chi/qi/ki/prana

[David Dalton]

Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?

If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
with the palms.

I find that my chi sensitivity is enhanced by regular
deep breathing, and also by some live music, plus
it might be affected by solar and geomagnetic activity.

I also think that my naked thorn hill climb of Sept. 5/6, 1991
enhanced my chi sensitivity (by painful thorn acupuncture).
It is described on http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/sunstare.html
which is a subsubpage of my Salmon on the Thorns web page.

However in recent years I have not been practicing yoga
or qigong. I was at level 2 (two levels above beginner)
of Iyengar yoga in late 1995 but these days I am out of
shape. Thus I think my chi sensitivity is less than
it used to be.

--
David Dalton dal...@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/nf.html Newfoundland&Labrador Travel & Music
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"Here I go again...back into the flame" (Sarah McLachlan)

[Bob Officer]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:34:43 -0230, in misc.health.alternative, David
Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:

>Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?

Nope none what so ever.

>If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
>phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
>scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
>with the palms.

Nonsense, David. It is an imaginary phenomenon. It never existed.

<snip of self delusions of a mentally ill person>

[x]

On 11/03/2012 11:04 AM, David Dalton wrote:
> Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?
>
> If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
> phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
> scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
> with the palms.

the truer nature of what we think of as 3rd dimensional phenomenon is
always-already 4th-dimensional (timespace) .. however water and fire are
used to especially illustrate it...if your mind is open to the concept
of psychic energy that illustrates it better. we can still use a 3d
template (form-function) for interpretation, but it can be less reliable
because it is dealing with something so fluid in its nature..

[x]

On 11/03/2012 12:21 PM, x wrote:
> On 11/03/2012 11:04 AM, David Dalton wrote:
>> Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?
>>
>> If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
>> phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
>> scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
>> with the palms.
>
> the truer nature of what we think of as 3rd dimensional phenomenon is
> always-already 4th-dimensional (timespace) .. however water and fire are
> used to especially illustrate it...if your mind is open to the concept
> of psychic energy that illustrates it better. we can still use a 3d
> template (form-function) for interpretation, but it can be less reliable
> because it is dealing with something so fluid in its nature..
>

nonetheless there are maps.. anything outside the human form, any claim
of different levels like other worlds, i believe is being fanciful. the
chakras and auras and fields and energy "bodies" can be verified by the
spatially located feelings ...although i think it's only the grosser
layer of energy we feel when we locate the feeling, they seem to still
provide an overall map of consciousness, they connect beyond themselves.

[x]

ken wilbers "postmetaphysical" theory includes gross, subtle, and causal
levels of energy which is more than a convenient filing system, it seems
to be referring to quite distinct levels in reality.

[x]

they may correlate to the dimensions "3D", "4D", and "5D"..? or where
does the causal go....? BUT they do not literally belong to only those
dimensions. as i said even matter is more truly seen in 4D.

it's got a lot of couch philosophers imagining up answers but they are
really more about art than science. it is a new territory and like any
actual material territory began as a blank canvas for our imaginations.

[x]

of course somethings are just logical and rely on no more than the pure
logic of it existing in the context of known reality to be "verified"..
the only prerequisite is to have evolved your intelligence to a level...

[i2i]

"Bob Officer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:34:43 -0230, in misc.health.alternative, David
Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:

>Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?

>Nope none what so ever.

did you look in all of the
cracker jack boxes? i
think it's this week's
prize in some of them.

>If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
>phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
>scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
>with the palms.

>Nonsense, David. It is an imaginary phenomenon. It never existed.

everything starts with imagination.
if it never existed then maybe it's
still on its way here. have you checked
under the rug?

><snip of self delusions of a mentally ill person>

that describes everyone

[i2i]

"David Dalton" wrote in message
news:dalton-0B78E2....@news.eternal-september.org...

>Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?

are you aware that you exist ?
that's it.

[Bob Officer]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:28:11 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, "i2i"
<boo...@netzero.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Bob Officer" wrote in message
>news:sm49985mocd3j206v...@4ax.com...
>
>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:34:43 -0230, in misc.health.alternative, David
>Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>
>>Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?
>
>>Nope none what so ever.
>
>did you look in all of the
>cracker jack boxes? i
>think it's this week's
>prize in some of them.

what do crackerjack box's have to do with your the nonsense posted by
david and person that is under doctor's care for mental illness?

I didn't you know he is under doctors care for mental problems?

>>If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
>>phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
>>scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
>>with the palms.
>
>>Nonsense, David. It is an imaginary phenomenon. It never existed.
>
>everything starts with imagination.
>if it never existed then maybe it's
>still on its way here. have you checked
>under the rug?
>
>><snip of self delusions of a mentally ill person>
>
>that describes everyone

Actually David is diagnosed as having mental problems. He is under
doctors care. Please do not enable the delusions of those which are
mentally ill.

[i2i]

"Bob Officer" wrote in message

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so you mean I can't
talk to anyone at all ?

[robert matusan - boyler]

<<Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?>>

Qi is vapor, or rather air/vapor.

--
robert matusan - boyler

[Bob Officer]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 02:16:50 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, "i2i"

<boo...@netzero.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Bob Officer" wrote in message
>news:8rb998lnrrurfsad2...@4ax.com...
>
>On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:28:11 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, "i2i"
><boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bob Officer" wrote in message
>>news:sm49985mocd3j206v...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:34:43 -0230, in misc.health.alternative, David
>>Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?
>>
>>>Nope none what so ever.
>>
>>did you look in all of the
>>cracker jack boxes? i
>>think it's this week's
>>prize in some of them.
>
>what do crackerjack box's have to do with your the nonsense posted by
>david and person that is under doctor's care for mental illness?
>
>I didn't you know he is under doctors care for mental problems?

He has posted that information before, the question is why are you
enabling him? What does he have to gain? What do you have to gain?

>>>If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
>>>phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
>>>scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
>>>with the palms.
>>
>>>Nonsense, David. It is an imaginary phenomenon. It never existed.
>>
>>everything starts with imagination.
>>if it never existed then maybe it's
>>still on its way here. have you checked
>>under the rug?
>>
>>><snip of self delusions of a mentally ill person>
>>
>>that describes everyone
>
>Actually David is diagnosed as having mental problems. He is under
>doctors care. Please do not enable the delusions of those which are
>mentally ill.
>```````````````````````````````````````````
>
>
>so you mean I can't
>talk to anyone at all ?

Stop enabling.
Stop trolling

[net cop]

Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 02:16:50 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, "i2i"
><boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bob Officer" wrote in message
>>news:8rb998lnrrurfsad2...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:28:11 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, "i2i"
>><boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bob Officer" wrote in message
>>>news:sm49985mocd3j206v...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:34:43 -0230, in misc.health.alternative, David
>>>Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Is there any scientific evidence for chi/qi/ki/prana yet?
>>>
>>>>Nope none what so ever.
>>>
>>>did you look in all of the
>>>cracker jack boxes? i
>>>think it's this week's
>>>prize in some of them.
>>
>>what do crackerjack box's have to do with your the nonsense posted by
>>david and person that is under doctor's care for mental illness?
>>
>>I didn't you know he is under doctors care for mental problems?
>
>He has posted that information before, the question is why are you
>enabling him?

Enabling is a pejorative term.
It's almost as bad as hypocrisy.

> What does he have to gain?

Encouragement may be a postive term.
David seeks a turning point, a yin-yang-cuo.
Inflexion can be a cube rootish quest.

> What do you have to gain?

For me,
gain and loss suggest something else.

That of which both are derivative.

A higher order, sew two-speak, a unity
form of consciousness, asit were.

A skeptic in me seas waves
as notions of particulars, in clouding,
while knots limited to false positives, selective
preconcept-ions aswelling as other charged up
integrals on scales beef-ores one sighs.

As far as religion.newagers go,
all bets are
off on
t'hat news grope.

In terms of misc.h.a.,
know ideas in general general,
perhaps akin to major major
oar sum utter 22 of catches.

With absfg, imo, they be most cool.

Without apt, aye, what is apt is apt
to be a white horse of a different colour.

Gain and loss, status quo, sine and co-
signs of One radian mea sure shouts
in leaps and bounds.

>>>>If not, I propose that it is a higher dimensional
>>>>phenomenon that can't be detected with three-dimensional
>>>>scientific sensing apparatus but can be sensed e.g.
>>>>with the palms.
>>>
>>>>Nonsense, David. It is an imaginary phenomenon. It never existed.
>>>
>>>everything starts with imagination.
>>>if it never existed then maybe it's
>>>still on its way here. have you checked
>>>under the rug?
>>>
>>>><snip of self delusions of a mentally ill person>
>>>
>>>that describes everyone
>>
>>Actually David is diagnosed as having mental problems. He is under
>>doctors care. Please do not enable the delusions of those which are
>>mentally ill.
>>```````````````````````````````````````````
>>
>>
>>so you mean I can't
>>talk to anyone at all ?
>
>Stop enabling.

Why respond?
Is that not feeding too to?

>Stop trolling

There are hypocrites,
blind hypocrites, blind self-
righteous hypcrites, idiots, incomplete
idiots, complete idiots, complete and total
sorts of sorts of morons and less ons.

Are you a teacher th'air-of?

- jest curio
whilst hopping round -

[i2i]

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[Bob Officer]

however enabling his illness is what you appear to be doing, isn't
it. This is a case when if the shoe fits.

>
>> What does he have to gain?
>
>Encouragement may be a postive term.

The best encouragement David can have is to take his medication on
schedule, as directed by his doctor. HE has admitted not taking his
medication on a consistent basis.

<nonsense snipped>

[David Dalton]

In article <t34b98d5itc5btran...@4ax.com>,

Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:

> The best encouragement David can have is to take his medication on
> schedule, as directed by his doctor. HE has admitted not taking his
> medication on a consistent basis.

No I have not admitted that.

However when I come out of the low years I expect that
I will be able to gradually come off olanzapine, with
the help of my doctor, without experiencing ill effects,
but will remain on lithium or another mood stabilizer.

As for my mental health, these days it is the best
its been in years, partly because I gave up doing
perineum click divination three weeks ago.

But Bob, you shouldn't be putting down everything I
say simply because I have bipolar disorder. Lots
of people with bipolar disorder are highly creative
or otherwise contribute a lot to society. Instead
of your knee-jerk reaction that I suffer from a
mental illness, why don't you just address what
I posted?

[David Dalton]

In article <k73d8l$ec7$1...@ls237.t-com.hr>,

What kind of vapor? Are you talking water vapor?

[robert matusan - boyler]

<<What kind of vapor? Are you talking water vapor?>>

Yes, we can say that.

Water vapor is what is called life-giving vapor or sheng qi (生氣), while
other kinds of vapors which are harmful, but could also be found and
transmitted through the air are, what is called, killing vapor or sha qi
(殺氣).

-- --
robert matusan - boyler

[net cop]

Assuming your statement is a question
without the mark of an interrogative.

Enabling his illness?
By responding to his question?

What you consider to be illness
might turn out to be wellness.

Him not fitting into an arbitrary mold
governed by a fleeting culture's norms
could be a form of temporary insanity
on your part.

Or it may be permanent
if that's the only way you can see
various situations.

Do you suppose that by contributing,
such as you have been doing, to the thread
that you are not feeding into it?

That you are not being hypocritical,
not even jest a quantum ore two?

David asked whether scientific evidence
has been provided yet for qi/prana.

Seams like a fare nuf quest-
ion to charge froth width wise.

>This is a case when if the shoe fits.

I tend to not wear shoes.

The shoes of an hypocrite howEver
mites be t'hat One size dew tale.

>>> What does he have to gain?
>>
>>Encouragement may be a postive term.
>
>The best encouragement David can have is to take his medication on
>schedule, as directed by his doctor. HE has admitted not taking his
>medication on a consistent basis.
>
><nonsense snipped>

Sense and nonsense are mutually dependent.

Unless, naturally, you think nature makes sense
and is entirely without nonsense, which, obviously
you do not, unless you categorize the artificial
as being other than nature, then perhaps.

There could be said to be many more irrational
sorts of sorts than there are rational.

To presume one number signifies illness
and some other indicates wellness, is, well,
possibly subject to a lack of objectivity.

How would you describe qi and/or prana?
How could scientific evidence be provided?

- tia

[SG]

On Nov 3, 3:48 pm, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
> In article <t34b98d5itc5btrancl4f69ignrjgct...@4ax.com>,

> David Dalton  dal...@nfld.com  http://www.nfld.com/~dalton(home page)http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/nf.htmlNewfoundland&Labrador Travel & Musichttp://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.htmlSalmon on the Thorns (mystic page)

>    "Here I go again...back into the flame" (Sarah McLachlan)

None of us have a right to disrupt your dignity. The best that can
happen in this scenario is to forgive him for his tresspass.

[Bob Officer]

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
SG <sgma...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 3, 3:48 pm, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>> In article <t34b98d5itc5btrancl4f69ignrjgct...@4ax.com>,
>>  Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:
>>
>> > The best encouragement David can have is to take his medication on
>> > schedule, as directed by his doctor. HE has admitted not taking his
>> > medication on a consistent basis.
>>
>> No I have not admitted that.

Yes, David, you have! You have even admitted to drinking in excess
with your medications in the past.

>> However when I come out of the low years I expect that
>> I will be able to gradually come off olanzapine, with
>> the help of my doctor, without experiencing ill effects,
>> but will remain on lithium or another mood stabilizer.
>>
>> As for my mental health, these days it is the best
>> its been in years, partly because I gave up doing
>> perineum click divination three weeks ago.
>>
>> But Bob, you shouldn't be putting down everything I
>> say simply because I have bipolar disorder.  Lots
>> of people with bipolar disorder are highly creative
>> or otherwise contribute a lot to society.   Instead
>> of your knee-jerk reaction that I suffer from a
>> mental illness, why don't you just address what
>> I posted?

You have more problems than Bipolar Disorder, according to what you
have posted in the past, David.

Seek continued health care and start being honest with yourself and
your doctor. You've admitted honesty problems in the past.

I hope in time you become a contributor to society. Many people do
overcome their problems, with a combination of medication and
Counseling.

>None of us have a right to disrupt your dignity. The best that can
>happen in this scenario is to forgive him for his tresspass.

The best is if David seek professional counseling and continued
treatment for his Mental Illness with a fully qualified Doctor.

The best you can do for yourself, is to stop trolling David.

I don't see any Trespass.

David posts his problems in public and has for a long time. I did
advise him a long time ago, he might be better off no telling
everyone about his mental illness and other problems.

Usenet is not a good place to seek advice or discussion of personal
problems.

[David Dalton]

In article <piib981rdbv2prav4...@4ax.com>,

Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
> SG <sgma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 3, 3:48�pm, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
> >> In article <t34b98d5itc5btrancl4f69ignrjgct...@4ax.com>,
> >> �Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The best encouragement David can have is to take his medication on
> >> > schedule, as directed by his doctor. HE has admitted not taking his
> >> > medication on a consistent basis.
> >>
> >> No I have not admitted that.
>
> Yes, David, you have! You have even admitted to drinking in excess
> with your medications in the past.

How do you define excess? These days I am limiting
myself to two pints or three bottle of beer at most
twice a week, which my psychiatrist and kidney specialist
think is OK. And I last tried coming off olanzapine
without my psychiatrist's help I think a couple of years
ago, and since then I have been religiously steady in
taking my lithium and olanzapine at bedtime.

I think you are trying to suppress me by calling me
mentally ill.

> >> However when I come out of the low years I expect that
> >> I will be able to gradually come off olanzapine, with
> >> the help of my doctor, without experiencing ill effects,
> >> but will remain on lithium or another mood stabilizer.
> >>
> >> As for my mental health, these days it is the best
> >> its been in years, partly because I gave up doing
> >> perineum click divination three weeks ago.
> >>
> >> But Bob, you shouldn't be putting down everything I
> >> say simply because I have bipolar disorder. �Lots
> >> of people with bipolar disorder are highly creative
> >> or otherwise contribute a lot to society. � Instead
> >> of your knee-jerk reaction that I suffer from a
> >> mental illness, why don't you just address what
> >> I posted?
>
> You have more problems than Bipolar Disorder, according to what you
> have posted in the past, David.

No, I am diagnosed as bipolar. I have had delusions or
in the extreme, psychosis, at times as well. If I also
had voices and/or visions I would be classed as
schizoaffective. But my psychiatrist has told me
he considers me bipolar, not schizoaffective.

>
> Seek continued health care and start being honest with yourself and
> your doctor. You've admitted honesty problems in the past.
>
> I hope in time you become a contributor to society. Many people do
> overcome their problems, with a combination of medication and
> Counseling.
>
> >None of us have a right to disrupt your dignity. The best that can
> >happen in this scenario is to forgive him for his tresspass.
>
> The best is if David seek professional counseling and continued
> treatment for his Mental Illness with a fully qualified Doctor.
>
> The best you can do for yourself, is to stop trolling David.
>
> I don't see any Trespass.
>
> David posts his problems in public and has for a long time. I did
> advise him a long time ago, he might be better off no telling
> everyone about his mental illness and other problems.
>
> Usenet is not a good place to seek advice or discussion of personal
> problems.

I suffer from bipolar mood disorder, a mental illness. That
does not mean I am ill all the time. Currently the only
belief I hold that you might consider a delusion is my
belief that I am similar to some past major religious
figures. But that belief didn't come out of the blue
but rather by my comparing my mystic cycles and experiences
to those of the past figures, including Taliesin (Gwion),
Jesus, and The Turquoise Bee, among others. And that
belief did not affect my recent post on chi.

--

David Dalton dal...@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/nf.html Newfoundland&Labrador Travel & Music

http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)

[net cop]

David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:

>In article <piib981rdbv2prav4...@4ax.com>,
> Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:33:26 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>> SG <sgma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 3, 3:48�pm, David Dalton <dal...@nfld.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <t34b98d5itc5btrancl4f69ignrjgct...@4ax.com>,
>> >> �Bob Officer <.@.> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The best encouragement David can have is to take his medication on
>> >> > schedule, as directed by his doctor. HE has admitted not taking his
>> >> > medication on a consistent basis.
>> >>
>> >> No I have not admitted that.
>>
>> Yes, David, you have! You have even admitted to drinking in excess
>> with your medications in the past.
>
>How do you define excess?

And, consistent?

And, does, "not taking ... on a consistent basis" mean
that you consistently don't follow the prescription,
as in, consistently quit the meds. Like, every other month.
Like, for instance, once a year stop taking them and trip out.

Or that, rather, you just don't take meds sometimes?
Consistently, say, once a week or so, you simply forget.

Could be a subtle inuendo there. Oar, then again,
cud prolly just be me and how m'eye brain works.

> These days I am limiting
>myself to two pints or three bottle of beer at most
>twice a week, which my psychiatrist and kidney specialist
>think is OK. And I last tried coming off olanzapine
>without my psychiatrist's help I think a couple of years
>ago, and since then I have been religiously steady in
>taking my lithium and olanzapine at bedtime.

The lithium probably caps your high
and contributes to your low years to an extent.

A problem with quitting the heavy metal
is that the highs can be out of control,
often involving dire straits and jackets.

>I think you are trying to suppress me by calling me
>mentally ill.

Sounds to me as if he's looking out for you.
Or trying to. He may have a mother-hen deal
playing cards inside his deck.

A titanic effort, know doubt, to moderate
unmoderated groups in order to order
whatever chaos may be present,
ore seen as being.

Exercises in futility are exercise.
None-the-less, Tsewang reminds me
of sitting and forgetting.

>> >> ... why don't you just address what

>> >> I posted?
>>
>> You have more problems than Bipolar Disorder, according to what you
>> have posted in the past, David.
>
>No, I am diagnosed as bipolar. I have had delusions or
>in the extreme, psychosis, at times as well.

It's possible that everyone does, to a degree.
It's probably only natural for brains with brains.

When it affects one's ability to function
in the artificial society in which he or she lives
that's when it gets more technical. Culture dictates
spectrums of acceptability.

> If I also
>had voices and/or visions I would be classed as
>schizoaffective. But my psychiatrist has told me
>he considers me bipolar, not schizoaffective.

Puts me in mind of shamans.

Instead of being seen as the ones to be rehabilitated
they were venerated as being the healers.

Those daze are mostly gone now
in so-called civilized regions of nation-states
of minds that mind all sorts of behavior.

Whatever chi was there has been banished
to realms of placebo unwholenesses.

>> Seek continued health care and start being honest with yourself and
>> your doctor. You've admitted honesty problems in the past.
>>
>> I hope in time you become a contributor to society. Many people do
>> overcome their problems, with a combination of medication and
>> Counseling.
>>
>> >None of us have a right to disrupt your dignity. The best that can
>> >happen in this scenario is to forgive him for his tresspass.
>>
>> The best is if David seek professional counseling and continued
>> treatment for his Mental Illness with a fully qualified Doctor.
>>
>> The best you can do for yourself, is to stop trolling David.
>>
>> I don't see any Trespass.
>>
>> David posts his problems in public and has for a long time. I did
>> advise him a long time ago, he might be better off no telling
>> everyone about his mental illness and other problems.
>>
>> Usenet is not a good place to seek advice or discussion of personal
>> problems.

A sandbox is where kids play
and where spirits may be found to test.

Finding others who are akin to ones'elves
may be a very good thing to have been unbound.

For many, absfg, apt et al is a breath, or qi, prana.

In the, "professional" arenas of psychotherapy
or counseling one may not encounter, "others"
who think and feel similar to how ones'elf mite's dew.

>I suffer from bipolar mood disorder, a mental illness. That
>does not mean I am ill all the time.

One's illness
may be where one's strength
might be perfected.

To think in terms of illness cans be to box
a shadow into a corner. Akin to painting.

To not fit into a stinky mold could be a good thing.
Perfectly healthy. Flipping the script, it is society
that, whenever something or someone doesn't fit,
labels that as being unfit. Paints it as bad.
Points its finger as it racks up points.

> Currently the only
>belief I hold that you might consider a delusion is my
>belief that I am similar to some past major religious
>figures.

Everyone is similar.
Everyone is different.

> But that belief didn't come out of the blue
>but rather by my comparing my mystic cycles and experiences
>to those of the past figures, including Taliesin (Gwion),
>Jesus, and The Turquoise Bee, among others. And that
>belief did not affect my recent post on chi.

Scientific evidence.

It is strange, to me, how energy flows.
From a single cell, organisms grow.

Born with unbridled energy, they switch,
from off to on to off to on and on they twitch.
As little kids, puppies or kittens, they play as if
composed of the light of ten thou sand suns.

They sleep and awaken. How strange.
Many reproduce and then the energy goes.
Passed along, some say, via DNA.

The key is sought,
as if there is only one.

Evidence is everywhere
for those with an eye to sea
waves of all in particulars.

[David Dalton]

In article <bjsc98hj4luego9b0...@4ax.com>,

net cop <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:

> The lithium probably caps your high
> and contributes to your low years to an extent.

No, both lithium (at my current level of 0.7--0.8)
and olanzapine have mild antidepressant effects. Lithium
also has mood stabilizing effects, and olanzapine also has
antipsychotic effects and mild mood stabilizing effects.
But it is true that lithium capped my 1993--1994 highs
compared to my 1991 high, and it is true that lithium
at a higher level (say 1.0) makes me feel a bit low.

If my belief in chi/qi/ki/prana is a delusion, well
it is shared by at least a hundred million other
humans, most of whom are not diagnosed with a
mental illness. But I don't believe in astrology.

Tonight I went to a great celtic concert by the
Vinland Music Camp Instructors (The Vinlanders).
On my way home I stopped at Erin's Pub for one
pint of Smithwick's and two glasses of water.

[net cop]

David wrote:

>If my belief in chi/qi/ki/prana is a delusion, well
>it is shared by at least a hundred million other
>humans, most of whom are not diagnosed with a
>mental illness. But I don't believe in astrology.

If millions of people shared an idea,
for instance, that the world is flat,
that may or may not make it a delusion.

Earth actually appears to be flat.
Earth actually appears to be a sphere.
Earth actually appears to be a pale blue dot.
Tall depends on one's perspective, the pov.

Thinking a pov is more than a pov,
that could be when delusion kicks in;
ore might be said to be.

This morning, radio waves struck me
as being far fetched. A notion of waves
carrying other waves, complete with sounds
and sights encoded in their vibrations.

One might use a USB-modem or smart phone
and yet not believe in any proof of how
video and audio are transmitted.

Scientific evidence may be strict.
Anecdotal evidence loose knit.

Ideas may wear on one
as well as one wearing ideas as if
they were well suited.

[Linuxgal]

Bob Officer wrote:
> You have more problems than Bipolar Disorder, according to what you
> have posted in the past, David.

I hate being bipolar, it's awesome!

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