Two times

BURT

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Mar 12, 2010, 12:14:42 AM3/12/10

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Space flow gamma is one rate in the universe. Energy flow gamma is the
other. There are two times that slow down and are together as one flow
and direction over energy. This is the imaterial aether flow with
energy that we call time.

Mitch Raemsch

Frisbieinstein

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Mar 12, 2010, 6:22:45 AM3/12/10

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Sounds like bullshit.

BURT

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Mar 12, 2010, 8:00:02 PM3/12/10

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Speed and gravity strength sets the two rates.

Two times is the smartest concept.

Time aether flows over matter and light.

Mitch Raemsch

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 15, 2010, 9:17:15 PM3/15/10

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If people keep two timing you, why don't you associate with a better
crowd?

BURT

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Mar 15, 2010, 10:58:10 PM3/15/10

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Two aether rate flow over matter is smartest.

Mitch Raemsch

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 16, 2010, 1:11:11 AM3/16/10

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Prove it.

Thomas Heger

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Mar 18, 2010, 2:08:04 PM3/18/10

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BURT schrieb:

Hi Mitch

I recommend A.F. Mayer
http://www.jaypritzker.org/pages/GetBook.html

"Geometry of Time"

this is a VERY good book.

TH

BURT

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Mar 18, 2010, 2:31:17 PM3/18/10

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Stephen Hawking seems to think so. He has dealt with two times for a
while.

Mitch Raemsch

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 20, 2010, 8:46:25 AM3/20/10

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So, how does he ever make appointments on time? Or on two times, I
should say.

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 20, 2010, 10:56:42 AM3/20/10

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And how do you know it's really him talking? I mean, somebody could
have loaded a really powerful AI into that speech synthesizer of his
and it would be it and not him. Come to think of it, with all the
wild non-constructive speculation he's come out with over the years,
they may very well be the case.

BURT

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Mar 20, 2010, 3:42:11 PM3/20/10

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He coordinates two times.

Mitch Raemsch

spudnik

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Mar 20, 2010, 3:47:29 PM3/20/10

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Sir Stephen is in the Star Trek Sci-Trinity,
the secular church of England --
get ye to the holodeck & relive "theirstory!"

> He coordinates two times.

thus:
it is used in electronics:
all media & all circuits (taken as a whole) have permitivity and
permeability. it's fun to study those in "dimensional analysis," but
I only say that, because of the predominating gobbledy-gook
of "timespace," which is literally nothing but a phase space --
another thing, that we use in electronics.

it should be theoretically possible to measure the p&p
of different degrees of vacuum, but it must be difficult, and
it may not have been done.

look on Al's website; he has one cool experiment,
that was done in his pool, I think!

thus:
you mean, just like ordinary matter (ionized hydrogen and
dihydrogen e.g., predominantly between stars and
between galaxies; much more of the latter,
which is a recent finding).
> Aether Displacement does not requiring a flowing aether.

thus:
use L'Hopital's calculus (by Bernoulli) to prove that
some divergent sequence has a rational limit.

thus:
I didn't quite grok the whole generating process, but
it needs a twee more meta-analysis of Collatz!
> > Example. Be N =5000. Using de integers from 5 to 5000 as seeds,
> > we obtain 7183 different numbers < 10000. Then R = 7173 / 10000 =
> > 0.7183.

thus:
"120 New Glaciers Dyscovered on Continental Divide" (October 2001,
Sunday LATimes, near the back of the A section, just the top 1/5
of the page). well, yes, to some extent, you do have
to question the authority bumperstickers; that is to say,
the official interpretation of what ever dataset. then,
you have to question the data, two, to some degree.
that's what i like about the Truthers;
they find so many anomalies that have not
been explained by the Commission e.g. But, on the other hand,
neither have they (what melted the cars in the street, and
how in Hell was there molten metal underneath the rubble,
three *weeks* later?... e.g.).
and for _o_'s sake, please,
get rid of the chemtrail jokers (in the '70s and '80s,
they may have been looking *down* at funny white trails,
on the table-top !-)

thus quoth:
Should 9-11 truth Use Official Information Without Question?

thus:
look at Cahill's graph of these "zero" results, or
continue to insist on Einsteinmania *Xor* aether.
(I do not say any thing of such, or assume that
it is implied by the results!)

thus:
"sound particles" are known as "phonons," but
this is clearly a "quantization"
of sound that is not striclty analagous to the usual one
that is applied to the photoelectrical dffect -- the only aspect
of light that might seem corpuscular -- and it does not have to,

thus:
what a crock; there is *nothing* about light (or,
one simple thing) that is pertinent to a corpuscular theory;
Young et al completely rid us of that theory,
which also had that denser media had faster light).
maybe it is an unconsidered acceptance that "quantum" means
"particle,"
your other Einstein's rock from the train; gah! come on:
there are no photons, there are no Rocks of Light.

--les OEuvres!
http://wlym.com

--Light: A History!
http://wlym.com

spudnik

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Mar 20, 2010, 3:56:56 PM3/20/10

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what in Hell is "relativistic temporal effect?..." NB:
"need 4 semesters college physics to 'get it'."

Death to the lightcone -- long-live the great geometer,
Minkowski!

> I recommend A.F. Mayerhttp://www.jaypritzker.org/pages/GetBook.html
> "Geometry of Time"

thus:

> He coordinates two times.

your other Einstein's rock from the train; gah!... come on:

spudnik

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Mar 20, 2010, 4:57:12 PM3/20/10

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I inloaded hi book; he appears to be a "minkowski metric reifier,"
which seems to be a conspiracy of numbertheorists,
to keep the physicists from looking at all
of his other, good, stuff. however, I like this caption:
Although Einstein was the greatest genius of the twentieth century,
many of his groundbreaking discoveries were blighted by mistakes,
ranging from serious errors in mathematics to bad misconceptions in
physics and failures to grasp the subtleties of his own creations.
– Publisher’s synopsis from the front jacket cover of:
Hans C. Ohanian, Einstein’s Mistakes: The Human Failings of Genius,
(W. W. Norton & Co., New York, 2008).
Hans Ohanian is the author of several physics textbooks.

thus:
Wells, the original Fabian Socialist mind****er. time is a scalar,
in the quaternionic treatment of special relativity;
the other three dimensions are i, j, k. properly speaking,
it is a homogenous treatment of spacial dynamics.

> Time is not a vector, it has no additive inverse.
> No physics problems are solved with sci-fi by failed mathematicians.
> 'Really, this is what is meant by the Fourth Dimension, though some people
> who talk about the Fourth Dimension do not know they mean it. It is only
> another way of looking at Time. There is no difference between Time and any
> of the three dimensions of Space except that our consciousness moves along
> with it.' -- Herbert George Wells - "The Time Machine" - 1895.

thus:
if everything were expanding, instead of "accelerating
away from us -- cancel le programme d'espace, please -- then
light would still be the same. (and,
there are no "rocks o'light," as proved conclusively
by Young, 100 years after Newton's "theory."

thus:
I'm an idiot. what's funny is that
I attended the Ninth Nonlinear Science Conference at UCLA,
where the keynoter told the story of how,
Newton stole the inverse second-power law
(the algebraization of Kepler's orbital constraints).

thus:
most of the interpretation of the EPR "paradox" results,
a l'Alain Aspect et al, is due to the ideal of a photon,
in assinging all of the God-am energy of the wave-front
as a "mass" (electron-voltage, say) of a particle, whence
the wave-energy was somehow "caught" by the photo-
eletrical device. here are two ways to get over this: a)
just consider the practice of audio quantization, the phonon; b)
show how the photoelectrical device is actually tuned
to absorb a particular frequency of light.
so, is the "phonon" just one cycle of the period
of the sound, and like-wise, is the photon just
one cycle of the frequency?

thus:
a new gedanken experiment is born -- if only
he could configure what in Hell he meant!
time to hit the Shakespeare, dood -- and
I don't mean, your monkeys' Sonnet.
> When light comes out of a radiating electric particle what size of
> wave is it?

thus:
and of course, Fermat is not known to have made any
other mistake.
> that is, he corrected an error in the marginal statemnt,
> thus also ruling-out all powers of two, as exponential
> (from the lemma that you only need to work the prime powers).

thus:
the standard model is wrong about, What?... so, now,
you agree that There Are No Photons?
if there is no vacuum, then what is the need
for an aether -- can you justify any
of this e-palimpsest?

thus:

what in Hell is "relativistic temporal effect?..." NB:
"need 4 semesters college physics to 'get it'."
Death to the lightcone -- long-live the great geometer,
Minkowski!

> http://jaypritzker.org/pages/GetBook.html "Geometry of Time"

thus:
Sir Stephen is in the Star Trek Sci-Trinity,
the secular church of England --
get ye to the holodeck & "relive theirstory!"

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Mar 20, 2010, 5:44:24 PM3/20/10

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the book of Mayer is an interestingly mixed bag:
Appendix G. 6dF SURVEY BLUESHIFTS
The 6dF Galaxy Survey was completed on 1 April 2009 with its Final
Data Release (DR3).280, 281 It was conducted at the Anglo-Australian
Observatory and includes over 110,000 “unique and reliable” spectra.
Included in these galaxy spectra are 142 galaxies with measured
spectra (z ≤ 0) representing blueshifts. The following graphs show 116
of these for (-0.0005 ≤ z ≤ 0), with the the fourth graph (lower
right) showing the 16 main outliers (z < -0.0005). An additional 10
extreme outliers in the data are not shown. A cosmological redshift
that is a relativistic temporal effect masks galaxy Doppler blueshifts
that are smaller in magnitude than the local cosmological redshift.
Consequently, a significant number of galaxies with Doppler velocity
blueshifts must exist in the set of galaxies with low measured
redshifts. Many galaxy blueshifts similar to those shown below must
exist in the SDSS galaxy spectroscopy data, but they cannot be
extracted from the SDSS DR7 database. This is because the
spectroscopic data for (| z | < 0.001) includes many thousands of
double stars oddly misidentified (tagged) as galaxies from which real
galaxies cannot be distinguished with a database query. The
observation of hundreds of galaxy blueshifts in all directions
relative to the Milky Way is inconsistent with the standard
cosmological model, yet it is consistent with the new “Minkowski–de
Sitter–Riemann” cosmological model proposed herein.

thus:
a.k.a. the expanding wavefront of light,
in the other three dimensions. just goes to show,
that even a clock is correct, once or twice a day.

> The universe is extened in the round surface of the 4th dimension.

thus:
I inloaded his book; he appears to be a "minkowski metric reifier,"

which seems to be a conspiracy of numbertheorists,
to keep the physicists from looking at all
of his other, good, stuff. however, I like this caption:
Although Einstein was the greatest genius of the twentieth century,
many of his groundbreaking discoveries were blighted by mistakes,
ranging from serious errors in mathematics to bad misconceptions in
physics and failures to grasp the subtleties of his own creations.
– Publisher’s synopsis from the front jacket cover of:
Hans C. Ohanian, Einstein’s Mistakes: The Human Failings of Genius,
(W. W. Norton & Co., New York, 2008).
Hans Ohanian is the author of several physics textbooks.

thus:
Wells, the original Fabian Socialist mind****er. time is a scalar,
in the quaternionic treatment of special relativity;
the other three dimensions are i, j, k. properly speaking,
it is a homogenous treatment of spacial dynamics.

> Time is not a vector, it has no additive inverse.

--les OEuvres!

BURT

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Mar 20, 2010, 5:51:58 PM3/20/10

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> --les OEuvres!http://wlym.com
>
> --Light: A History!http://wlym.com

What wave of light electric or magnetic would the photon be in?

Mitch Raemsch

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 21, 2010, 10:19:57 AM3/21/10

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You fill out my census,
Like a night in a forest....

BURT

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Mar 22, 2010, 1:04:58 PM3/22/10

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there is no "rock o'light," dumbass; also,
there's no aether. so, what is "left?"

> > A baby comes from its mothers body. What wave is the photon in? the
> > electric or its magnetic light wave?

thus:
like I said, I'm a moron. the funny thing is,
I attended the Ninth Annual Nonlinear Science Conf., at UCLA,
where the keynoter showed how Newton stole the "law"
of gravitation from Hooke ... academic, if you cannot derive it,
yourself, from Kepler's orbital constraints, and Huyghen's math.

England lagged a hundred years in the application
of "the" calculus to physics, because of the potty-
mouthed Royal Society's slander against Leibniz.

thus:
wait a second ... there is no empty space, whatever;
as soon as you mumble, "aether it is,"
you have added your last dying breath
to the relative vacuum that was already there. just because
Pascal thought that it was perfect, the moment that
he wrote his experiment "up," proves nothing.

Maxwell's daemon has no box that is good enough
to defeat Heisenberg's principle!

> > No, I did not say that. I said empty space has properties, even where
> > it has no matter in it, which is the meaning of "empty space".

thus:
I like the acronym, ANTHROPOSCENIUM. now,
most thumbnail dyscussions of "urban heat islands" are too academic,
and
almost totally off of the mark; the UNIPCC *says* that
it has some sort of fudge-factor to take them into account
-- such as they believe them to be -- but
this is generally not apparent in any particular "journal."

> Global cooling, January 2002 to May 2008
> http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/McL...
> 1979 to 2010
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/02/january-2010-uah-global-temperatu...

BURT

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Mar 23, 2010, 3:26:51 PM3/23/10

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But you have no answer.
There is no such thing as a stupid question. Einstein questioned his
photon.

The light particle must be in either one of the EM waves. So where is
it?

Mitch Raemsch

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 23, 2010, 8:02:19 PM3/23/10

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Any little 4-year-old can ask questions which will confound anybody.
So keep asking, forever. Who cares?

BURT

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Asking the right question is what it is all about.

"The problem in physics is to find the problem." Richard Feynman

Light is two waves at right angles. Where is the particle?

Mitch Raemsch

Don Stockbauer

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Mar 23, 2010, 8:08:10 PM3/23/10

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On Mar 23, 7:02 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 23, 2:26 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Mar 22, 1:23 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 21, 9:54 pm, BURT <macromi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Light is a dual Unified electric and magnetic waves force.
>
> > > > > > Which wave is the particle in?
>
> > > > > When a couple has a child, which one is the parent?
>
> > > > A baby comes from its mothers body. What wave is the photon in? the
> > > > electric or its magnetic light wave?
>
> > > You ask stupid questions for attention, Mitch, you'll get stupid
> > > answers, to infinity.
>
> > But you have no answer.
> > There is no such thing as a stupid question. Einstein questioned his
> > photon.
>
> > The light particle must be in either one of the EM waves. So where is
> > it?
>
> Any little 4-year-old can ask questions which will confound anybody.
> So keep asking, forever. Who cares?

Here's one you can keep asking over and over and over, What lies
beyond the cosmological event horizon?

BURT

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I am not here to play.

There is one higther spatial dimension that is bigger than the 3D
universe alone.