Hawking won't get his way in the world

[james thomas]

There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

[Doc Smartass]

james thomas <tom32...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8a0c30d0-ffea-4660-
bedc-0f2...@x30g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

That means you won't, either.

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Aimin' to Misbehave aa # 1939

Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/

Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/

Tea Parties are for little kids.

[John Baker]

And Hawking should care about the opinions of an anonymous Usenet
troll with the IQ of a rutagaba why, exactly?

[The Starmaker]

james thomas wrote:
>
> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

Stephen Hawking is just a chemical scum on the surface of the earth.

[raven1]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
<tom32...@gmail.com> wrote:

What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
awareness of science (and ALS)?

[james thomas]

On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>

> <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
> awareness of science (and ALS)?

I know what he is fighting against.
"We don't need God."

He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.
No Hawking is a dangerous indiviual who has no respect for what is
respectable in religion.
He is an intimidator in the world of science. And as such I don't want
to have much to do with him.

James

[james thomas]

Hawking won't have his way in the world.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 17, 12:38 am, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

Dude, a little less coffee in your bourbon...

[panamfloyd@hotmail.com rade]

On Nov 17, 5:19 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>
> > <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> > What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
> > awareness of science (and ALS)?
>
> I know what he is fighting against.
> "We don't need God."
>
> He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.

I think he's perfectly capable of understanding that you can't use
reason to change a belief people hold for emotional purposes. He's
also capable of understanding that there is no reason to allow such
people to restrict what can be learned about the universe.

> No Hawking is a dangerous indiviual who has no respect for what is
> respectable in religion.

And what, pray tell, would *that* be? Other than some pretty music,
and stunning architecture..I don't see much.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

[Conan the bacterium]

On Nov 17, 3:19 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>
> > <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> > What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
> > awareness of science (and ALS)?
>

<>

> I know what he is fighting against.
> "We don't need God."

In other words, physics is capable of explaining
the appearance universe.

That's hardly a crusade to snatch other
people's religious beliefs from them.

> He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.

And I don't see him trying to.

He offered his opinion on a matter of science, that's all.
But you act as he is mounting a world-wide campaign,
steeped in steely resolve to smash religion forever.

A bit of an over-reaction, wouldn't you say?


conan

[Conan the bacterium]

Just like the rest of us, eh?

(only a lot brighter. not to mention more
courageous)


conan

[Budikka666]

On Nov 16, 11:38 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

Given that organized religion is on its slow way out the door, you're
quite obviously wrong.

Budikka

[The Starmaker]

Conan the bacterium wrote:
>
> On Nov 17, 11:14 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > james thomas wrote:
> >
> > > There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > > and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
> >
>
> <>
>
> > Stephen Hawking is just a chemical scum on the surface of the earth.
>
> Just like the rest of us, eh?

I cannot argue with..."eh".

>
> (only a lot brighter.

"brighter"? The brightest light on the chandlier doesn't fit..it needs
to be removed.

> not to mention more
> courageous)

Couragerous? I'll throw him down the stairs anytime..
people in wheel chairs take up four to six seats on the bus..

Bright people are a cancer in this world.

>
> conan


The Starmaker

[james thomas]

Hawking won't have his way all of the way. This is due to hypocritic
religion that can win. There are right people in science and religion
that won't go over to extermism. These are the valuable people from
both sides.

Mitchell Raemsch

[Mike Lovell]

His positive impact on humanity can be compared to yours, if you
multiply yours about a billion times.

--
Jews, Christians & Muslims
The content of your posts will show how much you
really believe God is looking over your shoulder

[Mike Lovell]

On 2011-11-18, The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> [...]

> Couragerous? I'll throw him down the stairs anytime..
> people in wheel chairs take up four to six seats on the bus..

Certainly not courageous throwing a disabled person down some stairs
that's for sure! :-)

Bit cowardly.

> Bright people are a cancer in this world.

In that case, glad to see you're at least "all clear" on the cancer front.

[alie...@gmail.com]

On Nov 16, 9:38 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

You religious idiots crack me up.

You claim that your religions preach "truth" but they all preach
*different* things they claim as truth.

Worse, none of the "truths" they preach are testable. You either
accept them at face value or not. Then, you get to feel superior to
the *other* religions which to you obviously preach *false* truths".
Of course adherents of the other religions do the same to you...

What really pisses you off about Hawking is that what he says *is*
testable. Anything he says is either true or false in the only way
that matters; either it matches what Reality does, or it doesn't.

None of your "truths" have anything to do with reality.

Why do religious idiots like you bother posting to science groups?
So you can try to "win a war against the beliefs of others"?

You will fail. The "beliefs" of science have evidence to back them
up.

Yours don't.


Mark L. Fergerson

[Smiler]

Thanks for admitting that your IQ is less than room temperature...in
Centigrade.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[JohnN]

Please reread and then rewrite this to make sense.

JohnN

[james thomas]

> JohnN- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry, Hypocritic religion can't win all of the way.
Just like wrong science can't.

[Thomas Heger]

Am 18.11.2011 05:45, schrieb james thomas:
> On Nov 17, 6:37 pm, JohnN<jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 8:32 pm, james thomas<tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 17, 3:39 pm, Budikka666<budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Nov 16, 11:38 pm, james thomas<tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
>>>>> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>>
>>>> Given that organized religion is on its slow way out the door, you're
>>>> quite obviously wrong.
>>
>>>> Budikka
>>
>>> Hawking won't have his way all of the way. This is due to hypocritic
>>> religion that can win. There are right people in science and religion
>>> that won't go over to extermism. These are the valuable people from
>>> both sides.
>>

I have a very interesting 'theory' about Stephan Hawking.

There is something odd with his disease. (Usually people with ALS die
sooner. )
Maybe he has no ALS, but is secretly (and long term) sedated, hence
cannot move, but is more or less concious.

Then someone uses remote-control technology to maneuver his wheel-chair
around and operate his speech synthesiser.

This is used to spread disinformation and create a trusted source for
fraudulent science.

(Disclaimer: this is *just a weird idea'. )


TH

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 17, 3:19 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>
> > <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> > What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
> > awareness of science (and ALS)?
>
> I know what he is fighting against.
> "We don't need God."
>
> He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.

Yet you seem to be doing it very enthusiastically right here in this
thread!

> No Hawking is a dangerous indiviual who has no respect for what is
> respectable in religion.

Stephen Hawking, "dangerous"? Please.

> He is an intimidator in the world of science.

What do you mean "an intimidator"? I don't know of any scientists who
are intimidated by Hawking, whatever else they may think about him.

> And as such I don't want to have much to do with him.

And I'm sure Hawking cries himself to sleep every single night,
knowing that.

@@

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[brady r]

On Nov 18, 1:28 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 3:19 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>
> > > <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > > >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> > > What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
> > > awareness of science (and ALS)?
>
> > I know what he is fighting against.
> > "We don't need God."
>
> > He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.
>
> Yet you seem to be doing it very enthusiastically right here in this
> thread!
>
> > No Hawking is a dangerous indiviual who has no respect for what is
> > respectable in religion.
>
> Stephen Hawking, "dangerous"?  Please.
>

<>

> > He is an intimidator in the world of science.

.
> What do you mean "an intimidator"?  I don't know of any scientists who
> are intimidated by Hawking, whatever else they may think about him.

Hey, remember you're in a group where it was once
claimed by someone whose name I won't mention (Maddy)
that when Sir Karl Popper changed his views on
evolution, it must have been because he was bribed,
threatened, or coerced.

brady

[John Baker]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:43:02 -0800, The Starmaker

Well, it's plain you'll never be part of *that* problem...


>
>>
>> conan
>
>
>The Starmaker

[John Baker]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:19:41 -0800 (PST), james thomas
<tom32...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>>
>> <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
>> >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>>
>> What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
>> awareness of science (and ALS)?
>
>I know what he is fighting against.
>"We don't need God."
>
>He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.

Son, for you to call Hawking stupid must surely be the very heart and
soul of irony.

>No Hawking is a dangerous indiviual who has no respect for what is
>respectable in religion.

An imaginary friend for adults hardly merits any respect.

>He is an intimidator in the world of science. And as such I don't want
>to have much to do with him.

I'm sure the feeling would be mutual - if Hawking had any idea you
even exist.

>
>James

[JohnN]

Thank you.

Religion is kept in check in the USA by the Constitution and the
efforts of many rational people. Unfortunately there are lots of
irrational people who bred more like themselves, so its a never ending
battle.

Wrong science (fraud?) has a very short shelf life and when detected
gets the boot fast. Science just keeps getting better and better with
time.

JohnN

[John Baker]

So tell us, Mr. Two-Time Nobel Laureate. What is "wrong science?"

Oh, and Mitch .. can the nym shifting. People who've killfiled you did
so for a reason.

[The Starmaker]

Smiler wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:43:02 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
>
> > Conan the bacterium wrote:
> >>
> >> On Nov 17, 11:14 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> > james thomas wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> >> > > and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Stephen Hawking is just a chemical scum on the surface of the earth.
> >>
> >> Just like the rest of us, eh?
> >
> > I cannot argue with..."eh".
> >
> >>
> >> (only a lot brighter.
> >
> > "brighter"? The brightest light on the chandlier doesn't fit..it needs
> > to be removed.
> >
> >> not to mention more
> >> courageous)
> >
> > Couragerous? I'll throw him down the stairs anytime..
> > people in wheel chairs take up four to six seats on the bus..
> >
> > Bright people are a cancer in this world.
> >
>
> Thanks for admitting that your IQ is less than room temperature...in
> Centigrade.

I just don't understand how the word 'high IQ' got associated with the word "bright"?

It's some kind of...conspiracy.

But you're not going to fool me...

It's a trick, a con game.

There is nothing 'luminance' about high IQ..do you glow in the dark????

Give me a break...that's sooooo stupid.

The Starmaker


Did you see Richard Dawkins new book for kids...The God Delusion for children..(i forget the title)
Camel cigareetes should have sponcered him..put a camel in the back cover.

[Conan the bacterium]

A man despised by Christians, Muslims, and Hindus alike, merely
for putting words on paper, has to be doing something right.

Think of him as the Great Ecuminicator.


conan

[The Starmaker]

The only thing he is doing right is selling pot to kids...you take a
puff...and God disappears.

[John Baker]

Yep. Couldn't possibly be because he learned something about it he
didn't know before which caused him to rethink his position. <G>

Creationists will never understand how a person could change his
opinion based on new information. They think they already have the
only answer anyone should ever need.

[james thomas]

On Nov 18, 9:13 am, JohnN <jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 11:45 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 6:37 pm, JohnN <jnorri...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 17, 8:32 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 17, 3:39 pm, Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 16, 11:38 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > > > > > and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> > > > > Given that organized religion is on its slow way out the door, you're
> > > > > quite obviously wrong.
>
> > > > > Budikka
>
> > > > Hawking won't have his way all of the way. This is due to hypocritic
> > > > religion that can win. There are right people in science and religion
> > > > that won't go over to extermism. These are the valuable people from
> > > > both sides.
>
> > > > Mitchell Raemsch
>
> > > Please reread and then rewrite this to make sense.
>
> > > JohnN- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Sorry, Hypocritic religion can't win all of the way.
> > Just like wrong science can't.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Religion is kept in check in the USA by the Constitution

And there should be seperation of atheism and state.

James

[Mike Lovell]

On 2011-11-18, james thomas <tom32...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Religion is kept in check in the USA by the Constitution
>
> And there should be seperation of atheism and state.

Atheism isn't a religion,

There's already protections against state religions,
the First Amendment.

[The Starmaker]

Socrates was charged with "corrupting the young".

He got the death penalty for it....
they took his bright lights out.

Those days, they knew what to do with guys like yous...

Richard Dawkins is trying to "corrupting the young"..with..God Delusion
books for children.

Death penalty sounds like a good idea still...


The Starmaker


If you want people to apply for jobs requiring high IQ, produce more
children...create a majoriy
race of high IQ people...it will be then.. the end of the human race.

[alie...@gmail.com]

Thank you for publicly admitting that you promote stupidity.

I am not surprised.


Mark L. Fergerson

[Yap]

On Nov 18, 6:22 am, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 17, 2:19 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2:13 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:38:58 -0800 (PST), james thomas
>

> > > <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > > >and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>

> > > What exactly do you think Hawking is fighting for, other than public
> > > awareness of science (and ALS)?
>
> > I know what he is fighting against.
> > "We don't need God."
>
> > He is too stupid to see you cannot argue other people's beliefs.

> > No Hawking is a dangerous indiviual who has no respect for what is
> > respectable in religion.

> > He is an intimidator in the world of science. And as such I don't want

> > to have much to do with him.
>

> > James
>
> Hawking won't have his way in the world.

His words can influence the minds of people towards the right path.
Religion is merely trying to suck people, nothing else.

[Yap]

On Nov 17, 1:38 pm, james thomas <tom321ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

Religion and their beliefs are plainly fantasies.
They suck the energies and priorities of people in this world and they
harbor evil intentions.

Hawking and all righteous people are against superstition....and that
is not war, it is a noble move.

[Yap]

On Nov 19, 1:57 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Smiler wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:43:02 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
>
> > > Conan the bacterium wrote:
>
> > >> On Nov 17, 11:14 am, The Starmaker <starma...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >> > james thomas wrote:
>
> > >> > > There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others. Hawking
> > >> > > and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.
>
> > >> > Stephen Hawking is just a chemical scum on the surface of the earth.
>
> > >> Just like the rest of us, eh?
>
> > > I cannot argue with..."eh".
>
> > >> (only a lot brighter.
>
> > > "brighter"? The brightest light on the chandlier doesn't fit..it needs
> > > to be removed.
>
> > >>  not to mention more
> > >> courageous)
>
> > > Couragerous? I'll throw him down the stairs anytime..
> > > people in wheel chairs take up four to six seats on the bus..
>
> > > Bright people are a cancer in this world.
>
> > Thanks for admitting that your IQ is less than room temperature...in
> > Centigrade.
>
> I just don't understand how the word 'high IQ' got associated with the word "bright"?

There must be a link, somehow.

>
> It's some kind of...conspiracy.

It is a kind of ...common sense.

>
> But you're not going to fool me...

Well, you can invent another system....but so far, there is none.

>
> It's a trick, a con game.

The trick and con game are all in the scripture, you should know if
you have the required IQ.

>
> There is nothing 'luminance' about high IQ..do you glow in the dark????

It doesn't, but brightest person can be spotted in the crowd. Not you
though !

>
> Give me a break...that's sooooo stupid.

You want a break for what?

[Yap]

That was the result of human intolerance, when new ideas could not be
accepted by the tyrants.
What happen in modern days when new software is invented to link
people?

>
> He got the death penalty for it....
> they took his bright lights out.

So are the ruling class in the current ARAB world.

>
> Those days, they knew what to do with guys like yous...

We only saw the controlled freaks in those days....and they could not
survive nowadays.

>
> Richard Dawkins is trying to "corrupting the young"..with..God Delusion
> books for children.

It should be Pixie Delusion......both god and pixie are same.

>
> Death penalty sounds like a good idea still...

So, you still prefer those slavery, crusading wars, inquisitions,
witch burning........?

[Yap]

You mean you are not on pot, so the pixie appears?
That is not the real world, may be billions of light years away?

[Lars Kecke]

On 11/17/2011 06:38 AM, james thomas wrote:
> There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others.

Of course there is. Otherwise people still wouldn't follow basic hygiene
rules but their old superstitions.

> Hawking
> and his ilk will not get their way. Nobody does.

Most people do. If you don't, you should consider changing your occupation.

Lars

[Androcles]

"Lars Kecke" <lars...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9j4di9...@mid.individual.net...

| On 11/17/2011 06:38 AM, james thomas wrote:
| > There is no way to win a war against the beliefs of others.
|
| Of course there is.

Of course there isn't, you've just refused to change your belief.

[The Starmaker]

The one that is doing all the yapping..probably talking about God and religion...

I find it strange...
some might consider Richard Dawkinks to be an atheist...but he sure
talks a lot about religion and God...
I think Richard Dawkins is *obsessed* with God.
He puts the word 'GOD' on the cover of his books in one form or another..

The God Delusion --- He put it right in the middle

The Greatest Show on Earth --- GOD is Great...?

Why We Believe in God --- He just did the 'foreword' but he couldn't resist it! (He's obsessed with God)

How about this title? The Blind Watchmaker

That title has the word "GOD" all over it!!! Watcher maker is God, and Blind is Delusion.

Don't tell me Richard Dawkins is an atheist, he's toooo religious!

Godless: -- another 'foreword' inserted by him...man this guy is giving me the creeps!!!!

River out of Eden?

A Devil's Chaplain?

I'm betting Richard Dawkins has a cross tatoo on his backside where girls usually put a tatoo...

God, the Devil, and Darwin: A Critique of Intelligent Design Theory ? another 'foreword insert!

If I write a book and put GOD on the cover, I can get Richard Dawkins to do a foreword!!!!

Richard Dawkins has the 'hotts' for God!


ob·ses·sion

noun /?b?seSH?n/
obsessions, plural

The state of being obsessed with someone or something
- she cared for him with a devotion bordering on obsession

An idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind
- he was in the grip of an obsession he was powerless to resist


an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone



Don't tell me Richard Dawkins is an athiest....he's a closet Christian.

He talks more about God than all the TV evanglist put together!!!



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Hawking is an ugly person.