Maniac-depression

Twins

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99

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Hi everyone. I'm writing from Italy. I need information about
maniac-depressive syndrome. Does anyone know any book, website or other
where I can find detailed info about that subject?
Thanks a lot.

OLPsy Mind

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99

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If you'll email me at OLPs...@aol.com with specifics of what your looking
for, I can provide quite a few references.

Derek

Jukka Mannonen

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Jul 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/1/99

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Twins (dsmt...@dimensione.com) wrote:
: Hi everyone. I'm writing from Italy. I need information about

: maniac-depressive syndrome. Does anyone know any book, website or other
: where I can find detailed info about that subject?
: Thanks a lot.

:
www.depression.com

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Karla Sampaio

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99

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Hi!

There's a fantastic book, written by a doctor that suffers by this syndrome.
Her name is "Kay Redfield Jamison" and this is the most impressive book that
I have ever heard about. Of course, I'm a system analyst and don't know
about ths so much as I would like to.

"Extraordinary personal report of Kay Redfield Jamison, international
autority in the maniac-depressive syndrome and one of the major knowlegment
in this subject in the world. A revelation about her own fight, since her
adolescence, with this desease and how it changed her life."

The name in portuguese is "Uma mente inquieta", and sorry, I don't know its
name in English. But I think that I you look for her name, you will
certainly find it.

Nowadays she gives workshops around the world, helping people to survive
this in the best way they can.

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Victor

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99

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Karla Sampaio wrote:

> Hi!
>
> There's a fantastic book, written by a doctor that suffers by this syndrome.
> Her name is "Kay Redfield Jamison" and this is the most impressive book that
> I have ever heard about.

> <snip>.....................................................
>
> The name in portuguese is "Uma mente inquieta", <snip>

Unquiet Mind????

Chris Malcolm

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"David Wicker" <davet...@email.msn.com> writes:

>I have read her book "Touched with fire". Although interesting it lacked
>objectivity and clinical usefulness.

That book is not meant to have objectivity and clinical
usefulness. For that you want the clinically authoritative "Manic
Depressive Illness" by Frederick K. Goodwin, Kay Redfield Jamison.

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David Wicker

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Jul 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/5/99

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First of all, sorry about this cross-posting.

I have read her book "Touched with fire". Although interesting it lacked

objectivity and clinical usefulness. By the way...it's manic-depression not
maniac-depression. Maniac gives it a whole different feel don't you think?

Dave

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Ph.D. Candidate
Clinical Psychology

Psychology Department
University of Tennessee
307 Austin Peay
Knoxville, TN 37996-0900

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dwi...@utk.edu

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Karla Sampaio <ka...@cs.inf.br> wrote in message
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> Hi!
>
> There's a fantastic book, written by a doctor that suffers by this
syndrome.
> Her name is "Kay Redfield Jamison" and this is the most impressive book
that

Karla Sampaio

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K@

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Think thats another book written by Kay Redfield Jamison. Maybe this book is
some more specific and clinical?

Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>"David Wicker" <davet...@email.msn.com> writes:
>
>>I have read her book "Touched with fire". Although interesting it lacked
>>objectivity and clinical usefulness.
>

K@

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Thanks for your report...!!! :o)
I confess I didn't read this book, but I have heard lots about it... and I
really have interest on that.
On the other hand, I think the correct is "maniac-depression"... But, look,
I do not live in the US ou UK... So, as a portuguese speaker, maybe you're
right...!!
Are you sure??????

David Wicker <davet...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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>First of all, sorry about this cross-posting.

>I have read her book "Touched with fire". Although interesting it lacked

>objectivity and clinical usefulness. By the way...it's manic-depression
not
>maniac-depression. Maniac gives it a whole different feel don't you think?
>
>Dave
>
>--
>David W. Wicker M.S.
>Ph.D. Candidate
>Clinical Psychology
>
>Psychology Department
>University of Tennessee
>307 Austin Peay
>Knoxville, TN 37996-0900
>
>davet...@email.msn.com
>dwi...@utk.edu
>
>...and I gave up showbiz for this?
>Karla Sampaio <ka...@cs.inf.br> wrote in message
>news:7lqq28$rms$1...@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br...

F. Frank LeFever

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Jul 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM7/7/99

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Tried to reply last night, but message got hung up in some kind of
loop.

(1) Yes, yes, yes, we are sure: it is (WAS) "manic-depression", NOT
"maniac-depression", but an even better search term would be (the more
current) "bipolar disorder" or "affective disorder, bipolar".

However, in Russian it IS "maniac" (transliteration; don't think the
Cyrillic would come through even if my computer were capable of it), so
possibly you are right about the spelling in Portugese (a very
different language, but spoken Portugese DOES sound vaguely Slavic...)

(2) I gave a brief tutorial (in my aborted message), which at this late
hour I'll not try to reconstruct, but you should consult any psychiatry
text or abnormal psychology text to get some of the basics of this
condition.

(3) I also advised you to ignore the fellow who said it was all in the
minds and/or the pocketbooks of psychiatrists; whether his complaint is
based on unresolved personal problems, inadequate diagnosis or
treatment by some psychiatrist in the past, or just a general
counter-culture bias, he is not likely to tell you anything useful.

(4) I also anticipated his likely retort by pointing out that I do not
diagnose and treat affective disorders, do not prescribe medications,
am primarily interested in brain function, and in my clinical work will
of course be attentive to emotional/motivational factors but am chiefly
trying to evaluate cognitive/percptual problems and try to determine
their relationship to possible neurological damage, etc.

(5) I made some reference to lithium as a means of moderating the
swings from mania to depression and back. I would now emphasize the
point made my a previous commentator, that lithium is NOT the sort of
thing drug companies have a financial incentive to "push".

F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
New York Neuropsychology Group

In <7ltpn4$j9e$1...@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br> "K@" <ka...@cs.inf.br>
writes:

>
>Think thats another book written by Kay Redfield Jamison. Maybe this
book is
>some more specific and clinical?
>
>
>Chris Malcolm <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:7lr3fq$m5t$1...@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
>>"David Wicker" <davet...@email.msn.com> writes:
>>

>>>I have read her book "Touched with fire". Although interesting it
lacked
>>>objectivity and clinical usefulness.
>>

David Wicker

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Yep I'm sure it's manic. As pointed out in another posting though, the
translation may come across as maniac.

Dave

--
David W. Wicker M.S.
Ph.D. Candidate
Clinical Psychology

Psychology Department
University of Tennessee
307 Austin Peay
Knoxville, TN 37996-0900

davet...@email.msn.com
dwi...@utk.edu

...and I gave up showbiz for this?

K@ <ka...@cs.inf.br> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your report...!!! :o)
> I confess I didn't read this book, but I have heard lots about it... and I
> really have interest on that.
> On the other hand, I think the correct is "maniac-depression"... But,
look,
> I do not live in the US ou UK... So, as a portuguese speaker, maybe you're
> right...!!
> Are you sure??????
>
>
>
> David Wicker <davet...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OvIMGkxx#GA.52@cpmsnbbsa05...
> >First of all, sorry about this cross-posting.

> >I have read her book "Touched with fire". Although interesting it lacked

Graham Wolstenholme

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Aug 1, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/1/99

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F. Frank LeFever (flef...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: (2) I gave a brief tutorial (in my aborted message), which at this late

: hour I'll not try to reconstruct, but you should consult any psychiatry
: text or abnormal psychology text to get some of the basics of this
: condition.

I strongly recommend "Manic depressive illness", part authored by Kay
Redfield Jamieson, mentioned by previous writers. It's pretty much the
definitive text. (see at end)

: (3) I also advised you to ignore the fellow who said it was all in the

: minds and/or the pocketbooks of psychiatrists;

He's missed the point entirely.
Bipoolar disorder (manic depressive illness) is NOT in the mind of
psychiatrists.
It's in the minds of us, the patients! (-8
It might not be real in his mind, but it sure as hell is real in my mind.
And it was real in my mind for many years before someone finally put a
label on it too. It is not something some psychiatrist/god told me I have
and therefore I have it. It is something very very nasty which I
experience and which I now know that many other people experience.

: (4) I also anticipated his likely retort by pointing out that I do not

: diagnose and treat affective disorders, do not prescribe medications,
: am primarily interested in brain function, and in my clinical work will
: of course be attentive to emotional/motivational factors but am chiefly
: trying to evaluate cognitive/percptual problems and try to determine
: their relationship to possible neurological damage, etc.

Ditto, I don't make money out of other bipolars, but I do benefit
considerably from keeping up with the experiences of Drs working with
other people who experience similar conditions.

: (5) I made some reference to lithium as a means of moderating the

: swings from mania to depression and back. I would now emphasize the
: point made my a previous commentator, that lithium is NOT the sort of
: thing drug companies have a financial incentive to "push".

Heheheh
It's just over 50 years now since Lithium carbonate was first used in
Bipolar disorder. It's a simple metallic salt. There's very little money
to be made from it.

: F. Frank LeFever, Ph.D.
: New York Neuropsychology Group

Graham Wolstenholme, B.Sc.(Psych), B.Eng.(Mech)

Ethel Jean Saltz

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On 1 Aug 1999 02:28:12 GMT, zebedee@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE
(Graham Wolstenholme) wrote:

>Bipoolar disorder (manic depressive illness) is NOT in the mind of
>psychiatrists.
>It's in the minds of us, the patients! (-8
>It might not be real in his mind, but it sure as hell is real in my mind.
>And it was real in my mind for many years before someone finally put a
>label on it too. It is not something some psychiatrist/god told me I have
>and therefore I have it. It is something very very nasty which I
>experience and which I now know that many other people experience.

========================
Besides, it can actually be measured scientifically. The psychiatrists
just aren't defining the research to make this an economical test.
It's chemical ratios. Instead, we have imprecise medical attention not
based on precise measurements. Guess all the money goes to monitor
drug peddlers instead. Get rid of the Drug Czar and the WOD and spend
the money on measurement of bi-polar-disorder.

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