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Jack Sarfatti

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Jan 28, 1993, 1:46:12 PM1/28/93
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Looking over the list of voters there are no famous (other than me)
physicists using sci.physics. I mean men like Josephson, Weinberg,
Aharonov, Chiao, Thorne, Wheeler, Gell-Mann etc.

Therefore, Matt Austern, or some one , should launch a campaign to
let them know such a new moderated conference exists. One easy way
to do this is to contact Berty Schwarzschild at Physics Today and
ask him to make an announcement.

It is particulalry important to try to get Aharonov and his students.
They are doing the most imaginative work in QM e.g. observability of
the complete wavefunction, time machines etc.

PS any one knowing of resources on internet about biophysics
including instrumentation please let me know. I need info for my
white paper for the financiers of World University.

Daniel Seeman

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Jan 28, 1993, 4:37:04 PM1/28/93
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In article <C1Kut...@well.sf.ca.us> sarf...@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
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>Looking over the list of voters there are no famous (other than me)
>physicists using sci.physics. I mean men like Josephson, Weinberg,
>Aharonov, Chiao, Thorne, Wheeler, Gell-Mann etc.
>
Famous indeed! Are you sure you are the only "famous" on on this net?

It just rubs me the wrong way when someone (like A****, and others) profess
their own fame. Take a break, you're not *that* important. Nor are you very
famous. Do you think Somalians know who you are? Better yet, do you think
students in your own "school" know who you are?


Sorry netters,

I just took exception to that remark.

dks.

Daniel E. Platt

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Jan 29, 1993, 10:03:53 AM1/29/93
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I almost took this seriously... for a moment...

In article <C1Kut...@well.sf.ca.us>, sarf...@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
|>
|> Looking over the list of voters there are no famous (other than me)
|> physicists using sci.physics. I mean men like Josephson, Weinberg,
|> Aharonov, Chiao, Thorne, Wheeler, Gell-Mann etc.

While I was taking this seriously, I almost replied that I know two
Wolf prize recipients (Mandelbrot and Kadanoff), and I've met a few
Nobel Laureates so far (Wilson came and spoke at our lab -- he wanted
to know if we were doing anything about the problem of proliferation
of code, and the management costs of so much of it; Chandrasakar came
and celebrated one of the centenials of Newton's Principia; we have a
few wandering around the halls here -- they eat in our caffeteria, but
I'd only recognize one of them to see him).

I hate to say it, but seriously... this medium is not suited to them...
Mandelbrot doesn't even have a terminal in his office. But more to the
point, Kadanoff doesn't seem to come to meetings unless he has been
invited to give a keynote address (such as at Statphys 16; the year
of the APS March meeting in NYC -- where High-Tc superconductors were
paraded around, it was rummored Kadanoff might show -- he didn't).
Why would he want to spend time doing things like write notes like this?
While many people literally don't have time to participate on a forum
like this, saying they "wouldn't have time" takes on new dimensions
in meaning.

But then, I couldn't take this kind of note seriously... Jack still wants
to start his World University... Perhaps he'd like to employ Gell-Mann
as a Post-Doc?

|>
|> Therefore, Matt Austern, or some one , should launch a campaign to
|> let them know such a new moderated conference exists. One easy way
|> to do this is to contact Berty Schwarzschild at Physics Today and
|> ask him to make an announcement.
|>
|> It is particulalry important to try to get Aharonov and his students.
|> They are doing the most imaginative work in QM e.g. observability of
|> the complete wavefunction, time machines etc.
|>
|> PS any one knowing of resources on internet about biophysics
|> including instrumentation please let me know. I need info for my
|> white paper for the financiers of World University.

This is a funny satire... it's almost as good as Abian's stuff (I'd
better not say it too much -- he might come back).

Dan
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John C. Baez

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Jan 29, 1993, 1:50:15 PM1/29/93
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In article <C1Kut...@well.sf.ca.us> sarf...@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes:
>
>Looking over the list of voters there are no famous (other than me)
>physicists using sci.physics. I mean men like Josephson, Weinberg,
>Aharonov, Chiao, Thorne, Wheeler, Gell-Mann etc.
>
>Therefore, Matt Austern, or some one , should launch a campaign to
>let them know such a new moderated conference exists. One easy way
>to do this is to contact Berty Schwarzschild at Physics Today and
>ask him to make an announcement.

Since you are more famous than the rest of us, I think you should do this.

MR...@psuvm.psu.edu

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Jan 29, 1993, 1:13:00 PM1/29/93
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In article <C1Kut...@well.sf.ca.us>, sarf...@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
says:

>
>Looking over the list of voters there are no famous (other than me)
>physicists using sci.physics. I mean men like Josephson, Weinberg,
>Aharonov, Chiao, Thorne, Wheeler, Gell-Mann etc.

Honestly, I'd never heard of Sarfatti until he posted here.
And the only thing I've ever read by him was one article in Physics
Essays, which was essentially the same FTL thread that won't die an honest
death hear. I don't remember ever seeing him cited anywhere.

Has anyone else heard of Sarfatti before?

-mike gallis, neither famous nor notorious (I hope)

Matt McIrvin

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Jan 30, 1993, 4:21:15 PM1/30/93
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MR...@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Has anyone else heard of Sarfatti before?

You can read all about Jack Sarfatti's pre-Net career in Martin
Gardner's book _Science: Good, Bad, and Bogus._ I first heard of
him there. It's remarkable reading.

--
Matt McIrvin

Matt McIrvin

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Jan 30, 1993, 4:41:56 PM1/30/93
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mci...@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin) writes:

>MR...@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

To be fair I really must add that Martin Gardner is about the
furthest thing from an unbiased source that one can imagine.
--
Matt McIrvin

John C. Baez

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Feb 1, 1993, 4:26:25 PM2/1/93
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So, briefly, in which of the three categories does Gardner place Sarfatti?

brett mcinnes

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Feb 1, 1993, 9:01:09 PM2/1/93
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jb...@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
: >
: >You can read all about Jack Sarfatti's pre-Net career in Martin

: >Gardner's book _Science: Good, Bad, and Bogus._ I first heard of
: >him there. It's remarkable reading.
:
: So, briefly, in which of the three categories does Gardner place Sarfatti?
^^^^^
Two.

Jason D Corley

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Feb 2, 1993, 2:13:26 PM2/2/93
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Three guesses. ;-)

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After Death' (1903), he did not, in fact, interview any dead people to ask
if their personalities had survived."--William Marston
Jason D. Corley (alias cor...@gas.uug.arizona.edu), Mad Mathematician

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