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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Apr 13, 2013, 12:03:55 AM4/13/13
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 05:48:48 +0530
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:29:43 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >That's a rhetorical question, to which the answer is obviously "yes."
>
> ... and then you woke up. If not before, then death will be an
> unpleasanrt awakening for you and all other atheists.
[snip - boilerplate]
I find it peculiar that theists so often accuse atheists of re-defining
the word "atheism" as "absence of theism" (which is what it really
means), yet they never seem to criticize or make fun of themselves for
their implicit attempts to re-define the word "death" (which is final).
Why do you call it death and then immediately proceed to contradict
yourself by claiming that that death is an awakening? If it's death,
then the possibility of an awakening is obviously and clearly ruled out.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"... if you find this type of discourse either painful or stressful,
you need to retire to more sedate activities like weaving or eating ice
cream."
-- John E. Raza (January 2012)
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:29:43 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >That's a rhetorical question, to which the answer is obviously "yes."
>
> ... and then you woke up. If not before, then death will be an
> unpleasanrt awakening for you and all other atheists.
[snip - boilerplate]
I find it peculiar that theists so often accuse atheists of re-defining
the word "atheism" as "absence of theism" (which is what it really
means), yet they never seem to criticize or make fun of themselves for
their implicit attempts to re-define the word "death" (which is final).
Why do you call it death and then immediately proceed to contradict
yourself by claiming that that death is an awakening? If it's death,
then the possibility of an awakening is obviously and clearly ruled out.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"... if you find this type of discourse either painful or stressful,
you need to retire to more sedate activities like weaving or eating ice
cream."
-- John E. Raza (January 2012)
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Apr 13, 2013, 12:11:57 AM4/13/13
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:22:06 -0400
raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
> >
> >No one does.
>
> Translation: *you* don't. Any high school biology student could tell
> you what it is, just like and high school chemistry student could tell
> you the difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. Not
> everyone is as invincibly ignorant as you are, Jesper.
It gets even better than that -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
about the Periodic Table of the Elements. She knew the names and uses
for many of the elements, and referenced the one- and two-letter
symbols interchangeably with the element names. People can learn
things at any age, and 5 years is definitely no exception.
The periodic table of elements for kids that she learned it from can be
found on this web page (click on chart for high-resolution version):
http://www.atheistfrontier.com/people/dmitri-mendeleyev/
I encourage you to get that chart printed and laminated so that you can
give it to friends with young children. It's the kind of gift that is
meaningful and will be appreciated later in life after the kids grow up.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Life in reality has value beyond measure."
-- Michael Moffat (April 12, 2013)
raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
> >
> >No one does.
>
> Translation: *you* don't. Any high school biology student could tell
> you what it is, just like and high school chemistry student could tell
> you the difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. Not
> everyone is as invincibly ignorant as you are, Jesper.
It gets even better than that -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
about the Periodic Table of the Elements. She knew the names and uses
for many of the elements, and referenced the one- and two-letter
symbols interchangeably with the element names. People can learn
things at any age, and 5 years is definitely no exception.
The periodic table of elements for kids that she learned it from can be
found on this web page (click on chart for high-resolution version):
http://www.atheistfrontier.com/people/dmitri-mendeleyev/
I encourage you to get that chart printed and laminated so that you can
give it to friends with young children. It's the kind of gift that is
meaningful and will be appreciated later in life after the kids grow up.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
-- Michael Moffat (April 12, 2013)
Irreverend Dave
Apr 13, 2013, 2:12:35 PM4/13/13
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"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
- The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense -
http://www.crispian.net/PTOIN3.jpg
--
Men become civilized, not in proportion to their willingness to believe,
but in proportion to their readiness to doubt - Ambrose Bierce
Christopher A. Lee
Apr 13, 2013, 2:57:23 PM4/13/13
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On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:11:57 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:22:06 -0400
>raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
>> >
>> >No one does.
>>
>> Translation: *you* don't. Any high school biology student could tell
>> you what it is, just like and high school chemistry student could tell
>> you the difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. Not
>> everyone is as invincibly ignorant as you are, Jesper.
>
>It gets even better than that -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
>about the Periodic Table of the Elements. She knew the names and uses
>for many of the elements, and referenced the one- and two-letter
>symbols interchangeably with the element names. People can learn
>things at any age, and 5 years is definitely no exception.
Some time in the 1980s I was coming back by train from Swindon to
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:22:06 -0400
>raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
>> >
>> >No one does.
>>
>> Translation: *you* don't. Any high school biology student could tell
>> you what it is, just like and high school chemistry student could tell
>> you the difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. Not
>> everyone is as invincibly ignorant as you are, Jesper.
>
>It gets even better than that -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
>about the Periodic Table of the Elements. She knew the names and uses
>for many of the elements, and referenced the one- and two-letter
>symbols interchangeably with the element names. People can learn
>things at any age, and 5 years is definitely no exception.
Manchester (change at Gloucester and Birmingham).
A mother and child got on the train and sat opposite me.
I was reading a railway magazine, and the kid says "look, Mummy, a
class 40" (on the cover). Kids that young didn't usually recognise
individual locomotive classes. So I asked the mother how he knew.
It turned out that her husband was another train freak, and that I
actually knew him professionally - he was a well known recruiter in my
field.
I showed him a few more pictures from the magazine and he recognised
them all, including the slightly smaller class 37.
I asked how he knew it was a 37 not a 40, and he pointed to the wheels
(6 axles instead of 8).
Get them interested in something and you'd be surprised how much they
learn.
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
Apr 13, 2013, 8:33:46 PM4/13/13
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Quack block rather than the Delusion block though? They also screwed
up with Homeopathy because "H2O" is not a single element (they probably
should have called it "Ho" or something similar).
Thanks for that table, it's a great idea.
--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"We had managers that communicated to our work force that the
attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to
attend the event."
-- Rob Moore, CFO, Murray Energy
fasgnadh
Apr 13, 2013, 10:13:00 PM4/13/13
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On 13/04/2013 2:11 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
# Subject: Natural Selection: why theism built Civilisation and
# atheism built Gulags! B^D was Re: Atheists are demons
# Message-ID: <TX%9t.555$e66...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:32:45 +1000
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.vaisnava,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,
# alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism,
# alt.philosophy,uk.politics.misc,alt.talk.creationism
#
# Fidem Turbare, the non-cognitive atheist gobshite wrote:
# > SkyEyes uses Natural Selection to explain the FAILURE of atheism:
# >>>>>
# >>>>> natural selection
# >>
# >> Actually, it's quite a simple construct, and one
# >> that's pitifully easy to demonstrate.
# >>
# >> Take two people of breeding age, neither of which
# >> has had any children yet. To make the test fair,
# >> they should be of the same gender, since
# >> males and females have different breeding strategies.
#
# Take two ideas: Theism and Atheism
#
# >> Plonk these two individuals down out in the wilderness,
# >> about 20 yards from the nearest hungry large predator.
#
# Place these ideas in human society, initially primitive but
# capable of evolving.
#
# >> One of them is likely to run faster than the other one
# >> (for any number of physical reasons).
#
# Religion started civilisation, and built all the great
# and enduring ones which followed:
#
# "The Birth of Religion"
#
# "We used to think agriculture gave rise to cities
# and later to writing, art, and religion.
# Now the world�s oldest temple suggests the
# urge to worship sparked civilization."
#
# http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
#
# >> Remember, he doesn't have to run faster than
# >> the lion/bear/tiger, only faster than the other guy.
#
# In this case, atheism limped from the outset... B^D
#
# One of these ideas, theism, proves more efficacious in
# evolving great and enduring civilisations, lifting humans
# out of their primitive state faster than the other, atheism,
# which never produces a single free, open, progressive
# democracy, let alone a civilisation, as atheists
# themselves admit:
#
# # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
# #
# # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
#
# >> The one that gets away is now free to mate and have offspring. The
# >> slower guy is...never gonna get to do that.
#
# Those in theist societies prosper and theism spreads, those in atheist
# states suffer terror, torture and death in holocaust proportions,
# over 80,000,000 die in just 7 decades! 8^o
#
# The theist meme propogates because it is more efficacious...
# superior.
#
# >> That's natural selection.
#
# The atheist meme has been trid and failed, yet it's adherents
# cling blindly to it, and their atheist regimes perpetuate
# the PRIMITIVE state humanity started in.
#
# The theist meme continues to evolve, distancing itself
# from the primitive state humans began in.
#
# It's majority religious societies have created free, open,
# progressive, tolerant, rights-based scientifically literate,
# prosperous, secular democracies which even the ATHEIST
# HYPOCRITES prefer to live in!!!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
#
# >> There was something about the one that got away -
# >> more endurance, quicker reflexes, less appetizing body odor,
# >> longer legs, whatever -
#
# If you ask the theists where they got the ideas that made them more
# successful, they say "God"
#
# But the unsuccessful atheists continue to claim that there is no
# evidence for God. Now that is UNNATURAL SELECTION of the EVIDENCE!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHA
#
# The theist tries to explain the spiritual values
#
# >>>that gave him an advantage over the other guy,
#
# but the atheist is certain he is right, despite all historical
# evidence to the contrary!
#
# >> and so the one who got away left more offspring.
# >>
# >> These offspring inherit their parents' successful
# >> trait - the quicker reflexes, less
# >> appetizing body odor, longer legs, whatever
#
# "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one
# half of the world's population identified itself as
# either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Hindu or Buddhist,
# and 100 years of secularism, and technological advancement,
# and scientific progress later and that number is now
# two thirds.
#
# So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
# conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
# the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
# it's not happening at all.
#
# People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
# and religion itself is also evolving"
#
#
# - Dr Reza Aslan
#
# http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
#
# The same process of natural selection applies WITHIN theism,
# older, primitive expreswsions of belief give way to new ones
# in response to changing times and the evolving capacities
# of the species, their understanding and their social, political
# economic and technological sophistication.
#
# >> - and in their turn - if
# >> they don't meet up with another person with even *better* adaptive
# >> traits - they'll continue passing this successful trait on to
# >> *their* young 'uns, etc., etc., and in a few generations you
# >> have a population with quicker reflexes or stinky body
# >> odor or longer legs - whatever it is that allows them to
# >> get away from a predator successfully.
#
# eg In the early stages of PRE-LITERATE humanity, social laws
# had to be brief and the sanctions memorable. So by todays
# standards they appear harsh, but were necessarily so to ensure
# the survival of small subsistence-level tribes, whose unity
# could be threatened by fornication or theft, but to imprison
# offenders would remove a worker (or two if a guard was required)
# but leave the same number of mouths to feed. The death penalty
# was the rational solution, even those these thesit tribes
# were the FIRST to understand that killing was wrong, unless
# sanctioned by necessary law.
#
# As the theist civilsations progressed they grew in their
# capacities and complexity and could more fully pursue
# their spiritual objectives of Love, Compassion, Justice,
# Mercy and Forgiveness.
#
# The core spiritual values were shared by all the great
# world religions, despite the geographic and time distance
# between their emergence, but the social mores derived from
# those values changes dependent upon the limes.
# Theists refer to this unique capacity for spiritual
# texts to evolve and adapt to evolving circumstances as
# "The Living Word", and the process as Progressive revelation.
#
# Some remnants of earlier religious forms still survive,
# and so you have a vast diversity of religious beliefs,
# some more sophisticated than others, and even abberrant
# ideas can survive in a world of comfort and plenty..
# and so in the 'Modern Era' we have experienced viral
# outbreaks of plausible sounding, but empty and
# dangerous ideologies: Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Atheism,
# Racism, Imperialism, Colonialism...
#
# With the economic prosperity and greater freedoms in the
# emerging 'Modern' states, Natural Selection is suspended
# and these radical ideas can take hold with catastrophic
# results as the effects of adopting them are initially cushioned,
# until it is too late, and catastrophe ensues.
# (See Russsian Revolution and the first atheist state)
#
# Similarly, in the modern world, so many human needs are
# met that increasing numbers of people assume life has
# always been like this, see no need for the self-sacrifice
# and selflessness that was required to achieve this level of
# civilisation, and may choose to throw the Spiritual Baby out
# with the Religious Bathwater. Ultimately, ideas which are
# true, and useful, are tested and adopted.
#
# And so we live in the world where after 100 years of
# the dreadful effects of unbridled ideologies; Fascism,
# Communism, Nazism, Racism, Atheism, Imperialism, Colonialism...
# humanity has returned to what gives results..
# and so science AND religion continue their global growth.
#
# >> And that's *all* natural selection is. The only thing complicated
# >> about it is that it's continually working on *all* traits in a
# >> population, not just the ability to get away from predators.
#
# And that is why there are 300,000,000 new believers in China
# which was once an atheist state tyranny under Mao which
# persecuted religion and killed over 40,000,000 of it's own
# people, but changed it's constitution to allow greater
# freedom of of thought and belief and now prospers..
#
# and atheism in the USA increased by from a pathetic
# 902,000 (0.4%) to a feeble 1,621,000 (0.7%) in the same
# time period, and in places where atheism is actually
# DISCUSSED OPENLY, such as USENET, it declined and DIED:
#
#
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!aboutgroup/alt.atheism.moderated
# THAT IS NATURAL SELECTION! B^D
#
#
# >> Simple. Elegant. TRUE.
#
# Atheim is a failed hypothesis which history has naturally
# selected OUT!
#
# Theism has been naturally selected through history
# because it is efficacious.
#
# > That's an excellent explanation of natural selection
Thanks.
# > (I think you should add it to the alt-atheism.org FAQ web site
Oh no, I'd rather put it here in USENET where it's more likely
someone will actually READ IT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
But you have my permission to reproduce it, but only if you do so
VERBATIM, atheists are notorious fabricators, propogandist liars and
trolls.
# > The problem posed by societies that works against
# > natural selection's effectiveness is the invention
# > of luxuries -- these luxuries make it easier for
# > people to basically "cheat" against natural selection, which
# > shifts the balance in favour of laziness and stupidity.
EXACTLY! and Abberrant ideologies such as Hedonism, Fascism,
Materialism, Communism, Nazism, Racism, Atheism, Sadism, Imperialism,
Colonialism... can all take hold,.. for a while, until their
inadequacies cause catastrophic failure, and they are rejected by the
foolish societies that embraced them!
That was certainly the experience of EVERY ATHEIST STATE in history!!!!
# > I wonder if there really would be so many
# > lazy and stupid people in the world today
# > if there wasn't such an abundance of luxuries.
Jesus made the same point thousands of years before you!
Matthew 19:23-24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, �Truly I tell you,
it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the
kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is
easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for someone who is rich to enter
the kingdom of God.�
Note, it does not say IMPOSSIBLE, just harder.
1 Timothy 6:10
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.
Some people, eager for money, have wandered from
the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
When ideas are so ORIGINAL and so TRUE natural selection
ensures they endure, just like successful DNA!
B^D
> It gets even better than that
Atheists are actually starting to acknowledge the debt they
ow to scientists who shoed that FAITH and REASON go hand in hand:
> -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
Great to see atheists are prepared to learn from those
better educated than themselves, (which is everyone! ;-);
> about the Periodic Table of the Elements.
Ah yes the work of reknowned believer, Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev,
Russian chemist, inventor and deist - "the belief that reason and
observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the
existence of God"
> http://www.atheistfrontier.com/people/dmitri-mendeleyev/
Great to see atheists acknowledging the work of the great
scientists who were Believers, on whose shoulders we all stand!
> I encourage you to get that chart printed and laminated so that you can
> give it to friends with young children. It's the kind of gift that is
> meaningful and will be appreciated later in life after the kids grow up.
If only Bukakke had one before he tried to tell everyone that the dust
remaining after a carbon based organism is cremated or buried is
'silicon dirt' rather than the dust (small particles of various elements
and compounds formed in stars after the big bang) which
Genesis accurately describes us as being made of! B^D
Snot Balneave explains why atheists deliberately try to conflate atheism
with reason and science;
--
---------
"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
- Scott Balneave, the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
declines:
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
"Communism, of course, is an ideology, of which atheism is a part of."
- Scott Balneave explaining how atheism is part of Lenin's IDEOLOGY.
Lenin, Scott Balneave's ideological mentor, saying the same thing;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Atheist tyrant Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Nothing has changed in violent atheist anti-theism...;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
.. since atheist thugs terrorised, tortured and killed even the
innocent women and children of their enemy's families:
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:22:06 -0400
> raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
Skyeyes and I provided an informative outine:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 10:22:06 -0400
> raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
# Subject: Natural Selection: why theism built Civilisation and
# atheism built Gulags! B^D was Re: Atheists are demons
# Message-ID: <TX%9t.555$e66...@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 08:32:45 +1000
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.vaisnava,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,
# alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism,
# alt.philosophy,uk.politics.misc,alt.talk.creationism
#
# Fidem Turbare, the non-cognitive atheist gobshite wrote:
# > SkyEyes uses Natural Selection to explain the FAILURE of atheism:
# >>>>>
# >>>>> natural selection
# >>
# >> Actually, it's quite a simple construct, and one
# >> that's pitifully easy to demonstrate.
# >>
# >> Take two people of breeding age, neither of which
# >> has had any children yet. To make the test fair,
# >> they should be of the same gender, since
# >> males and females have different breeding strategies.
#
# Take two ideas: Theism and Atheism
#
# >> Plonk these two individuals down out in the wilderness,
# >> about 20 yards from the nearest hungry large predator.
#
# Place these ideas in human society, initially primitive but
# capable of evolving.
#
# >> One of them is likely to run faster than the other one
# >> (for any number of physical reasons).
#
# Religion started civilisation, and built all the great
# and enduring ones which followed:
#
# "The Birth of Religion"
#
# "We used to think agriculture gave rise to cities
# and later to writing, art, and religion.
# Now the world�s oldest temple suggests the
# urge to worship sparked civilization."
#
# http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/06/gobekli-tepe/mann-text
#
# >> Remember, he doesn't have to run faster than
# >> the lion/bear/tiger, only faster than the other guy.
#
# In this case, atheism limped from the outset... B^D
#
# One of these ideas, theism, proves more efficacious in
# evolving great and enduring civilisations, lifting humans
# out of their primitive state faster than the other, atheism,
# which never produces a single free, open, progressive
# democracy, let alone a civilisation, as atheists
# themselves admit:
#
# # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir
# # and Kelsey Bjarnyard? B^D
# # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
# #
# # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
#
# >> The one that gets away is now free to mate and have offspring. The
# >> slower guy is...never gonna get to do that.
#
# Those in theist societies prosper and theism spreads, those in atheist
# states suffer terror, torture and death in holocaust proportions,
# over 80,000,000 die in just 7 decades! 8^o
#
# The theist meme propogates because it is more efficacious...
# superior.
#
# >> That's natural selection.
#
# The atheist meme has been trid and failed, yet it's adherents
# cling blindly to it, and their atheist regimes perpetuate
# the PRIMITIVE state humanity started in.
#
# The theist meme continues to evolve, distancing itself
# from the primitive state humans began in.
#
# It's majority religious societies have created free, open,
# progressive, tolerant, rights-based scientifically literate,
# prosperous, secular democracies which even the ATHEIST
# HYPOCRITES prefer to live in!!!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
#
# >> There was something about the one that got away -
# >> more endurance, quicker reflexes, less appetizing body odor,
# >> longer legs, whatever -
#
# If you ask the theists where they got the ideas that made them more
# successful, they say "God"
#
# But the unsuccessful atheists continue to claim that there is no
# evidence for God. Now that is UNNATURAL SELECTION of the EVIDENCE!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHA
#
# The theist tries to explain the spiritual values
#
# >>>that gave him an advantage over the other guy,
#
# but the atheist is certain he is right, despite all historical
# evidence to the contrary!
#
# >> and so the one who got away left more offspring.
# >>
# >> These offspring inherit their parents' successful
# >> trait - the quicker reflexes, less
# >> appetizing body odor, longer legs, whatever
#
# "At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one
# half of the world's population identified itself as
# either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Hindu or Buddhist,
# and 100 years of secularism, and technological advancement,
# and scientific progress later and that number is now
# two thirds.
#
# So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
# conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
# the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
# it's not happening at all.
#
# People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
# and religion itself is also evolving"
#
#
# - Dr Reza Aslan
#
# http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
#
# The same process of natural selection applies WITHIN theism,
# older, primitive expreswsions of belief give way to new ones
# in response to changing times and the evolving capacities
# of the species, their understanding and their social, political
# economic and technological sophistication.
#
# >> - and in their turn - if
# >> they don't meet up with another person with even *better* adaptive
# >> traits - they'll continue passing this successful trait on to
# >> *their* young 'uns, etc., etc., and in a few generations you
# >> have a population with quicker reflexes or stinky body
# >> odor or longer legs - whatever it is that allows them to
# >> get away from a predator successfully.
#
# eg In the early stages of PRE-LITERATE humanity, social laws
# had to be brief and the sanctions memorable. So by todays
# standards they appear harsh, but were necessarily so to ensure
# the survival of small subsistence-level tribes, whose unity
# could be threatened by fornication or theft, but to imprison
# offenders would remove a worker (or two if a guard was required)
# but leave the same number of mouths to feed. The death penalty
# was the rational solution, even those these thesit tribes
# were the FIRST to understand that killing was wrong, unless
# sanctioned by necessary law.
#
# As the theist civilsations progressed they grew in their
# capacities and complexity and could more fully pursue
# their spiritual objectives of Love, Compassion, Justice,
# Mercy and Forgiveness.
#
# The core spiritual values were shared by all the great
# world religions, despite the geographic and time distance
# between their emergence, but the social mores derived from
# those values changes dependent upon the limes.
# Theists refer to this unique capacity for spiritual
# texts to evolve and adapt to evolving circumstances as
# "The Living Word", and the process as Progressive revelation.
#
# Some remnants of earlier religious forms still survive,
# and so you have a vast diversity of religious beliefs,
# some more sophisticated than others, and even abberrant
# ideas can survive in a world of comfort and plenty..
# and so in the 'Modern Era' we have experienced viral
# outbreaks of plausible sounding, but empty and
# dangerous ideologies: Fascism, Communism, Nazism, Atheism,
# Racism, Imperialism, Colonialism...
#
# With the economic prosperity and greater freedoms in the
# emerging 'Modern' states, Natural Selection is suspended
# and these radical ideas can take hold with catastrophic
# results as the effects of adopting them are initially cushioned,
# until it is too late, and catastrophe ensues.
# (See Russsian Revolution and the first atheist state)
#
# Similarly, in the modern world, so many human needs are
# met that increasing numbers of people assume life has
# always been like this, see no need for the self-sacrifice
# and selflessness that was required to achieve this level of
# civilisation, and may choose to throw the Spiritual Baby out
# with the Religious Bathwater. Ultimately, ideas which are
# true, and useful, are tested and adopted.
#
# And so we live in the world where after 100 years of
# the dreadful effects of unbridled ideologies; Fascism,
# Communism, Nazism, Racism, Atheism, Imperialism, Colonialism...
# humanity has returned to what gives results..
# and so science AND religion continue their global growth.
#
# >> And that's *all* natural selection is. The only thing complicated
# >> about it is that it's continually working on *all* traits in a
# >> population, not just the ability to get away from predators.
#
# And that is why there are 300,000,000 new believers in China
# which was once an atheist state tyranny under Mao which
# persecuted religion and killed over 40,000,000 of it's own
# people, but changed it's constitution to allow greater
# freedom of of thought and belief and now prospers..
#
# and atheism in the USA increased by from a pathetic
# 902,000 (0.4%) to a feeble 1,621,000 (0.7%) in the same
# time period, and in places where atheism is actually
# DISCUSSED OPENLY, such as USENET, it declined and DIED:
#
#
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!aboutgroup/alt.atheism.moderated
# THAT IS NATURAL SELECTION! B^D
#
#
# >> Simple. Elegant. TRUE.
#
# Atheim is a failed hypothesis which history has naturally
# selected OUT!
#
# Theism has been naturally selected through history
# because it is efficacious.
#
# > That's an excellent explanation of natural selection
Thanks.
# > (I think you should add it to the alt-atheism.org FAQ web site
Oh no, I'd rather put it here in USENET where it's more likely
someone will actually READ IT!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
But you have my permission to reproduce it, but only if you do so
VERBATIM, atheists are notorious fabricators, propogandist liars and
trolls.
# > The problem posed by societies that works against
# > natural selection's effectiveness is the invention
# > of luxuries -- these luxuries make it easier for
# > people to basically "cheat" against natural selection, which
# > shifts the balance in favour of laziness and stupidity.
EXACTLY! and Abberrant ideologies such as Hedonism, Fascism,
Materialism, Communism, Nazism, Racism, Atheism, Sadism, Imperialism,
Colonialism... can all take hold,.. for a while, until their
inadequacies cause catastrophic failure, and they are rejected by the
foolish societies that embraced them!
That was certainly the experience of EVERY ATHEIST STATE in history!!!!
# > I wonder if there really would be so many
# > lazy and stupid people in the world today
# > if there wasn't such an abundance of luxuries.
Jesus made the same point thousands of years before you!
Matthew 19:23-24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, �Truly I tell you,
it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the
kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is
easier for a camel to go through the eye of a
needle than for someone who is rich to enter
the kingdom of God.�
Note, it does not say IMPOSSIBLE, just harder.
1 Timothy 6:10
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.
Some people, eager for money, have wandered from
the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
When ideas are so ORIGINAL and so TRUE natural selection
ensures they endure, just like successful DNA!
B^D
> It gets even better than that
ow to scientists who shoed that FAITH and REASON go hand in hand:
> -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
better educated than themselves, (which is everyone! ;-);
> about the Periodic Table of the Elements.
Russian chemist, inventor and deist - "the belief that reason and
observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the
existence of God"
> http://www.atheistfrontier.com/people/dmitri-mendeleyev/
Great to see atheists acknowledging the work of the great
scientists who were Believers, on whose shoulders we all stand!
> I encourage you to get that chart printed and laminated so that you can
> give it to friends with young children. It's the kind of gift that is
> meaningful and will be appreciated later in life after the kids grow up.
remaining after a carbon based organism is cremated or buried is
'silicon dirt' rather than the dust (small particles of various elements
and compounds formed in stars after the big bang) which
Genesis accurately describes us as being made of! B^D
Snot Balneave explains why atheists deliberately try to conflate atheism
with reason and science;
--
---------
"every ... "atheist society" has been an
evil abomination killing and opressing it's citizens."
- Scott Balneave, the OFFICIAL ATHEIST TROLL WEBSITE
That explains why religion continues to spread globally while atheism
declines:
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
"Communism, of course, is an ideology, of which atheism is a part of."
- Scott Balneave explaining how atheism is part of Lenin's IDEOLOGY.
Lenin, Scott Balneave's ideological mentor, saying the same thing;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Atheist tyrant Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
Nothing has changed in violent atheist anti-theism...;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
.. since atheist thugs terrorised, tortured and killed even the
innocent women and children of their enemy's families:
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
Irreverend Dave
Apr 13, 2013, 11:47:18 PM4/13/13
to
suggestions to improve it. He has an email address on this page if you
feel the need to contact him.
http://www.crispian.net
Father Haskell
Apr 14, 2013, 12:15:28 AM4/14/13
to
On Apr 13, 12:11 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
> raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
and from memory? Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWkVO6Bp8VM
If anyone will discover 119, it will be him.
> raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 03:14:50 +0530, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
>
> > >No one does.
>
> > Translation: *you* don't. Any high school biology student could tell
> > you what it is, just like and high school chemistry student could tell
> > you the difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. Not
> > everyone is as invincibly ignorant as you are, Jesper.
>
> It gets even better than that -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
> about the Periodic Table of the Elements. She knew the names and uses
> for many of the elements, and referenced the one- and two-letter
> symbols interchangeably with the element names. People can learn
> things at any age, and 5 years is definitely no exception.
>
> The periodic table of elements for kids that she learned it from can be
> found on this web page (click on chart for high-resolution version):
>
> http://www.atheistfrontier.com/people/dmitri-mendeleyev/
>
> I encourage you to get that chart printed and laminated so that you can
> give it to friends with young children. It's the kind of gift that is
> meaningful and will be appreciated later in life after the kids grow up.
How about a 4 year old singing the Tom Lehrer version complete,
>
> > >>Clearly you don't understand what natural selection is.
>
> > >No one does.
>
> > Translation: *you* don't. Any high school biology student could tell
> > you what it is, just like and high school chemistry student could tell
> > you the difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. Not
> > everyone is as invincibly ignorant as you are, Jesper.
>
> It gets even better than that -- a 5-year-old child recently told me
> about the Periodic Table of the Elements. She knew the names and uses
> for many of the elements, and referenced the one- and two-letter
> symbols interchangeably with the element names. People can learn
> things at any age, and 5 years is definitely no exception.
>
> The periodic table of elements for kids that she learned it from can be
> found on this web page (click on chart for high-resolution version):
>
> http://www.atheistfrontier.com/people/dmitri-mendeleyev/
>
> I encourage you to get that chart printed and laminated so that you can
> give it to friends with young children. It's the kind of gift that is
> meaningful and will be appreciated later in life after the kids grow up.
and from memory? Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWkVO6Bp8VM
If anyone will discover 119, it will be him.
Jahnu
Apr 14, 2013, 9:15:42 AM4/14/13
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 21:15:28 -0700 (PDT), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If anyone will discover 119, it will be him.
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5866214193602902530
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If anyone will discover 119, it will be him.
Have a look at my art -
http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
http://youtu.be/jduAKsBJjz0 - Gopala
http://youtu.be/rzq_8CA3G2Y - Mayapur
http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
Dreamer In Colore
Apr 14, 2013, 9:46:46 PM4/14/13
to
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 21:03:55 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
scared of shuffling off the mortal coil.
Nobody knows what's going to happen after the cells stop dancing,
Fidem, and that is just so unbelievably scary for most people that
there is an entire set of businesses dedicated to the softening of the
blow.
A lot of people find comfort in the notion that they will bask in the
soft light of a benevolent deity; others want to believe that their
enemies will be consigned to a lake of fire; yet others feel that an
awakening/reincarnation will somehow give them a second chance at what
they wasted the first time around.
I think that's awful.
I think it's grotesque that people can find solace in the idea that
they'll get another chance, or that they'll be wrapped in swaddling
clothes because they need so much succor after their lives are over.
As far as we know, we have this existence. We might hope for something
else, or better, or worse, but we only know what we have now. And
wasting that is a tragedy, and people just want to be given the excuse
that there's something else after... because this absolves them of
responsibility.
Death isn't an awakening. It's the end. And that alone should fill
everyone with the urgent need to pack as much life in as possible, as
much learning as possible, as much of everything as possible, and not
spend a whole lot of time in the pursuit of what comes next.
If the deity is omniscient, and omnipotent, he's already going to know
everything you've done, and will act accordingly, so contrition and
repentance at the end aren't going to have a whole lot of weight, are
they?
No. I choose to learn now, and ask questions now, and think now, and
let my "immortal soul" handle its own affairs after my physical body's
given up. After all, it has all the time forever at its disposal.
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306
atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 05:48:48 +0530
>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:29:43 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That's a rhetorical question, to which the answer is obviously "yes."
>>
>> ... and then you woke up. If not before, then death will be an
>> unpleasanrt awakening for you and all other atheists.
>[snip - boilerplate]
>
>I find it peculiar that theists so often accuse atheists of re-defining
>the word "atheism" as "absence of theism" (which is what it really
>means), yet they never seem to criticize or make fun of themselves for
>their implicit attempts to re-define the word "death" (which is final).
>
>Why do you call it death and then immediately proceed to contradict
>yourself by claiming that that death is an awakening? If it's death,
>then the possibility of an awakening is obviously and clearly ruled out.
The concept of death as an awakening is a salve for those who are
>On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 05:48:48 +0530
>Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:29:43 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent
>> atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>>
>> >That's a rhetorical question, to which the answer is obviously "yes."
>>
>> ... and then you woke up. If not before, then death will be an
>> unpleasanrt awakening for you and all other atheists.
>[snip - boilerplate]
>
>I find it peculiar that theists so often accuse atheists of re-defining
>the word "atheism" as "absence of theism" (which is what it really
>means), yet they never seem to criticize or make fun of themselves for
>their implicit attempts to re-define the word "death" (which is final).
>
>Why do you call it death and then immediately proceed to contradict
>yourself by claiming that that death is an awakening? If it's death,
>then the possibility of an awakening is obviously and clearly ruled out.
scared of shuffling off the mortal coil.
Nobody knows what's going to happen after the cells stop dancing,
Fidem, and that is just so unbelievably scary for most people that
there is an entire set of businesses dedicated to the softening of the
blow.
A lot of people find comfort in the notion that they will bask in the
soft light of a benevolent deity; others want to believe that their
enemies will be consigned to a lake of fire; yet others feel that an
awakening/reincarnation will somehow give them a second chance at what
they wasted the first time around.
I think that's awful.
I think it's grotesque that people can find solace in the idea that
they'll get another chance, or that they'll be wrapped in swaddling
clothes because they need so much succor after their lives are over.
As far as we know, we have this existence. We might hope for something
else, or better, or worse, but we only know what we have now. And
wasting that is a tragedy, and people just want to be given the excuse
that there's something else after... because this absolves them of
responsibility.
Death isn't an awakening. It's the end. And that alone should fill
everyone with the urgent need to pack as much life in as possible, as
much learning as possible, as much of everything as possible, and not
spend a whole lot of time in the pursuit of what comes next.
If the deity is omniscient, and omnipotent, he's already going to know
everything you've done, and will act accordingly, so contrition and
repentance at the end aren't going to have a whole lot of weight, are
they?
No. I choose to learn now, and ask questions now, and think now, and
let my "immortal soul" handle its own affairs after my physical body's
given up. After all, it has all the time forever at its disposal.
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306
Landis Ragon
Apr 18, 2013, 10:37:33 PM4/18/13
to
copied!
Jahnu
Apr 18, 2013, 10:48:14 PM4/18/13
to
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:37:33 -0500, Landis Ragon
<landis...@attgobal.net> wrote:
>SWEET!!!
>
>copied!
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5868151306191076866
Have a look at my art -
http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
<landis...@attgobal.net> wrote:
>SWEET!!!
>
>copied!
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5868151306191076866
Have a look at my art -
http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
Bob Casanova
Apr 19, 2013, 12:54:12 PM4/19/13
to
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:37:33 -0500, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Landis Ragon
<landis...@attgobal.net>:
<snip>
>>- The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense -
>>
>>http://www.crispian.net/PTOIN3.jpg
>
>
>
>SWEET!!!
Agreed.
>copied!
Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
in sci.skeptic, posted by Landis Ragon
<landis...@attgobal.net>:
<snip>
>>- The Periodic Table of Irrational Nonsense -
>>
>>http://www.crispian.net/PTOIN3.jpg
>
>
>
>SWEET!!!
>copied!
Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Jahnu
Apr 19, 2013, 10:05:18 PM4/19/13
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:54:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
Post this, too :)
"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
University, in an Oxford University Press text.
wrote:
>Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
University, in an Oxford University Press text.
Bob Casanova
Apr 20, 2013, 1:27:03 PM4/20/13
to
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:35:18 +0530, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com>:
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:54:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
>
>Post this, too :)
No, thanks; there are plenty of science denials posted there
already.
>"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
>accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
>a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
>Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
>University, in an Oxford University Press text.
"Wishful speculations"? Hardly. "Hypotheses based on known
physical and chemical processes" is quite a bit closer, deny
it as you may.
>Have a look at my art -
>
>http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
>http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
>http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
>http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
>http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
>http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
>http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
No, thanks; I tend to avoid YouTube and Facebook.
in sci.skeptic, posted by Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com>:
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:54:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
>
>Post this, too :)
already.
>"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
>accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
>a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
>Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
>University, in an Oxford University Press text.
physical and chemical processes" is quite a bit closer, deny
it as you may.
>Have a look at my art -
>
>http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
>http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
>http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
>http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
>http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
>http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
>http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
raven1
Apr 20, 2013, 10:46:51 AM4/20/13
to
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:35:18 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:54:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
>
>Post this, too :)
>
>"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
>accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
>a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
>Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
>University, in an Oxford University Press text.
I have a better idea, Jesper. Why don't you come over to talk.origins
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:54:12 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Same here. And posted to talk.origins.
>
>Post this, too :)
>
>"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
>accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
>a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
>Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
>University, in an Oxford University Press text.
and post material like this there? It would be fun to see how quickly
you run away with your tail between your legs at the responses.
---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight
Jahnu
Apr 20, 2013, 5:25:28 PM4/20/13
to
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:27:03 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>No, thanks; there are plenty of science denials posted there
>already.
The only one who denies science here is you. There is nothing
scientific about ET, and scientists agree. Only atheists fantasize ET
has anything to do with science.
"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are
great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the GREATEST HOAX
EVER." -- Dr.T.N.Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission
wrote:
>No, thanks; there are plenty of science denials posted there
>already.
scientific about ET, and scientists agree. Only atheists fantasize ET
has anything to do with science.
"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are
great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the GREATEST HOAX
EVER." -- Dr.T.N.Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission
Bob Casanova
Apr 21, 2013, 1:18:04 PM4/21/13
to
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 02:55:28 +0530, the following appeared
about observation and hypothesis, not belief in the
supernatural. And those (like you) who deny the validity of
those observations because they imagine they contradict a
particular religious belief are science deniers.
> There is nothing
>scientific about ET, and scientists agree.
Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
publicly-available evidence.
Oh, and quotes from "authorities" who published them prior
to, let's say, 1980 can be omitted, since in such a
fast-moving field they're no more relevant than Plato or
Aristotle.
> Only atheists fantasize ET
>has anything to do with science.
Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with atheism; one is
about science and the other is about religious faith. Sorry
you didn't know that.
>"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are
>great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the GREATEST HOAX
>EVER." -- Dr.T.N.Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission
Really? Here's another quote for you:
"Not only is the opinion of a single nuclear scientist of
questionable relevance, Dr. T. N. Tahmisian does not appear
to be a real person."
And even *if* he's not a figment of the imagination of a
Liar for Christ, as a (supposed) nuclear physicist he's no
more an authority about biology than I am. Sorry you didn't
know that.
>Have a look at my art -
Once again, no thanks.
>http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
>http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
>http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
>http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
>http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
>http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
>http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
>On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:27:03 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>>No, thanks; there are plenty of science denials posted there
>>already.
>The only one who denies science here is you.
Nope; sorry. Science, including evolutionary biology, is
>wrote:
>>No, thanks; there are plenty of science denials posted there
>>already.
>The only one who denies science here is you.
about observation and hypothesis, not belief in the
supernatural. And those (like you) who deny the validity of
those observations because they imagine they contradict a
particular religious belief are science deniers.
> There is nothing
>scientific about ET, and scientists agree.
biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
publicly-available evidence.
Oh, and quotes from "authorities" who published them prior
to, let's say, 1980 can be omitted, since in such a
fast-moving field they're no more relevant than Plato or
Aristotle.
> Only atheists fantasize ET
>has anything to do with science.
about science and the other is about religious faith. Sorry
you didn't know that.
>"Scientists who go about teaching that evolution is a fact of life are
>great con-men, And the story they are telling may be the GREATEST HOAX
>EVER." -- Dr.T.N.Tahmisian, Atomic Energy Commission
"Not only is the opinion of a single nuclear scientist of
questionable relevance, Dr. T. N. Tahmisian does not appear
to be a real person."
And even *if* he's not a figment of the imagination of a
Liar for Christ, as a (supposed) nuclear physicist he's no
more an authority about biology than I am. Sorry you didn't
know that.
>Have a look at my art -
>http://youtu.be/K6y-GNCHgow - Buddha Bar
>http://youtu.be/Ucvk5t2Inyk - Friction
>http://youtu.be/sVUgoBaq71Q - I am your soul
>http://youtu.be/2uRbsf9Vzg8 - Sudder street
>http://youtu.be/DC5OHr-Pm4I - Jahnava
>http://youtu.be/y9KqLPCWR1E - Krishnart
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu
>http://www.facebook.com/groups/138462029613179/
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq-n0bbhpaA - George
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QIX5h8y1w&feature - TOVP
Jahnu
Apr 21, 2013, 8:53:10 PM4/21/13
to
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:18:04 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
<blah blah>
>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>publicly-available evidence.
Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
Anyone who suggests that the world created itself without ID is a
brain-damaged simpleton, doesn't matter what he calls himself or how
many letters are after his name. Get it, Bob?
You see, atheism is a disease of the mind that makes people extremely
dumb and dull. That's why you don't find happy and satisfied or
generous atheists. Atheists are the scum of the earth, exactly as
predicted by God in the Bhagavad Gita - Krishna says:
Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg 7.15)
Here is what thinking people have to say about your retard creation
myth...
"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
University, in an Oxford University Press text.
"It remains a mystery how the undirected process of mutation, combined
with natural selection, has resulted in the creation of thousands of
new proteins with extraordinarily diverse and well optimized
functions. This problem is particularly acute for tightly integrated
molecular systems that consist of many interacting parts." --Two
leading biologists in Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics
"New species usually appear in the fossil record suddenly, not
connected with their ancestors by a series of intermediates."
--Eminent evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr
Have a look at my art -
wrote:
<blah blah>
>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>publicly-available evidence.
Anyone who suggests that the world created itself without ID is a
brain-damaged simpleton, doesn't matter what he calls himself or how
many letters are after his name. Get it, Bob?
You see, atheism is a disease of the mind that makes people extremely
dumb and dull. That's why you don't find happy and satisfied or
generous atheists. Atheists are the scum of the earth, exactly as
predicted by God in the Bhagavad Gita - Krishna says:
Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg 7.15)
Here is what thinking people have to say about your retard creation
myth...
"We must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian
accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only
a variety of wishful speculations." -- Franklin Harold, Emeritus
Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology at Colorado State
University, in an Oxford University Press text.
with natural selection, has resulted in the creation of thousands of
new proteins with extraordinarily diverse and well optimized
functions. This problem is particularly acute for tightly integrated
molecular systems that consist of many interacting parts." --Two
leading biologists in Annual Review of Genomics and Human Genetics
"New species usually appear in the fossil record suddenly, not
connected with their ancestors by a series of intermediates."
--Eminent evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr
Have a look at my art -
Mike Duffy
Apr 21, 2013, 9:30:44 PM4/21/13
to
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:hh19n81n8330s80ul...@4ax.com:
> You see, atheism is a disease of the mind
Janhu, which of the following is your idea of atheism:
1) Someone who rejects the idea of gods.
2) Someone who has never been exposed to the idea.
3) Someone who considers the whole idea a pointless argument if the two
parties discussing it do not agree on what a "god" is.
4) Something else?
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
news:hh19n81n8330s80ul...@4ax.com:
> You see, atheism is a disease of the mind
1) Someone who rejects the idea of gods.
2) Someone who has never been exposed to the idea.
3) Someone who considers the whole idea a pointless argument if the two
parties discussing it do not agree on what a "god" is.
4) Something else?
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
Jahnu
Apr 22, 2013, 1:40:27 AM4/22/13
to
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 01:30:44 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>Janhu, which of the following is your idea of atheism:
>
>1) Someone who rejects the idea of gods.
This one.
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>Janhu, which of the following is your idea of atheism:
>
>1) Someone who rejects the idea of gods.
>2) Someone who has never been exposed to the idea.
>
>3) Someone who considers the whole idea a pointless argument if the two
>parties discussing it do not agree on what a "god" is.
that is offers a consistent definition of God. There are several
definitions given, but personally I like the one offered by Brahma -
the god of creation:
Krishna, also known as Govinda, is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
He has a body consisting of eternity, knowledge and bliss. He has no
other cause than Himself, for He is the cause of all other causes.
(Brahma-samhita 5.1)
So, in short, God is defined as the cause of all causes. This is also
confirmed in Vedanta Sutra - janmady yasya yatah - the Supreme is
that source from which everything emanates.
raven1
Apr 22, 2013, 7:27:15 AM4/22/13
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:23:10 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:18:04 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
><blah blah>
>
>>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>>publicly-available evidence.
>
>Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:18:04 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
><blah blah>
>
>>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>>publicly-available evidence.
>
>Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
Bob Casanova
Apr 22, 2013, 1:28:53 PM4/22/13
to
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:23:10 +0530, the following appeared
science noted.
>>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>>publicly-available evidence.
>
>Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
Inability to support your assertions, and ignorance
regarding the nature of scientific disciplines, noted.
HAND.
<snip rant>
>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:18:04 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
><blah blah>
Inability to refute statements regarding the nature of
>wrote:
><blah blah>
science noted.
>>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>>publicly-available evidence.
>
>Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
regarding the nature of scientific disciplines, noted.
HAND.
<snip rant>
Bob Casanova
Apr 22, 2013, 1:30:41 PM4/22/13
to
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:27:15 -0400, the following appeared
in sci.skeptic, posted by raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com>:
>On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:23:10 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:18:04 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>>wrote:
fails to support them.
in sci.skeptic, posted by raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com>:
>On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 06:23:10 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 10:18:04 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>>wrote:
>>>Name ten biologists (not "scientists", but specifically
>>>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>>>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>>>publicly-available evidence.
>>Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
>Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
>know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
>you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
He doesn't "discuss"; he makes ignorant pronouncements and
>>>biologists; other disciplines are irrelevant) who agree with
>>>you. Be prepared to support your claims with cites to
>>>publicly-available evidence.
>>Biologists? hahaha :) What the hell do they know about the world?
>Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
>know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
>you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
fails to support them.
Jahnu
Apr 22, 2013, 8:51:17 PM4/22/13
to
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:27:15 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
>know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
>you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
The sage, Kavi says:
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
>know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
>you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
Although the duality of the material world does not ultimately exist,
the conditioned soul experiences it as real under the influence of his
own conditioned intelligence. This imaginary experience of a world
separate from Krsna can be compared to the acts of dreaming and
desiring. When the conditioned soul dreams at night of something
desirable or horrible, or when he daydreams of what he would like to
have or avoid, he creates a reality that has no existence beyond his
own imagination. The tendency of the mind is to accept and reject
various activities based on sense gratification. Therefore an
intelligent person should control the mind, restricting it from the
illusion of seeing things separate from Krsna, and when the mind is
thus controlled he will experience actual fearlessness.
--Srimad Bhagavatam, 11.2.38
Mike Duffy
Apr 22, 2013, 9:26:55 PM4/22/13
to
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ebi9n8hvorff8m4hs...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 01:30:44 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
> <Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>
>>Janhu, which of the following is your idea of atheism:
>>
>>1) Someone who rejects the idea of gods.
>
> This one.
Does this apply to someone who hears about gods from someone very inept at
providing a good explanation? (e.g. who uses logical fallacies, etc.)
> Krishna ... has no other cause than Himself,
Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
news:ebi9n8hvorff8m4hs...@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 01:30:44 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
> <Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>
>>Janhu, which of the following is your idea of atheism:
>>
>>1) Someone who rejects the idea of gods.
>
> This one.
providing a good explanation? (e.g. who uses logical fallacies, etc.)
> Krishna ... has no other cause than Himself,
> for He is the cause of all other causes.
>
>
> So, in short, God is defined as the cause of all causes.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning :
Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
--
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Jahnu
Apr 22, 2013, 9:45:37 PM4/22/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:26:55 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>Does this apply to someone who hears about gods from someone very inept at
>providing a good explanation? (e.g. who uses logical fallacies, etc.)
I'd say that people who reject bad, inconsistent explanations of God
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>Does this apply to someone who hears about gods from someone very inept at
>providing a good explanation? (e.g. who uses logical fallacies, etc.)
are agnostics rather than atheists. Atheists just reject God whatever
the qualitty of the explantion. That's because atheists by definition
are less intelligent.
>Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
offered by any other religion on the planet. There is no question -
religious, philosophical, existential or otherwise which is left
unanswered in the Vedic tradition. That's not my belief, it's a fact
that can be investigated and verified by any open-minded person.
That, of course, excludes the vast majority of atheists.
Krishna says:
My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)
This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)
Mike Duffy
Apr 22, 2013, 9:57:55 PM4/22/13
to
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:q6pbn85vcoeifr9ce...@4ax.com:
> ... That's because atheists by definition are less intelligent.
Actually, it means "Lack of belief in gods".
>>Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
>
> Whatever. ...
So you agree with me.
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
news:q6pbn85vcoeifr9ce...@4ax.com:
> ... That's because atheists by definition are less intelligent.
Actually, it means "Lack of belief in gods".
>>Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
>
So you agree with me.
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
Mike Duffy
Apr 22, 2013, 9:58:17 PM4/22/13
to
Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:q6pbn85vcoeifr9ce...@4ax.com:
> ... That's because atheists by definition are less intelligent.
Actually, it means "Lack of belief in gods".
> ... That's because atheists by definition are less intelligent.
Actually, it means "Lack of belief in gods".
>>Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
>
>
Dreamer In Colore
Apr 23, 2013, 12:24:12 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:15:37 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:26:55 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
><Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>
>>Does this apply to someone who hears about gods from someone very inept at
>>providing a good explanation? (e.g. who uses logical fallacies, etc.)
>
>I'd say that people who reject bad, inconsistent explanations of God
>are agnostics rather than atheists. Atheists just reject God whatever
>the qualitty of the explantion. That's because atheists by definition
>are less intelligent.
>
Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:26:55 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
><Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>
>>Does this apply to someone who hears about gods from someone very inept at
>>providing a good explanation? (e.g. who uses logical fallacies, etc.)
>
>I'd say that people who reject bad, inconsistent explanations of God
>are agnostics rather than atheists. Atheists just reject God whatever
>the qualitty of the explantion. That's because atheists by definition
>are less intelligent.
>
Look, Jahnu or Jesper or whatever you want to go by... atheists just
lack belief in the supernatural. It says nothing about their
intelligence, and the level of irony of you commenting on the
intelligence of others is astonishing.
>>Circular reasoning ... is a logical fallacy
>
>Whatever. The Vedic definition of God is superior to definitions
>offered by any other religion on the planet. There is no question -
>religious, philosophical, existential or otherwise which is left
>unanswered in the Vedic tradition. That's not my belief, it's a fact
>that can be investigated and verified by any open-minded person.
>That, of course, excludes the vast majority of atheists.
>
based on a supernatural entity? Your initial premise is already
flawed...
Start with something verifiable and repeatable that can't be explained
by a natural phenomenon, and we'll go from there, 'kay?
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306
Jahnu
Apr 23, 2013, 2:45:25 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 01:57:55 +0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>Actually, it means "Lack of belief in gods".
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --
<Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> wrote:
>Actually, it means "Lack of belief in gods".
they believe in anything." -- GK Chesterton
>> Whatever. ...
>
>So you agree with me.
point. It's like saying it's circular reasoning to say that the
evidence of 2+2=4 is circular reasoning..
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable
superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able
to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. --ALBERT EINSTEIN
Jahnu
Apr 23, 2013, 2:49:11 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
<dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
Krishna says:
What is night for all beings is the time of awakening for the
self-controlled; and the time of awakening for all beings is night for
the introspective sage. (Bg 2.69)
raven1
Apr 23, 2013, 7:19:10 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 06:21:17 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:27:15 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>>something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
>>know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
>>you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
>
>The sage, Kavi says:
*Yawn*. I know you have the attention span of a mayfly, Jesper, but do
>On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:27:15 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Here's a radical idea, Jesper: why don't you try actually learning
>>something about the field and find out for yourself what biologists
>>know, and how they know it? It's no one's fault but your own that
>>you're comically ignorant of every topic you attempt to discuss.
>
>The sage, Kavi says:
try to keep your attempted responses relevant.
Dreamer In Colore
Apr 23, 2013, 7:48:29 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:19:11 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
>
>I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
>dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
>intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
>
And you're even adopting the same snip tactics that Dork does. You
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
>
>I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
>dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
>intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
>
have as much credibility as a turnip.
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306
Jahnu
Apr 23, 2013, 8:33:24 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:19:10 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>*Yawn*. I know you have the attention span of a mayfly, Jesper, but do
>try to keep your attempted responses relevant.
"Materialism is the philosophy of the subject that forgets
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>*Yawn*. I know you have the attention span of a mayfly, Jesper, but do
>try to keep your attempted responses relevant.
to take account of itself." - Arthur Schopenhauer
raven1
Apr 23, 2013, 9:31:21 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 18:03:24 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:19:10 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>*Yawn*. I know you have the attention span of a mayfly, Jesper, but do
>>try to keep your attempted responses relevant.
>
>"Materialism
You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:19:10 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>*Yawn*. I know you have the attention span of a mayfly, Jesper, but do
>>try to keep your attempted responses relevant.
>
>"Materialism
Jahnu
Apr 23, 2013, 10:42:04 AM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:31:21 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
Krishna says:
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal
fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very
hard with the six senses, which include the mind. (Bg. 15.7)
The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another. (Bg. 15.8)
The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain
type of ear, eye, tongue, nose and sense of touch, which are grouped
about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects. (Bg.
15.9)
The foolish cannot understand how a living entity can quit his body,
nor can they understand what sort of body he enjoys under the spell of
the modes of nature. But one whose eyes are trained in knowledge can
see all this. (Bg. 15.10)
The endeavoring transcendentalists who are situated in
self-realization can see all this clearly. But those whose minds are
not developed and who are not situated in self-realization cannot see
what is taking place, though they may try to. (Bg. 15.11)
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869971009691014914
raven1
Apr 23, 2013, 12:07:27 PM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:12:04 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:31:21 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
>
>Krishna says: "Why does my devotee keep proving this atheist right?"
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:31:21 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
>
Bob Casanova
Apr 23, 2013, 1:20:56 PM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:12:04 +0530, the following appeared
vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
And your response reduces to "No, I never tire of proving
your point".
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:31:21 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
>Krishna says:
...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>You truly never tire of proving my point, do you Jesper?
>Krishna says:
vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
And your response reduces to "No, I never tire of proving
your point".
Jahnu
Apr 23, 2013, 8:50:08 PM4/23/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:20:56 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton... yet another squawking
fool in the assembly place for crows.
Hey Bird Twat, you've got worthy company :) You two ought to get
together and wear long pointy hats :)
Great reknown philosophers, writers and poets, important people down
through the ages, who have made their mark on history, have all taken
inspiration from Krishna's words, and in comes Joe Loser -- but, but
only a few deluded people listen to Krishna.
hahaha :) What can you do, but laugh out loudly at such imbecility :)
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
"When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and
I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad Geeta and
find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the
midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will
derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day." - Mahatma Gandhi
"The marvel of the Bhagavad Geeta is its truly beautiful revelation of
life's wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion." -
Herman Hesse
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley
"The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been
current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided
by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states 'behold we are not an
earthly but a heavenly plant.' This correlation can be discerned by
what Krishna expresses in chapter 15 of Bhagavad Geeta." - Carl Jung
"The Bhagavad Geeta has a profound influence on the spirit of mankind
by its devotion to God which is manifested by actions." - Dr. Albert
Schweitzer
"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal
philosophy of the Bhagavad Geeta, in comparison with which our modern
world and its literature seem puny and trivial." - Henry David
Thoreau
"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita"
- Henry David Thoreau
"In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating
as that of the Upanishads. It has been the
solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death." -- Arthur
Schopenhauer
wrote:
>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
fool in the assembly place for crows.
Hey Bird Twat, you've got worthy company :) You two ought to get
together and wear long pointy hats :)
Great reknown philosophers, writers and poets, important people down
through the ages, who have made their mark on history, have all taken
inspiration from Krishna's words, and in comes Joe Loser -- but, but
only a few deluded people listen to Krishna.
hahaha :) What can you do, but laugh out loudly at such imbecility :)
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
"When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and
I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad Geeta and
find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the
midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will
derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day." - Mahatma Gandhi
"The marvel of the Bhagavad Geeta is its truly beautiful revelation of
life's wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion." -
Herman Hesse
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley
"The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been
current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided
by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states 'behold we are not an
earthly but a heavenly plant.' This correlation can be discerned by
what Krishna expresses in chapter 15 of Bhagavad Geeta." - Carl Jung
"The Bhagavad Geeta has a profound influence on the spirit of mankind
by its devotion to God which is manifested by actions." - Dr. Albert
Schweitzer
"In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal
philosophy of the Bhagavad Geeta, in comparison with which our modern
world and its literature seem puny and trivial." - Henry David
Thoreau
"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita"
- Henry David Thoreau
"In the whole world there is no study so beneficial and so elevating
as that of the Upanishads. It has been the
solace of my life -- it will be the solace of my death." -- Arthur
Schopenhauer
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 23, 2013, 10:37:48 PM4/23/13
to
In article <e6tcn8phc8ktpkd48...@4ax.com>,
There's absolutely no chance of anyone here (other than your fellow
religious nuts) is going to think you intelligent. So you don't need to
worry about it.
> And you're even adopting the same snip tactics that Dork does. You
> have as much credibility as a turnip.
Why are you insulting turnips?
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Dreamer In Colore <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:19:11 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> ><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
> >
> >I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
> >dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
> >intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
<piggybacking>
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:19:11 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> ><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
> >
> >I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
> >dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
> >intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
There's absolutely no chance of anyone here (other than your fellow
religious nuts) is going to think you intelligent. So you don't need to
worry about it.
> And you're even adopting the same snip tactics that Dork does. You
> have as much credibility as a turnip.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Dreamer In Colore
Apr 23, 2013, 11:28:53 PM4/23/13
to
"You're a fucking idiot." Clearly my years in Canada have somewhat
mellowed my Mediterranean feistiness.
Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306
Jahnu
Apr 24, 2013, 12:07:43 AM4/24/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:37:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>There's absolutely no chance of anyone here (other than your fellow
>religious nuts) is going to think you intelligent. So you don't need to
>worry about it.
Good, what a relief :)
>religious nuts) is going to think you intelligent. So you don't need to
>worry about it.
Krishna says:
Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg. 9.11)
Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg. 9.12)
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 24, 2013, 2:41:30 AM4/24/13
to
In article <l4ken81tv5217675g...@4ax.com>,
Dreamer In Colore <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:37:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <e6tcn8phc8ktpkd48...@4ax.com>,
> > Dreamer In Colore <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:19:11 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> >> ><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
> >> >
> >> >I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
> >> >dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
> >> >intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
> >
> ><piggybacking>
> >
> >There's absolutely no chance of anyone here (other than your fellow
> >religious nuts) is going to think you intelligent. So you don't need to
> >worry about it.
> >
> >
> >> And you're even adopting the same snip tactics that Dork does. You
> >> have as much credibility as a turnip.
> >
> >Why are you insulting turnips?
>
> I hereby apologize to any and all turnips. What I should have said was
> "You're a fucking idiot." Clearly my years in Canada have somewhat
> mellowed my Mediterranean feistiness.
<giggle>
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:37:48 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <e6tcn8phc8ktpkd48...@4ax.com>,
> > Dreamer In Colore <dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:19:11 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 00:24:12 -0400, Dreamer In Colore
> >> ><dreamer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Holy crap. I never thought I'd say this, but this is as dumb as Duke.
> >> >
> >> >I am glad you think that. To be considered dumb by someone incredibly
> >> >dumb is a good sign. The minute someone like you considers me
> >> >intelligent, I know I'm in deep shit :)
> >
> ><piggybacking>
> >
> >There's absolutely no chance of anyone here (other than your fellow
> >religious nuts) is going to think you intelligent. So you don't need to
> >worry about it.
> >
> >
> >> And you're even adopting the same snip tactics that Dork does. You
> >> have as much credibility as a turnip.
> >
> >Why are you insulting turnips?
>
> I hereby apologize to any and all turnips. What I should have said was
> "You're a fucking idiot." Clearly my years in Canada have somewhat
> mellowed my Mediterranean feistiness.
Jahnu
Apr 24, 2013, 3:58:37 AM4/24/13
to
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:41:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
><giggle>
Are you a dumb blonde or do you just sound like one? :)
BTW, you know this dumb-blonde joke?
A dumb blonde comes into the doctor's office. She has her head-phones
on. The doctor gives her instructions, but she doesn't seem to hear a
word he says. Docotor goes, take off your phones so you can hear what
I say. No reaction. Doctor, annoyed, leans over his desk and rips off
the head-phones, and the dumb-blonde makes som choking noices and
drops dead on the spot. The doctor is shocked Then he listens to her
head-phones - breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out, he
hears a voice in the head-phones :)
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970982422160194
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
><giggle>
Are you a dumb blonde or do you just sound like one? :)
BTW, you know this dumb-blonde joke?
A dumb blonde comes into the doctor's office. She has her head-phones
on. The doctor gives her instructions, but she doesn't seem to hear a
word he says. Docotor goes, take off your phones so you can hear what
I say. No reaction. Doctor, annoyed, leans over his desk and rips off
the head-phones, and the dumb-blonde makes som choking noices and
drops dead on the spot. The doctor is shocked Then he listens to her
head-phones - breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out, he
hears a voice in the head-phones :)
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5869970982422160194
raven1
Apr 24, 2013, 11:05:51 AM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:20:08 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:20:56 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
>>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
>
>Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton...
Says the uneducated simpleton...
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:20:56 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
>>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
>
>Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton...
Jahnu
Apr 24, 2013, 12:01:37 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:05:51 -0400, raven1
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Says the uneducated simpleton...
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
<quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>Says the uneducated simpleton...
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Ken
Apr 24, 2013, 12:19:42 PM4/24/13
to
On Apr 24, 8:05 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:20:08 +0530, Jahnu <jahnud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:20:56 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
> >wrote:
>
> >>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
> >>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
>
> >Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton...
>
> Says the uneducated simpleton...
And drug addict!
> >On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:20:56 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
> >wrote:
>
> >>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
> >>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
>
> >Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton...
>
> Says the uneducated simpleton...
Bob Casanova
Apr 24, 2013, 1:31:54 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 06:20:08 +0530, the following appeared
You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
wisdom in the Bible.
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:20:56 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
>>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
>
>Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton... yet another squawking
>fool in the assembly place for crows.
Touched a nerve, did I?
>wrote:
>
>>...nothing of interest, since Krishna is an imaginary
>>vehicle for the opinions of a few deluded individuals.
>
>Hehe. listen to this uneducated simpleton... yet another squawking
>fool in the assembly place for crows.
anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
wisdom in the Bible.
Bob Casanova
Apr 24, 2013, 1:33:29 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:31:37 +0530, the following appeared
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:05:51 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Says the uneducated simpleton...
>
>"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
>books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
>but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
>in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
>questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
So?
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Says the uneducated simpleton...
>
>"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
>books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
>but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
>in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
>questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
raven1
Apr 24, 2013, 3:00:39 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 21:31:37 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:05:51 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Says the uneducated simpleton...
>
>"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
>books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
>but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
>in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
>questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Missing the point, as always, Jesper. Even if every word in the
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:05:51 -0400, raven1
><quotht...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
>>Says the uneducated simpleton...
>
>"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
>books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
>but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
>in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
>questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Bhagavad-Gita were true, you'd still be an uneducated simpleton.
raven1
Apr 24, 2013, 5:24:17 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:28:37 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:41:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>><giggle>
>
>Are you a dumb blonde or do you just sound like one?
Are you a poorly-educated burnt-out hippie drummer who joined a cult,
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 23:41:30 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
><hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>><giggle>
>
>Are you a dumb blonde or do you just sound like one?
or do *you* just sound like one, Jesper?
---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight
Jahnu
Apr 24, 2013, 9:32:30 PM4/24/13
to
On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:33:29 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>So?
Makes you look like a real ignorant, uneducated hick :)
---but, but it's really important what a useless trailer-park loser
like me has to say about Krishna, whereas brilliant, famous people
like Emerson?... it's not important what they have to say about
Krishna...
hahaha :) see how atheism has wasted your brain away, Bob?
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by
man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the
sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten,
nothing overlooked.
"Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech,
grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that
all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would
not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe
combined." --Mark Twain
wrote:
>So?
Makes you look like a real ignorant, uneducated hick :)
---but, but it's really important what a useless trailer-park loser
like me has to say about Krishna, whereas brilliant, famous people
like Emerson?... it's not important what they have to say about
Krishna...
hahaha :) see how atheism has wasted your brain away, Bob?
"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by
man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the
sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten,
nothing overlooked.
"Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech,
grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that
all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would
not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe
combined." --Mark Twain
Ken
Apr 24, 2013, 9:37:15 PM4/24/13
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Krishna saz: Jahnu is a real ignorant, uneducated hick
Jahnu
Apr 24, 2013, 9:50:16 PM4/24/13
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On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:37:15 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flak...@aol.com>
wrote:
>I'm a real ignorant, uneducated hick
We know :) Every time you open your mouth, it become apparent...
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5861362136673043394
wrote:
>I'm a real ignorant, uneducated hick
We know :) Every time you open your mouth, it become apparent...
https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu#5861362136673043394
Ken
Apr 24, 2013, 10:44:11 PM4/24/13
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Krishna saz: Jahnu is a real ignorant, uneducated piece of shit
raven1
Apr 25, 2013, 10:18:36 AM4/25/13
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:02:30 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:33:29 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>So?
>
>Makes you look like a real ignorant, uneducated hick :)
>
>---but, but it's really important what a useless trailer-park loser
As opposed to a burnt-out hippie drummer who sits around uselessly
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:33:29 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>So?
>
>Makes you look like a real ignorant, uneducated hick :)
>
>---but, but it's really important what a useless trailer-park loser
chanting to imaginary smurfs, and spends the rest of his time arguing
fruitlessly with atheists, Jesper? Your complete lack of
self-awareness (not to mention any sense of irony) is endlessly
fascinating.
>like me has to say about Krishna, whereas brilliant, famous people
>like Emerson?... it's not important what they have to say about
>Krishna...
invalid appeal to authority, you silly twit.
Bob Casanova
Apr 25, 2013, 1:20:32 PM4/25/13
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:02:30 +0530, the following appeared
>, whereas brilliant, famous people
>like Emerson?... it's not important what they have to say about
>Krishna...
You're an idiot who doesn't even understand his own posts.
Not one of your quotes even mentioned Krishna, and neither
do the ones below. Here's the part you snipped because you
couldn't refute it:
"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
wisdom in the Bible."
Note especially that last sentence, and try to understand
its meaning.
>hahaha :) see how atheism has wasted your brain away, Bob?
You have no idea whether I'm an atheist or a fundamentalist
Christian; both would agree with the fact that Krishna is
imaginary. Sorry you're too stupid to realize that.
>"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by
>man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the
>sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten,
>nothing overlooked.
>
>"Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech,
>grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that
>all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would
>not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe
>combined." --Mark Twain
>
>Have a look at my art -
No.
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 10:33:29 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>So?
>
>Makes you look like a real ignorant, uneducated hick :)
>
>---but, but it's really important what a useless trailer-park loser
>like me has to say about Krishna
Sorry, but no, it's not.
>wrote:
>
>>So?
>
>Makes you look like a real ignorant, uneducated hick :)
>
>---but, but it's really important what a useless trailer-park loser
>like me has to say about Krishna
>, whereas brilliant, famous people
>like Emerson?... it's not important what they have to say about
>Krishna...
Not one of your quotes even mentioned Krishna, and neither
do the ones below. Here's the part you snipped because you
couldn't refute it:
"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
wisdom in the Bible."
its meaning.
>hahaha :) see how atheism has wasted your brain away, Bob?
Christian; both would agree with the fact that Krishna is
imaginary. Sorry you're too stupid to realize that.
>"So far as I am able to judge, nothing has been left undone, either by
>man or nature, to make India the most extraordinary country that the
>sun visits on his rounds. Nothing seems to have been forgotten,
>nothing overlooked.
>
>"Land of religions, cradle of human race, birthplace of human speech,
>grandmother of legend, great grandmother of tradition. The land that
>all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would
>not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe
>combined." --Mark Twain
>
>Have a look at my art -
Bob Casanova
Apr 25, 2013, 1:21:28 PM4/25/13
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:20:16 +0530, the following appeared
>On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 18:37:15 -0700 (PDT), Ken <flak...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm a real ignorant, uneducated hick
>
>We know
"We"? You have a tapeworm?
>wrote:
>
>>I'm a real ignorant, uneducated hick
>
>We know
Jahnu
Apr 25, 2013, 7:27:34 PM4/25/13
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:20:32 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
<blah blah>
>You have no idea whether I'm an atheist or a fundamentalist
>Christian; both would agree with the fact that Krishna is
>imaginary. Sorry you're too stupid to realize that.
You must have me confused with someone who gives a shit what you are
:) And who would care even slightly what atheists and Christian
fundamentalists agree on? What's that got to do with reality?
"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau
Have a look at my art -
wrote:
<blah blah>
>You have no idea whether I'm an atheist or a fundamentalist
>Christian; both would agree with the fact that Krishna is
>imaginary. Sorry you're too stupid to realize that.
:) And who would care even slightly what atheists and Christian
fundamentalists agree on? What's that got to do with reality?
"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau
Have a look at my art -
raven1
Apr 26, 2013, 8:02:30 AM4/26/13
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:57:34 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You must have me confused with someone who gives a shit
Jesper, the list of things you obviously don't give a shit about -
>You must have me confused with someone who gives a shit
things like honesty, logic, science, history, intellectual integrity,
and knowing what the hell you're talking about - is practically
endless. What's truly amazing, however, is that you regard your apathy
towards, and deficiencies in these areas as positive traits, rather
than the major character flaws they actually are.
Bob Casanova
Apr 26, 2013, 12:54:17 PM4/26/13
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 04:57:34 +0530, the following appeared
"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
wisdom in the Bible."
Note especially that last sentence, and try to understand
its meaning.
>>hahaha :) see how atheism has wasted your brain away, Bob?
> with someone who gives a shit what you are
>:) And who would care even slightly what atheists and Christian
>fundamentalists agree on? What's that got to do with reality?
Damfino. So why did you think it was important to call me a
atheist, as if that mattered to reality?
>"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
>ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
>subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau
And still no mention of Krishna. I wonder why?
>On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:20:32 -0700, Flob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
[Text Jahnu ran away from restored]
>wrote:
"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
wisdom in the Bible."
Note especially that last sentence, and try to understand
its meaning.
>>hahaha :) see how atheism has wasted your brain away, Bob?
>>You have no idea whether I'm an atheist or a fundamentalist
>>Christian; both would agree with the fact that Krishna is
>>imaginary. Sorry you're too stupid to realize that.
>You must have me confused
No need; you accomplish that quite handily.
>>Christian; both would agree with the fact that Krishna is
>>imaginary. Sorry you're too stupid to realize that.
>You must have me confused
> with someone who gives a shit what you are
>:) And who would care even slightly what atheists and Christian
>fundamentalists agree on? What's that got to do with reality?
atheist, as if that mattered to reality?
>"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
>ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
>subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau
Jahnu
Apr 26, 2013, 6:32:56 PM4/26/13
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:54:17 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
>anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
>are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
>is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
>that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
>nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
>believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
>wisdom in the Bible."
Sure... a wise man will pick out gold even from a heap of garbage.
>Damfino. So why did you think it was important to call me a
>atheist, as if that mattered to reality?
Well, if the shoe fits.... :)
Krishna says:
Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg.15)
>>"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
>>ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
>>subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau
>
>And still no mention of Krishna. I wonder why?
Wonder away...
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
wrote:
>"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
>anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
>are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
>is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
>that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
>nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
>believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
>wisdom in the Bible."
>Damfino. So why did you think it was important to call me a
>atheist, as if that mattered to reality?
Krishna says:
Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among
mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the
atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me. (Bg.15)
>>"The religion and philosophy of the Hebrews are those of a wilder and
>>ruder tribe, wanting the civility and intellectual refinements and
>>subtlety of Vedic culture." - Henry David Thoreau
>
>And still no mention of Krishna. I wonder why?
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
raven1
Apr 27, 2013, 11:53:26 AM4/27/13
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:02:56 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Sure... a wise man will pick out gold even from a heap of garbage.
And a fool like you will proclaim that the garbage is gold.
>
>Sure... a wise man will pick out gold even from a heap of garbage.
Bob Casanova
Apr 27, 2013, 12:02:27 PM4/27/13
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:02:56 +0530, the following appeared
favorite religious text as well.
--
Bob C.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
>On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:54:17 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>>"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
>>anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
>>are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
>>is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
>>that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
>>nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
>>believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
>>wisdom in the Bible."
>Sure... a wise man will pick out gold even from a heap of garbage.
Glad you finally recognize that, and that it applies to your
>wrote:
>>"You need to learn to read for comprehension. Whether or not
>>anyone can find wisdom in the Bhagavad Gita (assuming those
>>are actual quotes and not something you fabricated), Krishna
>>is imaginary, and those who claim otherwise are deluded in
>>that, regardless of how wise they may be otherwise. *And
>>nothing you posted refutes that*. Lots of people who don't
>>believe in Christ as a deity, or in a six-day Creation, find
>>wisdom in the Bible."
>Sure... a wise man will pick out gold even from a heap of garbage.
favorite religious text as well.
--
Bob C.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
Jahnu
Apr 27, 2013, 8:01:02 PM4/27/13
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:02:27 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>Glad you finally recognize that, and that it applies to your
>favorite religious text as well.
Get an education, bozo... here is what some thinking people have to
say about your ignorant, trailerpark-trash statement.
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
wrote:
>Glad you finally recognize that, and that it applies to your
>favorite religious text as well.
say about your ignorant, trailerpark-trash statement.
"I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavad Geeta. It was the first of
books; it was as if an empire spoke to us, nothing small or unworthy,
but large, serene, consistent, the voice of an old intelligence which
in another age and climate had pondered and thus disposed of the same
questions which exercise us." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
"When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and
I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad Geeta and
find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the
midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will
derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day." - Mahatma Gandhi
"The marvel of the Bhagavad Geeta is its truly beautiful revelation of
life's wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion." -
Herman Hesse
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley
"The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been
current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided
by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states 'behold we are not an
earthly but a heavenly plant.' This correlation can be discerned by
what Krishna expresses in chapter 15 of Bhagavad Geeta." - Carl Jung
I see not one ray of hope on the horizon, I turn to Bhagavad Geeta and
find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the
midst of overwhelming sorrow. Those who meditate on the Gita will
derive fresh joy and new meanings from it every day." - Mahatma Gandhi
"The marvel of the Bhagavad Geeta is its truly beautiful revelation of
life's wisdom which enables philosophy to blossom into religion." -
Herman Hesse
"The Bhagavad Geeta is the most systematic statement of spiritual
evolution of endowing value to mankind. It is one of the most clear
and comprehensive summaries of perennial philosophy ever revealed;
hence its enduring value is subject not only to India but to all of
humanity." - Aldous Huxley
"The idea that man is like unto an inverted tree seems to have been
current in by gone ages. The link with Vedic conceptions is provided
by Plato in his Timaeus in which it states 'behold we are not an
earthly but a heavenly plant.' This correlation can be discerned by
what Krishna expresses in chapter 15 of Bhagavad Geeta." - Carl Jung
raven1
Apr 28, 2013, 10:41:48 AM4/28/13
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:31:02 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:02:27 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Glad you finally recognize that, and that it applies to your
>>favorite religious text as well.
>
>Get an education, bozo
Get a sense of irony, Jesper. You're probably the most miseducated
>On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:02:27 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Glad you finally recognize that, and that it applies to your
>>favorite religious text as well.
>
>Get an education, bozo
individual I've ever encountered, either online, or in real life.
There is absolutely no subject in which you display even minimal
competence, and most of what you *think* you know is comically wrong,
because the cult leaders you're getting your misinformation from don't
know what the hell they're talking about either.
Bob Casanova
Apr 28, 2013, 1:41:07 PM4/28/13
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:31:02 +0530, the following appeared
yours, since I understand, as you don't, that every quote
you provide confirms my statement.
Hey, finally a mention of the imaginary Krishna! Congrats!
>On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:02:27 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>wrote:
>>On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:02:56 +0530, the following appeared
>in sci.skeptic, posted by Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com>:
>in sci.skeptic, posted by Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com>:
>>>a wise man will pick out gold even from a heap of garbage.
>>Glad you finally recognize that, and that it applies to your
>>favorite religious text as well.
>Get an education
Got one, thanks. And apparently it's quite a bit better than
>>favorite religious text as well.
>Get an education
yours, since I understand, as you don't, that every quote
you provide confirms my statement.
Jahnu
Apr 28, 2013, 5:49:15 PM4/28/13
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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:
>Got one, thanks.
Really, you need an education to clean toilets these days? I guess you
do... hahaha :)
>And apparently it's quite a bit better than
>yours, since I understand, as you don't, that every quote
>you provide confirms my statement.
Doesn't take much to convince you of anything, eh? :)
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --
they believe in anything." � -- �GK Chesterton
wrote:
>Got one, thanks.
Really, you need an education to clean toilets these days? I guess you
do... hahaha :)
>And apparently it's quite a bit better than
>yours, since I understand, as you don't, that every quote
>you provide confirms my statement.
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --
they believe in anything." � -- �GK Chesterton
raven1
Apr 29, 2013, 7:56:50 AM4/29/13
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:19:15 +0530, Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Got one, thanks.
>
>Really, you need an education to clean toilets
Like the Ganges, Jesper?
>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>Got one, thanks.
>
>Really, you need an education to clean toilets
Bob Casanova
Apr 29, 2013, 1:04:44 PM4/29/13
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:19:15 +0530, the following appeared
Yes, really. You should try it.
>>And apparently it's quite a bit better than
>>yours, since I understand, as you don't, that every quote
>>you provide confirms my statement.
>Doesn't take much to convince you of anything, eh? :)
Well, it took only a few of your posts to convince me that
you're an ignorant twit who still can't quite grasp the fact
that none of your quotes supported your belief that Krishna
is anything but imaginary. Is that "not much"?
>"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --
>they believe in anything." -- GK Chesterton
Chesterton believed in Krishna? Then why didn't he say so?
>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:41:07 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>wrote:
>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 05:31:02 +0530, the following appeared
>>in sci.skeptic, posted by Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com>:
>>in sci.skeptic, posted by Jahnu <jahn...@gmail.com>:
>>>Get an education
>>Got one, thanks.
>Really
>>Got one, thanks.
Yes, really. You should try it.
>>And apparently it's quite a bit better than
>>yours, since I understand, as you don't, that every quote
>>you provide confirms my statement.
>Doesn't take much to convince you of anything, eh? :)
you're an ignorant twit who still can't quite grasp the fact
that none of your quotes supported your belief that Krishna
is anything but imaginary. Is that "not much"?
>"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing --
>they believe in anything." -- GK Chesterton
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