On BJ, Answer to Peter Hood, thug
Anonymous
part of the MN Univ. System (all one big system). He is not presently
working in that capacity and Dr. Jacob Sines (the one in charge of the
Rogers case on the Iowa Licensing Board) KNOWS ALL THIS. He has also
been advised that Rogers's defamation and false charges may be a factor
in Brad presently working out-of-field with a loss of earnings. Brad
has discussing things with Dr. Sines three times on the phone in
addition to the letters and the formal complaint. ( The formal complaint
that was filed has NOT been made available.)
Living to Learn
person just because you think it sounds authoritative or something ...
I won't call it an obvious sock-puppet ... I will leave determining
that to the experts).... you are saying that Brad could easily work
"in-field" if prospective employers were not up to date on all that
Dr. Rogers has been saying about Brad? Brad has been trying to get
work with people that read this newsgroup?
I have great doubts that it would be Dan's contributions that caused
them to second think Brad's ability. All they would have to do is
wait for any of Brad's posts or even go to his website to determine
that Brad wouldn't work out in any field related to psychotherapy at
all.
lpacker
>Brad Jesness TYPICALLY works for the Minnesota Community College System,
>part of the MN Univ. System (all one big system).
If I understand the post of Peter's to which you reply, the U. of MN
states that an employee of a community college is NOT an employee of
the U. of Minnesota.
Therefore: did Brad lie on Sept. 13th?
Was he employed by the U. of Minnesota on Sept. 13th, 1998, when he
made that assertion to Dr. Sines, _and_:
If he was not an employee of the UMN on Sept. 13, 1998, was he
employed by ANY community college as a psychology or counseling
instructor on that date? Yes or no?
> He is not presently
>working in that capacity
Was he on Sept. 13th when he alleged that he was an employee of the
University of Minnesota? Yes or no?
And if not, when was the LAST time Brad was employed as a psychology
or counseling instructor? Elsewhere you state "... has spent several
years" over the last decade, etc. During which specific years did
Brad teach as a community college instructor?
>and Dr. Jacob Sines (the one in charge of the
>Rogers case on the Iowa Licensing Board) KNOWS ALL THIS.
How does he know that?
>He has also
>been advised that Rogers's defamation and false charges may be a factor
>in Brad presently working out-of-field with a loss of earnings.
He may have been advised of that, but that doesn't mean he's stupid
enough to believe it.
>Brad
>has discussing things with Dr. Sines three times on the phone in
>addition to the letters and the formal complaint. ( The formal complaint
>that was filed has NOT been made available.)
Dr. Sines is professional and would return phone calls if Brad
requested return calls. The fact that he returns phone calls cannot
be construed to indicate anything other than Dr. Sines' courtesy.
Additionally, Brad noted MONTHS ago that he had 3 conversations with
Dr. Sines. To try to imply that this is proceeding when there has
been no new developments is misleading at best.
Perhaps others here should note that Dr. Sines is not an investigator
for the board. If they never took the next step of assigning an
investigator, it doesn't sound like Brad's complaint did anything
other than waste a lot of their time and money.
Brad, do let us know when you get a letter from them telling you that
they are going forward with the complaint or that they have closed the
case. So far, it doesn't seem like your complaint got past Square 1.
Leslie
Cipher
lpa...@nassau.REMOVETHIS.cv.net writes:
>Brad, do let us know when you get a letter from them telling you that
>they are going forward with the complaint or that they have closed the
>case. So far, it doesn't seem like your complaint got past Square 1.
I've got a thousand bucks sez the Iowa Board NEVER takes any action
against Rogers based on any of Brad's complaints.
I'll repost this every New Year's Eve. If I remember. Oh yeah, Brad
will undoubtedly being spewing this BS ad nausem, so no chance I'll
forget...
We'll see what happens...
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Peter
REMOVETHIS.cv.net> writes
>Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> wrote:
>
>>Brad Jesness TYPICALLY works for the Minnesota Community College System,
>>part of the MN Univ. System (all one big system).
>
>If I understand the post of Peter's to which you reply, the U. of MN
>states that an employee of a community college is NOT an employee of
>the U. of Minnesota.
That is correct!
>Therefore: did Brad lie on Sept. 13th?
I believe "yes". See below for quotes between 22 Jan 1996 and 02 Jul
1998 when he claimed to be a counselling instructor. It seems unlikely
to me that he changed jobs, and my gut feeling is that <if he ever has
been an instructor> he has had one job only in Mpls.
>Was he employed by the U. of Minnesota on Sept. 13th, 1998, when he
>made that assertion to Dr. Sines, _and_:
I believe "No"; Jesness has stated - in news - that he is a community
college counselling instructor over the past two or three years. Thus I
believe he was NOT employed by the "UMN system", to use his own words.
He also claims to have a considerable number of credits to a counselling
degree; however, this was dealt with by Nancy, who on investigation and
cross-questioning Jesness pointed out that he had no postgraduate
credits.
Another of his lies exposed.
>If he was not an employee of the UMN on Sept. 13, 1998, was he
>employed by ANY community college as a psychology or counseling
>instructor on that date? Yes or no?
Doubtful. Can someone please check the annual APA membership statements
for the past two years or so?
>> He is not presently
>>working in that capacity
>
>Was he on Sept. 13th when he alleged that he was an employee of the
>University of Minnesota? Yes or no?
Doubtful.
>And if not, when was the LAST time Brad was employed as a psychology
>or counseling instructor?
Aye, here's the rub! See below.
>Elsewhere you state "... has spent several
>years" over the last decade, etc. During which specific years did
>Brad teach as a community college instructor?
Are the old APA directories showing members employment kept available
for public scrutiny, Doctor Packer? ;-)
ISTR that a recent edition had NOTHING in the employment section for
Jesness' entry.
>>and Dr. Jacob Sines (the one in charge of the
>>Rogers case on the Iowa Licensing Board) KNOWS ALL THIS.
>
>How does he know that?
He doesn't; unless he is psychic, or Jesness has told him and he unlike
Monica swallowed. Just like Brad never smoked, huh? Never libelled
people out of replay, never posted their addresses, never telephoned
people, never stalked me <oops, I have the evidence there>, and so on,
blah, blah, blah, blah.......
>>He has also
>>been advised that Rogers's defamation and false charges may be a factor
>>in Brad presently working out-of-field with a loss of earnings.
>
>He may have been advised of that, but that doesn't mean he's stupid
>enough to believe it.
Jesness' employment history says more about him than it does about
Doctor Rogers. Doctor Sines will need to very carefully look at matters
such as this. I doubt if Jesness will stand even perfunctory scrutiny,
and be scrutinised he must.
If his claims WRT Dan are correct <fat chance> then the foundation for
these claims MUST also be studied.
>>Brad
>>has discussing things with Dr. Sines three times on the phone in
>>addition to the letters and the formal complaint. ( The formal complaint
>>that was filed has NOT been made available.)
>
>Dr. Sines is professional and would return phone calls if Brad
>requested return calls. The fact that he returns phone calls cannot
>be construed to indicate anything other than Dr. Sines' courtesy.
>Additionally, Brad noted MONTHS ago that he had 3 conversations with
>Dr. Sines. To try to imply that this is proceeding when there has
>been no new developments is misleading at best.
Pleading, begging and grovelling is/was the order, 'going by the
evidence' supplied by Jesness.
>Perhaps others here should note that Dr. Sines is not an investigator
>for the board. If they never took the next step of assigning an
>investigator, it doesn't sound like Brad's complaint did anything
>other than waste a lot of their time and money.
So true. Also, any investigator would need to investigate the plaintiff.
Perhaps preliminary checks have revealed Jesness for the unreliable and
venal creature that I say he is.
>Brad, do let us know when you get a letter from them telling you that
>they are going forward with the complaint or that they have closed the
>case. So far, it doesn't seem like your complaint got past Square 1.
I bet he didn't even get a seasonal greetings card. From anyone, except
for Renee. Would she send him one if she knew of his infidelity?
Doubtful.
She's either blind, a sucker, or trapped with this unfaithful man; at
least 6 attempts to find a distraction outside of his marriage in
February 1996, and at least one other in July 1996... ...that's just the
attempts he did not succeed in cancelling in the archives.
>Leslie
===========
Date: 22 Jan 1996 15:02:39 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <4e08uf$7...@stratus.skypoint.net>
Much of the idea of the need for and effectiveness of professional
people is based on pure myth. -- b j (M.A. in Psychology, counseling
instructor)
-----------
In article <50muq5$o...@antares.en.com>, Cognitee
<na57...@anon.penet.fi> writes
Subject: For the Good of Myself and the Good of the Group: I no
longer respond to abusive posts *OR* to persons that have abused me
Date: 1996/09/05
Dear Readers:
<snip>
>Thank you.
> sincerely, b jesness, psychology instructor, counseling
> instructor, noted and plublished behavioral scientist
-----------
Date: 27 Jul 1996 18:41:36 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <4tdnt0$l...@stratus.skypoint.net>
> I suggest you become not only a "student" (to use the term loosely)
>but a sceince-practitioner in every moment. -- b jesness M.A.
>(behavioral scientist, ethologist, counseling instructor)
-----------
Date: 26 Aug 1996 23:32:28 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <an571479-260...@198.22.19.211>
P.S. Pricilla
Here is an example of a post that I believed has helped many and may
have saved lives. It is "Advice in Seeking a Counselor/Therapist"
<snip>
> Dear Readers:
> AS A COUNSELING AND PSYCHOLOGY INSTRUCTOR THIS IS WHAT I TELL
PEOPLE SEEKING COUNSELING:
<snip>
-----------
Subject: Re: Due to Abuses By Therapists in this Newsgroup I am now
Being Harassed and Threatened
Date: 28 Aug 1996 19:45:29 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <an571479-280...@198.22.19.221>
<snip>
Here is the service "Client Advocates" proudly and rightly provides:
Dear Readers:
AS A COUNSELING AND PSYCHOLOGY INSTRUCTOR
<snip>
-----------
Date: 28 Aug 1996 19:57:24 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <an571479-280...@198.22.19.221>
For the benefit of those reading this thread, LET ME PROUDLY INDICATE
THE GOOD CAUSES that "Client Avocates" serves and how:
Dear Readers:
AS A COUNSELING AND PSYCHOLOGY INSTRUCTOR
<snip>
-----------
Subject: Re: Make you a deal: No one speaks of me personally or
harasses me and I'll leave this newsgroup now
Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:33:56 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <4tvrh4$g...@stratus.skypoint.net>
<snip>
-- b jesness, M.A., developmental
psychologist, counseling instructor (I have substantial work towards a
second degree, one in counseling).
-----------
In article <50msf1$e...@antares.en.com>, Cognitee
<na57...@anon.penet.fi> writes
Subject: Back-to-School Special: State of the Counseling/"Therapy"
Field Today:
Date: 5 Sep 1996 15:43:29 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
> B Jesness, a counseling and psychology instructor, has argued that
a
>major set of FOUNDATION research studies for the counseling/"therapy"
>field has not yet been done.
<snip>
> AS A COUNSELING AND PSYCHOLOGY INSTRUCTOR THIS IS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE
>SEEKING COUNSELING:
<snip>
-- b jesness
-----------
Date: 5 Sep 1996 16:23:33 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <50muq5$o...@antares.en.com>
>Dear Readers:
<snip>
>quelling "problems" here is a good one and is very considerate OF ALL.
>Thank you.
> sincerely, b jesness, psychology instructor, counseling
> instructor, noted and plublished behavioral scientist
-----------
From: Cognitee <an69...@anon.penet.fi>
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: The ApA should teach its membership to have regard for
types of PSYCHOLOGISTS other than clinicians
Date: 7 Aug 1996 13:03:33 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <4ua475$a...@stratus.skypoint.net>
Dear Ember,
I am an instructor of counseling (or have been: it's summer now). I
also teach developmental psychology and have for a decade. -- b jesness
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Re: Broken promises and comic strips: view of a loving
therapist.
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:58:09 -0500
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-010...@ts003d15.min-mn.concentric.net>
I HAVE virtually no fallibility on the basics. That's why I am
considered an EXCELLENT instructor, most knowledgeable in the field.
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Come Look in on sci.psychology.psychotherapy*GATE*
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 11:18:59 -0500
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-020...@ts013d18.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
regards, brad
jesness, college counseling and psyc. instructor
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Re: Broken promises and comic strips: view of a loving
therapist.
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:46:20 -0500
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-020...@ts005d16.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
You unethical stand may require that I report you to the Iowa Board of
Psychology. signed, brad jesness , college counseling and psychology
instructor
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Re: Paraprofessionals and Carl Rogers
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:59:37 -0600
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-240...@ts004d02.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
-- brad jesness, M.A., psychology and counseling instructor,
internationally known behavioral scientist, APS member and associate
member of the APA
-----------
Subject: Formal Complaints Lodged against APA, Post 2 of 2
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:44:20 -0600
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-220...@ts011d15.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
-- brad jesness, M.A., psychology and counseling instructor (associate
member of the APA)
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<snip>
---------------------
-- brad jesness, M.A., psychology and counseling instructor (associate
member of the APA)
-----------
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:06:02 -0600
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<snip>
Here is another interesting essay by Brad this group never got the
priviledge to read (since despite his being a college counseling
instructor his view were CENSORED !):
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Re: Dan Roger's Behavior is Unethical
Date: 14 Jun 1998 16:13:39 EDT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-140...@ts007d06.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
signed, Brad Jesness, college psychology and counseling instructor
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy,sci.psychology.misc,sci.psychol
ogy.theory,alt.society.mental-health
Subject: Formal Complaints against the APA (Post 2 of 2)
Date: 27 Jun 1998 22:02:20 EDT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-270...@ts004d03.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
---------------------
-- brad jesness, M.A., psychology and counseling instructor (associate
member of the APA)
<snip>
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Re: Lend Support to Nancy A.
Date: 01 Jul 1998 23:04:07 EDT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-010...@ts004d04.min-mn.concentric.net>
I am a professional college counseling and psychology instructor
<snip>
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Newsgroups: sci.psychology.psychotherapy
Subject: Re: Do you care for me?
Date: 02 Jul 1998 14:36:57 EDT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-020...@ts004d27.min-mn.concentric.net>
<snip>
YES, though I have been a college counseling
instructor
<snip>
-----------
From: good...@hotmail.com (Cognitee)
Subject: Re: Okay, read about "Brad" >:(
Date: 18 Jul 1998 12:48:51 EDT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <good_brad-180...@ts008d42.min-mn.concentric.net>
I am a professional: psychology instructor. I can counsel if I want to
also.
<snip>
===========
As yet I have no dates for these:
In article <good_brad-240...@ts013d08.min-mn.concentric.net>
Good Bard wrote:
> Dear sw,
<snip>
> regards, bard jesness, college psychology and counseling instructor
-----------
-- brad jesness, M.A., psychology and counseling instructor (associate
member of the APA)
In article <good_brad-200...@dial008.future.net>, Cognitee
<good...@hotmail.com> writes
>Dear Peter,
> I am a professional psychology and counseling instructor -- a well-
known PROFESSION.
<snip>
-
Peter
<Do something about the + in my address if you want to write.>
http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Central.htm
http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Nastyman.htm
http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/BradKill.htm
http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Stalker.htm
http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Profiles.htm
Alias count; 438
Kimberly Barnard
Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:22:57 +0000, Pe...@wharton.demon.co.uk,
Peter says...
snip to the main point of awe:
:I believe "No"; Jesness has stated - in news - that he is a community
:college counselling instructor over the past two or three years. Thus I
:believe he was NOT employed by the "UMN system", to use his own words.
It is hard to believe he has been employed at all given the
frequency and volume of his posts to news.
:He also claims to have a considerable number of credits to a counselling
:degree; however, this was dealt with by Nancy, who on investigation and
:cross-questioning Jesness pointed out that he had no postgraduate
:credits.
Peter, are you saying it was shown that he does not even
have a Master's degree? I thought he had an MA? Are you
talking about a doctoral program?
snip remainder
Kym
Peter
<barn...@uwp.edu> writes
>In article <XQLRLcAx...@wharton.demon.co.uk>, posted
>Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:22:57 +0000, Pe...@wharton.demon.co.uk,
>Peter says...
>snip to the main point of awe:
>
>:college counselling instructor over the past two or three years. Thus I
>:believe he was NOT employed by the "UMN system", to use his own words.
>
>frequency and volume of his posts to news.
Well, precisely. Then look at the times. Not that it should matter, eh
Jesness?
>:He also claims to have a considerable number of credits to a counselling
>:degree; however, this was dealt with by Nancy, who on investigation and
>:cross-questioning Jesness pointed out that he had no postgraduate
>:credits.
>
>Peter, are you saying it was shown that he does not even
>have a Master's degree? I thought he had an MA? Are you
>talking about a doctoral program?
It is widely believed that he has a terminal masters degree. He also
claimed to have postgraduate credits, and ISTR he was of the opinion
they counted toward a higher postgraduate qualification.
Nancy dealt with this with her usual aplomb.
Earlier there was this interesting item:
-"-
Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:33:56 GMT
Organization: Client Advocates
Message-ID: <4tvrh4$g...@stratus.skypoint.net>
<snip>
-- b jesness, M.A., developmental
psychologist, counseling instructor (I have substantial work towards a
second degree, one in counseling).
-"-
Since his father is a psychiatrist and his Uncle a forensic psychologist
with no little reputation it does not take an Einstein to see that
Jesness probably feels the pinch when considering his own status. Hence
perhaps the claims to published status, international renown and
suchlike.
I continually wonder though. He said that clinical psychologists should
be "kicked back to the past", and later that psychologists "dance on the
grave" of psychiatrists.
Food for therapeutic thoughts here. "Der liddle horgan iss enfeeious
hoff der beeg horganz"?
My speculations about his life before usenet may in the not too distant
future be more informed...
>snip remainder
>
>Kym
Kimberly Barnard
Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:30:01 +0000, Pe...@wharton.demon.co.uk+,
Peter says...
:In article <MPG.10f6afbab...@news.alpha.net>, Kimberly Barnard
:<barn...@uwp.edu> writes
:>In article <XQLRLcAx...@wharton.demon.co.uk>, posted
:>Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:22:57 +0000, Pe...@wharton.demon.co.uk,
:>Peter says...
snip
:>Peter, are you saying it was shown that he does not even
:>have a Master's degree? I thought he had an MA? Are you
:>talking about a doctoral program?
:
:It is widely believed that he has a terminal masters degree. He also
:claimed to have postgraduate credits, and ISTR he was of the opinion
:they counted toward a higher postgraduate qualification.
:
:Nancy dealt with this with her usual aplomb.
OK... good. I thought I was misunderstanding something.
:Earlier there was this interesting item:
:
: -"-
:Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:33:56 GMT
:Organization: Client Advocates
:Message-ID: <4tvrh4$g...@stratus.skypoint.net>
:<snip>
:-- b jesness, M.A., developmental
:psychologist, counseling instructor (I have substantial work towards a
:second degree, one in counseling).
: -"-
:
:
:Since his father is a psychiatrist and his Uncle a forensic psychologist
:with no little reputation it does not take an Einstein to see that
:Jesness probably feels the pinch when considering his own status. Hence
:perhaps the claims to published status, international renown and
:suchlike.
:
:I continually wonder though. He said that clinical psychologists should
:be "kicked back to the past", and later that psychologists "dance on the
:grave" of psychiatrists.
:
:Food for therapeutic thoughts here. "Der liddle horgan iss enfeeious
:hoff der beeg horganz"?
Ah!
Who is the analyst now? :P
:My speculations about his life before usenet may in the not too distant
:future be more informed...
I look forward to hearing more about that.
:>snip remainder
:>
:>Kym
:-
:Peter
: <Do something about the + in my address if you want to write.>
:
: http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Central.htm
: http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Nastyman.htm
: http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/BradKill.htm
: http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Stalker.htm
: http://www.wharton.demon.co.uk/Profiles.htm
: Alias count; 438
:
--
Kym
PH #4
"Mean people suck."
(a bumper sticker spotted in SE Wisconsin)
Peter
<barn...@uwp.edu> writes
>In article <m0VdiHAJ...@wharton.demon.co.uk>, posted
>Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:30:01 +0000, Pe...@wharton.demon.co.uk+,
>Peter says...
>:I continually wonder though. He said that clinical psychologists should
>:be "kicked back to the past", and later that psychologists "dance on the
>:grave" of psychiatrists.
>:
>:Food for therapeutic thoughts here. "Der liddle horgan iss enfeeious
>:hoff der beeg horganz"?
>
>Ah!
>
>Who is the analyst now? :P
I oopsed there, didn't I?
Now I will be spanked by JP for my idle, armchair speculations!