
Calm down Andy! Give it a rest. Ask yourself some solid questions and do
some solid reading. If what you believe is true, why in the world is it
being kept secret? This would be the discovery of the century and would be
impossible to keep secret for 50 years. There must be hundreds of folks
over the 50 years who must have studied this stuff and not one of them has
smuggled in a camera or leaked credible information to the outside world?
Come on, Andy, it's a hoax and nothing more. All of the scientific and
skeptical inquiries into the Roswell incident and Area 51 have proven over
and over that the witnesses are not credible, they contradict each other or
come up with stories years after the incident, etc. I recommend you go to
the library and check out the periodical "Skeptical Inquirer" and read
every issue that has had anything to do with Area 51 or Roswell before you
go running off to take your holy stand and make a fool of yourself.
You may find some information that makes your 1% uncertainty a little
larger and starts you on the path of not being led around by folks who know
nothing but want you to think they do.
Plus, what "right" do you have to know anything by force? If someone has
indeed decided to keep this amazing information from all of us, do you
actually believe you have a "right" to change that decision? On what
grounds do you base such a "right?" And, why would you want to go barging
in when there is so much information available to you by doing some simple
research in your nice quite library?
Why not take upon yourself to write a paper on the subject. Pretend you
are in a college course that requires you to write a paper on this subject
and one of the rules is that you must have an equal number of references
for both sides of the issue. In other words, for each reference you quote
from a source that is certain the government is hiding something, you must
also have a reference refuting that claim. And you can't cheat by reading
10 books that support your belief and then read only one book refuting it
but quoting it 10 times. Force yourself, just this once, to actually look
at ALL the evidence. While you are doing this constantly ask yourself this
one question - "Which of these two viewpoints is most likely?" In other
words, like the question I asked earlier about "why is this information
being kept secret?" you would look at the arguments on one side that says
the government is out to protect us, or they don't want mass panic, or
there is a conspiracy, or whatever. Then you will see the arguments
against the secret such as it would be the most amazingly successful
cover-up in history, or it would be the most interesting information to
give out to scientists to study, or we could really advance our knowledge
in many areas by making it public, or whatever. Then ask yourself, "Which
of these two viewpoints is most likely?" You may be surprised.
Bighead
area 51 workers where exposed to toxic chemicals. If you can grab a
sample of the soil. If you make it out or even survive. Give the sample
to the workers lawyers. That would get better press and support from
everyone than if you just went for the UFO's. Keep low move fast and
where camo. Good Luck.
Wayne Andrews
Andy_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
> secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
> Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
> believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
> planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
> to go as far into the base as I can get.
Andy,
Tempted as I am to say break into that base and bring back the secrets -
don't do it is basically what I do have to say.
You will in all propability be jained and/or shot and probably won't find
out an awful lot. I believe that 'things' have gone on in Area 51, but
it's way to much in the public eye for things to be going on now.
The are a lot of other, more secret, bases out there - this is where
things are happening, but to uncover these sites it's going to take long
hard research, not breaking in and seeing how far you can get.
Kind Regards
Wayne.
norsegod
Andy_...@hotmail.com (Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>From: andy_morgan@hotmail_com@catslair.megalinx.net (Andy_...@hotmail.com)
>Subject: Area 51 Break-in?
>Organization: T.H.E. Cats Lair BBS
>
>
>Hello.
>
>
>Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
>to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
>maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
>trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
>might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
>hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>
>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>WORLD!!
>
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I have already proposed a march on Area 51 a few days ago. Breaking
in by yourself would be stupid - the govt would kill you on the spot
(despite this supposedly being a nation "of the people, by the people
and for the people" - WHAT A TOTAL JOKE!!!!
norsegod
"g&g" <gri...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>Calm down Andy! Give it a rest. Ask yourself some solid questions and do
>some solid reading. If what you believe is true, why in the world is it
>being kept secret? This would be the discovery of the century and would be
>impossible to keep secret for 50 years. There must be hundreds of folks
>over the 50 years who must have studied this stuff and not one of them has
>smuggled in a camera or leaked credible information to the outside world?
>Come on, Andy, it's a hoax and nothing more. All of the scientific and
>skeptical inquiries into the Roswell incident and Area 51 have proven over
>and over that the witnesses are not credible, they contradict each other or
>come up with stories years after the incident, etc. I recommend you go to
>the library and check out the periodical "Skeptical Inquirer" and read
>every issue that has had anything to do with Area 51 or Roswell before you
>go running off to take your holy stand and make a fool of yourself.
>
Everyone has their own "facts" - only going to the place would settle
this.
>You may find some information that makes your 1% uncertainty a little
>larger and starts you on the path of not being led around by folks who know
>nothing but want you to think they do.
Are you a govt. employee?
>
>Plus, what "right" do you have to know anything by force? If someone has
>indeed decided to keep this amazing information from all of us, do you
>actually believe you have a "right" to change that decision? On what
>grounds do you base such a "right?" And, why would you want to go barging
>in when there is so much information available to you by doing some simple
>research in your nice quite library?
]What the HELL right does the govt. have in keeping this out of the
FREE PEOPLE OF AMERICA"S VIEW! WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE
TRUTH!!!!!! If anyone is stupid enough to trust any govt. they are
total fools.
>
>Why not take upon yourself to write a paper on the subject. Pretend you
>are in a college course that requires you to write a paper on this subject
>and one of the rules is that you must have an equal number of references
>for both sides of the issue. In other words, for each reference you quote
>from a source that is certain the government is hiding something, you must
>also have a reference refuting that claim. And you can't cheat by reading
>10 books that support your belief and then read only one book refuting it
>but quoting it 10 times. Force yourself, just this once, to actually look
>at ALL the evidence. While you are doing this constantly ask yourself this
>one question - "Which of these two viewpoints is most likely?" In other
>words, like the question I asked earlier about "why is this information
>being kept secret?" you would look at the arguments on one side that says
>the government is out to protect us, or they don't want mass panic, or
>there is a conspiracy, or whatever. Then you will see the arguments
>against the secret such as it would be the most amazingly successful
>cover-up in history, or it would be the most interesting information to
>give out to scientists to study, or we could really advance our knowledge
>in many areas by making it public, or whatever. Then ask yourself, "Which
>of these two viewpoints is most likely?" You may be surprised.
>
GET REAL! How can anyone do research if the facts are not released?
Or the area they wish to study is closed to everyone. The Freedom of
Info Act is TOTAL BS - look at how much is blacked out from documents
pertaining to the Roswell Incident -and they are 50 years old!!!! It
is NO GOVT's right to determine what the people see!!!!!
James A. Wilson
g&g wrote:
>
> Calm down Andy! Give it a rest. Ask yourself some solid questions and do some solid reading. If what you believe is true, why in the world is
it being kept secret? This would be the discovery of the century and
would be impossible to keep secret for 50 years. There must be hundreds
of folks over the 50 years who must have studied this stuff and not one
of them has smuggled in a camera or leaked credible information to the
outside world?<<
I think Carl Sagan said it best when he made a reference to the most
powerful weapon ever invented. The atomic bomb was supposed to be a
secret so the Russians wouldn't get it. Unfortunately the secret leaked
out and the Ruskies knew about the bomb long before we thought they did.
If the military cannot even keep that a secret how are they going to
keep a crashed UFO a secret when supposedly civilians even saw the thing?
I think the simpler and more reasonable explanation is that people WANT
to BELIEVE it is a UFO.
norsegod
fro@REMOVE_THISnilenet.com (SG) wrote:
>On 29 Jun 97 13:51:00 GMT, Andy_...@hotmail.com
>(Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
>
>>Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>>secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>>Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>>believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>>planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
>>to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
>>maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
>>trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
>>might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
>>hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>>but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>>to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>
>
>You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US government
>might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
>Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
>were both tested from.
>
>You people should really stop watching the X-Files
>
>
Since the Russian satellites can see the base better then any every
day American citizen can - there goes that BS idea!!!!
And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
its there?
TODD JUCHEM
Andy_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> From: andy_morgan@hotmail_com@catslair.megalinx.net (Andy_...@hotmail.com)
> Subject: Area 51 Break-in?
> Organization: T.H.E. Cats Lair BBS
>
> Hello.
>
> secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
> Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
> believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
> planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
> to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
> maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
> trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
> might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
> hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
> but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
> to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>
> WORLD!!
>
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Sounds like a very bad idea for many reasons. #1 the punishment for
entering area 51 is DEATH. #2 no matter how many people you bring, they
shoot you all because of problem #1.
I strongly believe that there is something there, but maybe that is not
what they are gaurding. After all many new planes are "tested" there.
Don Hatten
Andy_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
> WORLD!!
And yet there is complete apathy when the Feds attempt to usurp your
other rights. (free speech, landowner rights, state's rights, bearing
arms, etc)
Get your priorities straight. Be apathetic about UFO cover-ups and get
agitated about things that really affect your life in general and your
rights in particular.
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Marcus
Sorry friend.......I can see youve not served any time in the military
or involved in any government classified work. Altho I can sympathise
with your desire to know, and your feelings of your right to know whats
going on in the classified areas.......your proposed course of action
just wont get you what you want!
What it WILL get you is arrested. And your hope of media coverage to
save you and open the classified information to the public is only
wishfull thinking.....the real world of National Security doesnt give a
hoot about the Publics desire to know classified information....its
charter is based on 'THE NEED TO KNOW'...and if those powers that be
decide John Q Public doesnt need to know.....there is no court in the
land that can break the silence......right or wrong, the edicts of
National Security supercede all laws and individual rights.
This is the REAL world Im speaking of friend.....not the one where
things are the way you think they should be.
IMHO....anything of importance in area 51 has been moved due to the
public scrutiny it has recieved anyway ....
Cheers
Marcus
Andy_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> From: andy_morgan@hotmail_com@catslair.megalinx.net (Andy_...@hotmail.com)
> Subject: Area 51 Break-in?
> Organization: T.H.E. Cats Lair BBS
>
> Hello.
>
> Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
> secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
> Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
> believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
> planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
> to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
> maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
> trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
> might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
> hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
> but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
> to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>
> WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
> WORLD!!
>
Tom Schuler
>I have already proposed a march on Area 51 a few days ago.
I would find the spectacle of a bunch of UFO believers marching onto a
military weapons testing facility that they believed contained an ET spaceship
to be immensely entertaining. Be sure that you get it on film.
Let's look at some possible outcomes, though. The most likely is that you and
your whole group (I really doubt you could get more than maximum of a hundred
or so people to join you in this event) will be carted off to several
different processing points, given trespassing citations, and sent home. You
will not learn a thing that you didn't already know. Or, the base commander,
knowing you'll be coming, will put away any secret stuff and invite you to
tour the base with him. You won't learn anything that way either.
Nope. It looks like it would be a grandstanding stunt that will get you a
moment of amused attention from those who appreciate the folly of their fellow
humans and then will fade away and be forgotten.
But, carry on, by all means!
SG
>Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
>to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
>maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
>trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
>might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
>hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
ron or dane
Andy_...@hotmail.com <Andy_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
> secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
> Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
> believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
> planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
> to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
> maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
> trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
> might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
> hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
> but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
> to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>
> WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
> WORLD!!
Who says we have a right to know? YOU?
If the US government announced it had a super duper Mark 1V
shuttle-vehicle from outer space left behind by the grays who were
frightened off by cattle which refused to be mutilated, then the loopies
would fall around all over the place slashing their wrists and demanding
that Good Ol' Bill send off a few nukes to show them who's boss.
And if the US government announced it did not have any alien bits and
pieces at Area 51, the loopies would all slink around gnashing their
teeth and self flagellating and yelling COVERUP!
You are sure Area 51 holds alien bits and pieces.
I am sure Area 51 does not hold alien bits and pieces.
Neither of us has any evidence. Maybe the difference is that you need to
believe in UFOs etc, but I do not.
Whatever, if there are bits and pieces at super secret Area 51 that's
the best place for them. It means that scientists can examine them
without interference from the kooks of this world.
That includes any wacko who publicly announces he is going to enlighten
the world by entering a restricted area where there are guys with guns
who are hired to keep idiots out of the area.
Get real Andy
ron hawker, in Kerikeri
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Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
even though I don't care that much who did, there are plenty of folks
who do, and that piece of information could make someone very rich. The
book deal, the movie rights, the talk shows. knowlege of Jimmy's
murderer, and the detail surrounding it could be very valuble indeed.
You are probably thinking, the folks who know any details about Hoffa's
murder, wouldn't ever talk for one reason, they would not want to be
killed, or punished, quite simple.
Now back to the UFO stuff, in Roswell 50 years ago, simple housewives
were threatened, with being killed in the desert, and never even being
found, The Radio Station was threatened with a call from WA, threatening
to nulify thier license.
It is not clear what the Russians knew about UFOs in this country, there
are stories of Stalin, being quite upset about the whole thing.
Secondly, If you are going to continue to debuck, UFO, Strange Craft or
Alien stories, learn the differance. I think whether or not, the
object(s) at Roswell were balloons, dummies, test aircraft(not at
Roswell) whatever. Many people including die hard, alien skeptics, would
agree that the object is STILL unidentified, and that makes it a UFO. By
the very definition of the acronym.
T...@astro.net
Oh c'mon, let em go and do it! He won't get much help anyway...
Parachute in with a live video feed to a place off the base and let us watch
you get shot up like so much swiss cheese!
Tom
In article <33C029...@mhv.net>, sju...@mhv.net wrote:
>Andy_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>> secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>> Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>> believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>> planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
>> to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
>> maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
>> trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
>> might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
>> hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>> but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>> to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
> Sounds like a very bad idea for many reasons. #1 the punishment for
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
<snip>
>I have already proposed a march on Area 51 a few days ago.
This was proposed a long time ago and discussed at great
length.
>Breaking
>in by yourself would be stupid - the govt would kill you on the spot
Really? Name one person who has been killed there.
>(despite this supposedly being a nation "of the people, by the people
>and for the people" - WHAT A TOTAL JOKE!!!!
Yes, your lack of understanding is.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
TODD JUCHEM <sju...@mhv.net> wrote:
<snip>
> Sounds like a very bad idea for many reasons. #1 the punishment for
>entering area 51 is DEATH.
Name one person who was killed for entering Area 51.
>#2 no matter how many people you bring, they
>shoot you all because of problem #1.
If you can't name one person, the second point is as invalid
as the first point.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
d...@teleport.com (Tom Schuler) wrote:
<snip>
>The most likely is that you and
>your whole group (I really doubt you could get more than maximum of a hundred
>or so people to join you in this event) will be carted off to several
>different processing points, given trespassing citations, and sent home. <snip>
This is almost guaranteed to be what happens.
Not that different than what happens when people snuck onto
the Nevada Test Site to try to stop atomic testing.
The only difference is that the law is a different law with
harsher penalties.
You'll pay a fine and maybe pull a few days in jail.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>fro@REMOVE_THISnilenet.com (SG) wrote:
>
>>On 29 Jun 97 13:51:00 GMT, Andy_...@hotmail.com
>>(Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>>>secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>>>Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>>>believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>>>planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
>>>to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
>>>maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
>>>trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
>>>might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
>>>hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>>>but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>>>to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>>
>>
>>You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US government
>>might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
>>Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
>>were both tested from.
>>
>>You people should really stop watching the X-Files
>>
>>
>Since the Russian satellites can see the base better then any every
>day American citizen can - there goes that BS idea!!!!
I'm sorry, but the Russian satellites can only look when
they are overhead. Since the US gov't tracks them it knows
when they will be overhead and works at that time indoors.
There goes that BS excuse.
>And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
>its there?
It gives you something to bitch about.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
JPRJENK <JPR...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>James A. Wilson wrote:
>>
>> g&g wrote:
>> >
>> > Calm down Andy! Give it a rest. Ask yourself some solid questions and do some solid reading. If what you believe is true, why in the world is
>> it being kept secret? This would be the discovery of the century and
>> would be impossible to keep secret for 50 years. There must be hundreds
>> of folks over the 50 years who must have studied this stuff and not one
>> of them has smuggled in a camera or leaked credible information to the
>> outside world?<<
>>
>> I think Carl Sagan said it best when he made a reference to the most
>> powerful weapon ever invented. The atomic bomb was supposed to be a
>> secret so the Russians wouldn't get it. Unfortunately the secret leaked
>> out and the Ruskies knew about the bomb long before we thought they did.
>> If the military cannot even keep that a secret how are they going to
>> keep a crashed UFO a secret when supposedly civilians even saw the thing?
>> I think the simpler and more reasonable explanation is that people WANT
>> to BELIEVE it is a UFO.
>
>
>Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
<snip>
Are you claiming that it was the gov't that did it?
If not, the gov'ts ability to keep secrets and organized
crime's ability to keep secrets are not exactly the same.
>
>Now back to the UFO stuff, in Roswell 50 years ago, simple housewives
>were threatened, with being killed in the desert, and never even being
>found, The Radio Station was threatened with a call from WA, threatening
>to nulify thier license.
>
Do you have some evidence or are you referring to what
people said many years later?
Tom Schuler
JPRJENK wrote:
>
> James A. Wilson wrote:
>
> > I think Carl Sagan said it best when he made a reference to the most
> > powerful weapon ever invented. The atomic bomb was supposed to be a
> > secret so the Russians wouldn't get it. Unfortunately the secret leaked
> > out and the Ruskies knew about the bomb long before we thought they did.
> > If the military cannot even keep that a secret how are they going to
> > keep a crashed UFO a secret when supposedly civilians even saw the thing?
> > I think the simpler and more reasonable explanation is that people WANT
> > to BELIEVE it is a UFO.
>
> Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
> who do, and that piece of information could make someone very rich.
The "mystery" of Jimmy Hoffa's death only remains a mystery officially
because it can't be proven in a court of law. The result of throwing around
accusations in the absence of evidence would be some whopping huge lawsuits.
No one will be getting rich off that one. Also, you are assuming that a lot
of people were involved in the Hoffa disappearance. How do you know this?
Is there any evidence which indicates that it couldn't have been a murder
perpetrated by one or two people? The fewer people who know a secret, the
easier it is to keep.
No one is suing anyone over Roswell claims, though. So there are more than a
few folks who are willing to make a few bucks by whipping up the suspicions
of those who are already predisposed to paranoia. And, if there was a
momentous event, like the crash of an ET vehicle near a secret military
installation, many people would be involved and the secret would be almost
impossible to keep, just as the A-bomb secret was.
> Now back to the UFO stuff, in Roswell 50 years ago, simple housewives
> were threatened, with being killed in the desert, and never even being
> found, The Radio Station was threatened with a call from WA, threatening
> to nulify thier license.
One doesn't keep secrets by letting misguided radio jocks blurt out details
of classified research, which is what Mogul was at the time. As for death
threats, got any documentation to prove that these claims are true?
> It is not clear what the Russians knew about UFOs in this country, there
> are stories of Stalin, being quite upset about the whole thing.
Stalin was extremely paranoid, too.
> Secondly, If you are going to continue to debuck, UFO, Strange Craft or
> Alien stories, learn the differance. I think whether or not, the
> object(s) at Roswell were balloons, dummies, test aircraft(not at
> Roswell) whatever. Many people including die hard, alien skeptics, would
> agree that the object is STILL unidentified, and that makes it a UFO. By
> the very definition of the acronym.
If it *was* identified but some folks choose not to believe it, then is it a
UFO or not? Doesn't that depend on who you talk to?
fiorano
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> TODD JUCHEM <sju...@mhv.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Sounds like a very bad idea for many reasons. #1 the punishment for
> >entering area 51 is DEATH.
uhhhhh...If they shout "Stop right now" and you stop,they certainly don't
kill you...most likely is that the will take you for identification,and
then..."persuade" you to not oming there again.
But,if you don't stop...you can be sure they don't point to your
legs,thats for sure...
>
> >#2 no matter how many people you bring, they
> >shoot you all because of problem #1.
I don't agree...shooting a person,its a credible thought of what could
happen...but shooting hundreds of persons,with the Media taking pictures
of it...somewhat,I don't think so...
>
> If you can't name one person, the second point is as invalid
> as the first point.
>
> > I strongly believe that there is something there, but maybe that is not
> >what they are gaurding. After all many new planes are "tested" there.
>
My opinion is,that there isn't UFO's on Area51,the "Dreamland" like it is
called...now...about the S-4 facilieties...the story can be somewhat
diferent...
Paulo "aka" fiorano
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looks up at his hero,the Commander-in-Chief
Saying, ""Tell me great hero,but please,make it brief
Is there a hole for me to get sick in?""
The Commander-in-Chief answers him while chasing a fly
Saying, ""Death to all those who would whimper and cry""
And dropping a bar bell,he points to the sky
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norsegod
Don Hatten <hat...@syix.com> wrote:
>Andy_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>> WORLD!!
>
>And yet there is complete apathy when the Feds attempt to usurp your
>other rights. (free speech, landowner rights, state's rights, bearing
>arms, etc)
>
>Get your priorities straight. Be apathetic about UFO cover-ups and get
>agitated about things that really affect your life in general and your
>rights in particular.
>--
>*****************************************
>Don Hatten hat...@syix.com
>1170 Kenny Dr #1 AMA #SOARDOG
>Yuba City, Ca 95991 USHGA #17442
> KE6TJG
>*****************************************
Its all the same thing.
norsegod
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Like the Russians can't keep a satellite in geosynchronus orbit or
can't have more then 1 satellite?
There goes your BS excuse.
>>And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
>>its there?
>
>It gives you something to bitch about.
Great answer! NOT!!!!
norsegod
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
Yes your belief in the govt. is quiet sad. You must have been one
of those trusting people our govt exposed to plutonium. WAKE UP!!!
>
>
Xcott Craver
Andy_...@hotmail.com <Andy_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>WORLD!!
You don't want to know "if" you're right, Andy. You want to
know "that" you're right.
Let us suppose for a second that aliens did *not* crash land
at Roswell. Just for a second. In such a world, do you think anything
could convince you that it didn't happen? How do you propose we find
out "if" it happened?
In other words, just what would convince you that there was
no alien crash landing? I'm willing to bet on "nothing." You can
break in to the base (well, in theory), find nothing, and insist that
the evidence was moved. You can scour every document on the face of
the Earth, find nothing, and insist that documents were forged or
eliminated. Don't you see? If nothing happened at Roswell, there's
no way the government or anyone else can convince you; if nothing
happened at Roswell, you will go to your grave searching for something
that isn't there, because no amount of reason can reach you through the
cover-up theory.
In the sciences, hypotheses must be falsifiable --- if you're
wrong, there must be some way to find out. Conspiracy theories are usually
not falsifiable, because everything that could prove them wrong just
might be "in on the conspiracy." Everyone entertains conspiracy theories
of some form now and then, even if only tiny ones. But we understand
that conspiracy theories are beliefs, not true theories. If you're
going to risk your well-being on the basis of a belief, you should
sit down and ask yourself what will happen if your belief is wrong:
would you keep risking your well-being? Could anything finally convince
you to stop before you get yourself thrown in jail or dead? Christ.
Hey, while we're on the subject, what's up with these stupid
rumors about the gov't ordering lil' wooden coffins for the bodies?
We have the greatest discovery perhaps in all of history being covered
up by a paranoid governing body with all the resources in the world,
and not only do they bury the bodies rather than saving them for further
study, but they can't make their own damn coffins?!!? HELLO?!??!
>|Fidonet: Andy_...@hotmail.com 1:209/10
-Caj
Charles Watkins
In article <33bf5b5...@news.pipeline.com>,
norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>Andy_...@hotmail.com (Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
>>From: andy_morgan@hotmail_com@catslair.megalinx.net (Andy_...@hotmail.com)
>>Subject: Area 51 Break-in?
>>Organization: T.H.E. Cats Lair BBS
>>
>>WORLD!!
>>
>in by yourself would be stupid - the govt would kill you on the spot
>and for the people" - WHAT A TOTAL JOKE!!!!
Go ahead. Them goverment people already gots that alien teknolgy to wipe
out your memry ifn you do see sumpin. An ifn you don't see nothin, then
theys already moved it sommers else, anyways. An theys already put
computer chips in yer head to control you anyway and ever thing you think
n do is controlt by them so's we's all jus puppits anyways. So, go ahead.
--
Chopped Liver (Charlie)
wat...@selway.umt.edu
Share publicly, flame privately,
Charles Watkins
In article <33bf5bcc...@news.pipeline.com>,
norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>"g&g" <gri...@gte.net> wrote:
>
>
>>You may find some information that makes your 1% uncertainty a little
>>larger and starts you on the path of not being led around by folks who know
>>nothing but want you to think they do.
>
>Are you a govt. employee?
Did any one see Doonesbury in the Sunday funnies? Perfect.
Duane Maxwell
>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>WORLD!!
Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
assertion.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Duane Maxwell Gryphon Software Corporation
Chief Technical Officer http://www.gryphonsw.com
dmax...@gryphonsw.com 619-536-8815 Fx:619-536-8932
All opinions expressed herein are my own and do not
necessarily reflect those of Gryphon Software Corporation
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BlackJack
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> >
> >Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
> <snip>
>
> Are you claiming that it was the gov't that did it?
>
> If not, the gov'ts ability to keep secrets and organized
> crime's ability to keep secrets are not exactly the same.
> >
The government and organized crime???????? What's the
difference????????
BJ
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BlackJack
SG wrote:
>
> On 29 Jun 97 13:51:00 GMT, Andy_...@hotmail.com
> (Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
> >Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
> >secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
> >Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
> >believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
> >planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
> >to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
> >maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
> >trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
> >might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
> >hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
> >but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
> >to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>
> You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US government
> might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
> Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
> were both tested from.
>
> You people should really stop watching the X-Files
Who's stupid here??? The Russians (who aren't even our enemies) and
other countries can see into area 51 with spy satellite data. The only
ones who can't get in there are Americans (and spy's).
BlackJack
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >>
> >>You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US government
> >>might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
> >>Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
> >>were both tested from.
> >>
> >>You people should really stop watching the X-Files
> >>
> >>
> >Since the Russian satellites can see the base better then any every
> >day American citizen can - there goes that BS idea!!!!
>
> I'm sorry, but the Russian satellites can only look when
> they are overhead. Since the US gov't tracks them it knows
> when they will be overhead and works at that time indoors.
>
> There goes that BS excuse.
>
> >And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
> >its there?
>
> It gives you something to bitch about.
SO,
All a country has to do is continually keep something overhead and all
(outdoor) secret research would stop indefinitely?? NOT!!!
There goes that BS excuse.
BJ
JPRJENK
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> >Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
> <snip>
>
> Are you claiming that it was the gov't that did it?
No, of course not, Im claiming the gov't used organized crime tactics to
keep this secret, and still it could not be kept.
>
> If not, the gov'ts ability to keep secrets and organized
> crime's ability to keep secrets are not exactly the same.
> >
Organized crime is not yet paying witnesses millions of dollars to
testify, the gov't is, Org. crime still kills potential threats. Which
is what the military securtiy police did at Roswell,
By the way, our gov't put some of it's own citizens to death, for,
devulging atomic secrets to the Russians, when the Russians already had
the secrets, real honest, Huh?
In the case of Roswell, the Gov't used criminal tactics, to shut people
up, threatening with a gun is not typical bureaucratic behaviour in the
US, yet. Other people who's line of work requires they keep secrets for
the gov't lives have been signed away, if they divulge the secrets, Nat
Sec Act of 1947, among others.
> >Now back to the UFO stuff, in Roswell 50 years ago, simple housewives
> >were threatened, with being killed in the desert, and never even being
> >found, The Radio Station was threatened with a call from WA, threatening
> >to nulify thier license.
> >
>
> Do you have some evidence or are you referring to what
> people said many years later?
What People say in a court of law, is considered direct evidence, If you
don't care to believe it, that doesn't make people who find thier
testimony credible, wrong. It just makes you pig headed,
>
Delano Collins
It seems that science is showing us that 'our world' is much
more unimaginable than we can imagine. Theoretical physics is pushing
towards a real grand unified theory and implies 10 or more dimensions.
Sometimes I think that we are children pulling bricks out of a dam to
discover the truth beyond. Are we ready/capable of dealing with the
implications, power, and responsibilities of gaining this knowledge?
Einstein's field equations provided the theoretical basis for the atom
bomb. Can we afford to keep our rapid pace of discovery?
norsegod
"Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
>>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>>WORLD!!
>
>Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
>
>AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
>information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
>an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
>few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
>allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
>assertion.
>
Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT. That is
makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this. And the
FOA is supposed to allow this - there is no excuse for blacking out
anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
norsegod
freshf...@igrin.co.nz (ron or dane) wrote:
>norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> ]What the HELL right does the govt. have in keeping this out of the
>> FREE PEOPLE OF AMERICA"S VIEW! WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE
>> TRUTH!!!!!! If anyone is stupid enough to trust any govt. they are
>> total fools.
>
>And of course, if there are no alien bits there, and the govt did tell
>you the truth, YOU would accept it?
>
It would go a long way to release the original documents in their
entirerty. But since the govt is obviously lying they can't and won't
do that.
>> GET REAL! How can anyone do research if the facts are not released?
>
>See above, and then take your own advice about GET REAL!
See above and GET REAL - if the govt was not lying they would have no
reason to black out all the documents released under the FOA that are
50 years old..
>
>ron hawker, in Kerikeri,NZ
>
>--
norsegod
con...@tiac.net (Harry H Conover) wrote:
>Then begin to look in the right places. Does it make sense to you that
>the government would preserve such important specimens (highly secret)
>is precisely the same location for over 50 years. It doesn't to me.
>
> Revonoc.
It makes a lot more sense to leave the specimens in Area 51 then to
move them near Harvard and MIT. They have total control of Area 51.
A far better place to kill anyone trying to get to the specimens then
in the middle of a megalopolis - where they would never get away with
it.
Don Hatten
Your tax dollars paying for what? Area 51? If that is what you are
referring, you don't have a right to know in the interests of national
security.
Little Green Men? What tax dollars are being spent? If it didn't
happen you aren't paying for anything. If it did happen, you probably
aren't paying for it (the crash recovery 50 years ago) anymore, but you
are paying for all the reverse engineering that was done on the
spacecraft. In which case that reverse engineering is being done at
Area 51 and you have no right to know in the interest of national
security.
Have a nice day.
Don Hatten
Kjetil Aavik wrote:
>
> BlackJack wrote:
> >
> > The government and organized crime???????? What's the
> > difference????????
>
>
> --
> -Kjetil
If organized crime has a budget bigger than 1.7 trillion dollars a year,
I am going to start growing coca plants, buy a casino, run a brothel,
get with the Teamsters, etc. because I am in the wrong job.
norsegod
Don Hatten <hat...@syix.com> wrote:
>norsegod wrote:
>>
>> "Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>> >>WORLD!!
>> >
>> >Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
>> >
>> >AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
>> >information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
>> >an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
>> >few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
>> >allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
>> >assertion.
>> >
>> Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT. That is
>> makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this. And the
>> FOA is supposed to allow this - there is no excuse for blacking out
>> anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
>
>Your tax dollars paying for what? Area 51? If that is what you are
>referring, you don't have a right to know in the interests of national
>security.
BULLSHIT - its up to the people of a country to decide what is in
their best interests - NOT GOVT.
>
>Little Green Men? What tax dollars are being spent? If it didn't
>happen you aren't paying for anything. If it did happen, you probably
>aren't paying for it (the crash recovery 50 years ago) anymore, but you
>are paying for all the reverse engineering that was done on the
>spacecraft. In which case that reverse engineering is being done at
>Area 51 and you have no right to know in the interest of national
>security.
>
BULLSHIT - see above.
Anyone who talks about national security should realize that a govt
that lies to its people is not promoting national security. And this
govt which blanks out most of the documents from 50 years ago must be
llying - for - if in fact they told the truth - they would not need to
blank anything out. PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as national security goes - I am not asking for the govt. to
give out its hideous weapons (alien and/or human created) - so there
is no threat to security. I am asking for the total release of the
original 50 year old documents ( don't hand me any more BULLSHIT about
national security when it comes to 50 YEAR OLD DOCUMENTS).
Joe Crawford
>>On 29 Jun 97 13:51:00 GMT, Andy_...@hotmail.com
>>(Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>>>secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>>>Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>>>believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>>>planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
I can see it now :
Log Entry July 7/97 10:01pm
The sun is down and I have completed a test run of my invasion. I have
just covertly sneaked past a Dunkin'Doughnuts in preparation for my
main objective, the most secret place on earth area 51. Disquised as a
Nevada Tubleweed I evaded 12 police cars and a group of nasty looking
teenagers. This test run has reveled to me ways to make my invasion
on Area 51 better.
1. Don't hide in dumpsters on a hot day.
2. Be sure its not garbage day while hiding in dumpsters on a
hot day
3. Tumble weeds are not supposed to yell out in pain
4. Summersaults make me very light headed.
5. Try not to laugh when someone walks by and doesn't see me
Im sure with all these added percautions I will be able to break into
Area 51 without any well trained gun-totting-triggerhappy-men-in-black
who work for a secret FBI division who have been trained to cover up
everthing even their own coverups and the coverups of the coverups!
EVIL I TELL YOU EVIL.. !!! I KNOW THE TRUTH CAUSE ITS ON THE
INTERNET!!!.. Umm ahem.. Ok take deep breaths.. Kirk would be proud. I
know it is my desteny to get into Area 51 and steal the UFO that
crashed at Roswell and fly it (which should be no problem for me cause
I have played X-wing and Tie Fighter!) to a place where the government
will be exposed for the coverupers that they are!
End of Log for 7/7/97
>>>I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>>>but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>>>to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
You are willing to die for something you belive in that, in my opinion
is, a good thing. But when your willing to die for something that is
based more on fiction that fact. (ie. the base does exist that is
known, but whats inside is not) that, in my opinion, is a reason to
stay home and enjoy some fine cable programing.
(Joe Crawford)
(Midn...@golden.net)
(www.golden.net/~midnight)
(Ouch.my.head)(Ever since I've been the Champ)
Scott Gibson
On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 03:33:07 GMT, nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod)
wrote:
>>
>Like the Russians can't keep a satellite in geosynchronus orbit or
>can't have more then 1 satellite?
Small problem with a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, it can't see
anything on the ground because it's much too far away.
Yes, the Russians can have more than one satellite, or used to be able
to, and we can track more than one.
Scott Gibson
ron or dane
norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
(snip)
> ]What the HELL right does the govt. have in keeping this out of the
> FREE PEOPLE OF AMERICA"S VIEW! WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE
> TRUTH!!!!!! If anyone is stupid enough to trust any govt. they are
> total fools.
And of course, if there are no alien bits there, and the govt did tell
you the truth, YOU would accept it?
> GET REAL! How can anyone do research if the facts are not released?
See above, and then take your own advice about GET REAL!
ron hawker, in Kerikeri,NZ
Harry H Conover
Andy_...@hotmail.com (Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: From: andy_morgan@hotmail_com@catslair.megalinx.net (Andy_...@hotmail.com)
: Subject: Area 51 Break-in?
: Organization: T.H.E. Cats Lair BBS
:
: Hello.
:
:
: Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
: secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
Actually, they moved them to Building 1820 at Hanscom Air Force Base in
Massachusetts many years ago. This was done to enable more convenient
access by researchers at MIT and Harvard, and to avoid the notoriety
and publicity that Area 51 has attracted.
: Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
: believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
: planning on going to the area in the near future.
: Basically, I am willing
: to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
: maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
: trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
: might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
: hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
: but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
: to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
If you feel like getting shot over a possible look at a stealth fighter
or bomber, go for it. Still, to me it seems pointless and a bit insane.
:
: WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
: WORLD!!
Then begin to look in the right places. Does it make sense to you that
Kjetil Aavik
BlackJack
Don Hatten wrote:
>
> norsegod wrote:
> >
> > "Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>WORLD!!
> > >
> > >
> > >AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
> > >information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
> > >an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
> > >few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
> > >allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
> > >assertion.
> > >
> > Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT. That is
> > makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this. And the
> > FOA is supposed to allow this - there is no excuse for blacking out
> > anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
>
> Your tax dollars paying for what? Area 51? If that is what you are
> referring, you don't have a right to know in the interests of national
> security.
>
> happen you aren't paying for anything. If it did happen, you probably
> aren't paying for it (the crash recovery 50 years ago) anymore, but you
> are paying for all the reverse engineering that was done on the
> spacecraft. In which case that reverse engineering is being done at
> Area 51 and you have no right to know in the interest of national
> security.
>
What a smug asshole.
Don't give a fuck what kind of day you have.
BJ
BlackJack
LOL - good one!!
BlackJack
Don Hatten wrote:
>
> Kjetil Aavik wrote:
> >
> > BlackJack wrote:
> > >
> > > The government and organized crime???????? What's the
> > > difference????????
> >
> > Organized crime has more money?
> >
> > --
> > -Kjetil
> I am going to start growing coca plants, buy a casino, run a brothel,
> get with the Teamsters, etc. because I am in the wrong job.
> --
> *****************************************
> Don Hatten hat...@syix.com
> 1170 Kenny Dr #1 AMA #SOARDOG
> Yuba City, Ca 95991 USHGA #17442
> KE6TJG
> *****************************************
Geez Don, You just can't help yourself, can you???
Delmar
How can this be a "nationl security" issue, I think the Americans need
to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
decide for all humanity ?
Don Hatten
BlackJack wrote:
>
> Don Hatten wrote:
> >
> > Kjetil Aavik wrote:
> > >
> > > BlackJack wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The government and organized crime???????? What's the
> > > > difference????????
> > >
> > > Organized crime has more money?
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Kjetil
> > If organized crime has a budget bigger than 1.7 trillion dollars a year,
> > I am going to start growing coca plants, buy a casino, run a brothel,
> > get with the Teamsters, etc. because I am in the wrong job.
> > --
>
>
> BJ
Not on what I make.
Ken
I say to hell with the 'are we worthy' routine.
The human race was not ASKED to be placed into this universe.
The fact is we're here and come hell or high water we now have a
chance to screw things up whether it's 'OK' or not.
Dave Monroe
Delano Collins wrote:
> Sometimes I think that we are children pulling bricks out of a dam to
> discover the truth beyond.
I like that analogy. The Mars shot notwithstanding, I think we're
sneaking up on a condensation of technology and physical understanding
that's going to completely change our view of the world.
It may even kill us.
I'm put in mind of the old Chinese curse; "may you live in
interesting times".
--
David S. Monroe David....@cdc.com
Software Engineer
Control Data Systems
2970 Presidential Drive, Suite 200
Fairborn, Ohio 45324
(937) 427-6385
Xcott Craver
norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>"Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
>
>>>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>>>WORLD!!
>>
>>Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
>>
>>
>makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this. And the
>FOA is supposed to allow this - there is no excuse for blacking out
>anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
Oh, give me a fucking break. Tax dollars paid for Ronald
Reagan's surgery. Does that make it your right and everone else's
to see color photographs of his colon?
It is *not* your right to see the inside of a military
installation, just like it is *not* your right to know where the
witness protection program relocates people, and it is *not* your
right to know what kind of encryption technology the NSA has.
Yes, your taxes pay for all of it. Nor is it a horrible injustice
that the government won't allow you to BREAK IN to Roswell. Oh
my *GOD*. Those fascist pigs won't let us waltz into an AIR FORCE
BASE and look around. Surely they must be covering up SOMETHING
like ALIENS!!
And the FOIA gives us access to declassified information
that actually exists. You keep going back to the assumption that
"the government is obviously lying" and that everything they
declassify is a fraud, while these "real" documents are being
"blacked out." Has it occurred to you that if you're wrong, no
evidence on earth will convince you? Has it ...
Oh, look, over there: a black helicopter that says "ZOG."
[Beats the hell out of you with a whiffle bat when
you turn around] YAHH!!! AAH!! AAH!! AAH!! YAH!!!
Whew. Sorry, pent-up frustration and all.
Oh, but we all know that the GOV'T is lying because we
all know that there are ALIENS from OUTER SPACE. So we'll [*guffaw*]
BREAK INTO Roswell to see if they're lying to us. Even though no matter
what we see, we'll still be convinced that they're lying to us. And if
they arrest us it'll only be more proof, because why else would you
get arrested for tresspassing into a high-security military installation?
THAT'S SO *WEIRD*!!! Aliens, I tell ya.
Say, if you sneak in there and find them grey fellas everyone's
been seeing ever since F/X people put them in movies, ask 'em how
Elvis is, okay? Or for that matter, if this lil' reality-related
condition of yours gets any worse, you could just, y'know ... SEE
Elvis and ask him yourself. Either way, I'm curious about when his
second coming will be, and if the Eevil New World Order is trying to
stop it with the subliminal messages they put in dollar bills.
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Jason Mathews
Ken wrote in article <33c542c...@news2.ibm.net>...
>On Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:30:04 -0400, Delano Collins
><blu...@knox.mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>It seems that science is showing us that 'our world' is much
>>more unimaginable than we can imagine. Theoretical physics is pushing
>>towards a real grand unified theory and implies 10 or more dimensions.
>>Sometimes I think that we are children pulling bricks out of a dam to
>>discover the truth beyond. Are we ready/capable of dealing with the
>>implications, power, and responsibilities of gaining this knowledge?
>>Einstein's field equations provided the theoretical basis for the atom
>>bomb. Can we afford to keep our rapid pace of discovery?
>
>I say to hell with the 'are we worthy' routine.
>The human race was not ASKED to be placed into this universe.
>The fact is we're here and come hell or high water we now have a
>chance to screw things up whether it's 'OK' or not.
True enough. In Starship Troopers: "The universe will let us know
if we have any 'right' to spread through it. Until then, the M.I.
will be there, on the bounce, swinging for our side."
--
desk...@hotmail.com "I have the integrity to argue principle,
Sarcasm. Irony. Humor. and ignore facts." - Bruce Daniel Kettler
http://www.geocities.com/~godfist
Hate spam? Me too. /~godfist/parody/
Tom Schuler
Delmar wrote:
> How can this be a "nationl security" issue, I think the Americans need
> to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
> issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
> decide for all humanity ?
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you wondering whether the activities
within a military weapons testing facility are a matter of national security?
Are you assuming that all details of all weapons in development should be
broadcast to the entire country to decide whether we should keep them secret
or not? Wouldn't that be just a little too late to keep the secret?
Now, let's assume for a moment that there are no alien bodies or crashed
spaceships. Under that assumption, is there some overwhelming need for
"global security" to completely dismantle a weapons testing facility just to
satisfy you that your delusions are untrue? And, would the lack of evidence
there deter you in any way, even if this were to take place? It hasn't so
far.
This is nothing more than paranoid hysteria.
J-F Pinero
Delmar wrote:
- snip -
> to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
> issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
> decide for all humanity ?
(not all) think they are running the whole show. They think they are
superior to all other folks and that they have the right to decide of
what goes on around the world. One aspect is Hollywood. Let me ask you
this, how many non-american movies have you seen lately??? The american
culture is being slowly taking over the world and they don't even notice
it. Just to give you an example, met these girls in Florida a few years
back and they asked me if I spoke "american" up there (in Canada). First
of all its called English and second of all why don't you take a look
outside of your country for once and acknowledge that you are not alone!
Maybe one day this might work for humanity as well...
--
Do you smell wood burning? Oh it's me thinking to hard.
J-F Pinero
http://taurus.ubishops.ca/jf/index.htm
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>"Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
>
>>>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>>>WORLD!!
>>
>>Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
>>
>>AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
>>information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
>>an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
>>few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
>>allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
>>assertion.
>>
>Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT.
Where is this right spelled out?
>That is
>makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this.
Where is this right spelled out?
>And the
>FOA is supposed to allow this -
It does, unless the requested data falls into one of several
excepted categories. Which classified data does.
>there is no excuse for blacking out
>anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
The gov't just declassified the Zimmermann telegram from
WWI?
And, you could read it in any history book that covers that
period!
>
>
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>>nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>>
>>>fro@REMOVE_THISnilenet.com (SG) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 29 Jun 97 13:51:00 GMT, Andy_...@hotmail.com
>>>>(Andy_...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Like many of you out there, I am 99% sure that Area 51 is one of many
>>>>>secret places where the American Government holds parts from other worlds.
>>>>>Only I am that pissed off by all the continued cover-ups, and I firmly
>>>>>believe that the public ( the world ) has a right to know, that I am
>>>>>planning on going to the area in the near future. Basically, I am willing
>>>>>to go as far into the base as I can get. I know this may sound stupid, and
>>>>>maybe it is, but I think that if enough people got together to jointly
>>>>>trespass onto Area 51, that it would cause that much press coverage, that
>>>>>might possibly push the military into letting on about the UFO's they
>>>>>hold. I know that there is a good chance of getting caught or even shot,
>>>>>but I feel that strongly about the subject, that I'm prepared to stand up
>>>>>to them, in an attempt to inform the public about what's really going on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US government
>>>>might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
>>>>Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
>>>>were both tested from.
>>>>
>>>>You people should really stop watching the X-Files
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Since the Russian satellites can see the base better then any every
>>>day American citizen can - there goes that BS idea!!!!
>>
>>I'm sorry, but the Russian satellites can only look when
>>they are overhead. Since the US gov't tracks them it knows
>>when they will be overhead and works at that time indoors.
>>
>>There goes that BS excuse.
>>
>Like the Russians can't keep a satellite in geosynchronus orbit or
>can't have more then 1 satellite?
The Russian's don't have any spy satellites in geosynchrous
orbits since it requires them to be too high for good
photos.
They do have more than one satellite and we track all of
theirs as well as everyone elses.
>There goes your BS excuse.
Wrong again.
>>>And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
>>>its there?
>>
>>It gives you something to bitch about.
>Great answer! NOT!!!!
I'm sorry but it does as this thread shows.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
J-F Pinero <jf.p...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Delmar wrote:
>- snip -
>> How can this be a "nationl security" issue, I think the Americans need
>> to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
>> issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
>> decide for all humanity ?
>That's just THE problem. The American government and most of americans
>(not all) think they are running the whole show.
Ah, I hate to tell you this, but they are running Area 51.
But then, they are also paying for it.
>They think they are
>superior to all other folks and that they have the right to decide of
>what goes on around the world.
The Golden Rule, he who pays the gold makes the rule.
What gives you the right to decide what goes on in Area 51
if you don't pay taxes in the US?
>One aspect is Hollywood. Let me ask you
>this, how many non-american movies have you seen lately???
Several. Why don't you go to more?
>The american
>culture is being slowly taking over the world and they don't even notice
>it.
They can make their own flicks, can't they?
>Just to give you an example, met these girls in Florida a few years
>back and they asked me if I spoke "american" up there (in Canada).
Do you?
>First
>of all its called English
Nope. In the US we speak American. My English friends and
My New Zealand and Australian friends frequently ask me what
I just said. I frequently have to ask them the same.
G. B. Shaw was wrong when he claimed we were two people
seperated by a common language. There is not that much
common about it, anymore.
>and second of all why don't you take a look
>outside of your country for once and acknowledge that you are not alone!
Nope, we aren't alone. There are greys, pleiadians,
reptiods, etc.
Oh, and maybe a few other humans on the planet, but none we
need worry about.
>Maybe one day this might work for humanity as well...
Let them eat cake!
Mike Combs
Delano Collins wrote:
>
> It seems that science is showing us that 'our world' is much
> more unimaginable than we can imagine. Theoretical physics is pushing
> towards a real grand unified theory and implies 10 or more dimensions.
> Sometimes I think that we are children pulling bricks out of a dam to
> discover the truth beyond. Are we ready/capable of dealing with the
> implications, power, and responsibilities of gaining this knowledge?
> Einstein's field equations provided the theoretical basis for the atom
> bomb. Can we afford to keep our rapid pace of discovery?
It may be that to cease learning about our universe could result in a
far worse disaster...one precipitated by ignorance.
Rgds,
Mike Combs
twi...@worldnet.att.net
BlackJack <Blac...@crapgame.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Who's stupid here???
People who feel the need to use three question marks?
>The Russians (who aren't even our enemies)
Nor are they our friends.
>and
>other countries can see into area 51 with spy satellite data.
Only when the satellites are overhead. And, we don't do
things outside then that will help them at that time.
>The only
>ones who can't get in there are Americans (and spy's).
>
Get your own spy satellites!
Be the first one on your block to own a spy satellite!
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>freshf...@igrin.co.nz (ron or dane) wrote:
>
>>norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> ]What the HELL right does the govt. have in keeping this out of the
>>> FREE PEOPLE OF AMERICA"S VIEW! WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE
>>> TRUTH!!!!!! If anyone is stupid enough to trust any govt. they are
>>> total fools.
>>
>>And of course, if there are no alien bits there, and the govt did tell
>>you the truth, YOU would accept it?
>>
>It would go a long way to release the original documents in their
>entirerty.
But, how would you know that they had been released in their
entirety?
Would you believe them when they said that they had done so
if it didn't fit your personal beliefs?
> But since the govt is obviously lying they can't and won't
>do that. <snip>
But, if you believe that they are liars, they cannot release
everything and convince you that they have released
everything.
You have set up a self-defeating criterion.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>con...@tiac.net (Harry H Conover) wrote:
>
>
>>Then begin to look in the right places. Does it make sense to you that
>>the government would preserve such important specimens (highly secret)
>>is precisely the same location for over 50 years. It doesn't to me.
>>
>> Revonoc.
>
>It makes a lot more sense to leave the specimens in Area 51 then to
>move them near Harvard and MIT.
Only by your criteria.
Harry's point is well taken.
>They have total control of Area 51.
They also have complete control of Building 1820 at Hanscom
Air Force Base.
>A far better place to kill anyone trying to get to the specimens then
Please name one person that they have killed at Area 51. If
you can't, how do you know that they have killed anyone?
>in the middle of a megalopolis - where they would never get away with
>it.
Nonsense. Just put the body down in the "combat zone" in
Boston and no one would wonder at an extra corpse.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
BlackJack <Blac...@crapgame.com> wrote:
>twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>
>> >>
>> >>You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US government
>> >>might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
>> >>Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
>> >>were both tested from.
>> >>
>> >>You people should really stop watching the X-Files
>> >>
>> >>
>> >Since the Russian satellites can see the base better then any every
>> >day American citizen can - there goes that BS idea!!!!
>>
>> I'm sorry, but the Russian satellites can only look when
>> they are overhead. Since the US gov't tracks them it knows
>> when they will be overhead and works at that time indoors.
>>
>> There goes that BS excuse.
>>
>> >And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
>> >its there?
>>
>> It gives you something to bitch about.
>
>
>
>SO,
>All a country has to do is continually keep something overhead and all
>(outdoor) secret research would stop indefinitely?? NOT!!!
The only way to keep a satellie continuously overhead is to
use a geosynch satellite. Which is too high to do much
good.
High high do you think spy satellites orbit?
Now, how high does a geosynch satellite orbit?
>
>There goes that BS excuse.
>
Nope. Just that BS answer.
/<enSiko
> But, how would you know that they had been released in their
> entirety?
>
> Would you believe them when they said that they had done so
> if it didn't fit your personal beliefs?
>
> > But since the govt is obviously lying they can't and won't
> >do that. <snip>
>
> But, if you believe that they are liars, they cannot release
> everything and convince you that they have released
> everything.
>
> You have set up a self-defeating criterion.
Your point being??
The right to know something may lead to a self-defeating criterion, but
that doesnt mean we should just accept things if we know that they arent
true.
twi...@worldnet.att.net
BlackJack <Blac...@crapgame.com> wrote:
>twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>>
>
>> >
>> >Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
>> <snip>
>>
>> Are you claiming that it was the gov't that did it?
>>
>> If not, the gov'ts ability to keep secrets and organized
>> crime's ability to keep secrets are not exactly the same.
>> >
>
>The government and organized crime???????? What's the
>difference????????
>
Did you elect your mafia boss?
What is the name of the mafia's manual for security?
Why do you need so many question marks?
Excuse me????????
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>Don Hatten <hat...@syix.com> wrote:
>
>>norsegod wrote:
>>>
>>> "Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>>> >>WORLD!!
>>> >
>>> >Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
>>> >
>>> >AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
>>> >information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
>>> >an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
>>> >few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
>>> >allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
>>> >assertion.
>>> >
>>> Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT. That is
>>> makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this. And the
>>> FOA is supposed to allow this - there is no excuse for blacking out
>>> anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
>>
>>Your tax dollars paying for what? Area 51? If that is what you are
>>referring, you don't have a right to know in the interests of national
>>security.
>BULLSHIT - its up to the people of a country to decide what is in
>their best interests - NOT GOVT.
Then run for office and change things, don't just bitch
about them.
>>
>>Little Green Men? What tax dollars are being spent? If it didn't
>>happen you aren't paying for anything. If it did happen, you probably
>>aren't paying for it (the crash recovery 50 years ago) anymore, but you
>>are paying for all the reverse engineering that was done on the
>>spacecraft. In which case that reverse engineering is being done at
>>Area 51 and you have no right to know in the interest of national
>>security.
>>
>BULLSHIT - see above.
BULLSHIT - see above.
>
>Anyone who talks about national security should realize that a govt
>that lies to its people is not promoting national security.
Proof by assertion.
> And this
>govt which blanks out most of the documents from 50 years ago must be
>llying - for - if in fact they told the truth - they would not need to
>blank anything out. PURE AND SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, goody. A whole load of exclamation points.
Unfortunately, that doesn't obviate the need for evidence to
support your position.
>As far as national security goes - I am not asking for the govt. to
>give out its hideous weapons (alien and/or human created) - so there
>is no threat to security.
But, the existance of these aliens is the weapon! As soon
as someone sees them they fall down laughing their ass off
and we can take them prisoner!
> I am asking for the total release of the
>original 50 year old documents ( don't hand me any more BULLSHIT about
>national security when it comes to 50 YEAR OLD DOCUMENTS).
What about the Zimmermann telegram?
Do you know that there are billions of pages of classified
data that are over 25 years old?
Do you know how many billions of dollars it will take to
research each one and properly declassify them?
Jon
> >Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
> <snip>
>
> Are you claiming that it was the gov't that did it?
>
> If not, the gov'ts ability to keep secrets and organized
> crime's ability to keep secrets are not exactly the same.
> >
> >were threatened, with being killed in the desert, and never even being
> >found, The Radio Station was threatened with a call from WA, threatening
> >to nulify thier license.
> >
>
> Do you have some evidence or are you referring to what
> people said many years later?
>
I think that what we have to look at is not if the Government can keep
the Roswell crash a secret because clearly it can't. What I mean by this
is that if the Air Force had been able to keep it a secret the name Roswell
would have no meaning what so ever, to me or to anyone else. Roswell is
not a secret and never was. The story ran in the paper and there have been
countless books written about what was supposed to have happened. There
are claims and counter claims as to what it was that crashed.
Nobody disputes the fact that something did crash on Mac Brazel's ranch
fifty years ago. In 1994 the Air Force admited that they had deliberately
lied about what had crashed in Roswell in 1947. The reasons that are given
for this lie were that it was an issue of national security and we didn't
want the Russians to know about project Mogul. Well if you believe the
governments story about project Mogul and accept the fact that this is what
crashed in Mac Brazel's field fifty years ago then you would have to
believe the Government and the Air Force can keep a secret. I mean how
many people can say that they knew about Mogul before the Air Force's
report issued in 1994. This is an example of a secret kept from you for
forty seven years. The President recently apologized to the last surviving
individual that the Government had knowingly allowed to suffer with
Syphilis instead of treating them with medicine that was readily available.
This "experiment" was allowed to continue by the Government and they have
only now admitted it some fifty years after the fact. The Government can
keep secrets!
People have talked about what they saw but skeptics don't count this as
evidence of any real weight. The witnesses are all credible people and if
they testified in a legal case, their testimony would be evidence. The
real problem is not that they are not to be believed but that there is no
supporting evidence. Suppose that I told you that I saw a police officer
bash a mans head in with a club. I don't know the man whose head was
bashed in or even the name of the officer who was swinging the club. The
police say that they can't find a body and nobody has been reported
missing. Later another witness says that he saw a policeman carrying a
body over his shoulder but didn't say anything at the time because the
policeman had said he was taking care of the situation. Some might say
that I imagined the whole story and that the second man is just a glory
seeker who is trying to get his picture in the paper. Others might say
that the police have disposed of the body and are working to cover up the
evidence. What doesn't change is that the events took place. I can be a
witness but without supporting evidence I can't prove that a crime was
commited.
That is what the problem is here. We have two conflicting stories and
one side is accused of holding all of the evidence. I believe that some
time in the future an American President could hold a press conference and
announce that contact with an Alien life form was made several years
earlier but that this fact was withheld from the American people, and that
he was sorry for this lie.
/<enSiko
> I think Carl Sagan said it best when he made a reference to the most
> powerful weapon ever invented. The atomic bomb was supposed to be a
> secret so the Russians wouldn't get it. Unfortunately the secret leaked
> out and the Ruskies knew about the bomb long before we thought they did.
> If the military cannot even keep that a secret how are they going to
> keep a crashed UFO a secret when supposedly civilians even saw the thing?
> I think the simpler and more reasonable explanation is that people WANT
> to BELIEVE it is a UFO.
>
Hmmm.. possibly.. but some people are talking about it now. A lot of people
would rather not want to believe in ufo's and take the safe option of
debunking them. So perhaps in war, when having leaked information can
change how one side reacts to a 'suprise' attack, the leaked information
would be considerably more beneficial than something with no immediate
effects, allowing for a substantial coverup, such as roswell.
But the amount of information that is being withheld only proves that there
is something to hide. Whether or not they ever divulge the who story or
not, Something is being covered up..
Phil Harrison
In article <33C25A...@teleport.com>, Tom Schuler <d...@teleport.com>
writes
>Delmar wrote:
>
>> How can this be a "nationl security" issue, I think the Americans need
>> to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
>> issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
>> decide for all humanity ?
>
>within a military weapons testing facility are a matter of national security?
>
>Are you assuming that all details of all weapons in development should be
>broadcast to the entire country to decide whether we should keep them secret
>or not? Wouldn't that be just a little too late to keep the secret?
>
>Now, let's assume for a moment that there are no alien bodies or crashed
>spaceships. Under that assumption, is there some overwhelming need for
>"global security" to completely dismantle a weapons testing facility just to
>satisfy you that your delusions are untrue? And, would the lack of evidence
>there deter you in any way, even if this were to take place? It hasn't so
>far.
>
>This is nothing more than paranoid hysteria.
I interpreted this statement as frustration with the American attitude
that seems be capable of believing in alien life forms visiting the
earth, but yet failing to comprehend that there may be other countries
on their own planet.
I am a British citizen and I have visited the USA on several occaisions.
Once I was even asked whether we speak English in the United Kingdom!
--
Phil Harrison
/<enSiko
> Neither of us has any evidence. Maybe the difference is that you need to
> believe in UFOs etc, but I do not.
Hahaha.. Like you would spend a really long time trying to prove something
doesnt exist... :-/
twi...@worldnet.att.net
nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>>nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>>I have already proposed a march on Area 51 a few days ago.
>>
>>This was proposed a long time ago and discussed at great
>>length.
>>
>>>Breaking
>>>in by yourself would be stupid - the govt would kill you on the spot
>>
>>Really? Name one person who has been killed there.
>>
>>>(despite this supposedly being a nation "of the people, by the people
>>>and for the people" - WHAT A TOTAL JOKE!!!!
>>
>>Yes, your lack of understanding is.
> Yes your belief in the govt. is quiet sad.
Yes, your lack of evidence for your position is quite sad.
>You must have been one
>of those trusting people our govt exposed to plutonium.
I doubt that you have ever read the president's commision on
the subject!
Have you?
What did it say?
>WAKE UP!!!
>>
Why is it that those who are most ignorant are the ones
always telling others to wake up?
>>
>
Xcott Craver
nors...@pipeline.com, runner-up for the most humble logonid of the year
award, wrote:
>freshf...@igrin.co.nz (ron or dane) wrote:
>>
>>And of course, if there are no alien bits there, and the govt did tell
>>you the truth, YOU would accept it?
>
>It would go a long way to release the original documents in their
>entirerty.
No it wouldn't. If the government released the original documents
in their "entirerty," you would just say that they didn't.
>But since the govt is obviously lying they can't and won't do that.
Yeah, and you'll also say that.
>>> GET REAL! How can anyone do research if the facts are not released?
Who needs to do any research? You seem to have already
reached all the conclusions without any help. And no "research" is
going to change your belief. There were aliens, and any evidence
to the contrary was just made up by evil faceless types. It certainly
couldn't be that (*chuckle*) "norse god" has trouble dealing with
reality, right? How about a few JPEGs of those rippling norse god
pectorals for all the ladies to swoon over?
>See above and GET REAL - if the govt was not lying they would have no
>reason to black out all the documents released under the FOA that are
>50 years old..
Let's trace this line of reasoning, shall we? The government
is obviously lying, because they are refusing to tell us the whole
story. And we know the government isn't telling us the whole story
because ... because ... because the government is obviously lying.
NO! We know that because ... because there are ALIENS from OUTER
SPACE, and so far they haven't admitted that they have any ALIENS
from OUTER SPACE. And we know about the aliens because, well,
because ... well why would they lie if they didn't exist?
-Caj
Xcott Craver
In article <01bc8bc9$46c479e0$f40a26cb@kensiko>,
<enSiko" <ken...@space.net.au> wrote:
>
>But the amount of information that is being withheld only proves that there
>is something to hide. Whether or not they ever divulge the who story or
>not, Something is being covered up..
>
And we know that information is being withheld because....
How on earth would you know HOW MUCH information the government
is hiding, if the government is indeed hiding it? Can I, too, obtain
these incredible powers? If you don't know, then how can you decide
on the basis of "the amount of information that is being withheld"
that they are hiding something?
-Caj
/<enSiko
And they let people like you carry a gun? or what? god I hope not..
/<enSiko
> How can this be a "nationl security" issue, I think the Americans need
> to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
> issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
> decide for all humanity ?
>
huh? you forgotten where the center of the univers is???
twi...@worldnet.att.net
Delmar <del...@moss.co.uk> wrote:
<anip>
>How can this be a "nationl security" issue, I think the Americans need
>to get their life sorted out, don't you think this is GLOBAL security
>issue!!! Or do the American govenment think they have the right to
>decide for all humanity ?
How much do you pay in taxes to the American Gov't?
Why should they listen to you?
norsegod
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>
>>"Duane Maxwell" <dmaxwell{no_spam}@gryphonsw.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW IF THEY INDEED HOLD OBJECTS FROM ANOTHER
>>>>WORLD!!
>>>
>>>Where, precisely, is this "right" enumerated?
>>>
>>>AFAIK, there's no US Constitutional right to unlimited access to
>>>information. I suspect as the Information Age continues this will become
>>>an issue, but today this right does not clearly exist. I seem to recall a
>>>few years back that the UN was considering a resolution that explicitly
>>>allowed governments to control information, in direct conflict with your
>>>assertion.
>>>
>>Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT.
>
>Where is this right spelled out?
>
>>That is
>>makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this.
>
>Where is this right spelled out?
>
>>And the
>>FOA is supposed to allow this -
>
>It does, unless the requested data falls into one of several
>excepted categories. Which classified data does.
>
>>there is no excuse for blacking out
>>anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
>
>The gov't just declassified the Zimmermann telegram from
>WWI?
>
>And, you could read it in any history book that covers that
>period!
Your stupidity and willingness to believe everything govt tells you is
beyond belief! Since govt said they were going to end the speculation
on tjhe Roswell Incident and they did not release the associated
documents that is all any sane person with an IQ above 1 needs to see
to relalize the govt. is lying.
norsegod
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>
>>freshf...@igrin.co.nz (ron or dane) wrote:
>>
>>>norsegod <nors...@pipeline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>(snip)
>>>
>>>> ]What the HELL right does the govt. have in keeping this out of the
>>>> FREE PEOPLE OF AMERICA"S VIEW! WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THE
>>>> TRUTH!!!!!! If anyone is stupid enough to trust any govt. they are
>>>> total fools.
>>>
>>>And of course, if there are no alien bits there, and the govt did tell
>>>you the truth, YOU would accept it?
>>>
>>It would go a long way to release the original documents in their
>>entirerty.
>
>But, how would you know that they had been released in their
>entirety?
>
>Would you believe them when they said that they had done so
>if it didn't fit your personal beliefs?
>
>> But since the govt is obviously lying they can't and won't
>>do that. <snip>
>
>But, if you believe that they are liars, they cannot release
>everything and convince you that they have released
>everything.
>
>You have set up a self-defeating criterion.
>
There are several documents already released that have been about 90%
blacked out - so let them release all of those without blocking
anything out. FAT CHANCE! If they show nothing that would do an
awful lot.
norsegod
twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>nors...@pipeline.com (norsegod) wrote:
>
>>con...@tiac.net (Harry H Conover) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Then begin to look in the right places. Does it make sense to you that
>>>the government would preserve such important specimens (highly secret)
>>>is precisely the same location for over 50 years. It doesn't to me.
>>>
>>> Revonoc.
>>
>>It makes a lot more sense to leave the specimens in Area 51 then to
>>move them near Harvard and MIT.
>
>Only by your criteria.
>
>Harry's point is well taken.
>
Are you admitting there are specimens to move?
>>They have total control of Area 51.
>
>They also have complete control of Building 1820 at Hanscom
>Air Force Base.
>
Whats your point - mine is - they are not going to put anything they
have in the hands of people at Harvard or MIT.
>>A far better place to kill anyone trying to get to the specimens then
>
>Please name one person that they have killed at Area 51. If
>you can't, how do you know that they have killed anyone?
>
Obviously - if they have killed anyone - they are not going to admit
it - DUH!
>>in the middle of a megalopolis - where they would never get away with
>>it.
>Nonsense. Just put the body down in the "combat zone" in
>Boston and no one would wonder at an extra corpse.
Talk about a stupid answer - this is in the top ten!
norsegod
c
>
>>See above and GET REAL - if the govt was not lying they would have no
>>reason to black out all the documents released under the FOA that are
>>50 years old..
>
> Let's trace this line of reasoning, shall we? The government
>is obviously lying, because they are refusing to tell us the whole
>story. And we know the government isn't telling us the whole story
>because ... because ... because the government is obviously lying.
>NO! We know that because ... because there are ALIENS from OUTER
>SPACE, and so far they haven't admitted that they have any ALIENS
>from OUTER SPACE. And we know about the aliens because, well,
>because ... well why would they lie if they didn't exist?
>
> -Caj
Another person who must love to be a puppet of the govt. They are not
telling the truth because they have balcked out such much of the
released documents. Is that to difficult for your feable brain to
absorb?
Swan
T...@astro.net wrote:
>
> Oh c'mon, let em go and do it! He won't get much help anyway...
> Parachute in with a live video feed to a place off the base and let us watch
> you get shot up like so much swiss cheese!
>
> Tom
Pre-bloody-cisely! I mean THINK a minute... Here's the U.S. Army... the
army that's stood off Japan, germany, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and a bunch
of other countries. They kill for a bloody LIVING, Sweetpea! In fact,
they rather *fancy* a bit of fun now and again and we're going to just
trot right INTO Area 51?
I don't think so! *HOWEVER* far be it from ME to spoil the funsies! We
wanna live feed of exactly WHAT automatic fire does to bodies.
Veg-a-Matic CITY! Slices! Dices! It even does Jullienne Fries!!
BTW... who IS Julienne Fries and why is she such a slut?
Swan!
Swan
Mike Combs wrote:
>
> It may be that to cease learning about our universe could result in a
> far worse disaster...one precipitated by ignorance.
Exactly! Picture a world where space travel has been given up, we're
overcrowded, ignorant, beset by superstition and poor education. It CAN
happen. I just read a book that claims (with straight face, no less)
that the reason there are no dinosaurs is that they lived
contemporaneously with Adam and Eve and they died because they were not
on the Ark! Yeesh!
Now. Into this fomentation, comes the first alien craft to visit
Earth. the beings that step off look exactly like the Biblical demons.
Wings and all. Imagine the reception the Teeming Millions would give
them!
Actually, the people who believe in UFOs and alien abduction don't
bother me that much... they're at least looking OUTWARD! The ones who
make MY skin crawl are the ones who get jazzed by Monster Truck Rallys,
wrestling and Jerry Springer! AIEEEEE!
Swan!
Swan
BlackJack wrote:
>
> twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > >Two things James, first, Why do we not know, who killed Jimmy Hoffa,
> > <snip>
> >
> > Are you claiming that it was the gov't that did it?
> >
> > If not, the gov'ts ability to keep secrets and organized
> > crime's ability to keep secrets are not exactly the same.
> > >
>
> difference????????
Utterly none, Fringies. Now, class, for bonus points... what's the diff
between any urban police dept and a biker gang... Let's not always see
the same hands...
Exactly!
Now, onto the next question.
Who killed Jimmy Hoffa?
The government. they had to. He broke into Area 51 looking for James
Pike!
I hear they have pieces of the Bermuda Triangle in there!
Swan
Swan
Kjetil Aavik wrote:
>
> BlackJack wrote:
> >
> > The government and organized crime???????? What's the
> > difference????????
>
>
> --
> -Kjetil
*chuckle*
Actually, the difference between Organised Crime and the government is
One's a dangerous group, extorting money, into brothels, drug shipments,
violence and profit skimming to benefit a very few at the top.
the other is what we call the Mafia.
Trust me!
Swan!
Swan
Joe Crawford wrote:
Delightful parody snipped, regretfully, to save bandwidth.
> You are willing to die for something you belive in that, in my opinion
> is, a good thing.
So far, I agree. Firm convictions are usually a good thing. too many
people plea-bargain their way out of them.
> But when your willing to die for something that is
> based more on fiction that fact. (ie. the base does exist that is
> known, but whats inside is not) that, in my opinion, is a reason to
> stay home and enjoy some fine cable programing.
On the contrary. the person is thinking of joining the ranks of
Darwin's Little Helpers. Depending on whether or not the person has
bred... and whether or not if, they HAVE they are willing to carry their
offspring WITH them into the fray, self immolation upon the Altar of
Trooooth can be a good thing.
Uncle Chuck has many of these little helpers. together with his
Evolve-O-Matic Consequence gun and the help of these people willing to
face genetic deselection for their beliefs, he can filter the gene-pool
and improve the species all in one swoop. AND provide entertainment for
the rest of us into the bargain!
Swan!
the gene pool needs chlorination...
Robert
> T...@astro.net wrote:
> >
> > Oh c'mon, let em go and do it! He won't get much help anyway...
> > Parachute in with a live video feed to a place off the base and let us watch
> > you get shot up like so much swiss cheese!
> >
> > Tom
>
> Pre-bloody-cisely! I mean THINK a minute... Here's the U.S. Army... the
> army that's stood off Japan, germany, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and a bunch
> of other countries. They kill for a bloody LIVING, Sweetpea! In fact,
> they rather *fancy* a bit of fun now and again and we're going to just
> trot right INTO Area 51?
Well, I agree to a point. It would generally be a bad idea to try to break
into the place without some significant training and equipment. However,
it is not guarded by the U.S. Army. It is guarded by EG&G security people,
one of a number of campanies that contract with the military to provide
security at places such as Area 51.
But, if they shoot you and not the Army, you will be just as dead.
However, it is unlikely that you will be shot. You will be arrested before
you get anywhere or see anything, and thrown in prison.
Finally, let's try not to let this thread degenerate into a "you bash my
country, I'll bash yours" pissing match, like some posts have started,
shall we? Or at the lvery least, form a new thread so that those of us who
aren't interested can add it to our kill files.
Robert
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Wm G. Smith
someone or other wrote:
>
>> >>They have total control of Area 51.
> >
> >They also have complete control of Building 1820 at Hanscom
> >Air Force Base.
> >
>
Wait a minute! Hanscom Air Force Base is about 6 miles from my office.
If you break in over there, after the AF claps you in irons, you're
going to need a lawyer. I could use the business. My office number is
posted below. Perhaps, an insanity defense?
--
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P.O. Box 3017
Saxonville Station
Framingham, Mass. 01705
Phone: (508)877-3119
Fax: (508)877-3028
Don Hatten
BlackJack wrote:
>
> Don Hatten wrote:
<snip>
> >
> > Little Green Men? What tax dollars are being spent? If it didn't
> > happen you aren't paying for anything. If it did happen, you probably
> > aren't paying for it (the crash recovery 50 years ago) anymore, but you
> > are paying for all the reverse engineering that was done on the
> > spacecraft. In which case that reverse engineering is being done at
> > Area 51 and you have no right to know in the interest of national
> > security.
> >
>
> What a smug asshole.
Good comeback. Do you always resort to calling people names when you
can't argue intelligently? Between you and "norsegod" I don't know who
has their priorities more fouled up.
- The FBI is investigating your elected representatives illegally.
- The Justice Department is taking a pass on illegal political funding
by both major political parties.
- The EPA is telling you what you can and cannot do on your own
property.
- The Congress can't vote to give working people a $65 billion tax cut
(over 5 years mind you - 13 billion a year) out of a $1.7 TRILLION
dollar budget because "the gov't can't afford it" This is only a .5%
cut a year.
- The President is selling the White House
- The President has a legal defense fund set up
- The Commerce Department had a Chinese spy on the payroll
- Congress is always trying to get their fingers in the internet, lucky
for us the Supreme Court continues to shoot them down, for now.
- Congress is working on a deal to ban advertisements of a major
industry. This is an infrigement of that companies free speech rights.
Cigarettes are a legal substance. If it is such a drain on American
health care system, then ban the substance. Nope, can't do it. Too
much tax money would be lost. Hypocracy!
Gee, the government lies to me?
And you are worrying that the gov't hiding a little green (grey, orange,
pick a color) men. If they are, how does that affect your life? I
think you need to get worked up about the real issues that will have an
impact on you as a citizen, provided of course you are an American
citizen.
>
> Don't give a fuck what kind of day you have.
Your cynicism is showing, but you have a nice day anyway.
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norsegod
Typical comeback of a person who has been defeated in an arguement -
change the subject. If you want to complain about the other stuff -
find the correct fourm - THIS IS ALT.ALIEN.RESEARCH - can't you even
figure out what is supposed to discussed here - no wonder you believe
what the govt tells you.
Joseph Ryan Schembrie
We made it to Mars, what's next?
Maybe Sojourner will come across some simple form of life, or an
artifact. NASA shouldn't rule out this mission in the search for life
on Mars.
Joe Schembrie
The Cydonia Files
http://cybooks.com
norsegod
>So I proposed the following, which is something the eager beaver
>believers simply can't contemplate.
>> >
>> >And of course, if there are no alien bits there, and the govt did tell
>> >
>> It would go a long way to release the original documents in their
>> do that.
>
>And there's the rub! True to UFO believer form, you evaded the question.
>I asked whether you would accept something the government told you
>if it was the truth!.
>********************
Let me see if I can make this simple enough for you to understand.
1) The govt said it has researched all the documents on the Roswell
incident.
2) They say there is nothing pointing to UFO's - only to a secret
project to detect nuclear explosions in Russia.
3) If the govt is telling the truth there would be no need to block
out any of the documents dealing with a secret project from 50 years
ago, that they have admitted to.
4) Obviously therefore they have viewed the documents in question
(the ones that were released that pertained to the incident) or else
they could not claim there was nothing about UFO's, and if they show
nothing more then what the govt says was in the documents they could
easily be declassified immediately to put a lot of the questions to
rest about why so much was blacked out.
5) Since they choose not to do this - the only logical explanation is
they are lying. If the evidence supported their story - they surely
would have released it.
Granted - not everyone would be satisfied - but most would - including
myself.
Jon and Cathy Johnson
> Let's trace this line of reasoning, shall we? The government
> is obviously lying, because they are refusing to tell us the whole
> story. And we know the government isn't telling us the whole story
> because ... because ... because the government is obviously lying.
> NO! We know that because ... because there are ALIENS from OUTER
> SPACE, and so far they haven't admitted that they have any ALIENS
> from OUTER SPACE. And we know about the aliens because, well,
> because ... well why would they lie if they didn't exist?
>
> -Caj
I think that you have the pefect example of circular reasoning. The
government also knows the answer to the question of "Which came first
the chicken or the egg?"
Don Hatten
norsegod wrote:
> Your stupidity and willingness to believe everything govt tells you is
> beyond belief! Since govt said they were going to end the speculation
> on tjhe Roswell Incident and they did not release the associated
> documents that is all any sane person with an IQ above 1 needs to see
> to relalize the govt. is lying.
You keep preaching to the choir with that "gov't is lying" stuff. We
know that. Watch TV, listen to the radio, read the papers... they lie
to you all the time. Come up with something else besides this tired
rhetoric.
Don Hatten
norsegod wrote:
>
> Typical comeback of a person who has been defeated in an arguement -
> change the subject. If you want to complain about the other stuff -
> find the correct fourm - THIS IS ALT.ALIEN.RESEARCH - can't you even
> figure out what is supposed to discussed here - no wonder you believe
> what the govt tells you.
It was somebody's off topic cross post to another newsgroup that brought
me to this newsgroup. The argument you keep bringing up is that the
gov't is lying to you. I agree. Read the post again, a little slower
next time. I believe what I believe, and the gov't tells me very little
of what I believe.
Ralph Moratz
JPRJENK <JPR...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
> Secondly, If you are going to continue to debuck, UFO, Strange Craft or
> Alien stories, learn the differance. I think whether or not, the
> object(s) at Roswell were balloons, dummies, test aircraft(not at
> Roswell) whatever. Many people including die hard, alien skeptics, would
> agree that the object is STILL unidentified, and that makes it a UFO. By
> the very definition of the acronym.
>
Did I misunderstand. I could have sworn it was just identified as dummies
from
a high altitute parachute test...... What part of identified is
unidentified to you...?
or perhaps you can only accept an alien who just travelled for a million
years to
remain in secret at Roswell... because you are not intelligent enough for
him?
Swan
norsegod wrote:
>
> Since it is our tax dollars paying for all this - NOT GOVT. That is
> makes it my right and everyone elses who pays for all this. And the
> FOA is supposed to allow this - there is no excuse for blacking out
> anything on 50 year old documents - unless govt is still lying.
Wrong again, ... BTW, are you of the Aesir or Vanir? Just wondering...
The relinquishment of tax dollars, voluntarily or not, conveys no
particular rights to the spending of them. If such were the case, I
could legally bomb an abortion clinic if I disagreed to government
funding of family planning. Just because you disagree with Unca Sammie
doesn't give you the right to break Sammie's laws. According to Sammie.
All kidding aside, if people really WANT to know what's in Area 51, then
they'd better sit down in a circle and figure out what has worked on the
guvmint in the PAST! How did the Blacks get civil rights? they marched,
demonstrated and raised such a row that the NEWS MEDIA covered it and it
got into the American Living room on the Nightly news. Ditto women's
rights, gay rights, ending the Vietnam war, AIDS funding et cetera.
If you WANT the hearts and minds of the people and the government, you
gotta grab 'em by the short'n'curlies and only the PRESS and
BROADCASTERS can do that. Personally, I might enjoy a news shot of Art
bell, geraldo and manyseveral other mediacelebs in a row marching on the
gates of Area 51.
should make for a VERRRRY entertaining evening... not to mention raising
the national IQ average by about 50 points...
Oh... and has anyone ever stopped to consider that an entirely blacked
out page may be blacked out for a reason NOT connected with lying about
alien crashes?
Swan
Karl E. Taylor
>
>
> excepted categories. Which classified data does.
>
> WWI?
>
> And, you could read it in any history book that covers that
> period!
>
--
You know twitch, I am reminded of an argument by an lawyer and a judge
one time. The lawyer was trying to convince the judger of a persons
right to privacy, and the judge simply asked where in the constitution
it was written that you had a "right to privacy". You guessed, the
lawyer lost that one big time.
Folks you yell for the government to open up all the books are the same
folks that yell about privacy, my question is simple, which way does it
go? You can't have your cake and eat it too you know. If we demand
privacy, then it is only fair that the government demand privacy, and if
we demand that the government give up it's privacy then we give up our
privacy.
Just a little something to think about, since others out there can't
seem to think.
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Karl E. Taylor CEO & UNIX Systems Analyst
Desert Dragon SOHO Solutions kta...@dragon.illusions.com
http://www.illusions.com/ddsoho
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Dr. Lao "You know what wisdom is?"
Little boy "No."
Dr. Lao "Wise answer."
Michael Murphy
BlackJack <Blac...@crapgame.com> wrote in article
<33C16C...@crapgame.com>...
> twi...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>
> > >>
> > >>You people are really stupid, don't you suppose that the US
government
> > >>might have needed a place to test secret aircraft from the
> > >>Russians...This is the location where the Stealth fighter and Bomber
> > >>were both tested from.
> > >>
> > >>You people should really stop watching the X-Files
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Since the Russian satellites can see the base better then any every
> > >day American citizen can - there goes that BS idea!!!!
> >
> > I'm sorry, but the Russian satellites can only look when
> > they are overhead. Since the US gov't tracks them it knows
> > when they will be overhead and works at that time indoors.
> >
> > There goes that BS excuse.
> >
> > >And why does the govt. still denie its existence - when everyone knows
> > >its there?
> >
> > It gives you something to bitch about.
>
>
>
> SO,
> All a country has to do is continually keep something overhead and all
> (outdoor) secret research would stop indefinitely?? NOT!!!
>
> There goes that BS excuse.
>
> BJ
> --
I don't know of a photo-imaging spy satellite that operates at
geo-stationary orbit(~23,000 miles above earth). The problem is that it is
hard to get any meaningful image resolution at that high altitude. So
Twitch is correct that our military will not do classified testing when
they know there are enemy spy satellites overhead.
Murph