REACTION TO IMPOSITION (SECURITY, SECURITY,SECURITY)
Alexander Abian
att: Sacha Blumen and Theresa Knott
Sacha Blumen <s...@maths.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
news:371EA3...@maths.uq.edu.au...
> Dear Abian,
>
> So animate and inanimate objects have feelings? How do you know that
> inanimate objects have feelings? Do you ask them?
Abian answers:
There is no need to ask. A mute and deaf person most probably
would show some reaction to some imposition implying that he has
feeling. A flower will react to imposition of a hostile intruder
implying that it has feeling. A bar of iron bent several times
will react by creating heat to burn the hands of the person who
bends it. A piece of fur rubbed by a rod will produce electrical
attraction to slow being bugged.
Theresa Knott also answers Sacha's question by saying:" Does an
ape have feelings? does a dog? does a worm? does a bacterium? does a
virus? does a molecule? How do you define the cut off point and how
do you know that the things above the cut-off have feelings but the
things below don't. After all you can't ask any of them"
I am sure that not only the violinist and the pianist while
playing, say, especially Beethoven's Kreutzer Sonata, feel the
emotional tumult, agitation and passion but the violin and the
piano themselves feel deeply the passion and rapture contained
in that Sonata.
What can be more indicative of having feelings than reacting
and resisting to imposition, invasion or intrusion or change ?
The mass itself, by being mass has the tendency of maintaining the
status quo and resisting the acceptance of change - just like
people resisting the acceptance of ideas contrary to the ones that
they cherish and have ? Having inertia is a sign of life, is
a sign of having feeling is a sign of trying to feel SECURE!
Even dead bodies have inertia and thus have feeling.
The whole Universe is built by the Void of Space trying to
dilute the intruding primeval Mass - The whole universe is a
passionate and tumultuous battle between the intruding mass and
the void of space which tries to dilute it and not allow the
concentrated presence of a threatening intruder. The gravitational
forces, the orbiting planets - the entire dynamism of Cosmos is an eternal
battle between the sucking the void of space and the reaction of the
mass not to be sucked in. It is a highly emotionally charged battle of
Cosmic proportions.
Animate or inanimate objects are made of the same stuff and the
paramount, penultimate action exhibited by them is to do whatever
possible TO FEEL SECURE - YES TO FEEL, TO FEEL and TO FEEL SECURE and
this applies to a stone, to an electron, to a proton and to a human
being.
With love and affection, Alexander Abian.
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ALTER EARTH'S ORBIT AND TILT TO STOP GLOBAL DISASTERS AND EPIDEMICS.
JOLT THE MOON TO JOLT THE EARTH INTO A SANER ORBIT.ALTER THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
REORBIT VENUS INTO A NEAR EARTH-LIKE ORBIT TO CREATE A BORN AGAIN EARTH(1990)
THERE WAS A BIG SUCK AND DILUTION OF PRIMEVAL MASS INTO THE VOID OF SPACE
Sacha Blumen
>
> --------
>
> att: Sacha Blumen and Theresa Knott
>
> Sacha Blumen <s...@maths.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
> news:371EA3...@maths.uq.edu.au...
>
> > Dear Abian,
> >
> > So animate and inanimate objects have feelings? How do you know that
> > inanimate objects have feelings? Do you ask them?
>
> Abian answers:
>
> There is no need to ask. A mute and deaf person most probably
> would show some reaction to some imposition implying that he has
> feeling. A flower will react to imposition of a hostile intruder
> implying that it has feeling. A bar of iron bent several times
> will react by creating heat to burn the hands of the person who
> bends it. A piece of fur rubbed by a rod will produce electrical
> attraction to slow being bugged.
> Theresa Knott also answers Sacha's question by saying:" Does an
> ape have feelings? does a dog? does a worm? does a bacterium? does a
> virus? does a molecule? How do you define the cut off point and how
> do you know that the things above the cut-off have feelings but the
> things below don't. After all you can't ask any of them"
To answer these questions you need to define what you mean by
'feeling'. So far I havn't seen any definition.
> I am sure that not only the violinist and the pianist while
> playing, say, especially Beethoven's Kreutzer Sonata, feel the
> emotional tumult, agitation and passion but the violin and the
> piano themselves feel deeply the passion and rapture contained
> in that Sonata.
When I've played some of the Beethoven's piano sonatas (eg no. 32) I can
imagine to some extent that the piano becomes part of the music - but to
say that the instrument feels the passion of the music as I do is absurd
- it is true that the piano reacts to my playing the sonata (you can
sometimes hear the stresses and strains throughout the instrument) but
to suggest an emotional reaction on the part of the instrument is quite
simply nonsensical. I believe that what you're describing is commonly
known in elementary psychology as 'projection' - you're projecting your
feelings onto something without yourself.
When you do that, you have to be careful lest you confuse elements of
yourself with elements of the 'outside' reality. That then leads to
discussing the boundary between ourselves and the outside world etc etc.
> What can be more indicative of having feelings than reacting
> and resisting to imposition, invasion or intrusion or change ?
Is this a question, or rhetoric?
> The mass itself, by being mass has the tendency of maintaining the
> status quo and resisting the acceptance of change - just like
> people resisting the acceptance of ideas contrary to the ones that
> they cherish and have ? Having inertia is a sign of life, is
> a sign of having feeling is a sign of trying to feel SECURE!
> Even dead bodies have inertia and thus have feeling.
>
> The whole Universe is built by the Void of Space trying to
> dilute the intruding primeval Mass - The whole universe is a
> passionate and tumultuous battle between the intruding mass and
> the void of space which tries to dilute it and not allow the
> concentrated presence of a threatening intruder. The gravitational
> forces, the orbiting planets - the entire dynamism of Cosmos is an eternal
> battle between the sucking the void of space and the reaction of the
> mass not to be sucked in. It is a highly emotionally charged battle of
> Cosmic proportions.
>
> Animate or inanimate objects are made of the same stuff and the
> paramount, penultimate action exhibited by them is to do whatever
> possible TO FEEL SECURE - YES TO FEEL, TO FEEL and TO FEEL SECURE and
> this applies to a stone, to an electron, to a proton and to a human
> being.
>
> With love and affection, Alexander Abian.
I love the language - the writing is beautiful - and I try to make sense
of it, and cannot. Beautiful writing in a scientific setting is fine,
provided you define your terms, which you have not.
lots of love (and fairy floss)
Sacha
Alexander Abian
>> Sacha Blumen <s...@maths.uq.edu.au> wrote in message
>> news:371EA3...@maths.uq.edu.au...
>>
>> Dear Abian,
>> <skip>
>
>To answer these questions you need to define what you mean by
>"feeling". So far I havn't seen any definition.
Sacha.
Abian answers:
To answer your question you need to define "definition" and
so far you have not defined "definition"
I am not trying to be frivolous. The words "feeling" and
"security" refer to such fundamental notions that they cannot be
satisfactorily defined in terms of other words. Because no matter
how I define them I will be using some other words and you may ask the
definition of those words and in this way ad infinitum,
When the President says "For our National SECURITY" ..... No
one asks "define SECURITY" and everyone feels the meaning of
"SECURITY". So, Sacha, do not expect from me a definition of
"feeling" or "security" since I will ask you again to define "definition".
Sacha continues:
>When I've played some of the Beethoven's piano sonatas (eg no. 32) I can
>imagine to some extent that the piano becomes part of the music - but to
>say that the instrument feels the passion of the music, as I do is absurd
Abian answers:
It is not absurd. It requires a deeper understanding of how objects
react to spine shivering arrangements of sounds, melodies and harmonies.
In Variation 4 of Beethoven's pianosonata No.32 in C minor, precisely
in measures 18 to 25 of Var.4 the spine shivering dissonances of
bc-ac, bc-ac ,..., and then cd-bd, cd-bd, ... undoubtedly make the
spine of the strings, the spine of the key board, the spine of the
entire piano shiver with tumultuous emotions and much stronger and
much deeper than the spines of many of the performing pianists.
Incidently regardless of the fact that a pianissimo is prescribed
in playing these mysterious dissonances, they naturally suggest and
cry for being performed with defiance and with growing recalcitrance.
Beethoven himself had said: Change the nuances according to your
mood.
Sacha continues:
>............... I believe that what you're describing is commonly
>known in elementary psychology as 'projection' - you're projecting your
>feelings onto something without yourself.
>
Abian answers:
I believe that what you're describing is projecting your INSECURITY.
In fact your phrase "commonly known in elementary psychology" is meant
to put me down, to offend me with insolence to denigrate me compared
to yourself who knows "advance psychology". You acted as I explained
over and over again, as everyone does, i.e., everything to gain a feeling
of security. Naturally I am doing that too and I am telling you that
what you are doing is projecting your INSECURITY the way children do in
kindergarten - to insult each other in order to feel secure. In a way
I am doing the same thing as children do! Craving to gain a feeling
of security is in us from childhood and I don't think that the ways and
methods of gaining a feeling of security are different in case of
children or in case of the adults. In matters of SECURITY everyone
that I know, including myself, of course, act as children do!
Sacha continues:
>>Abian says:
>> What can be more indicative of having feelings than reacting
>> and resisting to imposition, invasion or intrusion or change ?
>
>Is this a question, or rhetoric?
Abian answers:
Both and without the question mark IT IS THE TRUTH!
>
>> Abian continues:
>>
>> The whole Universe is built by the Void of Space trying to
>> dilute the intruding primeval Mass - The whole universe is a
>> passionate and tumultuous battle between the intruding mass and
>> .....................................
>> .......................
>> Animate or inanimate objects are made of the same stuff and the
>> paramount, penultimate action exhibited by them is to do whatever
>> possible TO FEEL SECURE - YES TO FEEL, TO FEEL and TO FEEL SECURE and
>> this applies to a stone, to an electron, to a proton and to a human
>> being.
>>
Sacha comments:
>I love the language - the writing is beautiful - and I try to make sense
>of it, and cannot. Beautiful writing in a scientific setting is fine,
>provided you define your terms, which you have not.
>
Abian answers:
No, provided you define "sense", "definition" and "terms" which you
have not!
With love and affection, Alexander Abian
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