China Psychic Research Hard Scientific Data
Q-on
The following are some hard scientific data from Paul Dong's
"China's Super Psychic" which includes tests on cells,
substances, and dozens of others. It includes a telekinetic girl
who is willing be experimented by foreigners and the author
encouraged serious researchers to contact him to get access to
her as well as some of the thousands of psychics in China.
Serious scientists will read the following with open mind. Only
close minded folks or bigoted scientists would reply to this
message with negative feeling)
Paul Dong wrote:
Experimentation And Study
As mentioned in the previous chapter, over one hundred scientific
and academic institutions in China took part in the initial
stages of EHF research. Since then this figure has grown rapidly,
and at present EHF research laboratories can be found all over
China. These include Qinghua University, Beijing High Energy
Physics Institute, National Defense Laboratory 507, the Institute
of Aerospace Medico-Engineering (Beijing), Beijing Teachers'
College, Yunnan University, many academies of Chinese medicine,
and n ewly formed human body science laboratories all over the
country. These did a great deal of research and experimentation.
Since the discovery of the wonder child Tang Yu, studies on
"perception by non-visual organs" were popular. From January 5 to
February 6, 1986, the Guangdong Human Body Science Research
Association, Guangzhou College of Chinese Medicine, Guangzhou
Medical Institute, Jinan University's College of Engineering, and
Guangzhou University conducted seventeen tests of "perception by
non-visual organs" on Ms. Du Ping, age seventeen. The purposes
were to gain further evidence of the reality of EHF, and to study
the changes in the abilities of EHF children as they grew to
maturity.
Du Ping, a resident of Wuhan in Hubei Province, was discovered to
have EHF in May 1979. In a test at Wuhan University in September
1980, she recognized forty-three words of Chinese in eighteen
minutes. Her rather strong powers are the reason Guangdong
Province requested her to be the test subject.
For their test methodology, they used a technique called "feeling
the image in a magic bag." A dark blue 45 X 20 cm bag of thick
cloth (resembling a magic bag) was prepared.
The cloth was thick enough not to be seen through, and after the
test monitors checked the bag, sample objects were placed inside.
The test objects put in the bag were previously written texts
(sometimes along with postage stamps and pictures). Under the
observation of a number of monitors, Du Ping put her hands in the
bag, felt the objects with her fingers, and after she recognized
them, she wrote her impressions on the blackboard or gave a
spoken description of them, leaving the objects in the bag. The
re sults were a success. In seventeen tests, Du Ping was able to
recognize 232 words, thirteen stamps, and several pictures. A
total of twenty-nine monitors took part in the tests, with the
number in each test ranging from three to five.
Huanan Teachers' College and Beijing University have also
conducted such research. Their subject was a young lady named
Xiao Gang. Over the course of two years, they did forty tests of
perception of pictures and colors by nonvisual organs. Starting
from February 7, 1982, they tested her powers at regular
intervals. They also recorded her menstrual cycles over the two
years. They discovered that her powers underwent big changes
along with her age and her biological state. From 1979 to early
1982, her powers were rather stable. In 1983, she turned fifteen,
and after her first menstruation her Powers weakened markedly,
and though they showed great variability, the overall trend was
gradual decline. Later, they observed similar effects in other
girls they studied. Evidently, menstruation had some effect on
EHF in females.
In addition, these researchers did a survey of a large number of
children (male and female) with EHF. They discovered that, in
general, the children would possess strong, fairly stable powers
around the ages of ten to thirteen, but after they reached the
age of fifteen their powers would gradually weaken. There were
also exceptions. Some people maintained their powers into
adulthood. This raised questions. Why does the power fade in some
people but stay the same in others? Is there a way to preserve
the pow er or make it last longer? Fortunately, they were able to
find answers to these questions at a later time. There is indeed
a way to preserve the power and even strengthen it. This will be
described in chapter 8.
(Q-on Note: the following are list of the child psychics taken
from another part of Paul Dong stuff:
Let us provide here a reference list with names, ages when
discovered, sex, and ability for the EHF children discovered
in all parts of China in this first stage, from 1979 to 1981.
EHF Boys (total number: thirteen)
Tang Yu-age thirteen; psychic ability: reading and color
perception by ear.
Li Yong Hui-age nine; psychic ability: moving objects and
breaking twigs by mind power.
Dong Hao Jin-age four; psychic ability: moving objects with the
mind.
Xie Chao Hui-age eleven; psychic ability: seeing through human
bodies and boxes.
Shen Kegong-age eleven; psychic ability: performing mental
arithmetic faster than a calculator.
Wei Rou Yang-age eleven; psychic abilities: clairvoyant vision,
reading by ear, magnifying objects by sight, transporting objects
by thought.
Dong Chang Jiang-age five; psychic ability: telepathy.
Huang Hong Wu-age twelve; psychic ability: seeing clairvoyantly
through human bodies.
Liu Tong-age twenty; psychic abilities: seeing clairvoyantly
through human bodies, magnifying objects by sight.
Wang Xiao Dong-age twelve; psychic abilities: clairvoyant vision,
breaking twigs by mind power.
Li Cheng Yu-age nine; psychic ability: clairvoyant vision.
Song Ji-age ten; Psychic ability: reading by ear and armpit.
Chen Hong Guang-age twelve; psychic abilities: telepathy, seeing
through walls.
EHF Girls (total number: twenty-six)
Wang Qiang-age thirteen; psychic abilities: reading and color
perception by ear and armpit, telepathy.
Wang Bin-age eleven; psychic abilities: reading and color
perception by ear and armpit, telepathy.
Jiang Yan-age nine; psychic abilities: reading by ear and
fingertips.
Xu Qian-age fourteen; psychic ability: seeing through walls.
Li Zhong-age thirteen; psychic ability: moving objects and
breaking twigs by mind power.
Zhu Jiu-age nine; psychic ability: opening locks and breaking
twigs by mind power.
Zhang Lei-age thirteen; psychic abilities: remote viewing,
sensing another individual's thoughts, moving objects by mind
power.
Yu Rui Hua-age fifteen; psychic abilities: remote viewing,
clairvoyant vision.
Zhang Xue Mei-age twelve; psychic ability: reading with
fingertips and scalp.
Xiong Jie-age eleven; psychic abilities: transporting objects by
mind power, seeing through walls.
Zhao Hong-age twelve; psychic abilities: clairvoyant vision,
reading with palms and fingertips.
Mou Feng Bin-age twenty; psychic abilities: clairvoyant vision,
remote viewing.
Sun Liping-age twelve; psychic abilities: sending a flower from
the garden into a covered cup, clairvoyant vision, moving objects
and breaking twigs by mind power.
Li Xiao Yan-age eleven; psychic abilities.: clairvoyant vision,
reading with ear.
Shao Hongyan-age twelve; psychic abilities: flying a button into
the next room, clairvoyant vision, setting watches from a
distance, moving objects.
Li Song Mei-age eleven; psychic ability: clairvoyant vision.
Zhao Gui Min-age eleven; psychic ability: sensing another
individual's thoughts.
Liu Li Sha-age ten; psychic ability: clairvoyant vision.
Zhang Li-age nine; psychic ability: reading with armpit, ear,
palm, fingertips.
Wu Nian Qing-age ten; psychic ability: reading with ear and
fingers.
Feng Xia Nu-age seven; psychic ability: performing mental
arithmetic faster than a calculator, remote viewing, breaking
twigs with mind.
Wang Ming Fang-age ten; psychic abilities: X-ray vision,
telescopic vision, making flowers bloom with the mind.
Chen Xin-age ten; psychic ability: clairvoyant vision.
Di Rong-age thirteen; psychic ability: seeing through human
bodies.
Zou Hui Ping-age twelve; psychic abilities: telepathy, remote
viewing.
Wu Ming-age eleven; psychic abilities: transporting objects by
mind power, seeing clairvoyantly through human bodies.)
On another occasion, a team of EHF researchers at Yunnan
University performed an interesting test on Shao Hongyan and Sun
Liping, young girls from the city of Kunming. They placed them in
a room and asked them to use mind power to break marked willow
branches three meters away outside the room. The result was that
in under a minute, Shao Hongyan said the branch was broken. The
experimenters went out to check, and the indicated stick was
broken. Not long after that, the stick that had been assigned to
Sun Li ping also broke. Everyone applauded and exclaimed.
The experimenter on the research team then made another request.
This time, the target for the experiment was a row of willows six
meters away. In about three minutes, the two girls shouted that
they were broken. The experimenter went out and saw eight broken
pieces. After that, they did another experiment and broke over
twenty branches.
Excitedly, the experimenter asked Shao Hongyan and Sun Liping to
perform another test. The team of researchers placed a bud of
winter jasmine in a china vase and had Sun Liping hold it, but
without touching the bud. She was to send her mind power to it.
Within a minute, the winter jasmine in the vase was in full
bloom. The witnesses to the experiment were all shouting,
"Great," and of course the two girls were delighted as well.
Later, the EHF research team from Yunnan University did two other
experiments with these two girls. One of them was to make a
flower in bloom close up into a bud. At one point, a flower
appeared in an empty cup. The most remarkable of the tests was to
move a flower into the room from a neighboring room and put it in
a vase. It was like magic. The researchers were astounded!
After a large number of EHF children were discovered in China,
two documentaries about this were filmed. One, called
Do You Believe It, was produced by the Beijing Central News
Documentary Film Studio, and the other was filmed by the Shanghai
Educational Film Studio and was called Image Recognition by
Non-Visual Organs (about the early stages of EHF work with use of
the ear instead of the eye, reading with the fingers, and so on).
In one scene in Do You Believe It, the well-known EHF lady Yu Rui
Hua gave a middle-aged man an esophagus examination using her
ability to see through objects. But Yu Rui Hua couldn't tell the
difference between the esophagus and the windpipe, and so she
asked the man to drink some water.
This allowed her to recognize the esophagus and do her
examination. In a little while, she said, "Your esophagus is not
like other people's. Other people have a straight tube, but yours
goes out a little. There is something sticking out from it." So
saying, she traced out the place where the patient was affected.
The man was very surprised. It turned out that her see-through
vision gave the same results as a medical examination. This
see-through vision incident was witnessed and confirmed by a
large number of medical personnel and film studio workers.
Of all the many forms of EHF, the ones I like most are making a
flower bloom and telepathy. Telepathy is one of the most
incredible psychic phenomena. It not only permits communication
by thought, even over thousands of miles, it also allows one to
know the secrets in the mind of another person. Whatever you
think, the mind reader will know-a prospect as fascinating as it
is frightening. But there are other, yet more fascinating and
frightening things. Chinese science-fiction novels have explored
some of th e possibilities, such as one story I read of a pair of
telepathic sisters. As one sister made love to her boyfriend, the
other sister would experience the feeling at the same time,
making her very uncomfortable.
It is worth recalling here a scene in the film Do You Believe It.
Dong Wenbao, a scientist in Huiyong County, Guizhou Province, has
a four-and-a-half-year-old son, Dong Chang Jiang, who frequently
reads his thoughts. One day, as he was tutoring his son in
arithmetic, his son knew the answer 'instantly. After this, he
did the same with multiplication, division, squaring, and square
roots. At first, he thought his son was a genius, but then he
discovered that his son had telepathic powers. This incident soon
came to the attention of various authorities, who sent all kinds
of people to test him. Some research units asked the father and
son to come for testing together. One of these was the arithmetic
equation 2 - 5 = -3. Dong Wenbao read it and placed his hand on
his son's head, and his son immediately wrote the correct
solution. Another test was the square root of 3. His son quickly
wrote out the answer: 1.7321. He didn't miss anything in the fol
lowing problems either.
"Hearts communicate instantly by touching the spirit link" is a
famous line from classical Chinese poetry to describe the
connections between people's minds. If you live in China, you
will frequently hear this saying in everyday use. Once, I was
holding a chi gong class in Oakland, California. One student was
a woman who usually brought her seven- and nine-yearold children
with her to class. Once, I asked her if she would object to my
testing her children for telepathic powers. After getting her
approval, I tested them on the spot. Lightly touching the
children's heads with my hands, I thought of a number. The result
was that the seven-year-old correctly guessed the number I was
thinking of, 3, and the nine-year-old also guessed correctly when
I tested him with the number 5. This was just a simple test, but
I found that the two children had telepathic capabilities. I
suggested to their mother that I could help them develop their
"third eye," but it seems she was unfamiliar with psychic
matters, an d afraid, so she didn't agree. (Developing children's
abilities will be discussed in chapter 9.)
The examples we have looked at so far have all been simple tests.
Such tests, conducted on the basis of observational evidence,
have been repeated thousands of times. After this, more careful
and scientific methods have been used to test EHF. This includes
the use of instruments with scientific and medical researchers,
chi gong masters, and professional magic performers to monitor
the experiments, in order to detect fraud and ensure the
correctness of the results.
When people get sick, abnormal objects often appear in the body,
such as tumors, gall and kidney stones, and so on, which need to
be removed by surgery. Now we have -a method better than the most
advanced medical techniques. This is the use of the EHF power of
psychokinesis to remove the objects from the internal body
instead of surgery. Chinese EHF researchers have done an
experiment as significant as it is interesting. Anhui Teachers'
College and Anhui Wuhu City Third People's Hospital conducted
such an e xperiment, based on this happy prospect, on a live
subject.
The target for this operation was a chicken. They chose a strong
and healthy chicken weighing about two-and-a-half Pounds. They
opened up the chicken to place some stones with different-colored
markings-red, yellow, blue-in the iriner parts of the chicken's
stomach and leg, then they stitched the skin together. After
this, they tended the chicken for a week. After the surgical scar
had healed completely, they started their test.
At the start of the experiment, the researchers told the EHF
children Xiao Shi, Xiao Wang, and Xiao Xu (in China, Xiao,
meaning "little," is often put before the names of children as a
kind of nickname) to use their see-through vision to see the
colored stones inside the chicken. After the children gave
correct answers as to what was inside, they were asked to use
mind power to remove the feed from the crop in the chicken's
gullet-some grain, peas, and sprouts. After they succeeded at
this, the three childr en's psychic abilities were at their peak.
Since their special abilities were now "activated," they could be
tried on the more difficult task of moving objects out from the
body. On August 26, 1984, under the supervision and observation
of eight doctors with Wuhu City Second People's Hospital, the
three children succeeded in removing the colored stones from the
chicken's stomach and leg by mind power. The EHF psychokinesis
"surgery," overcoming spatial obstacles, was a success!
The expression "overcoming spatial obstacles" is not entirely
suitable, because it describes the observed result without saying
what it actually is. However, since science has not yet found an
explanation of its true nature, we are left with this inadequate
expression for the time being. in 1982, Beijing Teachers'
College, along with twenty-six research organizations and
academies and over forty scientists, carried out a series of
experiments on "overcoming spatial obstacles." On June 8 of that
year, a rese archer from that college locked a desk drawer and
hid away the key, not telling the EHF subject where the key was.
Then they gave Zhang Baosheng an egg (which had identifying marks
put on it). After about six minutes, the egg disappeared from
Zhang's hand, and he felt that the egg was in the desk drawer.
The monitor opened the drawer, and indeed, the egg was in it. A
careful inspection revealed that it was the same egg.
Earlier, on December 27, 1980, EHF researchers in Beijing
Teachers' College did an experiment in "overcoming spatial
obstacles," this time with live targets. They put four fruit
flies in a small glass bottle, and put the bottle in the coat
pocket of rnonitor A. He sat in a specified place, and another,
monitor B, sat in another part of the room. In addition, four
monitors sat facing Zhang Baosheng. The experiment started at
4:44 P.m. and lasted until 5:05. At that point monitor A
discovered that he couldn't find the bottle in his pocket. After
this, it turned up in a sleeve pocket of monitor B's. They found
that the fruit flies were still alive, and they lived three days
more after that.
In recent years, the Chinese have done a large number of
experiments on the super psychics Zhang Baosheng and Yan Xin. One
of the stories of Zhang Baosheng's ability to walk through walls
cannot be ignored. But first let me tell a humorous story about
the Taoist priests of Laoshan. According to this story, a man
went to Laoshan to study how to walk through walls from a Taoist
priest. After he learned it, he told his wife that he could say
the magic words and walk through walls to take people's things,
so th ey would never have to worry about money again. Then he
demonstrated his power tO his wife, but unfortunately for him,
the magic words didn't work and he banged his head against the
wall and was bleedIng. I doubt anyone would believe this myth,
but the powers 'If China's super psychic Zhang Baosheng actually
do allow the accomplishment of this feat of the Laoshan Taoists,
walking through walls.
One day, Zhang Baosheng got married and moved to a new home.
Professor Liu Huiyi of Beijing Teachers' College nese Human Body
Science Association. He has also written on the basic nature of
EHF: "The reason we study the motion of objects beyond the bounds
of space is to understand its true nature." As soon as we can
understand the basic principles, all other EHF powers may be
explainable, including all those of Zhang Baosheng.
Confirmation of Zhang Baosheng's powers by scientists dates back
to 1987. In that year, the "Chinese Scientific and Technical
Association" held an event in Beijing, and many well-known
scientists took part in it. After they saw a demonstration of
Zhang Baosheng's EHF, Zhang gained quite a reputation and he
became sought after as a subject for experimentation. This
workshop was attended by over thirty scientists, and worked on
five experimental areas, doing the experiments repeatedly. The
categories of the e xperiments were:
A. perception by nonvisual organs of writing, images, and colors;
B. restoration of broken name cards;
C. psychokinesis (moving objects by mind power); D. lighting
fires by mind power;
E. removing objects from bottles by overcoming spatial obstacles
(for example, removing medicine pills from sealed bottles).
Now let us turn to the experiments done on another super psychic,
Yan Xin, to see what mysteries they hold.
The main scientific institutes involved in scientific testing of
Yan Xin in China are Qinghua University (a school of the same
rank as Princeton in the U.S.), the High Energy Physics Institute
of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and many in the chi gong
world. Some of the experimental themes have been:
* the body's tolerance for electricity under the effects of chi
gong;
* a study of the effects of emitted chi on molecules at a
distance of 2,000 kilometers;
* a test of the effects on the half-life of americium 241, by chi
sent from the U.S. to China, at a distance of 10,000 kilometers;
* the effect of chi on the counting rate of americium 241
radioactivity;
* the effects of chi on interactions of liquid crystal and fatty
matter;
* an investigation of the effects of chi on ultraviolet
absorption of nucleic acid solution;
* the effects of remotely emitted chi in separation of gas
compounds;
* the effect of emitted chi on the polarized plane of a laser
beam;
* an investigation of the effects of chi gong external chi at
long distance on bromine-n-hexane replacement reactions;
* an investigation of the effects of chi gong external chi on the
phases of liquid crystals and lipids;
* an investigation by laser Raman spectroscopy of biochemically
active solutions under the effects of chi gong external chi.
(Q-on note: see
http://www.accessv.com/~yuan/yansci/time/2002_YanXin_Qigong_JSE.pdf
)
One of the research results could be good news for the entire
human race. On January 24, 1987, Guangming Ribao, a well-known
high-level intellectual newspaper in Beijing, published a report.
The headline consisted of three lines. The first was, "Discovery
by Qinghua University Chi Gong Research Team"; the next line was
"Causing Physiological Change is the Reason for Chi Gong's
Healing Power"; and the third, more eye-catching headline was,
"The Discovery Means Chi Gong Research Moves from the Cellular
Level to the Molecular Level."
First, after the Chinese started to do research on chi gong, they
learned that it could cure disease. After this, they discovered
that external chi (external chi can also be called psychic
ability) has the ability to promote plant growth. These are the
sorts of riddles that the Chinese are now attempting to solve,
using the knowledge and techniques of modem science. Finally,
after much experimentation, they found that external chi has
effects on the biochemical level by causing changes in some
molecular str uctures.
At first, under the direction of Lu Zuyin, professor of
highenergy physics and biophysics, research was started in 1981
on the effects of external chi. They mostly made use of microwave
and thermography apparatus to take measurements of the effects of
chi during chi gong practice. Starting in 1985, they started
testing with organic liquid crystal and discovered that chi could
darken one and brighten another refraction point. This aroused
much interest, because cell walls in the body consist of similar
high- polymer liquid-crystal substances. This indicates that chi
can have effects on the cellular level. But does it? "Be bold in
hypothesizing, be careful in ven fying," as the Chinese
philosopher Dr. Hu Shi once said. Thus, an interdisciplinary team
of scientists studying chi gong invited Yan Xin to participate in
their experiments. From December 1986 to January 1987, they did
seven experiments at different places and from different
distances, and all of these gave the anticipated results.
Their experiments involved putting tap water, saline, glucose
solution, and methramycin solution-all physiologically active-in
tightly sealed bottles and placing these in a dark room, then
having Yan Xin send his energy to them from longer or shorter
distances. A happy event occurred-the laser Raman spectrum of the
tap water now showed a large unknown peak band, showing that it
had turned into water of a different molecular structure! This
experiment was repeated many times, on December 27 and 31, 1986,
and on January 5, 8, 9, 12, 17, 20, and 23, 1987, and in all
cases their instruments still showed that large new unknown band.
After this, they tested with saline, glucose solution, and
methramycin solution, and all of these showed similar changes in
their molecular structure!
This is an unprecedented discovery, a new milestone in the
history of chi (and psychic) research, one that poses a challenge
to modem scientific theory. Chi gong's taint as a superstition
thousands of years old was wiped clean, and the charges that chi
gong is only a "placebo," "psychological suggestion," or
"hypnotism" were refuted decisively.
When Professor Qian Xuesen read of these breakthrough results, he
placed a high value on them. In his "Reviewer's Opinion," he
wrote, "This is a world first, proving indisputably that the
human body can affect external objects without physical contact,
changing their molecular states. This is an unprecedented work,
and it must be published immediately to announce to all the world
this achievement of the Chinese people.,,
If these technical reports on scientific experiments are too dry
and dull for you, perhaps some stories about Yan Xin and these
Qinghua University scientists will be more interesting and show
other sides of these things. Professor Li Shengping, one of the
scientists taking part in these experiments for changing the
molecular structure of liquids, told this story. He said this was
the first time Yan Xin took part in scientific research, and he
was in a very good mood. As soon as he came into the room, he qui
etly started radiating his energy. At the start of the
experiment, the experimenters wanted to turn off the light, but
an inexplicable thing happened. No matter how many times
everybody tried to turn off the electric switches, the light kept
shining. They could not perform the experiment until they turned
off the light, so they kept trying, with no success. just as they
were about to give up, Yan Xin said, "This should be no problem."
He touc hed the power switch, and suddenly all the lights went
out! As Pro fessor Li Shengping said, "This little performance of
Yan Xin's reminded us all of the fact that he could heal a person
with a comminuted fracture of the shoulder blade in twenty
minutes." After this, a lively atmosphere prevailed in the
laboratory. Everyone could feel that the day's experiment might
bring more results than expected. As it turned out, their first
experiment was a success.
The Chinese researchers did not rest on their laurels after they
succeeded in using EHF (or chi) to change the molecular structure
of water. They proceeded further, and for their next experimental
subject they took a cell of an organism. The result was that Yan
Xin's psychic ability changed the molecular arrangement of the
cell membrane.
If we carry this further, would it not be possible to experiment
on those most mysterious cells, the DNA cells that carry the
genetic code? The molecular structure of DNA is extreme y
complex, and the growth and decay, birth and death of proteins
are all controlled by DNA. For this reason, our life, health, or
sicknesses are all connected with DNA. This is true in particular
for hereditary diseases.
DNA and RNA tests make use of ultraviolet spectrometers, because
DNA and RNA have distinctive ultraviolet absorption bands in
their spectra, called the characteristic bands. These are crucial
for identifying DNA and RNA from the band structure of the
spectra, in the same way that the fingerprints of people are
unique and can be used for identification.
The researchers took DNA from a calf thymus and RNA from yeast as
the objects of their experiment. They used a high-resolution
ultraviolet spectrometer for measurement, and they had Yan Xin
send his energy to them for fifteen minutes. They observed that
the ultraviolet absorption spectrum of the DNA solution had
indeed changed, meaning the DNA molecular structure had changed
as well. However, when the news of this result spread to a
physics authority in Qinghua University (who requested
anonymity), he did n ot believe it. He wished to design his own
experiment, and only if that succeeded would he accept the
result.
Six years earlier, he had brought with him from America something
called artificial liquid crystal (MBBA), an extremely stable
material. It had never registered any changes. He wanted to test
this MBBA. The experimental samples were in the university lab,
and they drove seven kilometers to the outskirts of town for the
experiment. Then, after sending his energy for only five minutes,
Yan Xin said he was done. The authority shook his head in
disagreement, saying it was impossible. But when they went back
and tested it on their old reliable instrument, the result was
there, and it couldn't be denied! At this point, the authority,
wittingly or unwittingly, asked Yan Xin, "The MBBA we tested out
there changed, but the MBBA refrigerated in the other room won't
have been affected, will it?" Yan Xin said, "It might have been."
The authority was a little worried on hearing this, and he
immediately went into the other room and got the other MBBA
sample out of the refrigerator to test it. In twenty minutes, he
foun d th at it had been changed as well. This MBBA was an
important item for the authority, one he had imported from the
U.S. He was quite upset, but some others around him were teasing
him about the "great loss." Yan Xin didn't say anything, he just
stood there smiling. Eight days later, the MBBA returned to its
original state. Some said that such a series of conversions is
something modem science is unable to achieve!
The Chinese scientists became bolder and bolder in their
experiments with EHF. Now they dared to take on an investigation
in chemistry. Could EHF change hydrogen and carbon monoxide to
carbon dioxide? According to the principles of chemistry, this
reaction requires an air pressure of about 30 atmospheres and a
temperature as high as 300 degrees Celsius, as well as the
addition of a catalyst. This is a task of a high degree of
difficulty. When Yan Xin heard of this, it made him furrow his
brow too!
At the start of the experiment, the hydrogen and carbon monoxide
were put in a glass container (the pressure was only one
atmosphere, and room temperature was 13 degrees Celsius). Yan Xin
started emitting his energy, and the container started making a
slight noise, as if about to break. Then they replaced it with
one of steel, able to withstand high temperatures and a pressure
of 250 atmospheres. Again Yan Xin sent out his chi, and the
hydrogen and carbon monoxide in the container actually did change
to car bon dioxide (it was a little more concentrated than the
carbon dioxide naturally occurring in air). The Qinghua
University researchers hardly dared to believe this incredible
result. A little bit of psychic ability can take the place of
tens of atmospheres and hundredes of degrees of heat!
Another experiment was to bombard atomic nuclei. Who would think
it? Some say that Yan Xin bends science; here he was bending an
atomic nucleus. Professors Lu Zuyin, Zhang Tianbao, Wang Donghai,
and Zhu Runsheng of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' High Energy
Physics Institute did a test of the effects of Yan Xin's energy
on the decay rate of americium 241. Some asked why they would
want to do these tests on atomic nuclei. Their reply was, "Now
that we have succeeded in doing a series of experiments with EF
IF on the molecular level, we want to move on to explore on a
more fundamental level of matter-the nucleus."
The idea of observing whether or not Yan Xin's EHF powers could
influence this hard-to-change property-the decay rate of
radioactive atoms-is very appealing. Every radioactive element
has its own characteristic decay rate, determined by the
interactions in the atomic nucleus. It is generally not affected
by any physical or chemical influences from the surrounding
environment.
At the outset, they had two samples of americium 241, one to
serve as a target of the chi gong energy, the other as a control
for purposes of comparison. Each time, Yan Xin sent energy to the
target for twenty minutes. These experiments were done six times
over a period of half a year, starting in September 1987. Yan Xin
sent his energy out a total of forty times. Every time, the
experimenters registered a significant effect. Because it is
known that radioactive decay is not affected by physical or
chemical effects, there were no outside causes that could have
resulted in changing the decay rate. But on one occasion, the
decay rate changed significantly while Yan Xin was sending energy
from 2,000 kilometers away. They had to conclude that the results
were stronger at a far distance.
The Chinese researchers became bolder and bolder, or, to put it
another way, they became more and more active in testing psychic
ability at a distance. After they completed their 2,000-kilometer
test with americium 241, they turned to the idea of a new
10,000-kilometer test with americium 241, This idea was based on
Yan Xin's trip to the U.S. Using the opportunity of Yan Xin's
presence in the U.S. in 1990, Professor Lu Zuyin and Yan Xin
agreed to schedule a time that year for Yan Xin to try to send
his ener gy from the U.S. to Beijing, aimed at a sample of
americium 241, to see whether he could have an effect on it from
10,000 kilometers away.
In Beijing, four scientists with the High Energy Physics
Institute-Lu Zuyin, Zhu Runsheng, Ren Guoxiao, and Hu
Kuanghu-made the preparations for the experiment and waited for
Yan Xin to make a long-distance telephone call from the opposite
side of the Pacific Ocean to confirm e time for the experiment.
Simple logic tells us that if sending energy from seven
kilometers works (this was the distance in Yan Xin's first
longdistance experiment in mainland China), then it could also be
possible from 2,000 kilometers; and if an effect exists at 2,000
kilometers then it also could exist at 10,000 kilometers. To go
farther, such as sending energy from the earth to the moon, is a
problem for future researchers, and there is no evidence to make
any conclusions on this.
As the researchers in Beijing were waiting, the telephone rang,
bringing news of the schedule for the experiment. It was decided
that Yan Xin would send his energy to the americium 241 on
December 9, 1990, from 2:00 to 5:00 P.m. Beijing time.
After 5:00 P.m. on December 9 had passed, the scientists in
Beijing extracted the radioactive americium 241 from the positron
physics lab and sent it to laboratory number 3 of the High Energy
Physics Institute, seventeen kilometers away. The results showed
that there was only a very slight change, and the researchers
were not too satisfied.
For this reason, Yan Xin tried this experiment again on June 6,
199 1, from 8:00 to 11:00 A.m. and June 7, 8:00 to 11:00 A.M. On
the second day (June 7), the americium 241 underwent a massive
change of ten percent!
Another type of experiment, designed to measure energy fields, is
also very interesting. What we refer to here as an energy field
is not of the magnetic fields or gravitational fields in space,
but rather the "chi fields" created when Yan Xin or other psychic
masters (or chi gong masters) give lectures with emitted chi.
When members of the audience at such lectures feel the influence
of the chi field, some of them may be cured of their diseases or
have their conditions improved, while some people shout or c ry,
sway or move around, and some people confined to wheelchairs even
get up and walk again (such cases are reported in more detail in
the next chapter). The scientific community in China thinks these
chi fields are strange. Are the effects psychological, or do they
come from the chi? To seek the answer to this question, they did
some experiments.
Wang Yaolan and Lu Zuyin of the Chinese Academy of Sciences' High
Energy Physics Institute have done many such experiments. They
invited Yan Xin to give a lecture with emitted chi at the
Political Institute in Beijing. Wang Yaolan brought a lithium
fluoride [LiF (Mg, Ti)] heat-releasing light detector of a type
usually used for measurement of radiation dosage. The idea was to
check the indicator to see if it responded to the chi field. The
result was that by the end of the three-hour-and-ten-minute
lecture with emitted chi, the instrument registered a very strong
response to the chi field. In October 1987, they took
measurements at four different lectures with emitted chi by Yan
Xin, at different places, and also did similar tests on two other
chi gong masters. An gave the same result. This shows that chi
gong energy fields have an objective reality.
The technique of "field creation" used by chi gong masters for
group chi gong practice or healing also has an objective basis.
In this "field creation" practice or healing technique, chi gong
masters use mind power to compress an area or group of people in
some way (or treat them as one person), to gain more access to
the immediate environment at that moment. Then the masters send
their energy to the entire group, and it is said that they
achieve their results more easily in this way. This is a Chinese
chi gong technique for using mind power to influence an area,
often applied in lectures with emitted chi.
These scientific experiments not only advance our knowledge, they
also provide an answer to those who have their heads in the sand
and try to deny chi gong and psychic phenomena!
(Q-on note: Yao Zheng is a pretty girl with telekinetic,
teleportation abilities and the author Paul Dong is willing to
let researchers see her. This girl is said to be willing to go
abroad for scientific research purposes. Here's the quote from
Paul Dong stuff
"I strongly believe that Yao Zheng will have more powerful EHF
in the future. She is a young lady with great prospects in the
area If EHF, and she may become one of the top super psychics in
the future. She and her father have told me that she is willing
to go abroad for scientific research purposes. If anyOne would
like to contact her or to see some of China's super Psychics, I
can act as an intermediary. Please write to Paul Dong, P.O. Box
2011, Oakland, CA 94604 U.S.A."
Back to Q-on. Serious researchers, just contact him. This would
be the last time I'd quote about Paul Dong stuff. I'm sorry Paul
for all the quotes. It's all shared in the spirit of research
especially since your book published in 1997 is out of print
already and many have not heard of it. I'll erase all these
threads in goggle a week or two from now. Thanks. Note Folks
interested in Paul Dong book can get it from amazon used. I just
got it 2 days ago.
Uncle Al
>
> The following are some hard scientific data from Paul Dong's
> "China's Super Psychic"
You see yourself this way,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/effete6.jpg
The entire remainder of the planet sees you this way,
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http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
OsherD
I'd like to see Chinese people who can discriminate between the
Individual and the Plurality and equally and highly value both. If
many of them can or could, neither the Emperors nor the Communist Party
would (have) lasted very long.
Osher Doctorow
Sam Wormley
Q-on
Some common sense.
What is the function of Qi that nothing else can be attributed to cause
that
same function?
It's organization of distinct parts.
When a country such as the United States is attacked as in 911 when
the planes hit both tower. All flights are cancelled. Beside fiber
optic
based communications. They use satellites and other wireless
medium for maximum organization.
Likewise, when a virus or allergen enters the body. There is another
mechanism in addition to the classical receptors interlocking and
diffusion throughout the bloodstream. There is a holographic manner
of organization in which the entire body is aware of the intrusion and
creating the appropriate response via the bioenergetic field..
In some people. Their bioenergetic field is out of order resulting in
the allergen causing reactions and the corresponding immunological
response such as antibody, cytokines activations, etc.
In the near future. The physics of qi will reverberate in every field
of science from medicine to chemistry.
Get ready for the future and the next breakthough in science with
impact equal or far more than Quantum Mechanics and Relativity
combined...
Q-on
Sea Squid
clothed idiots
meditating in the New York street and those big idiots who claim he is the
biggest
God and David Copperfield can walk through walls.
"Q-on" <physic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Franz Heymann
"Sea Squid" <Sea....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 50% Chinese are stupid and insane. You will see thousands of those
yellow
> clothed idiots
> meditating in the New York street and those big idiots who claim he
is the
> biggest
> God and David Copperfield can walk through walls.
You should learn some more about those Chinese. Fast.
The Chinese already own a substantial part of the USA economy and they
are investing fast with the dollars you give them when you import from
them without exporting a comparable amount.
--
Franz
"The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis
by an ugly fact."
T.H. Huxley
bryan...@yahoo.com
by a double blind statistical test. most of the people who believe that
qi can heal are probably suffering from something which can be treated
by a "placebo effect", so the impression that qi serves a "function".
apart from learning physics you also need to learn a lot of statistics.
Q-on
Can oxygen heal?
Can blood heal?
Can air heal?
You are like asking such questions. It is in the right amount of them
in proper places that health is optimum. Qi is like that too.. not more
not less.
In a rough sense. We are like dealing with Bohm Implicate order and
Qi is the subtle energy or spectrum of subtle energy that powers up
the implicate order. Isn't it everything has a power source. Aspects
of qi seem to be the power source of Bohm Implicate order. It's as
if the implicate order has structure and qi maintains it foundation.
Dig it? Because the implicate order has intrinsic intelligence, qi
is called conscious energy.
If you don't know what is meant by Bohm implicate order. The implicate
order is described as a deeper order of existence, a vast and
more primary level of reality that gives birth to all the objects and
appearances of our physical world in much the same way that a piece
of holographic film gives birth to a hologram. Bohm stopped at that
point. Qi physics goes one step higher and involves the investigation,
experimentation and deriviations of formulas for the the energy
dynamics of the implicate order. We are dealing with non-linear
energy. This is why the Bohm implicate order is also known as
Energy Field (extra physics term) esp when qi subtle energy (extra
physics term) is involved.
Does the above makes sense? I'll think of more distinct example
and descriptions of it and let you know when I figure it out. The
goal of qi physics is to derive at the exact mechanisms of interactions
and their relationships to electromagnetic forces and how they are
connected to the atoms wave functions such as the possible
involvement of de Broglie pilot waves or other means of coupling.
Q-on
bryan...@yahoo.com
this, and i have never seen any paranormal being able to heal any
disease. if it was so widespread, it would been scientifically studied
already.
Creighton Hogg
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Franz Heymann wrote:
>
> "Sea Squid" <Sea....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:421c...@news.starhub.net.sg...
> > 50% Chinese are stupid and insane. You will see thousands of those
> yellow
> > clothed idiots
> > meditating in the New York street and those big idiots who claim he
> is the
> > biggest
> > God and David Copperfield can walk through walls.
>
> You should learn some more about those Chinese. Fast.
> The Chinese already own a substantial part of the USA economy and they
> are investing fast with the dollars you give them when you import from
> them without exporting a comparable amount.
Well, China does now have the 2nd largest economy in the world, behind the
US. China is in a rather odd state of affairs though. If I remember
correctly, the last set of figures I saw showed that ~250 million people
are below the poverty line. There's a pretty big gap in the distribution
of wealth in the nation, much worse than in the US.
Q-on
What is disease... it's dis-ease.. or not in ease. What is
not in ease? It's the Bohm implicate order body (or etheric
body) that in-form our physical body that is out of order
(remember the logical hypothesis that our cells need
organization body wide via this Bohm mechanism for a
living organism to exist in the first place).
In pranic healing. We fix only the subtle energy to
balance the flow of energy in the Bohm implicate order
body. However the ultimate healing is preprogramming
the Bohm implicate body to its natural state. This is
the ultimate healing. Over the years. I've learned that
fixing qi in the patient body is useless without the
reprogramming of the Bohm implicate order body or etheric
body of the patient.
Now the ability to treat the Bohm implicate order body
or etheric body is dependent on the healer own Bohm
implicate order body. It must be higher up in implicate
domain or order than the patient. The person must therefore
be more developed. The reason there are few successful
healers is because many lack development of the Bohm
implicate order body (which we esoterically called the
Chakras, remembering that evolved people have bigger
and more active chakras hence larger ability to manifest.
This is well known in esoteric circles).
You think I'm kidding above. Naw. We used the vague term
etheric body... some called it holoenergetic body...
this has the same function as Bohm implicate order.
So may as well call it Bohm implicate order body so
physics folks like you would be able to relate to it.
We qi healers are categorical the etheric body is
interactive with thought. If we'd rename it the Bohm
implicate order body (or Bohm implicate order of the
entire physical body as an organism). Maybe it makes
more sense because the Bohm body has natural affinity
to mind. Speaking of mind. The mind is certainly some
kind of implicate order interactor in that it can
reprogram the Bohm implicate order.
Now the ability to control the de Broglie pilots waves
affecting the expression of atoms is dependent on
development of the implicate order structure of the
person. The more developed he is, the more he can control
the pilot waves and hence wave function of the atoms,
therefore the more he can heal the person by directly
interacting with the atoms of the cells affecting it and
healing it to natural state of health not using manual
override but using default programming coupling of the
Bohm implicate order (some kind of natural state library).
Think deeply. The above makes sense, isn't it? I am
still refining the language and terms used by us qi healers
to make it more compatible with mainstream physics. The
ultimate goal of qi physics is to not only define the
terms but also relate it in details to the known forces,
etc.
Q-on
bryan...@yahoo.com
Androcles
news:421CA8D5...@hate.spam.net...
> Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
> Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
> measured in the stationary frame.
> 1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
What a right royal stooopid motherfucker.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
Androcles
Franz Heymann
"Creighton Hogg" <wch...@hep.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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I can't comment on that, because I don't know the precentages involved
in the US and in China.
I would not be surprised if you are right, because China has only
recently started, from a very poor baseline.
My only point was that Chinese entrepreneurs are rapidly buying into
the US infrastructure.
Creighton Hogg
Yes, and I guess my thinking is that if the economic disparity in China
ever causes problems with their economic or social stability, I am afraid
that might effect us rather badly. To my naive point of view, China is
now big enough economically that any problems it has in the future could
cause a depression worldwide.
Dr. Photon
> Some common sense.
>
> What is the function of Qi that nothing else can be attributed to cause
> that
> same function?
>
> It's organization of distinct parts.
Have you read up on Ilya Prigogine? He got the Nobel prize for
studying how order/organization arises.
You can get started at
http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1977/prigogine-lecture.pdf
and there are many websites discussing the issues if you do a quick
search.
He starts off talking about thermodynamics, and goes on to prove how
order can arise from randomness. All you need is a power supply of the
ordinary kind (heat), no qi needed.
Subjectively, this can give the illusion that there is some guiding
force or organizational hidden element, but he actually showed
*mathematically* that you are *almost certain* to get organization
from randomness under various circumstances. He also did the
experiments, connected the experiments and theory, and ended up with
the Nobel for his efforts.
Creationists have been having a hard time with this for ages now, and
still think that order/evolution proves the existence of God or some
higher power. Prigogine showed how organization alone does not prove
this, and can be explained by normal means.
BR
Q-on
Dr. Photon wrote:
> "Q-on" <physic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<1109131463.8...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
> > Some common sense.
> >
> > What is the function of Qi that nothing else can be attributed to
cause
> > that
> > same function?
> >
> > It's organization of distinct parts.
> [snip]
>
> Have you read up on Ilya Prigogine? He got the Nobel prize for
> studying how order/organization arises.
>
> You can get started at
>
> http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1977/prigogine-lecture.pdf
Living things have a higher level of order that uses other
mechanisms. When a person dies, his holographic energy field
level of organization can survive and these are what we
called "ghosts". A group of qi healers in our country exorcise
them or dissolve the holographic energy field so the haunting
would stop at a place. Of course we have to be careful no
independent etheric beings have made use of that discarded
energy field.
In a nutshell, the whole purpose of this bioholographic energy
field is to serve as anchor for higher dimensional energy
system to interface with the physical world. Veteran qi
healers can contact the world of souls and we can trace
the thread of energy running from this higher dimension
(let's called it parallel brane universe for description
sake) to this physical world. The holographic energy field
serves as the interface.
I'll stop here so you can get this very important point.
The holographic energy field serves as the interface
between the purely physical world and the higher dimensional
world.
What I want to know in details is how the holographic
energy field is connected to the atoms.. like do they
use the quantum probability clouds as some spirit input
gates or sorta.
I still don't know how it is exactly connected. To figure
it out. One has to know whether Lorentz Ether Theory or
SR is really representative of reality. Veteran Qi healers
and clairvoyants can detect some kind of liquid something
connected with light. It's as if light is using liquid
Aether to travel? If one will use the Tiller model. Could
this liquid something be his magnetoelectric substance that
he said normal light is composed of? No one knows yet.
At this point. I think you are thinking how deceived I
am. Naw. If you only knew....
Well. Tiller and China qi physicists are working on the
connection now. Hope they can get successful soon and spare
us qi healers from headaches of trying to figure out something
that we are not tasked to do.. the physics of qi.
Q-on
bryan...@yahoo.com
Q-on wrote:
>
> At this point. I think you are thinking how deceived I
> am. Naw. If you only knew....
>
au contraire, we do know: we know how seriously delirious and
delusional you are.
> Well. Tiller and China qi physicists are working on the
> connection now. Hope they can get successful soon and spare
> us qi healers from headaches of trying to figure out something
> that we are not tasked to do.. the physics of qi.
>
what's there to figure out? it's all imaginary. qi is something which
people can believe to be existent when they are sufficiently deluded,
like you pal.
.sSweetMarie
Okay, well, this can be the end of your investigation in these
ng's, although I do hope to spark some discussion from other posters.
Higher dimensions. We do not really know how to interface with them.
Read "Flatland", a humorous depiction of life on a plane, and how their
lives are interrupted with great astonishment and investigation by the
bisection of their plane with 3-D objects, and how not one among them
could explain the phenomenon (of the 3-D objects bisecting their plane)
until some 3-D being had pity on one 2-D being and lifted him from
hisEmitted Photon Particles Observered In Laser Beam ( by Smart1234) plane
and showed him about. And imagine HIS task of explaining 3-D to his peers.
Or read the book, it's nice.
There is also this post in alt.sci.physics.new-theories:
Date: 19 Feb 2005 06:08:42 -0800
Subject: Emitted Photon Particles Observered In Laser Beam( by Smart1234)
Smart1234 makes reference to an URL showing his experiment in which he
observes higher dimensional reality in laser beam. His explanation in the
post needs a little work, but check out his .wmv Windows Media File if
you're interested. It IS interesting.
http://smart1234.s-enterprize.com/photon-particles-observed.test
>
> What I want to know in details is how the holographic
> energy field is connected to the atoms.. like do they
> use the quantum probability clouds as some spirit input
> gates or sorta.
>
We do not know.
> I still don't know how it is exactly connected. To figure
> it out. One has to know whether Lorentz Ether Theory or
> SR is really representative of reality. Veteran Qi healers
> and clairvoyants can detect some kind of liquid something
> connected with light. It's as if light is using liquid
> Aether to travel? If one will use the Tiller model. Could
> this liquid something be his magnetoelectric substance that
> he said normal light is composed of? No one knows yet.
>
> At this point. I think you are thinking how deceived I
> am. Naw. If you only knew....
>
I do not think that you are deceived. WHY do you want to know the physics
of qi? Just practice. The universe is alive, why should you dissect it??
> Well. Tiller and China qi physicists are working on the
> connection now. Hope they can get successful soon and spare
> us qi healers from headaches of trying to figure out something
> that we are not tasked to do.. the physics of qi.
>
> Q-on
>
>
Oh, right. Make a science of it so that the proletariat will pay sums of
money to you so that they can boast of their acheivements. Good luck.
.sSweetMarie
http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/natsumis/science.html
Franz Heymann
>
> Dr. Photon wrote:
> > "Q-on" <physic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<1109131463.8...@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
> > > Some common sense.
> > >
> > > What is the function of Qi that nothing else can be attributed
to
> cause
> > > that
> > > same function?
> > >
> > > It's organization of distinct parts.
> > [snip]
> >
> > Have you read up on Ilya Prigogine? He got the Nobel prize for
> > studying how order/organization arises.
> >
> > You can get started at
> >
> >
http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1977/prigogine-lecture.pdf
>
> Living things have a higher level of order that uses other
> mechanisms. When a person dies, his holographic energy field
> level of organization can survive and these are what we
> called "ghosts".
I presume you realise that that is what we call a "mixed word salad".
A group of qi healers in our country exorcise
> them or dissolve the holographic energy field so the haunting
> would stop at a place. Of course we have to be careful no
> independent etheric beings have made use of that discarded
> energy field.
That is equivalent to selling snake oil in some parts ofthe world.
> In a nutshell, the whole purpose of this bioholographic energy
What is "bioholographic", as distinct from common or garden
"holographic"?
> field is to serve as anchor
So this is a boat of some kind?
> for higher dimensional energy
Higher than what?
> system to interface with the physical world.
If it does, it must be one of the four fundamental forces.
Which one is it?
> Veteran qi
> healers can contact the world of souls
Do you mean assouls?
> and we can trace
> the thread of energy running from this higher dimension
What is the thread made of?
> (let's called it parallel brane universe for description
> sake)
Why?
You calling it that will not necessarily make it so.
> to this physical world. The holographic energy field
> serves as the interface.
>
> I'll stop here so you can get this very important point.
> The holographic energy field serves as the interface
> between the purely physical world and the higher dimensional
> world.
Since you said you will stop here, I suppose the rest of your crap
just camre out by its own momentum, so I'll just snip it here, in case
it stinks.
[snip]
Now, let's ask you a straight question:
Do you know what a hologram is, and how it is produced?
If the answer is in the affirmative, please explain.
Q-on
Heymann wrote:
> Now, let's ask you a straight question:
> Do you know what a hologram is, and how it is produced?
> If the answer is in the affirmative, please explain.
Let me first describe what is a hologram in my opinion and
how our body energy field can produce it.
Hologram has something to do with interference patterns
and how a tiny part has the image of the complete picture.
I would bypass about the laser explanation as most know it
and focus on how our body can use it. Our energy field
(produced by some not yet understood mechanisms from atoms)
has something like this hologram which is interference patterns
and how tiny portion of it has any image of the whole. Not
only this. But I recently learned from qi/clair investigations
that all substance or allergen has its unique holographic field.
When you hold a test tube containing the allergen which
can cause you reactions physically. It was observed that
your energy field gets chaotic by the introduction of
the substance or allergen holofield into your body holofield.
Our body holographic field is much more dynamic of course than
the static hologram produced in the laser show. This is also
the reason why Bohm called his implicate order holomovement
to denote more dynamicness in the interconnection of space/time.
In seership training. What we are doing is translating the
interference pattern of the energy field into something our
brain visual system can visualize.
My number one problem now is finding how all this holographic
energy field is connected to the atoms and cells. I'm
wondering if the entire atom is immersed in some kind of
etheric field where the dance of the electrons or probabilily
clouds are controlled by this holofield where quantum
randomness is caused by ambient etheric something while
an active holographic field can directly affect the wave
function of the electrons. This is one big possibility since
the behavior of matter is only controlled by electrons and
probability clouds, electromagnetic fields, etc. as in
chemistry. However all this is assuming Born interpretation
of the wave function as wave of probability is correct and
the electrons are indeed described correctly by Schroedinger.
What if there is another atomic model in which all the data
can likewise by described with the natural existence of qi.
This is what I'm trying to acquire and what's why I'm
searching for all alternative models of the Standard Model
to see how qi can be plugged inside while maintaining the
compability of all the data in physics.
> A group of qi healers in our country exorcise
> > them or dissolve the holographic energy field so the haunting
> > would stop at a place. Of course we have to be careful no
> > independent etheric beings have made use of that discarded
> > energy field.
>
> That is equivalent to selling snake oil in some parts ofthe world.
No. I'm categorical about the existence of this bioetheric or
holographic energy field after decades of experiences on it
with hundreds of qi healers and thousands of patients.
>
> > In a nutshell, the whole purpose of this bioholographic energy
>
> What is "bioholographic", as distinct from common or garden
> "holographic"?
Described above in details.
>
> > field is to serve as anchor
>
> So this is a boat of some kind?
Our mind has aspect of higher dimensionality and the bioenergetic
holographic field is an interface between it and the physical
matter thru either a wave function gating function or other
mechanisms still being searched.
> > for higher dimensional energy
>
> Higher than what?
>
> > system to interface with the physical world.
>
> If it does, it must be one of the four fundamental forces.
> Which one is it?
No. The dry and mechanical Standard Model of physics is
incomplete and is subject of this coming qi physics.
> > and we can trace
> > the thread of energy running from this higher dimension
>
> What is the thread made of?
It is made of ethereal matter located above the head and I
have extensive experience of its behavior in different
people and psychological variations, etc..
Q-on
bryan...@yahoo.com
quack... ad infinitum.
Q-on
bryan...@yahoo.com wrote:
> more bullshit from Q-on. quack quack quack quack.... quack quack
> quack... ad infinitum.
It's not nonsense.
Here's more detail.
The holographic energy field in the human body is also
the mind field. That's it. It is part of our mind. While
it is true the brain has neural networks for the mind
function. The body is an extension of it and they all
work together. This is the part of mechanism of
consciousness and body-mind connection. Since the
holographic energy field (some call it etheric body)
is connected to the biochemistry of the body. An effect
on one can affect the other. When your holographic energy
field is chaotic, your biochemistry can be affected
resulting in feelings of bad mood to your brain. The
neurologist Antonio Damasio gave great details of the
importance of the body in the working of the mind in
his books "Descartes Error", "The Feelings of What
Happens" and Spinoza. They are great reference of
this body-mind connection. In my search for the
physics of qi. I have read about dozens books on
consciousness research such as by David Chalmers,
Christen Koch, etc. to understand the neurological
correlate and underpinning of qi.
Brain, your skeptism is healthy. I know I'd meet more
people like you in the coming days, months, years in
different newsgroups in my attempt to understand how
the atoms are connected to this holographic energy field,
etc.
Q-on
.sSweetMarie
OsherD
Why doesn't China vibrate? I have nothing against consciousness (some
of my
best friends are conscious), but Q-on should explain how the Chinese
people could
have had an almost uninterrupted history of psychopathic Emperors,
psychopathic
"men/women of the people", and still be conscious in any effective
sense.
Osher
Franz Heymann
>
> Heymann wrote:
>
> > Now, let's ask you a straight question:
> > Do you know what a hologram is, and how it is produced?
> > If the answer is in the affirmative, please explain.
>
> Let me first describe what is a hologram in my opinion and
> how our body energy field can produce it.
>
> Hologram has something to do with interference patterns
> and how a tiny part has the image of the complete picture.
> I would bypass about the laser explanation as most know it
> and focus on how our body can use it. Our energy field
> (produced by some not yet understood mechanisms from atoms)
Is it an oscillatory field, or a static one?
In the former case, what is a typical frequency, and what detectoors
do we need to measure it?
In the latter case, what is its strength vs distance law?
If it is origin is in atoms, which part of the atom acts as source?
On trying to read the rest, I came so near to puking that I had to
stop and snip it.
I suppose it must have been the holographic field of your writing
which did it.
Ye gods, it is powerful.
[snip]
Q-on
Franz Heymann wrote:
> "Q-on" <physic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1109416556.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Heymann wrote:
> >
> > > Now, let's ask you a straight question:
> > > Do you know what a hologram is, and how it is produced?
> > > If the answer is in the affirmative, please explain.
> >
> > Let me first describe what is a hologram in my opinion and
> > how our body energy field can produce it.
> >
> > Hologram has something to do with interference patterns
> > and how a tiny part has the image of the complete picture.
> > I would bypass about the laser explanation as most know it
> > and focus on how our body can use it. Our energy field
> > (produced by some not yet understood mechanisms from atoms)
>
> Is it an oscillatory field, or a static one?
It's not static. Bohm uses the word "Holomovement" for
his implicate order as holographic to differentiate
it from the normal static holograms. The energy field
holographic property is dynamic. Maybe standing wave
of some kind?? I don't know. Since the energy field
research is just starting. Many theories are still
being debated from Tiller antennae array radiation
to scalar field of some kind. It's too early to be
definite.
> In the former case, what is a typical frequency, and what detectoors
> do we need to measure it?
I once discussed this with an indian oncologist who
came to Phils to learn pranic healing. He said the
vibration is 7.8 hz or the schumann resonance and
its micropulsation. Our alpha brain wave fall in
this range. When one is in alpha wave, some said
that's when maximum energy exchange with the
environment occur. I still don't know. Everything
is still preliminary. I once bought an EEG from
brainmaster.com but it's difficult to put the
electrode on the head and I didn't get the updated
version. Robert Beck said all the qi healers he study
when emitting it has alpha brain wave of 7.8 Hz.
> In the latter case, what is its strength vs distance law?
Tiller uses the antennae radiation model. I don't know.
When you are weak, you holo energy field is only 2-3
inches from your body. When you are strong, the energy
field is bigger like 8-10 inches from your body. What
we qi healers do the first thing we encounter the
patient is measuring the size of this energy field
to determine the energy level of the person. When
you met a person with very low energy field, all qi
healers would have the same scanning result of say 2-3
inches. This consistently is why there are hundreds
of doctors now using qi healing as complementary in
treating the patient. Some who are not responding
to standard medical treatment can benefit much from
this as shown in the experience of for example this
urologist Eric in the following:
>
> If it is origin is in atoms, which part of the atom acts as source?
That's precisely what I am trying to figure out. If I
knew. I won't be here asking that. All our instruments
can detect the physical aspect of the atoms. But there
are some energy field in the atom that doesn't respond
to our em based instruments.
Anyway. I'll give you a clue, maybe you can figure it
out. When a person hold a natural crystal, his
holographic energy field increase in size by twice
the amount. I wonder how a crystal can do it. Our
body has crystalline properties too and the holographic
energy field source may have something to do with it
perhaps some kind of Einstein Bose Condensates or
Frolich Oscillations from the crystal arrays of
atoms. I'm still zeroing on it. Maybe you or others
can share any special properties of crystals which
can produce the energy field. It's like something
in a crystal can produce a unique special kind of
quantum etheric coherence producing all the effect
without the standard requirement of coldness for
example remembering that quantum effects may be
expected to become important whenever a system is
small (atoms and molecules), cold (superconductors)
or well-ordered (silicon crystal semiconductors).
This energy field in crystalline substance may be
a special class of quantum effects where the
undetected energy field of an atom can form
collective holographic output. We qi researchers
are still zeroing on the mechanism of interactions.
Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Q-on
EL
[EL]
7.8 Hz would be the carrier frequency of the brain waves in a childish
or naive rhythm.
An adult could produce or achieve that frequency only during very
special meditation with almost no thoughts.
A blank mind (eyes closed) is like sleeping without dreaming.
But such an alpha-theta rhythm would be normally recorded by using EEG
with scalp probes.
So the key to Qi is in the skin and not in the atoms.
There could be no holographic representations at such resolution
(frequency) without wave superposition.
In fact, almost all the alleged therapeutic effects of meditations are
the outcome of relaxation, because many modern psychosomatic illnesses
rise from hypertension.
Fine, well, we already know that your Qi is a relaxation meditation
state so what is all that fuss you are making!
Go away with your noise.
EL
Q-on
> [EL]
> 7.8 Hz would be the carrier frequency of the brain waves in a
childish
> or naive rhythm.
> An adult could produce or achieve that frequency only during very
> special meditation with almost no thoughts.
> A blank mind (eyes closed) is like sleeping without dreaming.
> But such an alpha-theta rhythm would be normally recorded by using
EEG
> with scalp probes.
> So the key to Qi is in the skin and not in the atoms.
> There could be no holographic representations at such resolution
> (frequency) without wave superposition.
> In fact, almost all the alleged therapeutic effects of meditations
are
> the outcome of relaxation, because many modern psychosomatic
illnesses
> rise from hypertension.
> Fine, well, we already know that your Qi is a relaxation meditation
> state so what is all that fuss you are making!
> Go away with your noise.
>
> EL
Not so fast.
It was the indian oncologist saying it and Robert Beck. That was about
8 years ago. After that. I discussed with a EMF discussion group and
they explained that 7.8 hz would not be enough for communications
since there is not enough data that can be put in it exactly like
you implied that no holographic representations exist at such
resolution.
About Robert Beck. I don't know why he measured 7.8Hz when the
healers were doing their stuff. All I cay say is that we qi healers
can emit qi even while talking or moving which put our brain waves
at beta state with 15-40 Hz brain wave. Since the energy field
is part of mind field. Our intention alone can set in motion this
energy field. This is how we can emit qi to patients to fix their
bioenergy field. I don't know if the 7.8Hz effect or frequency
of the etheric body if real is just collective oscillations effect
or resonance from earth schumann resonance (7.8hz) with the
primary energy field using non-local communication protocol
that doesn't rely on frequency. It is also possible that those
who don't know how to project qi can automatically do it when
their brain waves are in alpha because we learned that during
relaxation or sleep. Our cells have maximum qi absorption and
emission characteristic. This may be the mechanism why we
sleep at all that sleep scientists are still puzzling since
it's not normal anabolism mechanism at work nor memory process
work in brain since those who have brain damage who don't have
REMS are not affected and our cells can do the metabolic process
when resting.
About qi. It is better to define qi as energy patterns because shapes
can affect it. At this point. It is important to differentiate between
qi particles and qi spectrum. Humans have qi spectrum, while qi
particles
carry qi spectrum from the surrounding to our body via the meridian
energy channel inputs. It's like the sun produces not just photons
but subtle etheric photons. Some particles in the atmosphere carry
this etheric photons. The particles with the charged up etheric
photons or spectrum enter our body thru the chakras or meridian
inputs. The spectrum is released inside our body. Then the empty
particles were released from our body back to the surrounding for
recharging forming a part of our aura that we qi healers can measure.
Therefore we qi healers emit qi. We emit the qi spectrum or etheric
photons and not the qi particles themselves because their function is
only to carry the qi spectrum to our body. About the pyramid shapes.
It doesn't exactly attract these particles. What happened is the
pyramid
shape collect or focus the ambient subtle spectrum in the center. I
found out all this many years ago and confirmed it again with a veteran
qi healer and seer yesteday where I made a pyramid out of cardboard.
When the 4 sides are open as in flat. The triangle shape alone of
each can focus some qi spectrum. As I close the 4 sides into the
shape of pyramid, the focusing gets stronger until the pyramid shape
is formed where the energy is concentrated at the center. Of course
we qi healers don't use pyramid derived qi spectrum because we can
just absorb it from the ambient surrounding and project it to the
patient.
Our cells may need this spectrum for communications. Maybe in addition
to the electrons interacting with photons. The subtle spectrum can
interact with the electrons energy levels and the resultant output
becomes part of a body wide holographic communication system with the
physical effects mediated by Popp Biophotons and stuff. This may be it
and the physics of qi in a rough sense although it is possible other
atomic model may exist that can interact with this qi spectrum in ways
we haven't foresee or understand.
Anyway. I'm still struggling what principles in physics to explain all
this whether to use some kind of modified Lorentz Ether Theory or
special states of the Vaccuum where energy patterns can exist. To deal
with it. I ordered a book from amazon called "Einstein and the Ether"
by Ludwik Kostro where the author described Einstein search for Unified
Theory in last 30 years of his life where he combined Relativity and
Ether as in Relativistic Ether with 3 models of it. I'll receive it
next week. It may give me some kind of idea what the structure of
reality may ultimately be that can explain all this that pure em
based physicists who used em based instruments can't detect. Since
you guys can't detect all this with your em based eyesight and
instruments it don't mean they don't exist.
Q-on
bryan...@yahoo.com
infinitum.
Q-on
More quantifiable data.
I don't know what is the consensus of this physics group about
Biophotons.
I read about it many years ago and again a while ago. I don't know what
to make of it yet.
Do you believe that Biophotons are just noises from biochemical
reactions
or do you believe that they are part of the body communication system.
According to Fritz Popp in his abstact:
http://www.lifescientists.de/ib0203e_1.htm
"Biological Systems are governed by the special interaction of a
coherent
electromagnetic field (biophotons) and biological matter. There is a
permanent feedback coupling between field and matter in a way that
the field directs the location and activity of matter, while matter
provides
the boundary conditions of the field. Since the field is almost fully
coherent, the interference patterns of the field contain the necessary
information about the regulatory function. The interference structures
are not stable, but vary in concordance with the rather complex
spatio-temporal interactions between field and matter. The dominating
role of source and sink of the field is probably played by the DNA.
(1) Matter, (2) energy distribution over the matter, (3) entropy,
(4) information up to what we call (5) consciousness are all linked in
a wholistic, hierarchical structure of interactions."
-------------
Do you believe in Fritz Popp or is it horse manure as Heymann love
to call it??
Here are simple intros about Biophotons.
http://healingtools.tripod.com/biophotons2.html
http://www.transpersonal.de/mbischof/englisch/webbookeng.htm
Franz Heymann
>
> Franz Heymann wrote:
> > "Q-on" <physic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1109416556.8...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Heymann wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now, let's ask you a straight question:
> > > > Do you know what a hologram is, and how it is produced?
> > > > If the answer is in the affirmative, please explain.
> > >
> > > Let me first describe what is a hologram in my opinion and
> > > how our body energy field can produce it.
> > >
> > > Hologram has something to do with interference patterns
> > > and how a tiny part has the image of the complete picture.
> > > I would bypass about the laser explanation as most know it
> > > and focus on how our body can use it. Our energy field
> > > (produced by some not yet understood mechanisms from atoms)
> >
> > Is it an oscillatory field, or a static one?
>
> It's not static. Bohm uses the word "Holomovement" for
> his implicate order as holographic to differentiate
> it from the normal static holograms.
I am not interested in what Bohm has to say on the topic.
I am sort of interested in whst *you* might have to say.
So far, the desciption of "mighty little" would fit the bill.
> The energy field
> holographic property
What is an "energy field"?
> is dynamic. Maybe standing wave
> of some kind?? I don't know.
How can you then tell whether it is, or is ot, a holographic field?
Have you ever performed any quantitative observations on its
osillation amplitude?
> Since the energy field
> research is just starting.
I'll forespell something: It will have stopped before it has turned
up any quantitative information relating to either the amplitude or
the frequency of this putative holographic energy fiels of which you
speak. Would you care to lay a bet?
> Many theories are still
> being debated from Tiller antennae array radiation
> to scalar field of some kind. It's too early to be
> definite.
That is "Tiller antennae array radiation"?
>
> > In the former case, what is a typical frequency, and what
detectoors
> > do we need to measure it?
>
> I once discussed this with an indian oncologist who
> came to Phils to learn pranic healing. He said the
> vibration is 7.8 hz or the schumann resonance
How did he measure this frequency?
What is the schumann resonance?
> and
> its micropulsation.
What is its micropulsation?
> Our alpha brain wave fall in
> this range.
Now that is an electrochemical phenomenon, as far as I know.
What is the coupling mechanism between electromagnetism and the
"holographic energy field"?
> When one is in alpha wave, some said
Who is "some". His name escapes me.
Is he Mr some, Dr some or Professor some?
Or is it an alias for Joe Bloggs?
> that's when maximum energy exchange with the
> environment occur.
How does this energy exchange couple to the environment?
> I still don't know.
Yes, it is obvious that you don't know.
As a matter of fact, you don't even know what it is that you don't
know.
> Everything
> is still preliminary.
And will remain so until it is rejected.
> I once bought an EEG from
> brainmaster.com but it's difficult to put the
> electrode on the head and I didn't get the updated
> version.
What you mean is that you wasted your money because you don't have
enough intellect to learn how to operate it.
> Robert Beck said all the qi healers he study
> when emitting it has alpha brain wave of 7.8 Hz.
How interesting.
What are the experimental errors on that number?
> > In the latter case, what is its strength vs distance law?
>
> Tiller uses the antennae radiation model.
Who is Tiller?
What is the antennae radiation model which he uses?
Does this mean that he has narrowed the nature of the "holographic
energy field" to being an EM field?
> I don't know.
> When you are weak, you holo energy field is only 2-3
> inches from your body.
This would be a unique situation, in which the distance law of the
field is dependent on the field amplitude.
> When you are strong, the energy
> field is bigger like 8-10 inches from your body.
Is it constant, with a sharp edge to its efficacy, or does it decay
gradually with distance.
But hold it, this latest thought of yours does not fit in smoothly
with antenna theory.
How do you aquare that?
> What
> we qi healers do the first thing we encounter the
> patient is measuring the size of this energy field
> to determine the energy level of the person.
What are the transducers which you use for determining the energy
level of the person?
And would it be higher if he climbed on a ladder before you did the
measurement?
(After giving him a rest from his exertions, of course.
> When
> you met a person with very low energy field,
How low? sat about 6" above ground level?
> all qi
> healers would have the same scanning result of say 2-3
> inches.
But what about the result for the patient?
Is it not a little selfish of the healer to put his own interest above
that of the patient (I am, of course, not referring to monetary
affairs, since I take it for granted that your main intention is to
fleece the patient. But please, do have some consideration for him
during the process)
> This consistently is why there are hundreds
> of doctors now using qi healing as complementary in
> treating the patient.
Would you please be so kind as to let me have a list of those who sell
this particular brand of snake oil in my country, so that I can take
appropriate action to put a stop to it?
> Some who are not responding
> to standard medical treatment can benefit much from
> this as shown in the experience of for example this
> urologist Eric in the following:
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9719127600/ref=pd_sim_b_2/002-6970964-3477663?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
>
> >
> > If it is origin is in atoms, which part of the atom acts as
source?
>
> That's precisely what I am trying to figure out. If I
> knew. I won't be here asking that. All our instruments
> can detect the physical aspect of the atoms.
Which physical aspects of the atoms can your instruments detect?
What are these physical aspects of the atoms which these instruments
of yours can detect?
> But there
> are some energy field in the atom that doesn't respond
> to our em based instruments.
Then you are wasting your time, are you not?
I thought you implied that your "holograophic energy field" was not an
EM field?.
>
> Anyway. I'll give you a clue, maybe you can figure it
> out. When a person hold a natural crystal,
A natural crystal of what?
What is the difference between a natural crystal and a lab grown one
of the same kind, except that the lab grown ones are usually much
purer and freer of flaws?
> his
> holographic energy field increase in size by twice
> the amount. I wonder how a crystal can do it.
Actually, so do I.
> Our
> body has crystalline properties too and the holographic
> energy field source may have something to do with it
> perhaps some kind of Einstein Bose Condensates
I would have thought that your patient would have been dead before you
got him cold enough to become a Bose-Einstein condensate. And is his
make-up not perhaps a bit too mkuch of a mixed bag of goods to ever
achieve that (presumably) highly desirable state of affairs?
> or
> Frolich Oscillations from the crystal arrays of
> atoms.
What are Frolich oscillations?
And perhaps you should learn to spell his name before you associate it
with some kind of oscillatory motion.
And which Frohlich do you mean?
One of them peddled nonsense and the other was a physicist.
> I'm still zeroing on it. Maybe you or others
> can share any special properties of crystals which
> can produce the energy field.
Yes, of course I can: There are none.
> It's like something
> in a crystal can produce a unique special kind of
> quantum etheric coherence producing all the effect
> without the standard requirement of coldness for
> example remembering that quantum effects may be
> expected to become important whenever a system is
> small (atoms and molecules), cold (superconductors)
> or well-ordered (silicon crystal semiconductors).
> This energy field in crystalline substance may be
> a special class of quantum effects where the
> undetected energy field of an atom can form
> collective holographic output. We qi researchers
> are still zeroing on the mechanism of interactions.
> Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
That last paragraph was one huge word salad. Sorry, but I am already
sated. I just cannot eat any more.
Q-on
> > The energy field
> > holographic property
>
> What is an "energy field"?
Energy and field each denote a physical description. Since qi physics
is futuristic physis, there are no standard terms yet so they kinda
combine the two becoming "energy field"... hence the qi physics
definition of energy field is "A region of space characterized by a
non-physical energy property having a determinable value (qi density)
at every point in the region."
>
> > is dynamic. Maybe standing wave
> > of some kind?? I don't know.
>
> How can you then tell whether it is, or is ot, a holographic field?
> Have you ever performed any quantitative observations on its
> osillation amplitude?
It's non-local holographic field that has vibration characteristics.
Seers have determined it throughout centuries describing it has
vibrations
just like my seer friends. It's oscillation amplitude is variable.
Since space has similar holographic property either via Bohm
holomovement
or the fact the Aether is holographic in nature. I can get access to
your holographic energy field via space holographic field wherever you
are in the planet and affect your bio holo field. In medieval times.
This is called Sorcery. For maximum effect, independent holographic
based etheric entities have to be called upon to cause maximum damage
that you can feel immediately. In medieval times, this is called
"spells". I know this is true because we qi healers can heal the
damaged bioetheric body of the victim. I have seen such damages and
have even inflicted it on others accidentally. This is a categorical
statement and not guess works. All 400 qi centers worldwide are
knowledgeable in this (addresses of all below).
> > I once discussed this with an indian oncologist who
> > came to Phils to learn pranic healing. He said the
> > vibration is 7.8 hz or the schumann resonance
>
> How did he measure this frequency?
> What is the schumann resonance?
The indian oncologist just told me but doesn't mean I believe him. He
said the etheric body are caused by the monopoles inside atoms
communicating
with each other at 7.8Hz. When I inquired this with an EMF group. We
determine there is no data that can ride in that slow vibration so
I conclude he is in error. Of course I'd appreciate it if someone
can explain how 7.8Hz can still be usable as communicating frequency
using what EL called Superposition (of what? EL?))
About Schumann Resonance. It is the electromagnetic pulses from
lightning
travelling around the world between surface and ionosphere caused by
average of 200 lightning strikes taking place every second.
>
> > and
> > its micropulsation.
>
> What is its micropulsation?
It varies from 1-40Hz depending on rhythms from terrestrial and
extra terrestrial sources (such as solar activity) with the average
being 7-10Hz if the ionosphere is at the normal height.
>
> > Our alpha brain wave fall in
> > this range.
>
> Now that is an electrochemical phenomenon, as far as I know.
> What is the coupling mechanism between electromagnetism and the
> "holographic energy field"?
At this point. I'm using Tiller theory pending a more solid one.
He said etheric frequency is superluminal versus the matter subluminal.
Deltron particles from 9D couple the two together. Normal light has
photonic and magnetoelectric property mediated by deltron coupling.
When he puts a prism in the path of light. There is a index of
refraction above 1 (for normal light) and below 1 (for etheric
light) and also spectrum for the deltron particles producing a total
of 3 separate spectrums. Yesterday I tried this experiment with a
clairvoyant but the test setup is so rough it is difficult to see the
angles. We'll try again next time. If Tiller theory is wrong. It is
ok. Then I continue the search. There is just a magnetic quality to
all this etheric field or holographic energy field. Who knows. Maybe
it has something to do with rotating magnetic field components of
modified Thomsonian Aetheric units (I mentioned "modified" to mean
enhanced model of preliminary Thomson Aether Model which has many holes
mentioned in the Thomson thread).
>
> > When one is in alpha wave, some said
>
> Who is "some". His name escapes me.
> Is he Mr some, Dr some or Professor some?
> Or is it an alias for Joe Bloggs?
>
> > that's when maximum energy exchange with the
> > environment occur.
>
> How does this energy exchange couple to the environment?
When you are in alpha. Your attention from the body identity is
minimal. As a result, the body etheric system can relax and this
is when maximum qi charging can occur, etc. This is the secret of
sleeping and I'm still zeroing on the details. I used seers to
observe sleeping people and this is what we observed. The etheric
body is more relaxed and the substructures can relax giving more
ability to absorb qi. For people who don't sleep. Their cells
can't absorb qi because the substructures are not rested. I'm
still learning of the details.
>
> > I still don't know.
>
> Yes, it is obvious that you don't know.
> As a matter of fact, you don't even know what it is that you don't
> know.
If I don't know. I'd say I don't know and not pretend I know.
>
> > Everything
> > is still preliminary.
>
> And will remain so until it is rejected.
No. Until the physics of qi is derived. It's only a matter of time.
China scientists are working on it full time.
>
> > I once bought an EEG from
> > brainmaster.com but it's difficult to put the
> > electrode on the head and I didn't get the updated
> > version.
>
> What you mean is that you wasted your money because you don't have
> enough intellect to learn how to operate it.
No. It's initial construction by Tom Collura of www.brainmaster.com
Too many noises and not sensitive enough. He offered an updated one
it is super sensitive and haven't exchanged with it yet because I
lost interest in monitoring EEG in the intervening years.
>
> > Robert Beck said all the qi healers he study
> > when emitting it has alpha brain wave of 7.8 Hz.
>
> How interesting.
> What are the experimental errors on that number?
I don't know how accurate it is or even if he is saying the truth. I
don't believe in things easily until I tried it myself. Go to
www.go.com
and type "Robert Beck Schumman Resonance healers" to get some hits.
>
> > > In the latter case, what is its strength vs distance law?
> >
> > Tiller uses the antennae radiation model.
>
> Who is Tiller?
The only U.S. qi researcher working full time on it.
> What is the antennae radiation model which he uses?
His book "Science and Human Transformation" is so technical with
many equations and diagrams and I still haven't understood it all.
> Does this mean that he has narrowed the nature of the "holographic
> energy field" to being an EM field?
Ah. It's like this. There are corresponding radiations in respective
etheric and physical spaces with one forming Fourier Transform of the
other. I don't how true it is. All I can say is that a triangle shape
can focus qi spectrum and a pyramid can focus qi at the center. I
don't know if Tiller explanation represents reality. Bottomline is
shape can affect etheric expressions and he explained it is because
one is a Fourier Transform of the other.
> > I don't know.
> > When you are weak, you holo energy field is only 2-3
> > inches from your body.
>
> This would be a unique situation, in which the distance law of the
> field is dependent on the field amplitude.
Maybe.
>
> > When you are strong, the energy
> > field is bigger like 8-10 inches from your body.
>
> Is it constant, with a sharp edge to its efficacy, or does it decay
> gradually with distance.
We qi healers can measure the outer aura, inner aura, and health aura.
The outer aura are the combined output of the chakras or spinning
etheric wheels that I know are real categorically having manipulated
it for years in my and others body. The health aura are outflow of
empty qi particles coming out of the body (See my explanations of
the difference between qi particles and qi spectrum in my reply to
EL). The Inner aura is from the body etheric radiation itself.
> But hold it, this latest thought of yours does not fit in smoothly
> with antenna theory.
> How do you aquare that?
Tiller has this to say. I haven't studied it much yet. Tiller said
"From an antenna perspective. Fig 2.21 of Chapter 2 shows us that
a circular or spiral array of monopole antennas at the physical level
leads to mandala-like patterns at the etheric levels. Such patterns
have much in common with the theosophical descriptons of the chakras.
By properly phasing these monopole elements, one expects that selected
regions of the etheric mandala patterns could be made to rotate at
various frequencies. Other geometrical arrangements of monopole and
dipole elements could be utilized to generate petal-like radiation
patterns with rotating elements much like the descriptions given for
various chakras by those with the sensitivity to perceive these
centers."
Tiller book is so technical that I still haven't understood them all so
no comment for now.
>
> > What
> > we qi healers do the first thing we encounter the
> > patient is measuring the size of this energy field
> > to determine the energy level of the person.
>
> What are the transducers which you use for determining the energy
> level of the person?
Our palm chakras can sense the energy field by directly inputting our
own energy field and via nervous system couple. We can feel it. In
fact, for those qi healers who are very sensitive. They can know what
part of the finger you are pointing behind him anywhere in the body
3 inches from the surface.
> > When
> > you met a person with very low energy field,
>
> How low? sat about 6" above ground level?
Low like 2-3" from the body. Those who don't sleep for 2 days can't
absorb enough qi and they bio energy field is very low in qi energy.
This is a categorical statement.
> > all qi
> > healers would have the same scanning result of say 2-3
> > inches.
>
> But what about the result for the patient?
> Is it not a little selfish of the healer to put his own interest
above
> that of the patient (I am, of course, not referring to monetary
> affairs, since I take it for granted that your main intention is to
> fleece the patient. But please, do have some consideration for him
> during the process)
I don't get what you mean. What I'm saying is if a person hasn't slept
and has low qi energy. If he'd let qi healers check him. All qi healers
would have the same results where they measure his etheric field as
very low in energy.
>
> > This consistently is why there are hundreds
> > of doctors now using qi healing as complementary in
> > treating the patient.
>
> Would you please be so kind as to let me have a list of those who
sell
> this particular brand of snake oil in my country, so that I can take
> appropriate action to put a stop to it?
Yeah. Challenge them. Pls go visit some of them to debunk them. In
the process. You can learn the truth and even promote qi physics in
this newsgroup. Haha... Here's the web site with list of over 300
qi healing centers worldwide doing exactly as I described.
http://www.pranichealing.org/directory/usa.htm
> > That's precisely what I am trying to figure out. If I
> > knew. I won't be here asking that. All our instruments
> > can detect the physical aspect of the atoms.
>
> Which physical aspects of the atoms can your instruments detect?
> What are these physical aspects of the atoms which these instruments
> of yours can detect?
I mean your instruments can detect mostly the photons or
electromagnetic
field from the electrons. What if there are other non-em energy
coming out of the atoms. Since you don't have the instruments to
detect thes non-em energy. Then you can't know it exist. The reason
qi healers know they exist is because the human body is very advanced,
more advanced than any electronics. Photonic or electromagnetic field
in the visible range enters our eyes. Likewise, we have the subtle
body counterpart where we can detect subtle energy no physical
instruments can see yet.
> >
> > Anyway. I'll give you a clue, maybe you can figure it
> > out. When a person hold a natural crystal,
>
> A natural crystal of what?
Those in the caves existing for millions of years.
>
> What is the difference between a natural crystal and a lab grown one
> of the same kind, except that the lab grown ones are usually much
> purer and freer of flaws?
Natural crystals have very dense qi while synthetic one has none
although they both can store qi.
> I would have thought that your patient would have been dead before
you
> got him cold enough to become a Bose-Einstein condensate. And is his
> make-up not perhaps a bit too mkuch of a mixed bag of goods to ever
> achieve that (presumably) highly desirable state of affairs?
Just read this the other day "British physicist Herbert Frolich
proposed
that living system might be capable of hosting a type of Bose-Einstein
condensate based on ferroelectricity, a kind of persistent electric
polarization analogous to the sort of permanent magnetism found in
iron. Frolich has shown that systems of high polarizability and low
elasticity have a tendency, even at room temperature, to form
quantum states that can be occupied by many "particles" at the
same time. Frolich's "particles" are not discrete entities like
electrons or protons but particlelike collective excitations of
the total system. Ferroelectric behavior has never been directly
observed in any biological system, but Frolich's hypothesis is
indirectly supported by experiments in which weak electric fields
cause a disproportionately large effect on living systems, such
as actively dividing yeast cells"
Q-on
Mark Palenik
> Franz Heymann wrote:
>
> > > The energy field
> > > holographic property
> >
> > What is an "energy field"?
>
> Energy and field each denote a physical description. Since qi physics
> is futuristic physis, there are no standard terms yet so they kinda
> combine the two becoming "energy field"... hence the qi physics
> definition of energy field is "A region of space characterized by a
> non-physical energy property having a determinable value (qi density)
> at every point in the region."
That's called an energy density, not an energy field - or at least, it would
be, if any of this were more than pseudo physics.
Does this mean that the "energy field" is equal to k/2*Q^2, where Q is the
real qi field? If you don't even know why I would jokingly suggest that,
you have no business discussing any of this.
>
> >
> > > is dynamic. Maybe standing wave
> > > of some kind?? I don't know.
> >
> > How can you then tell whether it is, or is ot, a holographic field?
> > Have you ever performed any quantitative observations on its
> > osillation amplitude?
>
> It's non-local holographic field that has vibration characteristics.
What's that supposed to mean?
> Seers have determined it throughout centuries describing it has
> vibrations
> just like my seer friends. It's oscillation amplitude is variable.
Is it produced by oscillating atoms? If so, is there some kind of gauge
symmetry between the qi field and an associated qi-magnetic field? If
there's no associated qi-magnetic field, how do you preserve Lorentz
invarience?
> Since space has similar holographic property either via Bohm
> holomovement
> or the fact the Aether is holographic in nature.
What Aether?
>I can get access to your holographic energy field via space holographic
field wherever you
> are in the planet and affect your bio holo field.
Prove it.
> In medieval times.
> This is called Sorcery. For maximum effect, independent holographic
> based etheric entities have to be called upon to cause maximum damage
> that you can feel immediately. In medieval times, this is called
> "spells". I know this is true because we qi healers can heal the
> damaged bioetheric body of the victim. I have seen such damages and
> have even inflicted it on others accidentally. This is a categorical
> statement and not guess works. All 400 qi centers worldwide are
> knowledgeable in this (addresses of all below).
>
I dare you to try to inflict "qi" damage on me.
> > > I once discussed this with an indian oncologist who
> > > came to Phils to learn pranic healing. He said the
> > > vibration is 7.8 hz or the schumann resonance
> >
> > How did he measure this frequency?
> > What is the schumann resonance?
>
> The indian oncologist just told me but doesn't mean I believe him. He
> said the etheric body are caused by the monopoles inside atoms
> communicating
What kind of monopoles and how do they communicate?
> with each other at 7.8Hz. When I inquired this with an EMF group. We
> determine there is no data that can ride in that slow vibration so
> I conclude he is in error. Of course I'd appreciate it if someone
> can explain how 7.8Hz can still be usable as communicating frequency
> using what EL called Superposition (of what? EL?))
Superposition of fields. . .
You can use any frequency you want to communicate - it's just a matter of
how much bandwidth you get and how much noise there is. You could send a
digital signal at 7.8Hz if you wanted - you just might get a lot of
interference.
>
> About Schumann Resonance. It is the electromagnetic pulses from
> lightning
> travelling around the world between surface and ionosphere caused by
> average of 200 lightning strikes taking place every second.
And this has what to do with qi?
> >
> At this point. I'm using Tiller theory pending a more solid one.
What is "Tiller theory"?
> He said etheric frequency is superluminal versus the matter subluminal.
How can you have a superluminal frequency? Frequency and velocity are two
different things. Frequency is not a measure of speed.
> Deltron particles from 9D couple the two together.
What are you talking about?
> Normal light has
> photonic and magnetoelectric property mediated by deltron coupling.
You have no idea what any of those words mean, do you? Light is
electromagnetic radiation which is quantized into energy packets. There's
no "deltron coupling", whatever that means.
> When he puts a prism in the path of light. There is a index of
> refraction above 1 (for normal light) and below 1 (for etheric
> light)
How do you measure "etheric light" and what is it?
>and also spectrum for the deltron particles producing a total
> of 3 separate spectrums.
And how does he "see" these spectra?
> > Yes, it is obvious that you don't know.
> > As a matter of fact, you don't even know what it is that you don't
> > know.
>
> If I don't know. I'd say I don't know and not pretend I know.
The problem is, you think you know something, when in fact, you don't know
anything.
>
> >
> > > Everything
> > > is still preliminary.
> >
> > And will remain so until it is rejected.
>
> No. Until the physics of qi is derived. It's only a matter of time.
> China scientists are working on it full time.
Let's hope they're not wasting their time in such futile pursuits. They
must be real idiots, too, if they don't even know what field energy density
is.
>
> >
> > Does this mean that he has narrowed the nature of the "holographic
> > energy field" to being an EM field?
>
> Ah. It's like this. There are corresponding radiations in respective
> etheric and physical spaces with one forming Fourier Transform of the
> other.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you? A fourier
transform transforms a signal into sinusoidal components. EM radiation can
be written as the sum of sinusoidal functions. The fourier transform of EM
radiation breaks it into the sum of waves of different frequencies. It's as
simple as that. No "ehteric spaces" or any such nonsense.
> I don't how true it is. All I can say is that a triangle shape
> can focus qi spectrum and a pyramid can focus qi at the center. I
> don't know if Tiller explanation represents reality. Bottomline is
> shape can affect etheric expressions and he explained it is because
> one is a Fourier Transform of the other.
That made no sense whatsoever.
>
>
> > > I don't know.
> > > When you are weak, you holo energy field is only 2-3
> > > inches from your body.
> >
> > This would be a unique situation, in which the distance law of the
> > field is dependent on the field amplitude.
>
> Maybe.
Not maybe. If you actually meant what you said, then this would be true.
However, this seems incredibly unlikely.
>
> >
> > > When you are strong, the energy
> > > field is bigger like 8-10 inches from your body.
> >
> > Is it constant, with a sharp edge to its efficacy, or does it decay
> > gradually with distance.
>
> We qi healers can measure the outer aura, inner aura, and health aura.
> The outer aura are the combined output of the chakras or spinning
> etheric wheels that I know are real categorically having manipulated
> it for years in my and others body. The health aura are outflow of
> empty qi particles coming out of the body (See my explanations of
> the difference between qi particles and qi spectrum in my reply to
> EL). The Inner aura is from the body etheric radiation itself.
Are you or are you not saying that the field just suddenly stops 8-10 inches
away from the body, for no apparent reason? Real fields don't do this.
They have a strength vs. distance law, like 1/r^2 - a proportionality factor
that makes sense, physically, since the surface area of a sphere increases
as r^2. If you can't see why that makes sense, again, you have no business
posting anything on fields. Of course, that's not to say that every field
has to fall off as 1/r^2, but just suddenly ending at 8-10 inches from the
body doesn't really make sense.
>
> >
> > > What
> > > we qi healers do the first thing we encounter the
> > > patient is measuring the size of this energy field
> > > to determine the energy level of the person.
> >
> > What are the transducers which you use for determining the energy
> > level of the person?
>
> Our palm chakras can sense the energy field by directly inputting our
> own energy field and via nervous system couple. We can feel it. In
> fact, for those qi healers who are very sensitive. They can know what
> part of the finger you are pointing behind him anywhere in the body
> 3 inches from the surface.
What?
>
> > > When
> > > you met a person with very low energy field,
> >
> > How low? sat about 6" above ground level?
>
> Low like 2-3" from the body. Those who don't sleep for 2 days can't
> absorb enough qi and they bio energy field is very low in qi energy.
> This is a categorical statement.
>
> > > all qi
> > > healers would have the same scanning result of say 2-3
> > > inches.
> >
> > But what about the result for the patient?
> > Is it not a little selfish of the healer to put his own interest
> above
> > that of the patient (I am, of course, not referring to monetary
> > affairs, since I take it for granted that your main intention is to
> > fleece the patient. But please, do have some consideration for him
> > during the process)
>
> I don't get what you mean. What I'm saying is if a person hasn't slept
> and has low qi energy. If he'd let qi healers check him. All qi healers
> would have the same results where they measure his etheric field as
> very low in energy.
>
Gee, you don't think they might just notice that he's tired? It doesn't
take qi to figure that out.
>
> > > That's precisely what I am trying to figure out. If I
> > > knew. I won't be here asking that. All our instruments
> > > can detect the physical aspect of the atoms.
> >
> > Which physical aspects of the atoms can your instruments detect?
> > What are these physical aspects of the atoms which these instruments
> > of yours can detect?
>
> I mean your instruments can detect mostly the photons or
> electromagnetic
> field from the electrons. What if there are other non-em energy
> coming out of the atoms.
Like gravitational energy? Yeah, but it's really small.
> Since you don't have the instruments to
> detect thes non-em energy. Then you can't know it exist. The reason
> qi healers know they exist is because the human body is very advanced,
> more advanced than any electronics. Photonic or electromagnetic field
> in the visible range enters our eyes. Likewise, we have the subtle
> body counterpart where we can detect subtle energy no physical
> instruments can see yet.
No you don't.
> > >
> > > Anyway. I'll give you a clue, maybe you can figure it
> > > out. When a person hold a natural crystal,
> >
> > A natural crystal of what?
>
> Those in the caves existing for millions of years.
What kind of crystal? There are millions of crystals that have been
existing in caves for millions of years. Will an amethyst do?
>
> >
> > What is the difference between a natural crystal and a lab grown one
> > of the same kind, except that the lab grown ones are usually much
> > purer and freer of flaws?
>
> Natural crystals have very dense qi while synthetic one has none
> although they both can store qi.
And just why would that be?
>
> > I would have thought that your patient would have been dead before
> you
> > got him cold enough to become a Bose-Einstein condensate. And is his
> > make-up not perhaps a bit too mkuch of a mixed bag of goods to ever
> > achieve that (presumably) highly desirable state of affairs?
>
> Just read this the other day "British physicist Herbert Frolich
> proposed
> that living system might be capable of hosting a type of Bose-Einstein
> condensate based on ferroelectricity, a kind of persistent electric
> polarization analogous to the sort of permanent magnetism found in
> iron.
You don't know what a bose-einstein condensate is, do you?
> Frolich has shown that systems of high polarizability and low
> elasticity have a tendency, even at room temperature, to form
> quantum states that can be occupied by many "particles" at the
> same time.
And he claims that fermions can do this, or what?
> Frolich's "particles" are not discrete entities like
> electrons or protons but particlelike collective excitations of
> the total system.
"Particles" of what, then?
>Ferroelectric behavior has never been directly
> observed in any biological system, but Frolich's hypothesis is
> indirectly supported by experiments in which weak electric fields
> cause a disproportionately large effect on living systems, such
> as actively dividing yeast cells"
I don't see what cell division has to do with ferroelectricity.
Franz Heymann
> Franz Heymann wrote:
Thanks for the word salad.
[snip]
bryan...@yahoo.com
... ad
infinitum.
Q-on
About your inquiries like monopoles and how they communicate
and superluminal frequency and proposed deltron particles in
normal component of light, their gauge symmetry as well as fourier
transform of etheric and normal matter. Pls. see the following
url for complete details with many diagrams and equations where
the author discussed
everything you mentioned. You need to read it first before we discussed
about it so you'd know the basic as
the original author implied. Tiller started searching for the
physics of qi decades ago and this is what the came up:
http://www.tillerfoundation.com/science.html
Look. I'm looking for theoretical models to explain qi physics
which I'm sure exist and can prove it to you in due time. And I'll
only junk any theoretical model if experimental data doesn't
support it. What I'm doing now is making a proper setup of prisms
where I'll use seers this weekend to see the etheric component of
light with refractive index less than than unity (rememberg that
normal light dispersion spectrum characteristic has refractive index
greater than 1). If my seers subject can detect these etheric
component of light. Then I'll sing Tiller etheric model. If I
can't detect it no matter what setup. Then I'll have to junk majority
of Tiller theoretical foundation of qi. And have to search elsewhere.
My second candidate of theoretical qi model is one by La violette
in his Subquantum Kinetics which is Ether based (while Tiller is
Vacuum based). Now let me reply to you below concerning the
other points you raised not related to Tiller stuff. Note that
I'm only using Tiller stuff as temporary theoretical model pending
more scrutiny and verification. Qi physics is precision science.
> >
> > Energy and field each denote a physical description. Since qi
physics
> > is futuristic physis, there are no standard terms yet so they kinda
> > combine the two becoming "energy field"... hence the qi physics
> > definition of energy field is "A region of space characterized by a
> > non-physical energy property having a determinable value (qi
density)
> > at every point in the region."
>
> That's called an energy density, not an energy field - or at least,
it would
> be, if any of this were more than pseudo physics.
That's to differentiate between dumb "energy density" and
intelligent "energy field". Which is more euphonious. Human
Energy Field or Human Energy Density. Anyway. Tiller used
the word "Energy Density" in his descriptions of the aura.
Maybe we have to call it "Human Dynamic Energy Density"?
> Does this mean that the "energy field" is equal to k/2*Q^2, where Q
is the
> real qi field? If you don't even know why I would jokingly suggest
that,
> you have no business discussing any of this.
I don't know if the energy density formula applies to this non-linear
qi physics. But if Tiller is right that radiation characteristics
of antennaes explain it. It may be valid. He mentions about energy
density in his technical book "Science and Human Transformation".
One of few books about qi physics written in the U.S.
> > Seers have determined it throughout centuries describing it has
> > vibrations
> > just like my seer friends. It's oscillation amplitude is variable.
>
> Is it produced by oscillating atoms? If so, is there some kind of
gauge
> symmetry between the qi field and an associated qi-magnetic field?
If
> there's no associated qi-magnetic field, how do you preserve Lorentz
> invarience?
I'm still trying to understand how the atoms produced it all or
whether the phenomenon is like semiconduction which is the result
of collective or macro states. Also know the difference between
qi spectrum and qi particles as we qi healers perceived them. There
is a hidden magnetic field relation to it all and Tiller explained
it in the url I shared above. But if he is wrong. Perhaps other
mechanisms is at play like the magnetic field from rotating
magnetic vortex of Thomsonian Aether units (provided he can
perfect his model from the present preliminary and erroneous
state). Also know that qi spectrum is unlike anything physics has
known because physical shapes can interact with qi spectrum
itself. The mere triangle shape can interact with qi spectrum
and a pyramid can focus qi spectrum at the center. I'm trying
to find an explanation for this. Tiller has this to say. I
don't know if it is true pending more scrutiny. Tiller said
"In Chapter 2 we learned that the two companion 4-spaces
wherein physical and etheric substances function are duals or
conjugates of each other. In this case, the complementary material
forms or geometrical shapes hold a type of inverse relationship,
one to the other. In particular, for a fixed physical shape in the
3-D part of positive space-time, its complementary etheric shape is
just the Fourier Transform in its 3 -D part of inverse space-time
with the frequencies kicked up to a higher octave. Thus, shape
is an important quality of any object! Since planar geometrical
physical patterns are essentially 2-D shapes, they have
complementary or conjugate etheric shapes which are just the 2 -D
Fourier Transforms (see chapter 2 appendix). In certain cases,
the shapes and patterns seem to form a relatively efficient
resonant system for energy transfer between domains."
>
> > Since space has similar holographic property either via Bohm
> > holomovement
> > or the fact the Aether is holographic in nature.
>
> What Aether?
Supposed there is an Aether like Lorentz Aether Theory. Or
supposing the Aether is like liquid and attracted to the earth
producing null results in MMX aether experiment. I still am not
which what is the case.
>
> >I can get access to your holographic energy field via space
holographic
> field wherever you
> > are in the planet and affect your bio holo field.
>
> Prove it.
It's called black magic. You can setup up substances in cultures
in labs in US and I can send qi spectrum from the Phils that can
alter the characteristics of the substances. This is better than
making you sick. The mechanism is that the holographic field is
simply transfered via Bohm implicate order to your field. This
is located to the non-local properties in QM like Alain Aspect
experiment. Understanding one can make you understand the
other. I'm still not sure of the exact mechanism. I don't know
if qi spectrum from my palm is translated half the world away
at a distance or there is a representation of qi spectrum in
your room with the characteristics I conveyed via my mind
(which has 9D component according to Tiller that's how we can
affect matter).
>
> > In medieval times.
> > This is called Sorcery. For maximum effect, independent holographic
> > based etheric entities have to be called upon to cause maximum
damage
> > that you can feel immediately. In medieval times, this is called
> > "spells". I know this is true because we qi healers can heal the
> > damaged bioetheric body of the victim. I have seen such damages and
> > have even inflicted it on others accidentally. This is a
categorical
> > statement and not guess works. All 400 qi centers worldwide are
> > knowledgeable in this (addresses of all below).
> >
>
> I dare you to try to inflict "qi" damage on me.
It's called black magic. It's like driving a car and having
the power to hit the pedestrians. Also there seem to be
higher law in the holographic higher implicate order domain
which produces this thing called "Karma". Abuse the power
and the universe got back at you. If I can get evidence there
is no higher law at work and no karma. Then I'll use black
magic at will. Anyway. In the following china qi experiment.
Non-local propagation of qi experiment was done too and the
characteristic noted:
http://www.accessv.com/~yuan/yansci/time/2002_YanXin_Qigong_JSE.pdf
> > The indian oncologist just told me but doesn't mean I believe him.
He
> > said the etheric body are caused by the monopoles inside atoms
> > communicating
>
> What kind of monopoles and how do they communicate?
He is using Tiller model sa I realized in the years passed after
he mentioned it and after reading Tiller work.
>
> > with each other at 7.8Hz. When I inquired this with an EMF group.
We
> > determine there is no data that can ride in that slow vibration so
> > I conclude he is in error. Of course I'd appreciate it if someone
> > can explain how 7.8Hz can still be usable as communicating
frequency
> > using what EL called Superposition (of what? EL?))
>
> Superposition of fields. . .
> You can use any frequency you want to communicate - it's just a
matter of
> how much bandwidth you get and how much noise there is. You could
send a
> digital signal at 7.8Hz if you wanted - you just might get a lot of
> interference.
Hmm... Since we are immersed in schummann resonance since the
beginning of earth history. I wonder if our evolution has made
use of it in our organism like timing clock or something.
> >
> > About Schumann Resonance. It is the electromagnetic pulses from
> > lightning
> > travelling around the world between surface and ionosphere caused
by
> > average of 200 lightning strikes taking place every second.
>
> And this has what to do with qi?
I'm wondering if the qi spectrum can be entrained by this schumann
resonance.
> > He said etheric frequency is superluminal versus the matter
subluminal.
>
> How can you have a superluminal frequency? Frequency and velocity
are two
> different things. Frequency is not a measure of speed.
Read the Tiller URL I shared above. Normal matter share space/time
domain while etheric matter beyond c is in frequency domain.
>
> > Deltron particles from 9D couple the two together.
>
> What are you talking about?
The above Tiller site illustrates it. My coming prism experiment
will validate or invalidate it. This is the url again in case you
missed it:
http://www.tillerfoundation.com/science.html
>
> > Normal light has
> > photonic and magnetoelectric property mediated by deltron coupling.
>
> You have no idea what any of those words mean, do you? Light is
> electromagnetic radiation which is quantized into energy packets.
There's
> no "deltron coupling", whatever that means.
Of course I know. The "deltron coupling" is just a Tiller addition
pending confirmation or rejection by the prism tests.
>
> > When he puts a prism in the path of light. There is a index of
> > refraction above 1 (for normal light) and below 1 (for etheric
> > light)
>
> How do you measure "etheric light" and what is it?
See the url for extreme details.
>
> >and also spectrum for the deltron particles producing a total
> > of 3 separate spectrums.
>
> And how does he "see" these spectra?
He uses a dozen seers. Our body is the ultimate machine which
can all nature has to offer. Our eyes can detect elecromagnetic
field in the visible range. Our etheric senses can detect etheric
stuff. If there are non-em energy that science can't detect, only
humans can detect them owing to the superquality of our body beating
any computer or machine...
>
> > No. Until the physics of qi is derived. It's only a matter of time.
> > China scientists are working on it full time.
>
> Let's hope they're not wasting their time in such futile pursuits.
They
> must be real idiots, too, if they don't even know what field energy
density
> is.
I don't know much about China qi physicists. If Tiller stuff is BS.
I'll have to pry into china qi researches in details. Hope their
scientists are as creative as US scientists.
>
> You don't know what the hell you're talking about, do you? A fourier
> transform transforms a signal into sinusoidal components. EM
radiation can
> be written as the sum of sinusoidal functions. The fourier transform
of EM
> radiation breaks it into the sum of waves of different frequencies.
It's as
> simple as that. No "ehteric spaces" or any such nonsense.
See the Tiller URL shared many times above for the exact details of it
all. Let's discuss it after you have read the site. It's very
unconventional because qi physics is very unconventional because
it is beyond current physics. It is one step next to Quantum
Mechanics. Qi and etheric physics will be the next scientific
revolution coming soon.
> > We qi healers can measure the outer aura, inner aura, and health
aura.
> > The outer aura are the combined output of the chakras or spinning
> > etheric wheels that I know are real categorically having
manipulated
> > it for years in my and others body. The health aura are outflow of
> > empty qi particles coming out of the body (See my explanations of
> > the difference between qi particles and qi spectrum in my reply to
> > EL). The Inner aura is from the body etheric radiation itself.
>
> Are you or are you not saying that the field just suddenly stops 8-10
inches
> away from the body, for no apparent reason? Real fields don't do
this.
> They have a strength vs. distance law, like 1/r^2 - a proportionality
factor
> that makes sense, physically, since the surface area of a sphere
increases
> as r^2. If you can't see why that makes sense, again, you have no
business
> posting anything on fields. Of course, that's not to say that every
field
> has to fall off as 1/r^2, but just suddenly ending at 8-10 inches
from the
> body doesn't really make sense.
There is a distinct line where it cuts off abruptly. It's not normal
field where it does so slowly like magnetic field. It's like a force
field of some kind. We called it etheric web. What many qi healers
do is welding the holes or disorders of this etheric body where
the holes cause the qi to escape making the person very weak and
sick. When you have extreme rage or anger for example. Holes are
produced in the aura or energy field and qi can escape. What we
do is emit a certain qi spectrum that can knit them etherically
or energically. Call it Etheric Surgery if there is such a term.
We are Etheric Doctors. I still don't know if we are dealing
with a special characteristics of Vaccuum and Dirac Sea of
electrons, etc. or is it Aether based.
> > Our palm chakras can sense the energy field by directly inputting
our
> > own energy field and via nervous system couple. We can feel it. In
> > fact, for those qi healers who are very sensitive. They can know
what
> > part of the finger you are pointing behind him anywhere in the body
> > 3 inches from the surface.
>
> What?
If I got mad for example. I can feel my etheric field becoming
chaotic and I have to transfer the negative ethers in my body
to salt water and putting clean ethers or qi or whatever it
ultimately is. This is what we so called pranic healers do with
offices in all countries. See the following for addresses. Go
visit them if you have time and understand what they do and
try to debunk them if you can. You can't because it's true
based on my own experiences. Try it yourself:
http://www.pranichealing.org/directory/usa.htm
> > I don't get what you mean. What I'm saying is if a person hasn't
slept
> > and has low qi energy. If he'd let qi healers check him. All qi
healers
> > would have the same results where they measure his etheric field as
> > very low in energy.
> >
>
> Gee, you don't think they might just notice that he's tired? It
doesn't
> take qi to figure that out.
No. The person can pretend to be full of energy but when you
measure their energy body, the qi is so lacking and the energy
field or energy density or whatever it is so low. And this is
a categoerical statement. I'm 100% sure about it.
> >
> > Those in the caves existing for millions of years.
>
> What kind of crystal? There are millions of crystals that have been
> existing in caves for millions of years. Will an amethyst do?
Many years ago. I bought $1000 worth of crystals of different
kinds, from Amethyst to rose quartz, etc. When you hold such
quark. Your entire energy field or density got double in size.
Know any principles that can do it?? I've experimented with it
for a couple of years extensively. The bad thing about crystals
is they only activate your lower chakra or auric field such that
your lower aura would be more activated resulting in your lower
part of the body more activated. Not good for those developing
the higher quality of the mind. Also those sick people would
get worse using crystals because it can amplify all their dirty
qi state. I have a friend who got many holes in his energy field
or aura by pointing the crystals in his chakras to make them
bigger. A claivoyant who see him the next day who doesn't know
anything he does suddenly exclaimed if he has been shots with
etheric bullets or something because his etheric body has so
many holes. Normal qi scanning can determine it. Anyway. Here's
a good pranic healing web site which details about this aura
or etheric body or holographic energy field or energy density,
etc. I used many terms pending the proper terms developed when
the physics of qi is derived.
http://www.pranichealing.com.au/htmlpages/auras.htm
> > Natural crystals have very dense qi while synthetic one has none
> > although they both can store qi.
>
> And just why would that be?
Natural crystals are exposed to ambient qi spectrum for millions
of years. The earth also distribute the qi spectrum all around
the earth giving rise to this so called Feng Shui or arrangement
of furniture, houses, etc. to make the certain sides be optimum
to the inflowing qi spectrum all around the planet, the so called
leylines.
About Einstein Bose Condensates in biological system proposed
by Frolich. Don't know much about it. Maybe it's BS. Qi physics
is more complicated than it and applying Standard Model or
squeezing every ounce of it to explain qi may become absurd
at a certain point in time.
Q-on
Q-on
http://www.pbase.com/image/40276371/original
(Table 8.6 Proposed Maxwellian Equations for Etheric matter)
http://www.pbase.com/image/40276407/original
(Table 8.5 Amended Maxwell's Equations with Symmetry Parameters)
http://www.pbase.com/image/40276417/original
(Table 8.4 The Classical Maxwells Equations)
Guys, Debunkers. Pls. attack this message on theoretical
grounds. Three Scientists attempted to make the Standard
Model a subset of their enhanced model that can explain
most of what I've experienced in qi related matter, etc.
The following are the exact details of how the atoms are
connected to the holographic energy field according to 3 Ph.Ds
researchers. I'm sorry I didn't notice it before. It's in another
book called The Emergence of a New Physics (Conscious Act of
Creation) by 3 Ph.Ds. William A Tiller Ph.D. Walter E. Dibble Jr,
Ph.D and Michael J. Kohane, Ph.D that I just got from my library
which I forgot to read because I was focusing on Tiller 1st book.
Inside I found what I'm seeking for... their main mechanism
of how exactly the holographic energy field (which they
called magnetoelectric substance mediated by magnetic monopoles)
is connected to the atoms. I shared the following for scrutiny
(and debunking using theoretical reasonings). I also include urls
of formulas of enhanced Maxwellian equations for this magnetic
monopole based superluminal realm which involves the de Broglie
pilot waves existing beyond C with a coupling mechanism that
connects below and above C. Note Born and Schroedinger gave the
current interpretations of QM but in 1920s, prior to that de
Broglie proposed the concept that every particle had a pilot
wave envelope enclosing it and moving at the particle's velocity.
The following are the exact details of the 3 Ph.Ds. with regards
to how the atoms is connected to the energy field via an enhanced
Maxwellian mechanism (pls refer to the urls above for Table
8.4-8.6. I'll continue commenting after the article. See also
)
William A Tiller Ph.D. Walter E. Dibble Jr, Ph.D and Michael J.
Kohane, Ph.D. wrote: (For scrutiny)
"This concept required some new wave components to move into the
envelope and some old wave components to move out as the envelope
moved along. If we call the particle velocity, Vp, and the
velocity of the individual wave components Vw, then relativity
theory requires that the following relationship hold (see
Appendix 2.B for the derivations)
Vp Vw = C ^ 2
where C is the velocity of light. Since Vp < C always, Vw must be
> C always and these waves were denoted "information" waves in
order to not make trouble for relativity theory. Subsequent
experiments showed that particles like neutrons, protons,
electrons, helium atoms, etc., all exhibited wave-like behavior
and de Broglie received a Nobel prize for his seminal work.
Depending upon the design of a particular experiment, the results
showed either particle-like or wave-like behavior so that this
simultaneous particle/wave concept of de Broglie's was
incorporated into QM as wave/particle dualily and came to mean
either/or rather than both for many physicists.
Here, in this book, we firmly return to the original concept of
nature expressing itself simultaneously via its particle aspect
and it's wave aspect and ask how we might formally express this
without losing one aspect or the other. Long experience with the
particle aspect has shown us that distance-time or (x,y,z, ict) -
space, which we can call direct space or D-space, is a
satisfactory coordinate system for describing the behavior of
this aspect of substance. We have also used this coordinate
system for d escribing wave motion, even though the waves of our
cognitive experience are merely modulations of particle fluxes or
particle densities in space-time. It is probably the
misinterpreting of this class of particle modulation wave with
the de Broglie pilot wave that caused QM's founding fathers to
confine the theory to a purely (x,y,z,t) -formalism. The de
Broglie pilot wave is thought to be a waveform of a much more
continuum nature than particle modulation waves.
A Biconformal Base-space Approach
A more appropriate coordinate system for describing de Broglie -
type waves is a reciprocal space or R-space system, (x^
-1,y^-1,z^-1,t^-1). Each of these coordinates is a frequency;
1/distance equals number per unit distance or a spatial frequency
and 1/time equals number per unit time or a temporal frequency.
In solid state physics, wave behavior in R-space is described
using a wave number, (kx, ky, kz, kt), descriptor (each k(alpha),
=2pij/alpha where alpha = x,y,z,int and the quality indicator, j,
may be different than i). Thus, although it is not wrong to
describe both the particle aspect and the de Broglie wave aspect
in terms (x,y,z,ict) - space, as is done in QM, it entangles the
two aspects in a very complex fashion and leads directly to the
QM-black box nature. For this reason, a better approach would be
to keep the particle aspect and the wave aspect separate, using
the D-space coordinate system for the one and the Rspace coordi
nate system for th e other. Following this approach, any formal
description of substance behavior would involve at least the
eight coordinates (x, y, z, ict, kx, ky, kz, kt). However, since
Vp < C and Vw > C, the two aspects cannot directly interact with
each other because of relativity theory; therefore it is
necessary to invent the presence of an additional substance that
is rot constrained by relativity theory, because these two
aspects clearly interact in the de Broglie particle/pilot wave
picture. This will he more fully explained in Chapters 7 and 8.
The moieties of this coupling substance are thought to be from
the domain of emotion and have been labeled deltrons, by one of
us. This means that any formal description of substance behavior
in nature, without any human intervention, involves at least 9
coordinates (x, y, z, ict; kX1 kyl kzl kt; C(alpha) where
C(alpha0) is the cosmic background activated deltron
concentration. When human intervention, via human consciousness
in the form of the application of human intentionality acts on
nature, one must ad d at least one more coordinate to any
meaningful description of nature. Thus, formal description of
nature, which includes human intention, involves at least ten
coordinates (x, y, z, ict; kx, ky, kz, kt; C(alpha); I*) where I*
represents the intensity of human intention and it influences the
magnitude of C(alpha) (Chapter 8 is devoted to showing how
particles, expressing themselves in the dual 4-spaces, interact
with each other).
(snip)
Because of the conceptual separation of physical substance into
D-space and R-space aspects with descriptors separated into
(x,y,z,t) - vs (kx,ky,kz,kt) - behavior, the de Broglie
particle/pilot wave concept of Figure 2.1 needs to be expanded to
express a moving particle at the instantaneous location
(x',y',z',t') in D-space and its connected pilot wave at the
specific location (k'x,k'y,k'z,k't) in R-space. This alteration
will be developed more fully in Chapter 8. Here, we merely seed
the new picture for the reader and utilize Figure 2.4 to
concretize it somewhat. The implication is that that particle
event in D-space is intimately and lawfully connected to the
pilot wave event in R-space. From this, the reader can begin to
qualitatively see how R-space wave events can influence remote
D-space particle events (see Chapter 8)
Electromagnetism (EM) and Magnetoelectrism (ME): The classical
Maxwell equations of EM that one can find in thousands of
textbooks on the subject are given in Table 8.4. From the top
down, these are the representations, respectively, of the
experimentally determined laws of Gauss, Faraday, Coulomb and
Ampere. The gauge symmetry for this system of fields is U(1)
Gauge and its algebra is Abelian; i.e., the commutation law for
two such fields X and Y is
[X,Y] = X Y - Y X = 0.
This is to be compared with non-Abelian algebra where one has
Maxwellian electrodynamics is generally thought to be one of the
most elegant and perfect theories in physics. However, towards
the end of the last century, many began to realize that there
were several flaws inherent in its Iinear structure.
It is well known that nature generally displays properties of
symmetry (when looked at from the proper reference frame).
Surprisingly, although magnetism is a physical observable, it
does not observationally manifest as a monopole but only as a
dipolar quality. This is inherent in the "source free"
implication of Equation (1) in Table 8.4. Although 20th century
science looked long and hard for these magnetic monopoles, no
satisfactory experimental evidence has been found to reveal their
physical existence. As might be expected, this has not totally
deterred some individuals from incorporating these moieties into
their theoretical considerations. Harmuth, while attempting to
calculate transient EM behavior from antennae, showed that the
Maxwell's Equations of Table 8.4 fail for waves with
non-negligible losses because of singularities encountered in the
course of the calculation. However the equations succeed when a
magnetic current density (moving magnetic monopoles) is
introduced into the equation set and th en shrunk to zero when
one has reached the last singularity (but not before). As one
other example among many, Seiberg and Witten found that, in the
four dimensional quantum field theory, supersymmetry, certain key
mathematical singularities could be eliminated by introducing
magnetic monopoles. They were able to show that the magnetic
monopoles became massless right when the equations, in the
absence of these monopoles, explode to infinity.
Barrett may have cleared up the dilemma by pointing out that the
Maxwell equation Gauge symmetry is of the U(1) form when only
electric charge and electric currents are present hut is of the
more complex SU(2) form when magnetic charges and currents are
also present. U(1) fields are known to have fewer local degrees
of freedom than SUP fields and SUP fields can he transformed into
U(1) fields by the process of symmetry breaking. However, after
symmetry breaking, only some topological charges are conserved;
electric charge is conserved while magnetic charge is not.
Harmuth's amended Maxwell's equations and Barrett's identity
relationships between the SU(2) symmetry and the U(1) symmetry
are shown in Table 8.5.
When we turn, now, to a D-space/deltron/R-space frame of
reference and a partially conditioned locale, we must expect
something very close to that shown in Table 8.6 to hold,
following the notation of Table 8.5. Because this new approach is
still a work in progress, it is more illustrative than exact
(particularly the R-space component). It is the degree of
conditioning that determines the magnitude of the coupling
parameters alpha(d), alpha ' (d), alpha(r) and alpha ' (r). As a
pathway to solving this set of equations and to gaining some
understanding of Table 8.6, we first recognize that (Ed, Hd) come
from solving the equations of Table 8.4 for the fully uncoupled
condition (s et alpha d = alpha ' d = 0). Likewise, (Er, Hr)
comes fro mthe analogous set of fully uncoupled R-space equations
(set alpha (r) = alpha ' (r) = 0). Thus, for any values of alpha
d, alpha ' d, alpha r and alpha ' r not equal to zero we can, in
principle, calculate i(Er), i(Hr), i(Ed), and i(Hd) so that an
internally self-consistent set of E, H, E and H can be determined
by an iterative procedure. This set yields what we have
heretofore called augmented electromagnetism involving the use of
IIED's. One of us has already speculated on the possibility that
the (E,H) set yields Qi If this supposition is correct then, just
as the broad EM spectrum provides us with a connection between
many seemingly diverse phenomena, the overall ME spectrum may do
likewise for the many forms of Qi. (q-on note; Tiller is not
referring to the "qi" in his Qi here)
As a closing perspective on this section, it is important to
recognize that a variety of other investigators have also used
higher dimensional frameworks as base spaces for the expression
of nature's laws . The closest one of these to the model utilized
in this book is that utilized by Wheeler mentioned in Chapter 7
(see page 249). The general advantage of such an approach is that
one has an additional set of uncommitted field components and
material parameters with which to rationalize heretofore
unexplain ed phenomena. In addition, one usually has a detailed
quantitative vehicle with which to match such experimental data
and one may make specific predictions as a basis for future
experiments. Only detailed experimental assessment, using clearly
defined protocols, allows one to meaningfully discriminate
between these various possibilities.
In the Inomata (13) framework, complex components were introduced
into the electric and magnetic field vectors with imaginary.
magnetic charge and current. This led to "mirror" type Maxwell
equations with one set being mathematically real and the other
set being imaginary. In the Rauscher(14) framework, an 8-space
was utilized with 4 real (x,y,z,t) and four imaginary
(x',y',z',t'). She generates longitudinal components of E and B
as a projection from the complex 8-space onto the mathematically
real 4-space. Evans on the other hand, somewhat follows Barrett
by introducing a non-Abelian gauge and also a complexification of
E and B. However, he focuses on terms of the form E +- B and
generates a longitudinal field which he calls B. He maps the U(1)
Gauge onto the 02 symmetry group, which describes rotation in a
plane (a 2-D group). He also maps the SU(2) Gauge onto the
isomorphic 03 symmetry group, which describes rotation in three
dim ensions. In refe rence 16, an entire journal issue has been
devoted to these symmetry questions, particularly as they relate
to electromagnetism.
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Back to Q-on.
The above is stretching the Standard Model of physics to its
maximum limit to explain the physics of qi without resorting to
alternative Standard Model. Notice Tiller and Ph.D. company are
attempting to turn the Standard Model into a subset. About the
deltron particles. On the surface, it may be strange. But how
else can you explain the mechanism by which a qi veteran can
attack you anywhere you are in the planet by affecting your
holographic energy field which can affect your physical body. We
qi healers treat victims of this superluminal sorcery and there
are so numerous of this in the Philippines. Look. If Tiller model
of qi physics is false. Then its possible Standard Model has a
flaw that may need perhaps an enhanced Thomsonian Aether Model,
etc. or Modified Lorentz Ether Theory, etc, But before venturing
into this search. I'd like to see how you guys can debunk Tiller
on purely theoretical grounds. BTW.. in the following qi china
experiment where substances can be altered by intention and qi.
The mechanisms proposed in the article above may be the mechanism
of interactions (pending other mechanisms in an alternative
Standard Model)
http://www.accessv.com/~yuan/yansci/time/2002_YanXin_Qigong_JSE.pdf
See also this url for Tiller stuff and his new work coming
April 2005 that can rock the foundation of physics (if his
theoretical grounds has basis in reality):
http://www.tillerfoundation.com
(BTW.. his old book "Conscious Act of Creation (Emergence of a
New Physics)" has many circuits where you can allegedly prove
that intention can affect matter thru his proposed mechanisms.
I haven't built any of the circuits for testing yet)
q-on
Q-on
To continue with the above. I forgot to include the paragraphs
about the magnetic monopoles and how they all relate. The
following paragraph is after the " <snip>" part above: (note
that these two messages answered the questions Mark asked "1. How
do the magnetic monopoles communicate? 2. What is the relationship of
electromagnetism to the energy field? 3. How are the atoms
connected to the holographic energy field?"
Tiller and 2 other Ph.D. scientists wrote:
A Higher Dimensional Framework
A diagrammatic representation of this functionality is given in
Figure 2.2. There, we see our cognitive domain that we call
physical reality in the center and a dual or conjugate 4-space
reality connected to it. In the esoteric literature, this has
been labeled "etheric reality. Here, we make the additional
postulate that the moieties that write the waves in this etheric
or (kx, ky, kz, kt) space are the magnetic monopoles. Thus, the
electric monopoles operate in direct-space while the magnetic
monopoles operate in reciprocal space with a very special type of
"mirror" relationship (not a reflection mirror) functioning
between them(2) (see Chapters 7 and 8). Via this unique mirror,
the magnetic monopoles of R-space generate magnetic dipole images
in D- space while the electric monopoles of D-space generate
electric dipole images in R-space. This leads to our normal
Maxwell equations for electromagnetism functioning in Dspace and
another set of analogous equations for magnetoelectrism
functioning in R-space . This is illustrated in Table 2. 1. We
will see later in Chapter 8, where we deal with the quantitative
physics perspective, that this procedure allows us to predict how
the non-local forces vary from point-to-point in Dspace
(space-time) via natural events occurring in R-space. Thus, this
general approach allows us to totally eliminate the thre e major
dichotomies of QM listed earlier. We will also see later in
Chapter 8 that a part of the R-space behavior is present in every
physical measurement that anyone makes so that a new definition
of what one takes to be a physical quality must eventually he
made.
Mark Palenik
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/40276371/original
> (Table 8.6 Proposed Maxwellian Equations for Etheric matter)
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/40276407/original
> (Table 8.5 Amended Maxwell's Equations with Symmetry Parameters)
>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/40276417/original
> (Table 8.4 The Classical Maxwells Equations)
>
> Guys, Debunkers. Pls. attack this message on theoretical
> grounds.
So not only did he make up equations for so called "etheric" space, but he
felt it necessarry to change the regular Maxwell's equations, which
correctly predict electromagnetic phenomena?
For example, he says that Div(B) != 0, which is demonstratably false, since
Div(B) is *always* 0.
for his "physical" equations to even be logically consistant, div(delta'*gm)
= -d/dt(deltad*pm). He never states this, but everything falls apart
without this. Now, lets construct a wave equation based on his "physical"
equations.
laplacian(E) = curl(-dB/dt - delta'*gm) = mu(d(ge)/dt + epsilon*d^2D/dt^2) +
curl(delta'*gm) or in a vacuum:
laplacian(E) = 1/c^2*d^2E/dt^2 + curl(delta'*gm)
now, he never tells us what delta' or gm are, but if it's some sort of
density, I'm betting it can be distributed in a way that has a non-zero
curl, producing the wrong wave equation.
Looking at his equations closely, he seems to think that pm should be some
sort of magnetic analog of pe, the electric charge density. What he doesn't
realize is that there's *already* a magnetic analogue of th electric charge
density. It's called j, the current density, but div(B) is not equal to j.
Then, he tried to add some sort of electric analogue to the current density
to the equations for the electric field, not realizing that there already is
such a thing, called the charge density, but it doesn't appear in the
curl(E) = -dB/dt equation.
It is very clear that he does not even begin to understand the Maxwell
equations.
Mark Palenik
to allow for monopoles that act exactly like electric charges (and then
added a bunch of other gibberish about "etherial" light). Aside from the
fact that these things aren't observed, they wouldn't be able to communicate
"Qi" any more than the electric field would.
Uncle Al
[snip crap]
> The following are the exact details of how the atoms are
> connected to the holographic energy field
[snip more crap]
> The above is stretching the Standard Model of physics to its
> maximum limit to explain the physics of qi without resorting to
> alternative Standard Model.
[snip rest of crap]
> q-on
<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.swf>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Q-on
http://www.pbase.com/qiphysics/image/40289901/original
(non_local forces mechanisms in QM as proposed by Tiller)
Can you recommend a good book about Maxwells stuff so I can
be familiar with all manner of possible manipulations of his equations?
Qi physics definitely need the alteration of Maxwellian Equations to
allow etheric coupling to em forces.
If Tiller altered equations are wrong, then let us qi
researchers search again for a right enhanced set of equations.
Anyway. Do you know how non_locality in QM can be explained?
Tiller proposed superluminal etheric realm may be behind the
non_local mechanism in QM. The following URL gives all the
non_local equations as well as the discussions of it. What do you
think?
http://www.pbase.com/qiphysics/image/40289901/original
He begins it thus:
"Non-Local Forces: One of the difficult to understand outcomes
of Quantum Mechanics (QM) is the prediction of non-local forces
or action at great distances. If the theory proposed by this
book is on an approximately correct track, one should be able
to use it to predict some measure of these non-local forces in
space-time. Let us see if this is so!
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http://www.pbase.com/qiphysics/image/40289901/original
Mark Palenik
>
> Mark Palenik wrote:
> > After looking more closely, it appears that he modified Maxwells
> equations
> > to allow for monopoles that act exactly like electric charges (and
> then
> > added a bunch of other gibberish about "etherial" light). Aside from
> the
> > fact that these things aren't observed, they wouldn't be able to
> communicate
> > "Qi" any more than the electric field would.
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/qiphysics/image/40289901/original
> (non_local forces mechanisms in QM as proposed by Tiller)
>
> Can you recommend a good book about Maxwells stuff so I can
> be familiar with all manner of possible manipulations of his equations?
Electricity & Magnetism by edward M. Purcell is good, but very expensive.
The Feynman Lectures on Physics have some good stuff on E&M in them, and
might actually be less expensive than Purcell if you're not a student, but
still >100 dollars.
Electromagnetism by Pollack&Stump is what I mostly used. It's also pretty
pricey, but has fairly decent explanations.
The Feynman Lectures is by far the most readable of the three. The other
two are textbooks and I wouldn't recommend them unless you're willing to
take a serious look at E&M. If you really want to know how things work,
you'll have to start with electrostatics and magnetostatics. Learn how E&M
fields behave, what happens in the presence of dielectric, paramagnetic,
dimagnetic, and ferromagnetic materials, and what the boundary conditions
are on fields and potentials.
Then you'll be ready to see the implications of Maxwell's equations, and how
you can get a wave equation from them. You can also find out how E&M can be
derived from moving charges and relativity.
I'm not really sure about "manipulations" of his equations, but once you
learn how and why the equations work, you'll recognize manipulations when
you see them, and probably what they do as well.
>Do you know how non_locality in QM can be explained?
Possibly, but I think there are others who are better equipped to answer
this question than I am. One of the supposedly more popular explanations
isn't my favorite.
>Tiller proposed superluminal etheric realm may be behind the
>non_local mechanism in QM.
Causality violations and no evidence to support it.
>Non-Local Forces: One of the difficult to understand outcomes
>of Quantum Mechanics (QM) is the prediction of non-local forces
>or action at great distances.
Anybody know if this is actually true or not? I haven't had enough quantum
mechanics yet to know for sure (just undergrad level), but this sounds
wrong.
BTW, Q-on, do you do standing meditation?
Q-on.
Mark Palenik wrote:
>
> Electricity & Magnetism by edward M. Purcell is good, but very
expensive.
> The Feynman Lectures on Physics have some good stuff on E&M in them,
and
> might actually be less expensive than Purcell if you're not a
student, but
> still >100 dollars.
> Electromagnetism by Pollack&Stump is what I mostly used. It's also
pretty
> pricey, but has fairly decent explanations.
Thanks for the recommendations. I may get the Feynman
later this week. I saw it mentioned so many times.
Right now my approach to qi physics is to tackle it from
the beginning of matter.. that is, the Big Bang or
equivalent. Note all of Tiller stuff is using the
Standard Model (which is related to the Big Bang
model) as foundation. If reality uses for example
Aether like Lorentz Ether Theory and the 4 fundamental
forces are effects of the Aether and not intrinsic
properties of matter and space. Then the whole Tiller
model collapses. Anyway. Here's what Tiller has to
say about Cosmological connections of his model:
"From the Level One model, a Big Bang scenario would have
the nodal network system develop in infinitesimal time
(much less than 10 ^ -35 seconds) and the etheric
(magnetic) matter agglomerating into clumpy patterns
in the frequency domain at very small times as
measured by using physical domain referents (less
than 10 ^ -35 - 10 ^ -33 seconds). Since this magnetic substance can
move at velocities up to ~ 10 ^ 10
C, it produces the precursor magnetic substance map
in the frequency domain which, via deltron coupling,
seeds the clumping tendencies for the electric
substance map in the space-time domain. Although one
tends to adopt the physical reference frame as the
origin of events about which substance in all the other
domains adjust, this is exactly backwards. Action
occurs first in the subtle domains and propagates
sequentially into the physical domain which adjusts
towards an equilibrium force balance"
-----------------
Whether it is true or not remain to be proven as well as
the primary assumption of Standard Model that space can
be curved, expanded, shrinked, etc. I'm looking for all
evidences if it is so or not. I realized Cosmology or the
beginning of the universe is a very important part of qi physics and I
will have to master it to go on in
comprehension qi physics. It is important what happened
to qi in the Big Bang or equivalent. Therefore I'll
spend the next few months in Cosmology related matter
in other groups.
About meditation. I don't meditate at all. I need to understand first
qi physics before I'd meditate again.
I can't live with contradiction practicing it and not
knowing why it works. I'm a hard data man. Qi physics comprehension can
give me this solid hold on it and
everything.
Cya,
Q-on
Kazmer Ujvarosy
"Q-on." <physic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[ .... ]
> Right now my approach to qi physics is to tackle it from
> the beginning of matter.. that is, the Big Bang or
> equivalent. Note all of Tiller stuff is using the
> Standard Model (which is related to the Big Bang
> model) as foundation. If reality uses for example
> Aether like Lorentz Ether Theory and the 4 fundamental
> forces are effects of the Aether and not intrinsic
> properties of matter and space. Then the whole Tiller
> beginning of the universe is a very important part of qi physics and I
> will have to master it to go on in
> comprehension qi physics. It is important what happened
> to qi in the Big Bang or equivalent. Therefore I'll
> spend the next few months in Cosmology related matter
> in other groups.
If you read the Theory of Everything I just posted, you'll find that our
universe has a seed origin, rather than a Big Bang origin. Also you'll find
that human life constitutes the cosmic system's input and output, similarly
as a seed constitutes the tree system's input and output -- i.e., human life
constitutes the seed or genotype of the phenotype universe. The Aether is
actually the cosmic seed's aura or electromagnetic biofield, which
holographic morphogenetic field we can see as the cosmic microwave
background (CMB) radiation, as well as the zero-point energy's quantum
vacuum. The quantum vacuum and the CMB radiation are the same, having their
common origin in the cosmic seed's biophotonic emissions, just as the rest
of the creative forces.
Kaz
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Q-on
http://www.energytoolsint.com/energy_medicine1.htm
I just found out about the above site where subtle
energy structures vs electromagnetics are neatly
drawn with diagrams. This simpler model doesn't
require the complicated Tiller superluminal magnetic
monopoles wave substance that can stretch special
relativity beyond the limit due to the inclusion of
the 'negative' mass even if its in the frequency
domain. This less complicated model uses "dark
matter" like-substance or WIMPs. The problem now is
how do you put it in the context of Maxwells Equations.
http://www.energytoolsint.com/energy_medicine1.htm
Q-on
Q-on
http://www.gizapyramid.com/russian/research.htm
The Russian Academy of Science (as detailed above)
also studies Qi. Note a triangle or pyramid shape can
focus qi from the ambient ether or vacuum. Some
scientists in Europe call "qi" Psychotronic
Energy. They make a lot of psychotronic generators
which are nothing but qi generators. We qi healers
don't use any devices because we know how to produce
the different spectrum of qi or psychotronic energy
at will (producing different results).
I just hope that Russian, European and Chinese
scientists will discover the physics of qi in
gross details and share it with mankind soon.
Qi or psychotronic physics is beyond Relativity,
Beyond Quantum Mechanics. It may even unify the
two seemingly incompatible fields.
Q-on
Q-on
Qi Physics can alleviate the suffering of over 100 million
allergy sufferers. The following is a dramatic example of how it
can occur. In the NAET (Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination
Technique) centers (www.naet.com), they fix the "energy fields"
of the patients which can reflect in the immunologic environment
of the body resulting in astonishing cure that allergists can
only dream about. I'll explain everything in detail after
sharing an account (an example of thousands) of an allergy
sufferer and how he got cured by NAET.
Dave More wrote:
"Anaphylaxis due to shellfish
I reacted severely to fish or fish products since childhood.
Whenever I ate a minute portion of fish or shellfish, my throat
closed up, I couldn't breath, i would break out with huge hives
all over my body and I ended up in the emergency room for hours
with cortisone and other emergency drugs. On a few occasions, I
had to be hospitalized for a few days. One of my friends, who was
treated by Dr. Devi for his peanut allergy, suggested that I see
her for my filethreatening fish allergy. I was curious about NAET
She treated me for all the basics before she treated me for fish
groups.
I had a severe reaction during the first treatment for fish. As
soon as she placed the clear glass vial with the energy of fish
in my hand, my hand swelled up and I broke out in red hives all
over my body. I got up from the treatment table to reach for my
adrenaline shot which I carried all the time with me. But she
stopped me. She commanded me to turn over She looked very
confident, I obeyed her and she applied firm pressure on my back,
up and down along the spine for a few times. When she finished
applyin g the acupressure along my spine, she asked me to turn on
my back. She tested my arm. I was strong. She asked me how I was
doing. I was breathing better than ever and my throat did not
feel restricted anymore. I looked at my bare arms. Red rashes
began fading a way. This is magic, I thought She was standing in
front of me with that smile of confidence, waiting for my answer.
'Better 'I said, with a sigh of relief I had to have three
combination treatments for fish (fish group, lungs, colon, spleen
a nd liver , fish group and base, fish group and heat, each on a
separate office visit). After completion of the treatments, she
told me to hold a smallportion of fish in my palm and sit for 30
minutes. I felt fine. Then she asked me to eat a smallportion of
fish. I had my adrenaline near me when I ate a piece of fish, but
nothing happened.
Ever since I was treated for fish, I eat fish at least twice a
week without any problem. This is the best discovery man (woman)
has ever made in medicine.
Dave Moore Laguna Beach, California"
------------------------ Back to Q-on.
I have similar experiences with many allergy patients, for
example, a person who can react to crabs producing hives within
minutes. Now he can eat it at will without any symptoms after
being cured by NAET. I encountered the NAET treatment center in
my country over a month ago (thanks to Bjoern) and have
investigated it closely almost everyday. With the resources of
the pranic healing centers and the many skilled healers and
clairvoyants. Here's what we learnt.
When an allergy patient is near an allergen (without physical
contact). His/her energy field can already react and be seen to
become chaotic and gets smaller by half the size from the normal
4 inches. Dr. Devi explained that energy meridian channels gets
block to prevent the allergen energy field from further spreading
inside the body. What we qi healers observed is that the chaotic
energy field is a general effect of contact or being near the
allergen repulsive energy field (or "dynamic energy density").
Now here's the details of the treatments. Whenever the NAET
practitioner use accupressure on the back of the patient (who is
holding the allergen enclosed in glass). We qi healers observed
that the energy field of the patient become normalized
(increasing in size and stability). Dr. Devi explained that by
tapping the back, energy blockages are removed and the brain is
reprogrammed to recognize the allergen as safe, hence the allergy
is cured. Well. We observed that the person who is holding the
allergen that he is repulsive beforehand has his energy field now
compatible with the energy field of the allergen. I'm still
learning the biological correlate of qi, accupressure and the
energy meridian channel mechanism (initial assessment seems to
indicate the qi meridian channels serve as waveguide of somekind
for this subtle energy from the vaccum called qi).
Now some immune system basics.
When a victim of allergy encountered an allergen, the allegen
binds with the antibody IgE in the mast cells, etc. This triggers
the release of histamine, cytokines (to activate other cells) and
other signals that result in the person allergic reaction which
can range from mild to anaphylaxis shock producing diffuculty in
breathing and death if not confined to emergency rooms as the
account above illustrated.. Let's compare this to a normal
person. The allergen (or substance) can get inside the body and
there is no reaction even if there is slight IgE produced. Their
body recognize the allergen as safe hence no trigger of body wide
immunologic response.
What makes a person immune system decide whether the allergen is
safe or not. It's the energy field which is primary defense of
the body! If the energy field reaction to the allergen is bad,
the immune system would be primed to attack it.. producing the
symptoms. If the energy field reaction to the allergen is good,
the immune system wouldn't be put in red alert. Note this energy
field works hand in hand with the body genetic profile such as
the HCC (HistoCompatibilityComplex) that regulate all the immune
housekeeping from creation and alteration of immune cells.. I
have seen a patient born allergic to all food, her energy body is
chaotic to the allergens, and she is responding well to the NAET
treatment. This means the energy field is connected to the body
biochemistry. The purpose of the energy field is in the
collective housekeeping much like radar system. This is the
function of energy field and qi that nothing else can be
attributed to cause the same function.
I'll mention about vaccines. You know in vaccines the purpose is
to activate and make you produce antibodies. But without the
"adjuvant" ingredients which is designed to trigger inflammation,
your immune system won't react to the substance and no antibodies
would be produced. But with the adjuvant, antibodies can be
created. This is because the adjuvant disturbs your energy field
(in addition to corresponding immunologic mechanism). And it is
only when the energy field is disturbed that the immune system
would response. Get this??
Allergy and the energy fields chaotic condition is the best
example of the role of energy fields in the human body. Studying
the disorder of the energy fields is the best way to understand
the function of this field. Not long ago. Someone (Bjoern) asked
me to damage his energy field to get proof about it all. You know
how damaging it can produce many indirect effects depending on
his weaknesses. It could be the triggering of allergies, the
changing of mood in a subtle way... the effect depends on each
person because it depends on your weaknesses. This is also due to
the mind and body very connected because the energy field is also
an extension of the mind and consciousness. By treating victims
of allergy. One can see the role energy field plays without
having to damage at will the energy field which can cause many
unforeseen problems.
Back to allergy and the energy field treatment. Do you know what
this all means? Do you know that officially there is no cure for
allergy as believed by the medical mainstream community due to
their not taking the energy fields into consideration in their
treatment?? The victims have to simply avoid the foods forever.
Immunotherapy doesn't work for foods such as eggs, crabs, and the
rest. The victims have to avoid the food for life! Many victims
became allergic to all food and ended up eating just rice and
salt or few fruits. Many suffer malnutritions. This is more very
uncomfortable and the social life of the person is affected for
life.
But all is not hopeless!. Because by treating the energy fields
of the victims. The allergy can be cured! This includes asthma
and countless other conditions. You know what. Qi physics can
help the lives of hundreds of millions. Is this not work studying
about? Is this not worth fighting for?? Can you just sit there
and watch the victims spend horrible lives (esp. those with power
to cause change such as bonafide physicists)?? Let's face it. Qi
physics is harder than Quantum Physics and Relativity and only
veteran physicists and those with Ph.D. can solve the physics of
qi (note qi is related to the energy fields).
When will they start doing it?? Right now. I'm hoping those few
qi and energy field researchers in the US, China, etc. can solve
it. But what if they fail?? Can you just put it under the rug for
another century... for the breakthrough or next revolution in
science to occur. Spacetime is very dynamic and not just
curvable, stretchable, etc. but it has many qualities not yet
detected by science which mainly study only the electromagnetic
portion of it. There are other non-em characteristics like the
existence of "energy field" or "dynamic energy density with
holographic representation" or whatever it ultimately will be
called.
Dozens of Nobel Prizes will be awarded to physicists who will
discover the details and mechanisms of the physics of qi. Is
Nobel Prize not worth having?? If you don't care about it. At
least think about the lives of tens of millions of allergy
victims some living with pure agony.
Q-on