Re: The ship of fools is now leaving Copenhagen sailing at top speed on the world tour
kdt...@earthlink.net
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> On Algore's Island, you will run naked next to Algore, freed from
any
> carnal connections to carbon and carbon dioxide, returning to the
> primitive communal paradise of dreams of the carbon paranoid.
Fig leafs are not permitted in algore's 'global warming kooks gone
wild paradise'.
Fig leafs decay by the action of bacteria which decompose the complex
carbon compounds into methane which naturally oxidizes with oxygen in
the atmosphere within 10-12 years into carbon dioxide and water.
Almost all organic material on earth decomposes in this manner.
That is why we are so interested in having Hansen give his lecture, in
which he may explain his calls to reduce world methane emissions by
1/3. Despite the short time in which methane decomposes, Hansen refers
to it as a 'long-lived' GHG.
By his own word he is the pioneer in the idea that methane is a
dangerous pollutant and important in affecting climate. No rational
scientist or person would consider this since it only exists at
1.5ppm, and no effect upon radiation retention can be detected in the
laboratory.
Yet Hansen promotes his idea of real dangers of methane and the severe
economic costs of controlling emissions such as severe taxes upon
livestock.
Hansen is not mathematically clear on how much his called for
reductions can actually have benefit for climate, although he clearly
believes in a great amount of indirect genocide or direct genocide to
achieve the reductions of emissions that he calls for.
His portrait is duly planted at several important locations on the
Ship of Fools, as the primary consultant in navigation through the
seas of idiocy.
KD
windcatcher
The World is held hostage to a 20th Century fossil fuel product line.
The use of fossil fuels is here until the Earth gives up. The
advancement in SCIENCE with new inventions (new economy) is unfunded
and will not happen this Century.
Greed is a disease. Good enough is never good enough and the hunger
for profit and power is never satisfied- the soul is never grateful.
I am sure the poor, resource rich, countries and Europe are taking a
second look at U.S and Communist China industrial relations and
reexamining their own alliances. American Multinational corporations
have no loyalty to any one country.
At least at Copenhagen 15 no one was seriously injured. The next
convention will be held in the “narcotic” designated country of Mexico
where mercenary drug lords and Federallies will be available for hire
(contractors) to crush the “Friends of the Earth” demonstrators; that
outcome could be quite different.
I know many of the Republican, multinational corporate backed right
wing hate propagandist that openly broadcast here are banned from
broadcasting in Europe. Limbaugh, Savage, Beck, Hannity, Faux News and
the other paid propagandist are working the multinational corporate
backed subversive right wing organizations “U.S Citizens Association”
and “Freedom First” (sic) in the same style Hitler used to whip up the
“Brown Shirts” in Germany. (Planned August- D.C assault) It always
amazes me how people can be manipulated to act, not in their own self
interest, but in the interest of the propagandist that control them.
(19 year assault)
”Free Trade” (sic) agreements have nullified our American national
Sovereignty and Constitution and we are heading for World Corporate
Totalitarianism. American Freedom and Democracy- Free Enterprise and a
Competitive Market (capitalism) - Free Press-are gone. The
multinational corporation’s corruption of our government is near
complete, now they want the World.
The real question is: Can the Chinese Communist Party be corrupted by
the multinational corporations or will the Party eventually arrest
them for corruption and chop their heads off? - (Chinese penalty for
corruption- like the death penalty for Treason in the United States.)
That is an interesting marriage of strange bedfellows. The Chinese
certainly are not blind sided; they built the Great Wall to keep the
barbarians out and the structure of Communism well defines who the
Devil is. As far as I know, General Motors has the only corporate
delegate in the Communist Party and that delegate has only an
alternate position.
I M @ good guy
And you have something that can be a substitute,
at a little lower cost, I hope.
>The use of fossil fuels is here until the Earth gives up.
To some extent, how many brain cells did that take?
>The
>advancement in SCIENCE with new inventions (new economy) is unfunded
>and will not happen this Century.
Wrong, it happens constantly in the US,
too bad other nations can only copy, and some
do in violation of world copyright law.
>Greed is a disease.
And is the driver of criminals and carbon
credit sellers.
>Good enough is never good enough and the hunger
>for profit and power is never satisfied- the soul is never grateful.
Socialists claim no soul, but power is their objective.
>I am sure the poor, resource rich, countries and Europe are taking a
>second look at U.S and Communist China industrial relations and
>reexamining their own alliances. American Multinational corporations
>have no loyalty to any one country.
Look, and try to compete, but China sales
to the US may drop in half shortly, people in
the US has everything, the dumpsters are full
of Chinese junk, but the resale market of
repaired junk is growing.
>At least at Copenhagen 15 no one was seriously injured.
The police controlled the socialists ok?
>The next
>convention will be held in the “narcotic” designated country of Mexico
>where mercenary drug lords and Federallies will be available for hire
>(contractors) to crush the “Friends of the Earth” demonstrators; that
>outcome could be quite different.
And you know all about that because you are part of it?
>I know many of the Republican, multinational corporate backed right
>wing hate propagandist that openly broadcast here are banned from
>broadcasting in Europe.
What, censorship? How democratic.
>Limbaugh, Savage, Beck, Hannity, Faux News and
>the other paid propagandist are working the multinational corporate
>backed subversive right wing organizations “U.S Citizens Association”
>and “Freedom First” (sic) in the same style Hitler used to whip up the
>“Brown Shirts” in Germany. (Planned August- D.C assault) It always
>amazes me how people can be manipulated to act, not in their own self
>interest, but in the interest of the propagandist that control them.
>(19 year assault)
Put them in charge, they will work for free.
>”Free Trade” (sic) agreements have nullified our American national
>Sovereignty and Constitution and we are heading for World Corporate
>Totalitarianism. American Freedom and Democracy- Free Enterprise and a
>Competitive Market (capitalism) - Free Press-are gone. The
>multinational corporation’s corruption of our government is near
>complete, now they want the World.
You are talking about the socialist censorship?
>The real question is: Can the Chinese Communist Party be corrupted by
>the multinational corporations
How can Satan be taught evil? :-)
You funny.
>or will the Party eventually arrest
>them for corruption and chop their heads off? - (Chinese penalty for
>corruption- like the death penalty for Treason in the United States.)
>That is an interesting marriage of strange bedfellows. The Chinese
>certainly are not blind sided; they built the Great Wall to keep the
>barbarians out and the structure of Communism well defines who the
>Devil is. As far as I know, General Motors has the only corporate
>delegate in the Communist Party and that delegate has only an
>alternate position.
You rambled on, then ended with nonsense,
the article deserves an F for foolish confused nut,
the world needs to reconsider the good and bad
things about socialism and throw out the bad.
That won't leave much.
kdt...@earthlink.net
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On Dec 30, 8:14 am, Natsman <correz...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 30 Dec, 12:01, "kdth...@yahoo.com"
'> Caught on the back foot, and realising that carbon dioxide is no
criminal, they have to search for SOMETHING to clutch at, rather than
admit they've no real idea about climate variation at all, or even
reluctantly come to terms with the idea that the sun might have
'> something to do with it after all. Ship of fools indeed. let's
hope > they don't see the iceberg before it sinks them...
.....................
Oh they won't, and they can bet their damn carbon paranoid asses, that
the iceberg is headed straight for their rinky dink leaky assed boat.
Their captain and navigator, Hansen, is the charlatan extroidinair. He
has only a masters degree in astronomy. This means he couldn't make
the grade in astrophysics which requires apptitude in mathematics. He
is qualified to point telescopes at the stars and teach astronomy.
Being the dishonest opportunist that he is, he wormed his way into the
administrative job as head of climatology at NASA Goddard, and deamed
himself, 'Master Climatoligist', In any of his papers fully 50% of
the
references are to himself.
He has completely abused the respect people accord to NASA. People
assume the proper scientific establishment of facts have been done in
this field. Nothing is further from the truth.
People need to understand what a charlatan is. A dishonest prick that
cheats through college and continues to lie and cheat in the academic
world as a professional.
To read his recent formal paper of 2007, is a study in insanity. One
could write a paper 10 times as long in describing his insanity.
For instance he mentions the idea that it was human cultivation of
rice around 5000 yrs ago that produced enough methane to affect the
climate. The very little methane caused from human rice cultivation
could in no way be relevant in the vast quantities of methane
continually released and decomposed in nature.
He is utterly INSANE for even mentioning such a thing and is certainly
no scientist. In this paper he only refers to methane as a 'long
lived' GHG, with no reference that it decays withing 12 yrs in the
atmosphere and exists at only 1.5 parts per million with changes much
less than this.
No studies of methane in ice layers can show any relation to methane
and effect upon temperature, and the EPA's ratings for various
greenhouse gases are purely theoretically derived from Hansen's
contributions to the IPCC. The EPA has no direct laboratory science
for their numbers. They are acting without scientific basis and are
ILLEGAL.
This whole movement is based only upon the money which is achieved
through this climate scaremongering. And now they have transposed this
money cow into stock investments and the planned pilifering by the
recent criminal Copenhagen aggreement of billions of dollars to be
funneled on through this purely fraudulent scientific estimation of
anthropogenic effect upon climate complete with entirely falsified
temperature records and falsified proxy temperature reconstructions.
"Twelve o'clock and all is clear,,, no ICEBERGS headed this way,
captain".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahAHAHAHAHA
KD
Beam Me Up Scotty
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:52 -0800 (PST), windcatcher
> <wind...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greed is a disease.
Yes... a mental disease, greed is a neurosis that Liberals and
Socialists have, they fear that someone will have more stuff than they
have. This neurosis and fear of having "less" drives these
Liberal-Socialists to "great pains" to try to avoid their fear.
Liberal-Socialists go to the extreme of trying to force those with more
to hand their property over to the neurotic "mentally unstable
Liberal-Socialists" who can't and or won't work to achieve their own wealth.
The resulting neurotic, dysfunctional humans are busy working for
*mediocrity* of the entire Nation so that they can live without the fear
of being victims of their neurosis(The fear of having less money than
others).
These GREEDY Liberals and Socialists are victims of their disorder so we
shouldn't hate them, but pity them and their anti social behavior.
Someone who thinks everyone is guaranteed an equal life is obviously NOT
playing with a full deck. It is instead the reality that our
Constitution has granted us equal opportunity under the Government to
work for what ever life we want to create for ourselves.
--
*BE VERY CONCERNED*
*A LIBERTARIAN BAIL-OUT PLAN*
Reducing regulations is primary since regulation is what stifles
commerce, the more regulations, the more it costs our economy. Most
regulations are used by existing businesses to reduce competition, and
competition would help us get out of this depression.
End the "war on drugs" make them legal(increase competition) and sold at
any drug store and make prostitution legal too, that will take the BIG
money out of trafficking in drugs, and that will reduce the
gangs/dealers income and that should reduce the value of sex slaves and
hurt the slavery business income also. Why have illegal prostitutes
when there are so many legal tax paying prostitutes out there?
Have the States Ratify an amendment withdrawing the 16th amendment...
Maybe enact the http://fairtax.org (Federal sales tax) with the same
amendment that removes income tax. This will reduce the number of tax
crimes that people are in jails for. Then cut every single expenditure
of the government by 10%, and begin to draw down troops as needed from
around the world.
This tax policy will financially assault the drug dealers and hookers
and other underground economy's by forcing them to have to pay tax when
they spend their money, which will further reduce the benefit of dealing
in other illegal stuff. We are "right now" taking money from peoples
pay checks before they get them and at the same time we don't tax drug
dealers or hookers and illegals or others at all. Sales tax will also
encourage saving money rather than encouraging the leveraging of every
dime you can get like income tax does.
This will drive people in the underground economy to become part of the
real economy. It will stop most of the turf killings and end our
Immigration problems with illegals stealing identities since they will
be paying tax(as sales tax). Offer illegals low welfare and charge them
tax and they won't be so eager to come here and we won't need to chase
them......
End social security, grandfather it out of existence.
Pass an amendment to the constitution that makes all *laws and treaties*
have a seven year sunset clause for all laws and treaties, and it
requires that each law be voted by a separate roll call vote every four
years to continue to be maintained in our laws.
Pass another amendment creating term limits on congress so the House has
4 terms and the Senate has 2 terms, and add penalties for ignoring the
constitution when implementing policy and laws or for NOT implementing laws.
We need to quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
need to take away congress' ability to "regulate" businesses/people
using tax code. Government needs to spend 10% less every year until they
meet the income of the government. And we need to give up our roll as
the police man of the world, let them fight their own fights. We need
fewer people committing crimes, we need fewer police and prisons....this
drug and tax plans.... will reduce police and prison needs by at least
that 10% that this plan suggested cutting.
NO welfare to corporations, and cut welfare to people by 10% each year
until it is 10% of what it is today.
Any way you look at it, we're in DEEP for a long time.
--
tj Frazir
and put the north and south poles in the dark for a year .
co2 and mehane
kdt...@earthlink.net
Everyth...@Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
> On 12/30/2009 9:53 PM, I M @ good guy wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:33:52 -0800 (PST), windcatcher
> > <windca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Greed is a disease.
>
> Yes... a mental disease, greed is a neurosis that Liberals and
> Socialists have, they fear that someone will have more stuff than they
> have. This neurosis and fear of having "less" drives these
> Liberal-Socialists to "great pains" to try to avoid their fear.
>
> Liberal-Socialists go to the extreme of trying to force those with more
> to hand their property over to the neurotic "mentally unstable
> Liberal-Socialists" who can't and or won't work to achieve their own wealth.
>
> The resulting neurotic, dysfunctional humans are busy working for
> *mediocrity* of the entire Nation so that they can live without the fear
> of being victims of their neurosis(The fear of having less money than
> others).
>
> These GREEDY Liberals and Socialists are victims of their disorder so we
> shouldn't hate them, but pity them and their anti social behavior.
Here you are being condescending.
The proponents of AGW deserve every bit of hatred that the healthy
human can muster. Their disregard for human life with their insane
plans at impossible and entirely FUTILE emission reductions will be
viewed by history as compatible with the National Socialists, (Nazis),
of Germany, whether they are stopped before they do comparable damage
to the world or not.
The greed we are talking about here is pure embezzlement of public
funding by charlatan scientists, and the visions of the visionaries of
acheiving great profits to result from business transaction due to
governmental imposition of mandates in the energy and fuel sector.
To justify the personal aggrandizement, proponents lament their lame
decree that imposition of the carbon tax will create 'green jobs'.
But what is at stake is the criminilization of the emission of CO2.
This means 'regulation', which means 'application of laws', which
means 'enforcement', which means 'monetary fines', which means
eventual 'criminal penalties' and imprisionment if the 'tax' is
ignored or evaded.
This also means a governmental enforcement agency, which would be the
EPA. This agency would have access to all information about a company,
initially for even the accessment of a 'cap', and validation of
compliance. To imagine that these evaluations will always be honest
and correct is nonsense.
One should review what happened in the US under Prohibition. The
illegal alcohol sellers were probably the greatest proponents of the
enactment of the law, supplying the money for the passage of the
amendment to the constitution, which requires passage by the states.
The day the law went into effect, their trucks started rolling
bringing the 'moonshine' into the cities, which they continued to do.
The consumption of alcohol changed little.
The regulatory agencies intended to regulate the alcohol became
completely corrupt. Accepting bribes and demanding bribes. Whom they
decided to prosecute was merely and completely decided upon politics
and choice.
The scientists of the EPA are not concerned with valid science and
mathematics now. Anyone who presumes the criminiliztion of carbon
dioxide will in any way benefit the environment or the social
structure or economy of the US is terribly naive.
> Someone who thinks everyone is guaranteed an equal life is obviously NOT
> playing with a full deck. It is instead the reality that our
> Constitution has granted us equal opportunity under the Government to
> work for what ever life we want to create for ourselves.
The conservatives make the mistake of thinking that their monetary
status will always remain. They are entirely too complacent with the
movement of AGW to impose the carbon tax.
Reference to the application of cap and trade in the rest of the
world is nonsense, since the US is the last holdout to this insanity.
If the carbon tax is enacted in the US, the kooks will go wild, in
their insane obsession to control and detriment other people's lives.
Also the cap and trade program has been shown to be completely
ineffective in reducing emissions. It is merely a bunch of money
changing hands and the 'allowance taxes' which the governments enjoy
but which only by economic strangulation, reduce emissions.
The status that wealth brings now can easily disapear under the carbon
tax. Money buys nothing which is dissassociated with CO2. This tax can
be adjusted at the will of the EPA.
Wealth can be made to mean nothing if it involves carbon dioxide and
the hysterical need to save the planet. Obama already mixes the word,
'national security' in with the rest of his pack of lies about
anthropogenic global warming.
The wealthy cannot just dis the poor. The poor also have rights
stipulated by the constitution, which must always be upheld by the
wealthy,
Social Darwinism and genocide, whether direct genocide or indirect
genocide such as starvation, are not acceptable and are criminal.
>
> We need to quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
> need to take away congress' ability to "regulate"
businesses/people
What to do with all the 'scientists' who will be found guilty of
various crimes? Maybe just denote one of the Aleutian Islands to be
'Global Warming Kooks Gone Wild Island, Algore Edition'. and ship them
off to their 'COMMUNAL' paradise, free from any attachement to their
hated CO2.
KD
Beam Me Up Scotty
It's about spreading the wealth...
> The status that wealth brings now can easily disapear under the carbon
> tax. Money buys nothing which is dissassociated with CO2. This tax can
> be adjusted at the will of the EPA.
The main point is to have government decide who will be wealthy and who
won't. Socialists think government is fair and infallible.
> Wealth can be made to mean nothing if it involves carbon dioxide and
> the hysterical need to save the planet. Obama already mixes the word,
> 'national security' in with the rest of his pack of lies about
> anthropogenic global warming.
wealth will find a way around this, it's real purpose is to gain power.
The wealthy will bribe and subvert the government to their gain, and
all it has done is insert government as a new layer in the way of the
rich getting what they want, and that just means more money and more
power given to the people in Government.
> The wealthy cannot just dis the poor. The poor also have rights
> stipulated by the constitution, which must always be upheld by the
> wealthy,
It is supposed to be upheld by the people in Government but when
Government sleeps with the wealthy, Government people are the ones that
are dissing the poor and treating the poor as fodder.
> Social Darwinism and genocide, whether direct genocide or indirect
> genocide such as starvation, are not acceptable and are criminal.
Our problem is Government people, they are selling out. Social
Darwinism says the Government is committing suicide. The rich will
always be rich and the poor will always be there, what changes is the
Government. The Government by selling its self to the rich is fast
becoming worthless to most of the population. The Government people
would do well to stop the bidding to buy government, it will be their
epitaph.
>> We need to quit filling the jails with people over *social taboos* , we
>> need to take away congress' ability to "regulate"
> businesses/people
>
> What to do with all the 'scientists' who will be found guilty of
> various crimes? Maybe just denote one of the Aleutian Islands to be
> 'Global Warming Kooks Gone Wild Island, Algore Edition'. and ship them
> off to their 'COMMUNAL' paradise, free from any attachement to their
> hated CO2.
>
> KD
The Obama Socialist will send the intelligentsia to the Obama Gulags and
when the Constitution is rediscovered and Socialists run out of power,
all the "Scientists" will have been purged. That's how China did it,
and they are just now rediscovering Capitalism.... it may take us a 100
years to get back around full circle. Socialists need Scientists that
are aligned with their political aspirations. Which means they need
political party members and NOT scientists, so all the Scientists will
be superfluous and disposed of. All the Socialists need is
technologically adept party members.
--
kdt...@earthlink.net
> On Dec 30 2009, 10:25 pm, "kdth...@yahoo.com"
>
> > No studies of methane in ice layers can show any relation to methane
> > and effect upon temperature, and the EPA's ratings for various
> > greenhouse gases are purely theoretically derived from Hansen's
> > contributions to the IPCC. The EPA has no direct laboratory science
> > for their numbers. They are acting without scientific basis and are ILLEGAL.
>
> A simple means to prove that the concept of greenhouse gases was
> abandoned by real science and was not a part of theoretical science
> before the late 1960's is to review one of Hansen's own papers from
> 1967.http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1967/1967_Hansen_Matsushima.pdf
>
> At this time it had only been recently discovered that the surface of
> Venus was hoter than theoreticlly expected. Hansen and his co-author
> here try to prove theoretically that this is caused by dust particles
> in the atmosphere. They do the normal charlatan thing of
> complexitizing in barely understandable phrases so that no one can
> prove them wrong.
>
> However it is not accepted that the temperature of Venus is caused by
> these dust particles.
>
> Now, everyone is told that science knew all along that it is the
> special properties of the 'greenhouse gas', carbon dioxide, and that
> the formal scientific 'understanding' of this property of CO2 is so
> basic and foregone, that any laboratory establishment of this property
> is unneeded.
>
> Hansen mentions nowhere in this article the concept of CO2 being a
> greenhouse gas. This concept was not accepted by science at this time,
> which this PROVES. The concept of greenhouse gases was re-introduced
> to theoretical science somewhere about this time. Although first
> introduced in classical physics, modern science had discarded this
> concept since there exists absolutely no direct science in the
> laboratory to substantiate this postualted property.
>
> This article by Hansen, and all the complex computations are invalid
> and fabricated. This is just an expostulation of Hansen's drive to be
> something important regardless of the science he must falsify.
>
> Now, if one uses simple laboratory means to prove that CO2 does not
> absorb infrared inordinately, or to prove that the other gases which
> are not considered 'greenhouse gases', such as O2 and N2, also absorb
> and radiate in the infrared, the entire theoretical construct of AGW
> is proved invalid and fraud.
>
> And the EPA is proved a criminal enterprise for their attacks upon
> American citizens and American industry.
>
> And Hansen is PROVED to be the opportunistic CHARLATAN that he is.
kdt...@earthlink.net
>
> > And the EPA is proved a criminal enterprise for their attacks upon
> > American citizens and American industry.
>
> > And Hansen is PROVED to be the opportunistic CHARLATAN that he is.
>
> > "Twelve o'clock and all is clear,,, no ICEBERGS headed this way,
> > captain".
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahahahAHAHAHAHA
>
> > KD-
Attention passengers.
In consideration of the dark spirits associated with the clairvoyant
view of the devastating effects of humanity not committing the
communal suicide of draconian emissions reductions, and since Dr. Phil
was unavailable, we are happy to announce the installation of the
'Junior Sales', (the superstar from the TV show Hee Haw), hotline on
board the Ship of Fools.
Just pick up your cabin phone and dial, 'BR549' if you're feeling
panicked, hysterical, or widely disturbed about the prospect of global
warming and the need to take action to stop all that modern
civilization and cow farts that are just SCREWING UP YOUR WORLD.
Junior will be glad to listen to your lamentin and moanin and groanin.
Otherwise, enjoy your cruise.
KD
kdt...@earthlink.net
Another note.
The lyrics to the greenie weenie song can be found on the insert on
your dresser;
"doom, despair, and agony on me,,
deep dark depression excessive misery,,
if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all,,
doom despair, and agony on me,"
KD