The Aether
jdawe
I saved it to last because out of:
Energy\Matter
In Motion\At Rest
Attraction\Repulsion
It was going to be the hardest for you to understand.
To understand it you must bring the 2 opposing views of:
Religion ( non-physical )
or
Atheism ( physical )
Together.
Our aether = nothing.
To understand this you have to understand the inverse of our physical
universe:
Physical-verse ( our universe )
or
Non-physical-verse ( religious\spiritual universe or 'afterlife' )
In the physical-verse there are only 2 physical things:
Energy
or
Matter
In the non-physical-verse there are only 2 non-physical things:
X
or
Y
Those 2 physical or non-physical things can only be in 2 states:
In Motion
or
At Rest
When energy\matter or x\y is 'In Motion' it generates physical\non-
physical attraction.
When energy\matter or x\y is 'At Rest' it generates physical\non-
physical repulsion.
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Now, onto the 'aether'.
Naturally, there are 2 opposing aethers:
Physical-verse Aether = Nothing
or
Non-physical-verse Aether = Something
The reason the non-physical-verse aether = 'something' is because the
2 'non-physical things' have to 'sit' in 'something' - you cannot have
'non-physical' things sitting in 'nothing'.
The inverse is true for our physical-verse.
Our 2 'physical things' have to sit in 'nothing'. You cannot have
physical things sitting in 'something' because obviously those
physical things would crash into the 'something'.
This is why in the physical-verse everything appears to be moving.
Even when energy\matter is 'At Rest' it does so by moving.
The inverse is true for the non-physical-verse.
Because x\y are sitting in an aether of 'something' those x\y are
always 'At Rest'. Even when x\y are 'In Motion' they do so by being
'At Rest'.
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So what are:
X
or
Y
of the non-physical-verse?
I don't know I'll leave it up to you guys to ponder.
-Josh.
BURT
The aether is the most important concept. The immaterial is next.
Mitch Raemsch
Inertial
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> Alright, it was inevitable this was going to come up.
>
> I saved it to last because out of:
>
> Energy\Matter
The same thing in different manifestations
> In Motion\At Rest
No such thing as something being at rest .. its always in motion relative to
something else
> Attraction\Repulsion
>
> It was going to be the hardest for you to understand.
None of it is hard to understand .. its just naive and simplistic and in
many cases wrong
> To understand it you must bring the 2 opposing views of:
>
> Religion ( non-physical )
There is nothing necessarily non-physical about religion.
> or
>
> Atheism ( physical )
Atheism isn't physical, it is just a lack of belief in a god
> Together.
>
> Our aether = nothing.
What aether?
[snip a load of more rot]
mpc755
> "jdawe" <mrjd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
The aether which is displaced by matter and pushes back, which is
gravity.
The aether which is the medium the wave created by the moving particle
exists in and enters and exits both slits, creates interference, and
alters the direction the particle travels in a double slit experiment.
Sam Wormley
>
> The aether which is the medium the wave created by the moving particle
> exists in and enters and exits both slits, creates interference, and
> alters the direction the particle travels in a double slit experiment.
Obviously not true for a rock thrown from a tree at a squirrel on
the ground.
mpc755
The rock is still creating a disturbance in the aether, just like the
Earth creates a gravity (i.e. aether) wave.
Sam Wormley
But the "gravity" is in the wrong direction!
mpc755
What are you talking about? The gravity wave the Earth creates in the
aether? It's a wave that is propagating outward away from the Earth.
Exactly like the wave the particle creates in the aether in a double
slit experiment.
Or are you talking about the rock? What happens when you throw the
rock into a body of water? The rock disturbs the water in the
direction it is traveling. The water back fills where the rock was.
The rock continues to go deeper into the body of water because the
water above the rock and the air above that and the displaced aether
above that are all pushing the rock to the bottom of the body of water
as the water, air, and aether attempt to return to a state of rest.
Sam Wormley
>
> Or are you talking about the rock? What happens when you throw the
> rock into a body of water? The rock disturbs the water in the
> direction it is traveling. The water back fills where the rock was.
> The rock continues to go deeper into the body of water because the
> water above the rock and the air above that and the displaced aether
> above that are all pushing the rock to the bottom of the body of water
> as the water, air, and aether attempt to return to a state of rest.
What about a ping-pong ball thrown into a body of water. According
to you, the water back fills where the ping-pong ball was. The
ping-pong ball continues to go deeper into the body of water because the
water above the ping-pong ball and the air above that and the displaced
aether above that are all pushing the ping-pong ball to the bottom of
mpc755
Yes, they are all attempting to return to a state of rest, including
the water displaced by the ping pong ball. Since the ping pong ball
contains less mass per volume (i.e. the ping pong ball contains more
aether) the aether entrained by the water molecules will return to
more of a state of rest than the aether entrained in the ping pong
ball and the ping pong ball will rise.
Sam Wormley
Is aether absolute, in the sense that it cannot be created or
destroyed.
BURT
>
> - Show quoted text -
The substance of the aether is immaterial.
Mitch Raemsch
BURT
It is immaterial flow.
>
> Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
Inertial
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Just like your posts here
mpc755
Yes. Matter is condensed aether. When matter transitions to aether,
the effect the increase in volume the transition has on the
surrounding matter and aether is energy (i.e. A=mc^2).
Sam Wormley
>
> Matter is condensed aether. When matter transitions to aether,
> the effect the increase in volume the transition has on the
> surrounding matter and aether is energy (i.e. A=mc^2).
What is the transition temperature between condensed aether
and un condensed aether?
mpc755
I don't know.
mpc755
I don't know. Heat is the effect moving aether has on matter.
Sam Wormley
Let me rephrase... you say that mass is condensed aether. So
you are dealing with two entities, aether and condensed aether.
Furthermore you claim mathematically that aether is energy and
that it has a conversion factor of c^2.
Therefore, according to you, condensed aether has units of mass
and un condensed aether has units of energy. I presume that you
will also claim that the energy (aether) is conserved.
I merely asked at what temperature aether condenses into condensed
aether.
mpc755
Not mass, matter. Matter is compressed aether. Aether has mass. I
think it is more pressure which converts aether into compressed aether
(i.e. matter). I do not know how much pressure it takes to convert
aether into matter. When I think of A=mc^2, I think volume.
Sam Wormley
So a grain of sand in interstellar space is condensed aether held
together by pressure. Pressure of aether, I presume? And what keeps
all that aether for condensing?
mpc755
All matter is compressed aether, including the grain of sand in
interstellar space. Compressed aether is self-contained matter which
exists in and displaces the aether. Not enough pressure keeps aether
from compressing.
Benj
> Let me rephrase... you say that mass is condensed aether. So
> you are dealing with two entities, aether and condensed aether.
> Furthermore you claim mathematically that aether is energy and
> that it has a conversion factor of c^2.
Actually we can surmise that Aether has three states. There would be
condensed aether. This would be the material making up protons,
neutrons and many other elementary particles. The second would be the
gaseous state which is what fills the "vacuum" of empty space. [Aside:
Aether is a super, perfect fluid so as such the gaseous state is
actually a hybrid state combining the qualities of gasses and liquids
at the same time.] And lastly, of course, would be a "hole" in the
aether or a "true" vacuum. A true vacuum does not transmit light or
other waves and has no properties.
> Therefore, according to you, condensed aether has units of mass
> and un condensed aether has units of energy. I presume that you
> will also claim that the energy (aether) is conserved.
This is obviously true. The relationship between condensed aether and
gaseous aether is E=mc^2 in which the energy given off as the aether
"melts/evaporates" is determined by the mass of the condensed aether.
Of course the mass is conserved as well with the former condensed mass
expanding into space as an aether gas/liquid. The energy released from
this action is given by the classic equation. The expansion of the
aether acts as a source of mechanical energy disturbing the aether
which then manifests as EM radiation of various wavelengths as is well
known in the case of atomic bombs.
> I merely asked at what temperature aether condenses into condensed
> aether.
Obviously this question is silly in that nobody knows how to measure
the "temperature" of the aether. One has to surmise that aether of
space is under constant agitation to keep it unfrozen. One must assume
that if all motion of any portion of the aether stops for even a
fraction of a second it condenses. And that therefore implies a
constant stirring of all space (or more likely, waves traveling in all
directions as represented by the motions of string theory or the
energy of "dark" energy). But what kind of "thermometer" one uses to
measure aether temperature remains to be seen.
Uncle Al
>
> Alright, it was inevitable this was going to come up.
idiot
http://arXiv.org/abs/0706.2031
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
<http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/Walsworth/pdf/PT_Romalis0704.pdf>
No aether
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/index.html>
http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.0287
No Lorentz violation
idiot
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
jbriggs444
> On Nov 16, 10:21 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me rephrase... you say that mass is condensed aether. So
> > you are dealing with two entities, aether and condensed aether.
> > Furthermore you claim mathematically that aether is energy and
> > that it has a conversion factor of c^2.
>
> Actually we can surmise that Aether has three states. There would be
> condensed aether. This would be the material making up protons,
> neutrons and many other elementary particles.
Thus implying that all elementary particles are made of varying
quantities of the same underlying stuff. And further implying that
they can be created and destroyed without obeying any arbitrary rules
like conservation of baryon number.
> The second would be the
> gaseous state which is what fills the "vacuum" of empty space. [Aside:
> Aether is a super, perfect fluid so as such the gaseous state is
> actually a hybrid state combining the qualities of gasses and liquids
> at the same time.]
So it both will and will not expand to fill a chamber, for instance.
> And lastly, of course, would be a "hole" in the
> aether or a "true" vacuum. A true vacuum does not transmit light or
> other waves and has no properties.
Then obviously it must reflect light, just like an unterminated coax
cable. Thus it has a discernable shape.
> > Therefore, according to you, condensed aether has units of mass
> > and un condensed aether has units of energy. I presume that you
> > will also claim that the energy (aether) is conserved.
>
> This is obviously true. The relationship between condensed aether and
> gaseous aether is E=mc^2 in which the energy given off as the aether
> "melts/evaporates" is determined by the mass of the condensed aether.
> Of course the mass is conserved as well with the former condensed mass
> expanding into space as an aether gas/liquid. The energy released from
> this action is given by the classic equation. The expansion of the
> aether acts as a source of mechanical energy disturbing the aether
> which then manifests as EM radiation of various wavelengths as is well
> known in the case of atomic bombs.
>
> > I merely asked at what temperature aether condenses into condensed
> > aether.
>
> Obviously this question is silly in that nobody knows how to measure
> the "temperature" of the aether.
And yet...
> One has to surmise that aether of
> space is under constant agitation to keep it unfrozen. One must assume
> that if all motion of any portion of the aether stops for even a
> fraction of a second it condenses.
So the ether is under constant agitation and motion. Why would a
temperature not be associated with this?
> And that therefore implies a
> constant stirring of all space (or more likely, waves traveling in all
> directions as represented by the motions of string theory or the
> energy of "dark" energy). But what kind of "thermometer" one uses to
> measure aether temperature remains to be seen.
You've completely forgotten the pre-eminent property of the Ether. It
transmits light.
There's no need to invoke string theory or dark energy to explain the
internal motion of the Ether. Ether is supposed to transmit light as
vibration. It follows from basic thermodynamic principles that the
temperature of the Ether (if any) is given by the equilibrium
temperature of the electromagnetic radiation that it transmits.
If you want an ethermometer, take an ordinary mercury thermometer.
Shake it down and let it float in a vacuum in space. Wait for it to
equilibriate with its environment. The reading on the thermometer is
the temperature of the ether.
Now, just to show that I can riff on stupidity as well as the next
guy.
[begin riff]
If there is a condensation temperature for the ether, it follows the
parts of the universe that are far from any star will condense and
are, in fact, condensing already. Olber's paradox gives some
assurance that such places exist. This condensation is a source of
matter which begins infalling toward the center of the universe until
it reaches the boiling temperature and reverts to ether. This matter
is both transparent and not well lit and is, in fact, "dark matter".
It can penetrate the universe without warming significantly. The
resulting creation of empty space uniformly throughout the cosmos
results in what appears to be an expansion of the universe and the
observed Hubble constant. The release of energy due to e=mc^2 may
account as well for "dark energy".
The cosmic microwave background is, in fact, the electromagnetic hum
from condensed ether popping back into existence throughout the
universe.
Surface tension means that bits of condensed ether that are
sufficiently small are under huge internal pressures and will not
spontaneously evaporate even under temperatures far above the Ether's
normal boiling point. This accounts for the stability of elementary
particles and for the instability of nuclei with high atomic numbers.
What if the universe isn't a plutonium atom... what if it's made of
diethyl ether? You don't think God just chose the terminology at
random do you? It is well known that God is an iron. [Google for it]
[end riff]
mpc755
>
> Not mass, matter. Matter is compressed aether. Aether has mass. I
> think it is more pressure which converts aether into compressed aether
> (i.e. matter). I do not know how much pressure it takes to convert
> aether into matter. When I think of A=mc^2, I think volume.
Where 'm' is matter. The mass is equal on both sides of the equation.
mpc755
> think it is more pressure which converts aether into compressed aether
> (i.e. matter). I do not know how much pressure it takes to convert
> aether into matter. When I think of A=mc^2, I think volume.
Where 'm' is matter. It's the same mass on both sides of the equation.
BURT
Aether flow gives primary order to energy.
Mitch Raemsch
mpc755
Please stop responding to my posts, thanks.
In Aether Displacement, A=mc^2 where 'A' is aether and 'm' is matter.
When aether compresses and forms matter and when matter decompresses
and becomes aether it is still the same stuff.
mpc755
A=Mc^2 where A is aether and M is matter.