Eric Gisse take heed: .... Re: grants

hanson

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Jul 19, 2008, 6:26:16 PM7/19/08

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Bob,
I'm sorry to hear about your plight. But you trying to
make money via grant indicates that you are not quite
with "it". Get a fucking job in any Radiology Dept in any
Hospital instead of waiting for a govt. handout...
>
Eric Gisse, look at Bob's situation. You are heading
into the same direction as he does, when you think
like you do, that "science" will make you a living... ahaha...
>
Get with it, do your hated but missing soc-study credits,
get your BSc degree and then get out to make money...
or start looking for a cheap "hunger-cloth" for you to chew
on for a long time... (like Bob is doing now) ... unless you
come from parents who can afford to have a "son" that
is financially dependent on them forever...
Good luck to you, Eric.
hanson
>
"Bob" <rob...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:e30e26f2-488d-4898...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I need money. I'm an unemployed scientist. My Ph.D. (Biochem) & post-
> doc (Radiology) were years ago. I haven't taught a class where I was
> an adjunct in a year, but I think I could still claim an affiliation
> there.
>
> Starting from nothing, how long would it take me to familiarize myself
> with the literature, get an idea of what to research, write a proposal
> for one of those new investigator grants (if they still have those),
> and get the money? And how much, beyond my expenses (and those of my
> institution), would that be for?
>
> About how many proposals could I expect to have to put in to get one
> grant?
>
> Robert

"Bob" <rob...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:e30e26f2-488d-4898...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I need money. I'm an unemployed scientist. My Ph.D. (Biochem) & post-
> doc (Radiology) were years ago. I haven't taught a class where I was
> an adjunct in a year, but I think I could still claim an affiliation
> there.
>
> Starting from nothing, how long would it take me to familiarize myself
> with the literature, get an idea of what to research, write a proposal
> for one of those new investigator grants (if they still have those),
> and get the money? And how much, beyond my expenses (and those of my
> institution), would that be for?
>
> About how many proposals could I expect to have to put in to get one
> grant?
>
> Robert

Androcles

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Jul 19, 2008, 7:18:40 PM7/19/08

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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I'm not sorry to hear his plight. He made his bed, he can lie on it.
It's good advice from you, yes, and I endorse that, but I have no pity
for his whining. Poor unemployed scientists with no money can make
good money as janitors or hod carriers or telemarketers or truck drivers,
of which I have done two when I was in need of something to do and
too young to retire but had hung up my engineer's hat.
I've sold season tickets for the Pittsburgh Symphony Orchestra
(with the benefits of free concerts) and I've driven lorry for a living
(with the benefits of seeing the countryside)... and I've ENJOYED it.
Right now I create animations... because I enjoy it. This afternoon I
wired up an outside security light for the daughter of my deceased pal...
and made her do the labouring, drilling through the wall with hammer
drill above head height because I can't.
She was delighted, I was pleased to help and it cost her a beer.
What do I get out of it?
I have won a companion to take me to London for my hospital
appointment and make sure I get picked up if I keel over in the
street. I may visit the Hadrian exhibition at the British Museum as a
bonus.
Tell the lazy bastard to get off his arse, there is a life to live and
it is not a rehearsal. Fucking grant my arse, the guy is a leech and
you, hanson, are going soft, cos I know you work at least as hard as
I have. And you enjoy it.

John Parker, B.A., M.Sc., Ph.D. (Androcles, and titles mean nothing
except to find work!)

Dirk Van de moortel

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Jul 20, 2008, 7:38:35 AM7/20/08

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Androcles <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
pDugk.6058$9S6....@newsfe08.ams2

[snip]

Dirk Vdm

Eric Gisse

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Jul 20, 2008, 9:12:02 AM7/20/08

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On Jul 19, 2:26 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

[snip]

What in the hell makes you think you are in any position to give me
advice, or comment on any possible career choices which I have never
EVER discussed with you?

Unsolicited advice is one thing, unsolicited advice in a public medium
is another, and unsolicited *and* stupid *and* public advice is
another thing all together.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 20, 2008, 9:14:14 AM7/20/08

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On Jul 19, 3:18 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:

[...]

> John Parker, B.A., M.Sc., Ph.D. (Androcles, and titles mean nothing
> except to find work!)

Maybe if they were real they would mean something.

Y.Porat

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Jul 20, 2008, 11:04:40 AM7/20/08

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-------------------
Gisse
take of your hat
while talking to Hanson

Y.P
-----------------------

Eric Gisse

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Jul 20, 2008, 11:10:42 AM7/20/08

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I'm sorry, at what point in time did hanson earn my respect?

hanson

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Jul 20, 2008, 1:04:03 PM7/20/08

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote about his sorry future
in message
news:fc5b0022-d2de-4212...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
"Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> produced a GREAT line:
> Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> cranked himself:
> > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> tried to help Eric:
>
> > [which Eric snipped in anger]
>
re-posted by hanson

Eric Gisse, look at Bob's situation. You are heading
into the same direction as he does, when you think
like you do, that "science" will make you a living... ahaha...
>
Get with it, do your hated but missing soc-study credits,
get your BSc degree and then get out to make money...
or start looking for a cheap "hunger-cloth" for you to chew
on for a long time... (like Bob is doing now) ... unless you
come from parents who can afford to have a "son" that
is financially dependent on them forever...
Good luck to you, Eric.
hanson
>

"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in anger:

> > What in the hell makes you think you are in any position
> > to give me advice, or comment on any possible career
> > choices which I have never EVER discussed with you?
> > Unsolicited advice is one thing, unsolicited advice in a public
> > medium is another, and unsolicited *and* stupid *and*
> > public advice is another thing all together.
>

"Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote a great line... ahahaha:
> Gisse,
> take off your hat
> while talking to Hanson
>
"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote

I'm sorry, at what point in time did hanson earn my respect?
>

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... So, I touched a raw nerve
Eric, didn't I... ahahahaha... But never mind that because
you made a very prophetic statement about your own future
when you said "I'm sorry"... because you will be **sorry**,
respect or no respect... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

Eric Gisse

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Jul 20, 2008, 3:48:27 PM7/20/08

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On Jul 20, 9:04 am, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote about his sorry future
> in messagenews:fc5b0022-d2de-4212...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...

> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> produced a GREAT line:> Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> cranked himself:
> > > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> tried to help Eric:
>
> > > [which Eric snipped in anger]
>
> re-posted by hanson
> Eric Gisse, look at Bob's situation. You are heading
> into the same direction as he does, when you think
> like you do, that "science" will make you a living... ahaha...
>
> Get with it, do your hated but missing soc-study credits,
> get your BSc degree and then get out to make money...
> or start looking for a cheap "hunger-cloth" for you to chew
> on for a long time... (like Bob is doing now) ... unless you
> come from parents who can afford to have a "son" that
> is financially dependent on them forever...
> Good luck to you, Eric.
> hanson
>

> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in anger:> > What in the hell makes you think you are in any position

> > > to give me advice, or comment on any possible career
> > > choices which I have never EVER discussed with you?
> > > Unsolicited advice is one thing, unsolicited advice in a public
> > > medium is another, and unsolicited *and* stupid *and*
> > > public advice is another thing all together.
>
> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote a great line... ahahaha:> Gisse,
> > take off your hat
> > while talking to Hanson
>

> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote

> I'm sorry, at what point in time did hanson earn my respect?
>
> hanson wrote:
>
> .... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... So, I touched a raw nerve
> Eric, didn't I... ahahahaha... But never mind that because
> you made a very prophetic statement about your own future
> when you said "I'm sorry"... because you will be **sorry**,
> respect or no respect... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

You don't know anything about me, hanson. Worst case I'm unemployable
as a physicist. Watch me care. My abilities and interests aren't
confined to physics.

I'm not certain that the idea of not working as a physicist even
bothers me. Sure I enjoy physics, but there are a bunch of things I
enjoy. OTOH it sure would look good to have a degree in physics on the
resume - beats an associates in whatever computer shit is offered
here, or the varying levels of certification out there. Nothing
screams "technically oriented mind" quite like that, eh?

I'm a skilled system builder and troubleshooter who would have exactly
zero trouble finding well paying work in the IT industry. I already
have a 13 node computer cluster online and working. Currently I'm in
the middle of turning sixty Dell Core2 workstations into a computer
cluster which will be added to the currently running cluster, which
will then have another 15 older machines added. I fully intend to have
a 100+ node computer cluster built and operating inside a month.

As of this moment I have the Xen hypervisor and the windows virtual
machine through rdesktop on the local X server working to spec, and my
next step will be building the golden image that'll be deployed to the
machines. Then I'll focus on exactly how I'll structure the Linux VM
that'll house the gentoo compute node.

90% of the battle is already won. The system will auto-boot into X
which will initiate rdesktop which then punts the user to the windows
login screen that's the expected standard. Full screen mode and the
localized network connection means that the setup is utterly
indistinguishable between the normal setup. I considered using the
official remote desktop client with WINE but that's too much goddamn
effort. The rdesktop package does the job - emerge rdesktop, done.

I'll have a script [either write or download] to automatically forward
any usb block devices [pendrives] to the windows domU which will
simply see a hotplug event that is well understood and managed. Down
the line there will be an extra usb device attached to a substantial
amount of the systems. I can easily forward the device through the VM
config - again, the user is none the wiser.

Gentoo runs the Xen hypervisor, and is only visible to the LAN through
ssh, whose iptables settings will not allow _any_ traffic from outside
the LAN. I'll have syslog-ng forward all logging traffic to a
centralized logging source, and that source will also run tripwire
integrity checks against the systems.

I'll also have a paravirtualized [runs 5% slower than stock, says
benchmarks] Gentoo linux kernel running under another domU which will
serve as the workhorse in the cluster. I haven't thought especially
hard about this because I'm under the clock and I can fuck with the
linux domU to my heart's content without having to touch Windows.

Since each machine has 160gb of ram, I'm distributing space as
follows:

10gb for the dom0 host, 40gb to the linux VM, and 20gb to the windows
VM. The remaining 90gb will be dedicated to a cluster file system
that'll have over 4 terabytes of working space across the sixty
machines across the labs.

Still think I'll have a difficult time getting employed? Still think I
have something to worry about? Still think your vague whining about my
un/employability means ANYTHING to me, much less enough to invoke
"anger" ?

Jeff▲Relf

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Jul 20, 2008, 7:10:14 PM7/20/08

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“ Since each [ of the 60 boxen has access to ] 160gb of ram,
I'm distributing [ it ] as follows:

10gb for the dom0 host,
40gb to the linux VM, and 20gb to the windows VM.

The remaining 90gb will be dedicated to
a cluster file system that'll have over 4 terabytes of working space

across the sixty machines across the labs. ”, you wrote.

Wow ! you're opening up, I had no idea you were that good.
Google uses a set up similar to yours.

What with your youth, your location ( especially Ketchikan ),
I'd say you're at least a thousand times better off than me.

hanson

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Jul 20, 2008, 10:58:00 PM7/20/08

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> made his confessional:
> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote about his sorry future:

"Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote

You don't know anything about me, hanson.
>

hanson wrote:
.... ahahaha... ahahahaha... I know you better than any job
interviewer will ever get to know you. You have exposed
your personality & mentation for years now on the Usenet:
Lack of any social grace is your strong suit, covering your
shallow buzzworded understanding from text book fables.
Your saving grace is that you like to work with your hands.
>
Don't take that as a criticism, Eric. Your case is much fun
for me, because I was far more radical and "all knowing"
then you are now when I was your age... ahahahaha..
Oh, the memories... AHAHAHAHA.... Carry on, Eric!!
>
By the way, your extensive confessional below was quite
unnecessary. But at least Jeff Relf was impressed. However
consider the enormous 4 figure salary, ~5K per year, is what
that knowledge has brought him. You wanna follow that example?...
Thanks for the alughs, Eric... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
>
"Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote

hanson wrote:
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... Why are you asking me, Eric?
Do figure out for yourself my answers to your 3 question in your
last paragraph... Thanks for the laughs... ahahah... ahahahanson.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 21, 2008, 1:39:17 AM7/21/08

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On Jul 20, 6:58 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> made his confessional:

Those "text book fables" form the basis for the technology you use to
whine.

[...]

Androcles

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Jul 21, 2008, 6:29:25 AM7/21/08

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message

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Let me see if I can guess what those answers are...

1) You are really, really worried about Gisse getting employed, at least as
much as I am.
2) You still think Gisse has something to worry about but neither you nor
I are about to employ him except to clean out the latrines, and that only
for
a probationary period to see if he is any good at it.

3) You don't imagine you can anger Gisse, but like a pubic hair on a toilet
seat he sure gets pissed off easily.

I wonder if those 4 terabytes of working space have learned to say
"gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)"...

"You don't know anything about me, hanson." - Gisse.
You can't see me now:
http://www.rickywolking.com/news/uploads/HEAD-UP-YER-ASS.jpg

Tom Potter

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Jul 21, 2008, 7:10:06 AM7/21/08

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>"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f2dde869-b5de-4501...@a2g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

Gisse, IF you really have, and understand, a system like this,
you should not be thinking about physics,
NOR about "getting employed".

You should be thinking about how to use
your energy, mind, knowledge, and intensity,
in the free market to make life better for yourself and others.

It appears that at the present time,
your mind is controlled by "conventional wisdom",
and you have not learned to think "outside of the box".

If you cannot force yourself to "think outside of the box",
what you should do, is pair up with a "salesman",
who can, and one who has faith in your knowledge.

Note that Google is successful because
a couple of good technical people
got together with a good marketing person,
who came up with many ideas on how to profit from
their search engine, the best being having advertisers
bid for key words, and promoting the most
popular advertisers to the top of the list.

If you want to end up
on the diminishing taxpayer dole,
stay "in the box",

but if you want to be independent,
and improve life for yourself and society
get "out of the box".

Your favorite poster,

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm

Benj

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Jul 21, 2008, 9:03:53 AM7/21/08

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Mean the most when they are real and you make a living building rustic
furniture or throwing utilitarian pottery.
A Ph.D. in biochemistry will definitely give such a business a touch
of "class"!

However, if a person is determined to somehow get a grant, I would
suggest to Bob (and Eric) that a "review of the literature" is likely
the most laughably time-wasting thing to do. Instead one has to show
some real intelligence and ability and use that time to make a list of
every high official you know even remotely acquainted with any
position of authority with regard to "grants" and then use that list
to plant your nose firmly in the ass of each one. Then, possibly, you
might get some small grant. Since a "grant" implies tax money, which
equals "free money" the actual topic of your "study" is of no
importance.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 21, 2008, 9:14:45 AM7/21/08

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Remind us, what field do you work in?

Jeff▲Relf

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Jul 21, 2008, 11:45:33 AM7/21/08

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Hanson forgets that too many assets can ruin your life,
especially if you're into software development, as I am.

I don't have to deal with women, kids, lawyers, insurance,
employees, tenants, taxes, regulations, etc.

“ Spending less ” intrigues me in a way that “ earning more ” never did.

T.J. Frazir was always trying to sell us ships and forests.
( yet Hanson says he's dirt poor ? what the fuck ? ! )
Maintaining a ship is not what a software developer cares about.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 21, 2008, 12:36:02 PM7/21/08

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OH my god you still think he is something other than a nutter with a
WebTV account!

You are gullible as hell.

hanson

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Jul 21, 2008, 2:21:44 PM7/21/08

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com>, the young ED victim wrote ...

> By the way, your extensive confessional was quite
> unnecessary.

Einstein Dingleberry "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote

Those "text book fables" form the basis for the technology
you use to whine.
>

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... been there -- believed that too, once-- still
have the T-shirt. Your belief at you stage is natural because
you have no other frame of reference... So, you will continue
with your current frame dragging... for a while... and remain
as Androcles has labeled you
******** "jowr", the Junior Of Whining Relativists" ********
>
But you are by far not as bad as Androcles and me was
when we were your age. Check our archives where we
wrote how (at your current age) we were physically beating
up students who did not believe in Einstein's shit... ahaha...
Back in those days, which was at the at the height of the
kike propaganda period, Einstein was walking on water...
This ugly, fucked up time is gone now.. which will make it
easier for you to de-wean yourself from this physico religious
Fata Morgana... Thanks for the laughs, jowr... ahahaha...
ahahahanson

hanson

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Jul 21, 2008, 2:21:44 PM7/21/08

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"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@0.Invalid> wrote in message
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Hanson forgets that too many assets can ruin your life,
especially if you're into software development, as I am.
>

hanson wrote:
... How would you know?.. You never had any assets
and you even see to it that you'll never have any.
--- It's sour grapes you are selling here, Jeffie -----
>
"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@0.Invalid> wrote

I don't have to deal with women, kids, lawyers, insurance,
employees, tenants, taxes, regulations, etc. " Spending less "
intrigues me in a way that " earning more " never did.
>

hanson wrote:
--- It's sour grapes you are selling here, Jeffie -----
But you are not even good at that. Ask Potter for hints
on how to be a better peddler for you trying to sell your
sour grapes.... ahahahaha.... ahahahahaha
>
"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@0.Invalid> wrote

T.J. Frazir was always trying to sell us ships and forests.
( yet Hanson says he's dirt poor ? what the fuck ? ! )
Maintaining a ship is not what a software developer cares about.
>

hanson wrote:
--- It's sour grapes you are selling here, Jeffie -----
.... ahahahaha... what was the name of that tug boat
that you wanted to get onto so very badly to lift yourself
out of your self-generated poverty?.... and then there
is of course this:
Jeff, the Goon:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/45918a0bc060bec7?hl=en
Jeff, the Rectal Vacuumist:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/6985843e09c0dfe7?hl=en>

hanson

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Jul 21, 2008, 2:21:43 PM7/21/08

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===AHAHAHAHA... Fatha, Son & the holy Ghost ===
>
"Androcles" <Headm...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote >

> "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message

> | "Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> made his confessional:
> | > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> | > "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote about his sorry future:
> | >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> produced a GREAT line:
> | >>> Eric Gisse > <jowr...@gmail.com> cranked himself:
> | > > > "hanson" <han...@quick.net> tried to help Eric:
> | > > > [which Eric snipped in anger]

[snipped]

> | "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote
> | You don't know anything about me, hanson.

[snipped]

> | hanson wrote:
> | .... ahahaha... ahahahaha... I know you better than any job
> | interviewer will ever get to know you. You have exposed
> | your personality & mentation for years now on the Usenet:
> | Lack of any social grace is your strong suit, covering your
> | shallow buzzworded understanding from text book fables.
> | Your saving grace is that you like to work with your hands.
> | >

> | By the way, your extensive confessional was quite

> | unnecessary. But at least Jeff Relf was impressed. However
> | consider the enormous 4 figure salary, ~5K per year, is what
> | that knowledge has brought him. You wanna follow that example?...

> | Thanks for the laughs, Eric... ahahahaha... ahahahanson
> | >
[snipped]
> | >
"Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote

> | Still think I'll have a difficult time getting employed? Still think I
> | have something to worry about? Still think your vague whining
> | about my un/employability means ANYTHING to me,
> | much less enough to invoke "anger" ?
> | >
> | hanson wrote:
> | ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA... Why are you asking me, Eric?
> | Do figure out for yourself my answers to your 3 question in your
> | last paragraph... Thanks for the laughs... ahahah... ahahahanson.
> |

Androcles wrote:
> Let me see if I can guess what those answers are...
> 1) You are really, really worried about Gisse getting employed,
> at least as much as I am.
> 2) You still think Gisse has something to worry about but neither
> you nor I are about to employ him except to clean out the latrines,
> and that only for a probationary period to see if he is any good at it.
> 3) You don't imagine you can anger Gisse, but like a pubic hair
> on a toilet seat he sure gets pissed off easily.
>

hanson wrote:
... AHAHAHAHAHA... Do you have to rub it in?... into the poor
"Eric Gisse" <jowr. aka the Junior Of Whining Relativists?
(was your original dubbing. Excellent, on the mark... ahahaha)

>
>Androcles wrote:
> I wonder if those 4 terabytes of working space have learned to say
> "gamma = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)"...
> "You don't know anything about me, hanson." - Gisse.
> You can't see me now:
> http://www.rickywolking.com/news/uploads/HEAD-UP-YER-ASS.jpg
>

hanson wrote:
... AHAHAHAHAHA.. wow! There are two of'em now?
Two of the same kind?...Two Clones?... or.. ahaha...
Fatha rect-Al...Son Erictum...& Einstein's Holy Ghost?
... maybe jowr-Eric is the test tube offspring from
uncle rect-Al's feeble 6 ml ejaculate shown here:
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sunshine.jpg
>
Thanks for the laughs, guys.... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

hanson

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Jul 21, 2008, 2:41:30 PM7/21/08

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"Bob" <rob...@bestweb.net> wrote in message

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>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> I'm sorry to hear about your plight. But you trying to
> make money via grant indicates that you are not quite
> with "it".
>

"Bob" <rob...@bestweb.net> wrote:
From what I saw of the grant funding process, I was very turned
off to it. But now I'm just looking for money from anywhere.

>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
> Get a fucking job in any Radiology Dept in any
> Hospital instead of waiting for a govt. handout...
>

"Bob" <rob...@bestweb.net> wrote:
I would, but I'm not licensed as a clinical tech.
Robert
>
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
Bob, you also said:
== "I'm a scientist. My Ph.D. & post-
doc (Radiology) were years ago.== ....
So, for you to get a clin.tech license ought to be easy.
Certainly, if what you say is true, any hospital would get
you such a license upon accepting your job application.
But I am having the feeling that you are playing games
here... ahahaha... So, enjoy the ride and thanks for the
laughs... ahahaha... ahahahahanson

Jeff▲Relf

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Jul 21, 2008, 2:51:41 PM7/21/08

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Everyone on UseNet is talking about what's on their minds,
with little regard to who might be listening.
In T.J. Frazir's case, that means talking about buying ships and forests.

Very likely, T.J. is John Fredriksen, Tor Olav Trøim's partner.
Unfortunately for me, my software endeavors didn't interest them.

I love WebTV users, I hated it when Bert was at his fiancee's house,
using Google Groups instead of WebTV.

I loath seeing headers needlessly repeated
at the start of each an every post, as you do.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jul 21, 2008, 3:14:33 PM7/21/08

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TJ Frazir was always trying to sell ( or maybe give )
me a ship of some kind .. but it never happened .. and never will.
For me, he was “ all talk and no action ”.

My software endeavors didn't interest him,
so, naturally, our discussions came to an end.
Still, I liked hearing his stories and wouldn't mind hearing more.

Androcles

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Jul 21, 2008, 3:57:16 PM7/21/08

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message

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I'm sure his mommy loves him.
"Yes, Eric my darling, of course you can have ten computers
for your birthday gift, mommy wants you to be clever and learn
how to knit them together. "
"Sheesh mom! I said NETwork, not knit work!"
"Yes, baby, now run along to daddy and collect a cheque".
Spare the rod and spoil the child.

And this is a classic... "You don't know anything about me, hanson."

Bob

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Jul 21, 2008, 4:04:20 PM7/21/08

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On Jul 21, 2:41 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

> == "I'm a scientist. My Ph.D. & post-
> doc (Radiology) were years ago.== ....

> So, for you to get a clin.tech license ought to be easy.

I THINK so, but I'm not sure. Here in NY, there used to be an
exception for Ph.D.s to the clinical lab tech licensure requirement,
but that was abolished last year. The Dept. of Ed. here is vague as
to the actual requirements for licensure, asking just that you submit
$240 for the technician's license, $350 for the technologist's, and
they'll look over your education and experience and decide whether
they fit! The process takes months, and meanwhile there's a $50
interim license you can get while the permanent application is being
reviewed.

However, once in a while a hospital says they'll hire if you're just
ELIGIBLE, so...

> Certainly, if what you say is true, any hospital would get
> you such a license upon accepting your job application.

...that's what would work in such a case, and I apply to such jobs.
But most places say they'll take you only if you're already licensed,
not just eligible. I applied to a bunch like that, never heard word
one, until I caught on to that.

BTW, the post-doc had NOTHING to do with clinical radiology. I
studied effects of UV on molecular targets in cultured cells. It was
just in a Radiology Dept.

The lab tech jobs I've been applying for would be for microbiology,
chemistries -- test tube stuff. I could do phlebotomy; I'm not great
at hitting veins, but decent. Working with human specimens got a lot
less scary with the hepatitis B vaccine, but then scarier with HIV;
but at my age and with heart disease, I realize AIDS wouldn't shorten
my life expectancy that much.

Robert

Androcles

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Jul 21, 2008, 4:19:56 PM7/21/08

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"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message

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Sheesh no, I was working at his age, dragging bloody great
main run cables down through this museum piece.
http://www.hnsa.org/ships/ocelot.htm
I did get two days a week college though, as compensation for
the bastards not letting me fire a torpedo.
And I was up the mast on this hulk:
http://www.invectis.co.uk/iow/whites.htm
Just look at that orange radar screen!

Tom Potter

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Jul 23, 2008, 8:52:09 AM7/23/08

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"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message news:0e219653-ea43-4559...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

"Benj" is absolutely right when he states:

If you want to receive taxpayer money use your

"time to make a list of every high official you know
even remotely acquainted with any position of authority
with regard to "grants" and then use that list
to plant your nose firmly in the ass of each one."

As I have suggested for years,
if a society needs advances in an area,
and the free market is not providing results,

a reward should be set up,
starting at some low dollar amount, and escalating
with time if a solution is not forthcoming.

Although

"In your guts,
you know he's nuts",

at least McCain is right on this point.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 23, 2008, 2:51:34 PM7/23/08

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On Jul 23, 4:52 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> "Benj" <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote in messagenews:0e219653-ea43-4559...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

What's the solution to basic research?

Benj

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Jul 23, 2008, 3:49:03 PM7/23/08

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On Jul 21, 9:14 am, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Remind us, what field do you work in?

Oh Eric,
You'd love to be the one to ruin my career forever, wouldn't you?
Bad news. That job has already been taken care of by others.

Tom Potter

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Jul 24, 2008, 10:17:34 AM7/24/08

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:2bb04eca-62b2-47a1...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

-What's the solution to basic research?

Basic research
---------------
"The human endeavor to better understand phenomenon in the world we live in.
It is research that is not 'tainted' by some commercial or utilitarian purpose or imperative,
as opposed to "applied' research."

As I used to tell my kids, my students, and my employees,
"Don't open too many cans of worms."

Basic research is the process of opening cans of worms.

First, if you have plenty problems to solve
that involve health, education, the acquisition and
efficient use of energy, the environment,
food production, control of violence, etc,

and there are many worms like DNA crawling around
to do 'applied' research' on,
then there is no reason to open any more cans of worms.

I suggest that the government should set up measurements
on how many worms are active in society,
and when there aren't enough worms for the society
to inspect, that the government should give out annual awards,
to the top ten people who generate the most worms.

Perhaps a good measure of the need for more worms,
and the measure of worms generated
could be something like Google Trends.

What is NOT needed is to allow a small set of inbred
Gurus on the taxpayer dole, to set the standard for
what the taxpayer money is spent on in the pursuit
of who knows what.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 24, 2008, 11:31:30 AM7/24/08

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On Jul 24, 6:17 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:2bb04eca-62b2-47a1...@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

> http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.htmlhttp://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.comhttp://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotoshttp://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm

How does your argument change when you replace "general relativity"
with "evolution", "stem cells", "condensed matter", or "hydrology"?
Hint: It doesn't. That's why it is stupid.

Tom Potter

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Jul 25, 2008, 6:43:48 AM7/25/08

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"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:956d8c82-2739-4591...@q1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

-How does your argument change when you replace "general relativity"
-with "evolution", "stem cells", "condensed matter", or "hydrology"?
-Hint: It doesn't. That's why it is stupid.

Eric Gisse makes a good point.

Although General Relativity is crawling with "worms",
and has few, if any, cost-effective uses that make life
better for mankind,

there are not enough "worms" in many fields
and rather than continuing to generate
more and more General Relativity "worms"
like time travel, warping through space,
worm holes, gravitons, rubber clocks and rulers,

the government should set up standards and controls
to create "worms" (Quasi-random activity) in areas most likely to
yield POSITIVE results to mankind.

In other words, the government's role in "basic research"
should be to focus attention on the areas most likely
to yield positive benefits to mankind,

and draw attention away from the areas
where people are arguing about how many angels
can sit on the head of a pin,
or on General Relativity issues like time trave;
twins aging, the mind of God, etc.

Once an area has the public's attention,
the government should let the FREE MARKET
take over.

Thanks for bringing up this important point Gisse.

Your pal,

Ian Parker

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Jul 25, 2008, 7:02:48 AM7/25/08

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On 25 Jul, 11:43, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:956d8c82-2739-4591...@q1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

> http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.htmlhttp://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.comhttp://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotoshttp://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm- Hide quoted text -
>
There is a lack of appreciation of trained intelligence. This affects
both Relativity and Arabic.

What is the commercial use of GTR (apert from GPS). Well I will tell
you. It would have prevented the waste of money on antigravity.

You mention the Jews starting the Iraq war. Bollocks the Iraq war was
started because of a lack of respect for trasined intelligence. What
is the connection between Relativity and Arabic?

Relativity = Paperclip and the Nazi foothold in the US.

Arabic = Iraq war

Do not blame anyone else. BTW - Ludendorff and his meddling brought
about Bolsevism. Do not blame anyone else.

Did Jews run the sealed train? or supply Lenin with the funds needed
to overthrow Kerensky?

- Ian Parker

Eric Gisse

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Jul 25, 2008, 9:00:11 AM7/25/08

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On Jul 25, 2:43 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:956d8c82-2739-4591...@q1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...

Which flew over your head.

>
> Although General Relativity is crawling with "worms",
> and has few, if any, cost-effective uses that make life
> better for mankind,

Yea, except for the direct down-to-Earth uses like GPS and accurate
time keeping, in addition to the basic research it enables by
understanding cosmology at large.

You don't like basic research, do you? You don't like understanding
the universe, do you? You never look up at the stars or the Moon, now
do you Tom? All you care about is attached to the Earth's surface, and
fuck anyone else who thinks otherwise - right Tom?

[snip idiotic blather]

Tom Potter

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Jul 26, 2008, 11:11:00 AM7/26/08

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>"Eric Gisse" <jow...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:da070778-5098-4ce4...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

[idiotic, childish and vulgar blather by Gisse left intact.]

It is interesting to see that Eric Gisse parrots the
lie that General Relativity was and is essential
to the GPS system.

Periodic data observed by an observer
are affected by many things including:

1. Distance - Hubble effect
2. Acceleration - Galileo effect
3. Velocity - Doppler effect

As can be seen by the equation the hanson has posted several times,
one simple equation accounts for the desired (But not essential)
oscillator offset in the satellite oscillators,

and it is not necessary,
in fact it is INSANITY
to hack a complex useless model like General Relativity
with thirteen hack Newtonian and Maxwellian hacks
to do what ONE simple equation does.

As I have pointed out,
Newton used Galileo's discovery that
oscillators were affected by acceleration
hundreds of years ago to compute the
shape of the Earth, and the tides in many places,

and it appears that NONE of the General relativity Gurus,
nor any of their Cult Members
can duplicate Newton's work
using General Relativity.

But I have to admit,
when it comes to speculating about the mind of God,
the birth and death of the universe, time travel,
warping through space, worm holes, gravitons, etc.
General Relativity is the way to go.

Tom Potter

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Jul 26, 2008, 11:11:21 AM7/26/08

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"Ian Parker" <ianpa...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:783ab615-f431-4fb3...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

"Ian Parker" makes a good point
when he points out that Bush ignored
the American Intelligence Community,

Here is an old post I made on the subject
on 29 October 2005 Saturday 9:40 AM in the thread:
"The "Spooks" (CIA) spook Bush and his gang"
============================

As I predicted in a post on Jun 18 2003 (listed below),
the honest, loyal Americans in the CIA would not stand by
and let themselves be patsies for Bush.

As can be seen,
the CIA wisely protected their ass, defended America,
and exposed the lies of Bush and his war-for-profit gang
by sending a man that would be hard to discredit ( Wilson)
to check out one of Bush's lies.

Although the head of the CIA sold out the CIA and America
(And was awarded America's highest honor by Bush for doing so.),
loyal Americans in the CIA worked to protect America.
.
My post of Jun 18 2003 follows,
======================
I suggest that the "pre-war intelligence" was accurate
and that Bush and Rumfeld "cooked the books' (LIED),
in order to con Congress and the American people into waging
a war on the Iraqi people. (For oil profits for themselves,
their families, their friends and associates.)

I assert that the "intelligence" community will not let themselves
be a patsy for Bush and Rumfeld, and that they will leak many
incriminating bits of information, that will show that
Bush and Rumfeld lied, and are criminals under American law,
and are war criminals under international law.

You can bet that the"spooks" will not let Bush and Rumfeld
blame them for the mess that got America and the world into.
There are many proud, honest, loyal Americans
in the intelligence community, and they will put America and truth
ahead of loyalty to a temporary "maximum leader".
====================
End of old post.

Happy Halloween
Bush, Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rove, "Scooter" Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle,
Douglas Feith, Rob Loewenberg, David Wurmser, Meyrav Wurmser, etc.

Watch out for the Spooks!

==========================
End of old posts.

It is just that the "Spooks" did not let Bush
and the Jewish NeoCons who lied and manipulated
to get America into a needless war that has cost
America the lives of thirty thousands people,
and the maiming of over a hundred thousand people,
and destroy the American economy and the
trust and respect the world had for America,

and let us hope that Americans and the World Community
will bring these War Criminals to Justice
soon after Bush leaves office.

Eric Gisse

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Jul 26, 2008, 11:52:14 AM7/26/08

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On Jul 26, 7:11 am, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> >"Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:da070778-5098-4ce4...@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com...

YAAAAWN

http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
Page 24,88,90,91,94,etc: http://npoesslib.ipo.noaa.gov/IPOarchive/MAN/doc165.pdf
Page 28,100,etc: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/geninfo/IS-GPS-200D.pdf

[snip stupidity]

Ian Parker

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Jul 26, 2008, 12:06:44 PM7/26/08

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On 26 Jul, 16:11, "Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote:
> "Ian Parker" <ianpark...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:783ab615-f431-4fb3...@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> >>http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.htmlhttp://notsocrazyideas.blo...Hide quoted text -

Except that the files were all produced by the CIA.

- Ian Parker

Androcles

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Jul 26, 2008, 12:30:36 PM7/26/08

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"Tom Potter" <t...@hotsheet.com> wrote in message
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=======================================
All been hacked to death, Gisse is too stupid to read or have any
fuckin' sense.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm
Gisse is of course a dingleberry and a complete waste of spacetime.
Even the crank aetherialist Wublee can see that much.

Tom Potter

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Jul 27, 2008, 12:08:15 AM7/27/08

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> > >>http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.htmlhttp://notsocrazyideas.blo...quoted text -

that the CIA, like all organizations,
and for that matter all people,

have all kinds of information in their "files",
and that rational, intelligent, MORAL people
use the most valid information in their "files"

to direct their actions,
which generally conform to a set of moral standards,

however as Ian notes, Bush, Cheny, Rumsfeld, Rove, and Libby,
who were owned and controlled by the Israeli Lobby,
and under the direction of the Jewish Neocons
( Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith,
Rob Loewenberg, David Wurmser, Meyrav Wurmser, etc.)

"cooked the books" by "cherry picking" the data
in ALL of the "files" extant in society,
including a paper by a college freshman,

in order to con the American people
into implementing the Jewish game plan,

which has long been to instigate
conflict and war between two groups
(Black/White, Rich/Poor, left/right, Muslim/Christian, etc.)
in order to enhance their power and wealth.

But as I, and millions of other folks recognized all along,
Bush and the Jewish Neocons, were cooking the books,

and although the American Military
and American Government Employees
are sworn to obey the President,
many honest, Moral, patriotic America Public Servants
understood that Bush and the Jewish Neocons
were conning America into a needless, immoral war,
and they were not willing to allow these evil people
make them the patsies.

And as can be seen, a few honest, moral, patriotic
employees of the CIA sent "Mr. Clean" Joe Wilson
to Africa to expose the lie that Bush and the Neocons
and the Jewish media were hyping about "Yellow Cake".

Thank you Ian for bringing out these important
historical events, that will likely lead the
War Crimes Court to indict Bush and the NeoCons
for their War Crimes, after Bush is out of office,
and no longer a deadly threat to the peoples of the world.

Your pal,

--
Tom Potter

http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html