A better use for that 700 billion dollars
visual...@yahoo.com
not be in business. So called financial companies really do not
produce any useful product. Anyone can set a financial compnay up
that gambles away someone else's hard earned money on the stock
market. They are not worth the billions that they claim to be worth
or that they are asking for from the govt/taxpayer.
It is a complete waste of money to hand over 700 billion dollars to a
bunch of worthless companies going under.
I suggest the 700 billion be used to fund companies involved in
technological or scientific development. By development I mean
producing a useful product that sells in the US or overseas. Moeny
spent on scientific/engineering R&D (i highlight the D) is the only
thing that grows the real economy. By contrast, paper games created
by financial companies contribute nothing of value to the economy.
Rod Speed
> From now on, any company that does not produce something of value will not be in business.
Depends entirely on what you call something of value.
> So called financial companies really do not produce any useful product.
Is that right ? No mortgage is of any value eh ?
No credit card is of any value eh ?
> Anyone can set a financial compnay up that gambles away
> someone else's hard earned money on the stock market.
And anyone with a clue can make money on the stock market too.
> They are not worth the billions that they claim to be
> worth or that they are asking for from the govt/taxpayer.
You get no say what so ever on that or anything else at all, ever.
> It is a complete waste of money to hand over 700 billion
> dollars to a bunch of worthless companies going under.
You get no say what so ever on that or anything else at all, ever.
> I suggest the 700 billion be used to fund companies
> involved in technological or scientific development.
I suggest you do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
> By development I mean producing a useful product that sells in the US or overseas.
Thats what a mortgage is, fool.
> Moeny spent on scientific/engineering R&D (i highlight
> the D) is the only thing that grows the real economy.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue about anything at all, ever.
> By contrast, paper games created by financial companies contribute nothing of value to the economy.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue about anything at all, ever.
visual...@yahoo.com
> > So called financial companies really do not produce any useful product.
>
> Is that right ? No mortgage is of any value eh ?
>
> No credit card is of any value eh ?
Any idiot handling someone else's money can learn to hand it out. I
could train a monkey to hand out an application form that gets rubber
stamped. No brainpower is needed nor is it a unique skill.
A mortgage or a line of credit is not some novel invention. It is
just a shell game played with someone else's money, in this case
taxpayer's money.
When I say the 700 billion should go towards companies producing
things of value, I am talking about companies inventing high tech
engineering or scientific products that are sold on the market for
profit. Or companies involved in the R&D process of that. That is
the real economy.
The bullsh*t economy is the financial sector which is just moving
money from here to there and charging a fee for it or gambling with
that money and making the taxpayer pick up the bill. That is just
deadweight and not a dime should go towards this useless so called
'industry'.
Antonio Huerta
> I suggest the 700 billion be used to fund companies involved in
> technological or scientific development.
It is clear that the companies in India and China are doing most of
the world's R&D, while the American companies are just blowing the
paper value of the financial companies. It is clear that the American
investment money should go into India.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> visual...@yahoo.com wrote
>>> So called financial companies really do not produce any useful product.
>> Is that right ? No mortgage is of any value eh ?
>> No credit card is of any value eh ?
> Any idiot handling someone else's money can learn to hand it out.
Irrelevant to whether mortgages and credit cards are useful products.
> I could train a monkey to hand out an application form that gets
> rubber stamped. No brainpower is needed nor is it a unique skill.
Irrelevant to whether mortgages and credit cards are useful products.
> A mortgage or a line of credit is not some novel invention.
Wrong, as always. Even money is, fool.
> It is just a shell game played with someone else's money, in this case taxpayer's money.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue about anything at all, ever.
> When I say the 700 billion should go towards companies producing things
> of value, I am talking about companies inventing high tech engineering or
> scientific products that are sold on the market for profit.
You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
What you might or might not talk about in spades.
> Or companies involved in the R&D process of that. That is the real economy.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue about anything at all, ever.
> The bullsh*t economy is the financial sector which is just moving
> money from here to there and charging a fee for it or gambling
> with that money and making the taxpayer pick up the bill.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue about anything at all, ever.
> That is just deadweight and not a dime should go towards this useless so called 'industry'.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue about anything at all, ever.
Rod Speed
> visualseep...@yahoo.com wrote
>> I suggest the 700 billion be used to fund companies
>> involved in technological or scientific development.
> It is clear that the companies in India and China are doing most of the world's R&D,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
Have fun explaining google, paypal, ebay, PC software, the PC, the
net, the human genome project, medicines, vaccination, etc etc etc.
> while the American companies are just blowing the paper value of the financial companies.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
> It is clear that the American investment money should go into India.
Those fools havent even managed to work out how to stop having FAR more kids than the economy can possibly support.
(David P.)
> Antonio Huerta <ahue...@inbox.com> wrote
>
> > It's clear that companies in India & China are
> > doing most of the world's R&D,
>
orang...@googlemail.com
"The Secretary’s authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under
this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 ******outstanding at any
one time*********"
when they reach the 700bn limit they can sell the debt on for pennies
on the dollar and start over. all at the taxpayer's expense. section
10 reveals they expect to spend 3 trillion.
us gdp is about 14 trillion (http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/
gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm) so, this bailout is going to cost the US about
one fifth of her anual output.
Old Pif
Old Pif
Old Pif
Old Pif
The feeling among those with money called investors is that this pond
is nearly dry.The high tech funding is extremely inefficient. Most of
the money is appropriated by academic and industrial bureaucracy.
That is why it is so expensive.
That is to not to say that I favor tax payer funding of the Wall
Street casino.
orang...@googlemail.com
i got it wrong. 700bn is the correct figure, i was looking at out of
date figures.
Angelocracy
> From now on, any company that does not produce something of value will
> not be in business. So called financial companies really do not
> produce any useful product. Anyone can set a financial compnay up
> that gambles away someone else's hard earned money on the stock
> market. They are not worth the billions that they claim to be worth
> or that they are asking for from the govt/taxpayer.
>
> bunch of worthless companies going under.
>
> technological or scientific development. By development I mean
> producing a useful product that sells in the US or overseas. Moeny
> spent on scientific/engineering R&D (i highlight the D) is the only
> thing that grows the real economy. By contrast, paper games created
> by financial companies contribute nothing of value to the economy.
Bailout for main street. Government needs to forgive people's student
loans.In 2004 Americans owed about $40 billion in student loans. That
number should be around the same today.Amnesty for student loans.
from
http://angelocracy.blogspot.com/2008/09/mccain-stop-just-stop.html
Rod Speed
> The feeling among those with money called investors is that this pond is nearly dry.
Nope, most obviously with new drugs.
> The high tech funding is extremely inefficient.
Yes, because the success rate is so low.
> Most of the money is appropriated by academic and industrial bureaucracy. That is why it is so expensive.
Nope, the real reason is because the success rate in the sense of a viable commercial
product is so low and the costs are immense, most obviously with new drugs.
> That is to not to say that I favor tax payer funding of the Wall Street casino.
You wouldnt know what a real casino was if one bit you on your lard arse.
Stray Dog
I did not write the document below...posted in the public interest...
The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
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http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
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After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]
Who or What is Rod Speed?
Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod
Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered
he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the
big, hard man" on the InterNet.
Rod is believed to be from Australia.
Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?
It relates back to the point about boosting his own self esteem by
what amounts to effectively having a wank in public. Rod's
personality, as exemplified by his posts, means he is practically
unemployable which means he sits around at home all day festering
away and getting worse and worse. This means he posts more and
more try and boost the old failing self esteem. Being unemployed
also means he as a lot of time on his hands to post in he first
place.
But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?
Clever? His posts wouldn't support that theory. As far as being
knowledgable, well, Rod has posted to various aus newsgroups
including invest, comms, and politics. He has posted to all as a
self professed "expert" and flames any and all who disagree with
him. Logically, here's no way any single individual could be
more than a jack of all trades across such a wide spread of
subject matter.
But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?
Possibly. However, his "bedside manner" prevents him from being
taken seriously by most normal people. Also, he has damaged his
credibility in areas where he might know what he's on about by
shooting his self in the foot in areas where he does not. For
example, in the case of subject matter such as politics, even a
view held by Albert Einstein cannot be little more than an
opinion and to vociferously denigrate an opposing opinion is
simply small mindedness and bigotry, the kind of which Einstein
himself fought against his whole life.
What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?
Simple! He shoots off a half brained opinion in response to any
other post and touts that opinion as fact. When challenged, he
responds with vociferous and rabid denigration. He has an
instantly recognisable set of schoolboy put downs limited pretty
much to the following: "Pathetic, Puerile, Little Boy, try
harder, trivial, more lies, gutless wonder, wanker, etc etc".
The fact that Rod has been unable to come up with any new insults
says a lot about his outlook and intelligence.
But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?
It has to do with effrontery and a lack of logic. Most people
who post have some basis of reason for what they write and when
Rod retorts with his usual denigration and derision they respond
emotionally rather than logically. It's like a teacher in a
class room who has a misbehaving pupil. The teacher challenges
the pupil to explain himself and the student responds with "***
off, Big Nose!" Even thought the teacher has a fairly normal
proboscis, he gets a dent in his self-esteem and might resort to
an emotional repsonse like "yeah? well your *** wouldn't fill a
pop rivet, punk", which merely invites some oneupmanship from the
naughty pupil. Of course, the teacher should not have justified
the initial comment with a response, especially in front of the
class. The correct response was "please report to the
headmaster's office right NOW!"
What is a "RodBot"?
Some respondents in aus.invest built a "virtual Rod" which was
indiscernable from the "real" Rod. Net users could enter an
opinion or even a fact and the RoDBot would tell them they were
pathetic lying schoolboys who should be able to do better or some
equally pithy Rod Speedism.
Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?
You got it!
What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?
KillFile!
.
Rod Speed
or anything else at all either, desperately cowering behind
Stray Dog <sdog...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote just the
puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.
Stray Dog
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Old Pif wrote:
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Old Pif <Old...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants, sci.econ, soc.culture.indian,
> misc.invest.canada, sci.research.careers
> Subject: Re: A better use for that 700 billion dollars
>
> test
>
Reading you loud and clear on a west coast NNTP server.
Stray Dog
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Rod Speed wrote:
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:41:27 +1000
> From: Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants, sci.econ, soc.culture.indian,
> misc.invest.canada, sci.research.careers
> Subject: Some gutless fuckwit makes a very spectacular fool of itself,
> yet again.
(remember, I did not write the FAQ but it's "right on")
Rod Speed
Old Pif
It seems that Google deprived me of my free speech rights. Some
keywords in the original posting caused rejection. Could not figure
out which one.
Rod Speed
> On Sep 21, 5:43 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Old Pif wrote:
>>> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Old Pif <Old...@gmail.com>
>>> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants, sci.econ, soc.culture.indian,
>>> misc.invest.canada, sci.research.careers
>>> Subject: Re: A better use for that 700 billion dollars
>>
>>> test
>>
>> Reading you loud and clear on a west coast NNTP server.
> It seems that Google deprived me of my free speech rights.
Nope.
> Some keywords in the original posting caused rejection.
Nope, it got posted fine. Just another google glitch that made it look to you like it didnt get posted.
GeekBoy
Old Pif
>
> > Some keywords in the original posting caused rejection.
>
> Nope, it got posted fine. Just another google glitch that made it look to you like it didnt get posted.
>
> > Could not figure out which one.
>
I did not get posted in full. I started experimenting with that
divided the message by half to see which one cased the problem. What
you see is just one half of it. The problem is in the first half. Some
combination of word was unacceptable to Google. It never happened
before. Have they changed their policies?
Stray Dog
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Old Pif wrote:
> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Old Pif <Old...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants, sci.econ, soc.culture.indian,
> misc.invest.canada, sci.research.careers
> Subject: Re: A better use for that 700 billion dollars
>
> On Sep 21, 5:43 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Old Pif wrote:
>>> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Old Pif <Old...@gmail.com>
>>> Newsgroups: alt.computer.consultants, sci.econ, soc.culture.indian,
>>> misc.invest.canada, sci.research.careers
>>> Subject: Re: A better use for that 700 billion dollars
>>
>>> test
>>
>> Reading you loud and clear on a west coast NNTP server.
>
> It seems that Google deprived me of my free speech rights. Some
> keywords in the original posting caused rejection. Could not figure
> out which one.
>
I don't use them anymore, too many glitches and hackers can do
something--I don't know what-- to screw up the "security image letters" so
that at some time after you launch the browser, then you _always_ get
rejects on the security code. The latest Firefox update on version 2 was
fine for months, then it crapped out, too, in this way.
Also, I've seen my own posts appear on the outside, but not on google's
own server. Sometimes they are screwed up worse than you can imagine, too.
Best deal, I think, is a Unix shell account and your favorite NNTP agent
and on an ISP that does not have "in loco parentis" policies (eg. AOHell).
Also, the "rejections" can come at any time and for reasons they never
explain (eg. I've had rejections that I "think" are due to something
embedded that their software does not like, and once because the post was
too long, maybe?).
Also, they can be hacked (eg. Sarah Palin's email was hacked, as per the
newspapers). Lotsa dirt coming out on her and her family, anyway.
Greg Goss
>> It seems that Google deprived me of my free speech rights.
>Also, they can be hacked (eg. Sarah Palin's email was hacked, as per the
>newspapers). Lotsa dirt coming out on her and her family, anyway.
Palin's email address was on Yahoo, not Gmail. There wasn't anything
particularly incriminating on it. The real dirt is elsewhere.
--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27
Rod Speed
> On Sep 21, 10:02 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Some keywords in the original posting caused rejection.
>>
>> Nope, it got posted fine. Just another google glitch that made it
>> look to you like it didnt get posted.
>>
>>> Could not figure out which one.
>>
>
> I did not get posted in full. I started experimenting with that
> divided the message by half to see which one cased the problem.
That assumes that either caused the problem.
> What you see is just one half of it. The problem is in the first half.
> Some combination of word was unacceptable to Google.
You dont know that last.
> It never happened before. Have they changed their policies?
Nope. Google has always had glitches tho.
co...@geesaman.com
> From now on, any company that does not produce something of value will
> not be in business. So called financial companies really do not
> produce any useful product. Anyone can set a financial compnay up
> that gambles away someone else's hard earned money on the stock
> market. They are not worth the billions that they claim to be worth
> or that they are asking for from the govt/taxpayer.
>
> It is a complete waste of money to hand over700billiondollars to a
> bunch of worthless companies going under.
>
> I suggest the700billionbe used to fund companies involved in
> technological or scientific development. By development I mean
> producing a useful product that sells in the US or overseas. Moeny
> spent on scientific/engineering R&D (i highlight the D) is the only
> thing that grows the real economy. By contrast, paper games created
> by financial companies contribute nothing of value to the economy.
ObamaCultExposed
> Stray Dog <sdog...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
>>> It seems that Google deprived me of my free speech rights.
>
>> Also, they can be hacked (eg. Sarah Palin's email was hacked, as per the
>> newspapers). Lotsa dirt coming out on her and her family, anyway.
>
> Palin's email address was on Yahoo, not Gmail. There wasn't anything
> particularly incriminating on it. The real dirt is elsewhere.
Obama has so much dirt on him he is black
marika
<orang...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:59fe12d3-351a-4763...@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
"The Secretary’s authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under
this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 ******outstanding at any
one time*********"
when they reach the 700bn limit they can sell the debt on for pennies
on the dollar and start over. all at the taxpayer's expense. section
10 reveals they expect to spend 3 trillion.
==========
It's blatantly obvious that they will sell the discounted bonds to their
"friends" or "insiders" who will benefit three times, first because the
bonds still yield a monthly coupon, second because they will get a tax write
off for buying the bad bonds, and finally when the market rebounds they'll
make good money
mk5000
"Let's live in the suburbs
If I let where I'm from burn I can never return!
My brother reads you and me his new poetry
How embarassing"--vampire forest fire, arcade fire
marika
"Greg Goss" <go...@gossg.org> wrote in message
news:6jpoc9F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> Palin's email address was on Yahoo, not Gmail. There wasn't anything
> particularly incriminating on it. The real dirt is elsewhere.
> --
Yeah the real incriminating stuff was on tv last night.
she memorizes things very well. Can't come up with an original line, except
for "You betcha". o no Sorry, someone already took credit for originating
that one.
refused to answer direct uncomplicated questions.
Why should I imagine that someone who won't answer a question without
spouting a memorized line will be able to make an independent decision when
the crisis comes.
Why should I imagine that her neocon handlers, the same rove and company who
handled bush, will take over her soul right after they off McCain
Her explanation for her poor performance on Couric: I was annoyed with her.
She is pathetic.
If she let Couric who gave her softballs get to her, imagine what she will
do when the Looming Head of Putin flies in over the Atlantic instead of the
West Coast.
mk5000
"Then I'll dig a tunnel from my window to yours
Yeah, a tunnel from my window to yours
You climb out the chinmey
And meet me in the middle"--neighborhood #1 tunnels, arcade fire