> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor
> promises to accomplish all of this and more.
No it does not: it's a pile of buillshit--- a scam, a fraud, a
con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible
fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the
Christian gods talks to him.
There is some independent support for Rossi:
Eg There is a discussion here between Ny Teknik and Professor Emeritus
at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, chairman of the National Academy
of Sciences Energy Committee, and Hanno Ess�n, associate professor of
theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of
Technology and chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
Cold Fusion: �You have to embrace this�
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece
And there is a US paper here on possible physics that may be involved.
Generalized Theory of Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion for
Hydrogen-Metal System
Yeong E. Kim, Department of Physics, Purdue University
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
Abstract: Generalized theory of Bose-Einstein condensation nuclear
fusion (BECNF) is used to carry out theoretical analyses of recent
experimental results of Rossi et al. for hydrogen-nickel system.
Based on incomplete experimental information currently available,
preliminary theoretical explanations of the experimental results are
presented in terms of the generalized BECNF theory.
Additional accurate experimental data are needed for obtaining more
complete theoretical descriptions and predictions, which can be tested
by further experiments.
For reference, here is a paper by Rossi and Focadi:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf
[irrelevant politics groups dropped]
> ... This energetic process drives the
> nuclei of hydrogen atoms into the heart of nickel, turning small
> amounts of nickel isotopes N-62 and N-64 into the copper isotopes
> CU-63 and CU-65.
Aren't those nickel isotopes on the wrong side of the peak of the
binding energy per nucleon curve to generate energy via fusion?
No. I calculated a loss of mass when the copper isotopes are formed.
Also there is a suggestion here about how the hydrogen protons might
get through the Coulomb barrier.
Generalized Theory of Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion for
Hydrogen-Metal System
Yeong E. Kim, Department of Physics, Purdue University
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
".....If the velocities of mobile Ni atoms/nuclei under the condition
(1) are sufficiently slow, their de-Broglie wavelengths become
sufficiently large and may overlap with neighboring two-proton
composite Bosons which are also mobile, thus creating Bose-Einstein
condensation of two species of Bosons. The generalized BECNF theory
can now be applied to these two-species of Bosons and provides a
mechanism for the suppression/cancellation of the Coulomb barrier, as
shown in [4]...."
Didn't realise there had been a second longer 'test' here:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece
In this case, I agree with the global warmer. Fusion is an area rife
with scoundrels and scam-artists. Thorium reactors and more
conventional nuclear reactors are what is needed.
Why do we need reactors at all? You have continually pointed out there
is no problem with continuing to use an almost inexhaustible supply of
carbon-based fossil fuels, as their use has zero affect on the
environment.
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:33:20 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher
> ><calde...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor
> >> promises to accomplish all of this and more.
> >No it does not: it's a pile of buillshit--- a scam, a fraud, a
> >con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible
> >fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the
> >Christian gods talks to him.
> There is some independent support for Rossi:
No, there is not. Using catalysts for cold fusion is an
endothermic reaction: it uses more energy than it produces,
always, every time, forever, without exception.
> Eg There is a discussion here between Ny Teknik and Professor Emeritus
> at Uppsala University Sven Kullander, chairman of the National Academy
> of Sciences Energy Committee, and Hanno Ess�n, associate professor of
> theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of
> Technology and chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
>
> Cold Fusion: �You have to embrace this�
> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece
Endoergic: no hope there. And a kook web site is always a kook web
site.
> And there is a US paper here on possible physics that may be involved.
>
> Generalized Theory of Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion for
> Hydrogen-Metal System
> Yeong E. Kim, Department of Physics, Purdue University
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
Also endoergic.
> Abstract: Generalized theory of Bose-Einstein condensation nuclear
> fusion (BECNF) is used to carry out theoretical analyses of recent
> experimental results of Rossi et al. for hydrogen-nickel system.
Endothermic, and not published in any science journal, nor
subjected to peer review.
> Based on incomplete experimental information currently available,
> preliminary theoretical explanations of the experimental results are
> presented in terms of the generalized BECNF theory.
Not published in any science journal, nor subjected to peer
review.
> Additional accurate experimental data are needed for obtaining more
> complete theoretical descriptions and predictions, which can be tested
> by further experiments.
Then he should stop robbing people until he demonstrates his
claims are true.
> For reference, here is a paper by Rossi and Focadi:
> http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf
Not published in any science journal, nor subjected to peer
review.
> On Jul 29, 12:33�am, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher
> >
> > <calderho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor
> > > promises to accomplish all of this and more.
> >
> > No it does not: it's a pile of buillshit--- a scam, a fraud, a
> > con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible
> > fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the
> > Christian gods talks to him.
> In this case, I agree with the global warmer.
You agree with CO2? WTF?! Nutter.
Idiot.
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:31:41 -0400, Greg Sandoval
> <g_san...@gcsma.edu.br> wrote:
>
> >On 28/07/2011 11:27 PM, Christopher wrote:
> >> THE FUSION REVOLUTION
> >
> >[irrelevant politics groups dropped]
> >
> >> ... This energetic process drives the
> >> nuclei of hydrogen atoms into the heart of nickel, turning small
> >> amounts of nickel isotopes N-62 and N-64 into the copper isotopes
> >> CU-63 and CU-65.
> >
> >Aren't those nickel isotopes on the wrong side of the peak of the
> >binding energy per nucleon curve to generate energy via fusion?
> >
>
> No. I calculated a loss of mass when the copper isotopes are formed.
Where did you get your numbers for the mass of the isotopes? (If that's
what you used for your calculation.) I can't find anything in my (rather
old) Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, so I'd be much obliged if you'd
direct me to a reliable source on the Internet, if there is one.
S.
> There have been many cold fusion researchers but the problem is they
> achieved results that were economically worthless.
Idiot.
> Rossi took a few
> watts of useless power output to many kilowatts of very economically
> viable power output.
Idiot. The facts remain: it's a scam--- a fraud; an attempt to rob
stupid ignorant uneducated shits like you who don't know any
better. Cold fusion via catalyst always takes more energy than it
produces, without exception.
>On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:41:56 +0930, Surfer <n...@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:33:20 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:27:36 -0700 (PDT), Christopher
>> ><calde...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor
>> >> promises to accomplish all of this and more.
>
>> >No it does not: it's a pile of buillshit--- a scam, a fraud, a
>> >con. Rossi is a criminal out to rob stupid, ignorant, gullible
>> >fucktards who don't know basic physics. He also claims one of the
>> >Christian gods talks to him.
>
>> There is some independent support for Rossi:
>
>No, there is not.
>
Yes there is. I gave links to prove it:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KimYEgeneralize.pdf
>
>Using catalysts for cold fusion is an
>endothermic reaction: it uses more energy than it produces,
>always, every time, forever, without exception.
>
Only if fusion failed to occur.
That was probably the case for many experiments, but to say that must
remain the case "always, every time, forever, without exception" is
religion not science.
Here are some figures for a reaction involving Ni58 which is the most
abundant isotope of nickel:
Ni58 + proton -> Cu59+ -> Ni59 + beta+
I found,
Proton 1.00727646677.
Ni58 57.9353429
Total Input Mass = 58.9426
Ni59 58.9343467
beta+ 5.4857990943*10^(-4)
Total Output Mass = 58.9349
So the above reaction results in a loss of mass, and hence would be
exothermic.
Incidentally Cu59 has a mass of 58.9394980. This is also less than the
total input mass. But Cu59 has a half life of about 81 seconds, so
would fairly quickly decay to Ni59.
>
> Cold fusion via catalyst always takes more energy than it
>produces, without exception.
>
That is not what the science says.
For nickel there is table with isotopic masses near the bottom of this
page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel
This page has equivalent numbers for copper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_copper
You can probably find alternative webpages if you use a search engine
(eg Google) to search for "isotopes of nickel" etc.
> THE FUSION REVOLUTION
> -
> http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html
> -
> When the first human animal figured out how to make fire at will,
> life on earth changed forever. The fictional character Sherlock
> Holmes once said that "When you have eliminated the impossible,
> whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Using that
> logic, I have come to the conclusion that fossil fuels will soon
These flakes were going to sell their machines in April.
Now its August.
Has anyone bought one?
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:27:55 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:08:41 -0700 (PDT), Christopher
> > <calde...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > There have been many cold fusion researchers but the problem is they
> > > achieved results that were economically worthless.
> >
> > Idiot.
> >
> > > Rossi took a few
> > > watts of useless power output to many kilowatts of very economically
> > > viable power output.
> >
> > Idiot. The facts remain: it's a scam--- a fraud; an attempt to rob
> > stupid ignorant uneducated shits like you who don't know any
> > better. Cold fusion via catalyst always takes more energy than it
> > produces, without exception.
> That is not what the science says.
It is exactly what scientists and the laws of pysics says.
Deuterium into helium-4 (for example) means aloss of energy,
always. The same is true for powdered nickle, lithium, tritium,
thorium, and all other proposed catalytic agents; they all waste
more energy than they produce. Unfortunately. Anyone who claims to
have discovered a exothermic process is either lying or mistaken.
> > http://renewable.50webs.com/fusion.html
> These flakes were going to sell their machines in April.
> Now its August. Has anyone bought one?
The same is true of most "free energy" scams. Lutec is a fine
example. Steorn is another fine example---- one can "invest" in
the scam, but no such device exists.
I'm confused by this post. If you actually have a way to safely and
cheaply produce large amounts of energy from fusion then why aren't
you out looking for investors and applying for patents? Why bother to
post here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8
So is Brian Josephson, nobel laureate in physics, a gullible fucktard
who doesn't understand basic physics?
>He also claims one of the
> Christian gods talks to him.
I don't care if Elvis talks to him. He claims he will have a 1 MW
system operational in October. I am holding out slim hope that it
might just work. This is the sort of technological breakthrough that
is needed to really get off fossil fuels. Solar panels and windmills
just aren't going to cut it.
> On Jul 28, 8:27�pm, Christopher <calderho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > THE FUSION REVOLUTION
> > -http://50webs.com/fusion.html
> I'm confused by this post. If you actually have a way to safely and
> cheaply produce large amounts of energy from fusion then why aren't
> you out looking for investors and applying for patents? Why bother to
> post here?
Investors would not be necessary: every bank in the world would
rush to provide a loan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8eIhth8Iw8
So is Brian Josephson, nobel laureate in physics, a gullible fucktard
who doesn't understand basic physics?
=Very interesting video.
> So the above reaction results in a loss of mass, and hence would be
> exothermic.
thus:
dear Editor;
I've been to a few Urban Forest Task Force meetings, but the main
thing that is not addressed is the policy of replacing trees, which
amounts to *desertification*, with large, fast-growing trees replaced
with small, slow-growing ones, probably mainly to lessen the amount of
pruning -- it is a problem!
Another aspect of this is the clearing of trees for the sake of
photovoltaics, even though the main objective should amount
to just one tree being severely pruned, to get the max mid-day solar
energy. As it is, almost all of the PVs being installed are "urban
heat is landing," because they are so dark & are not also used to heat
water -- another hard problem.
I would like to suggest a moratorium on removing trees, especially
since the fiascos of the ficuses downtown, the 198 carobs north of
Wilshire, and the ficuses on the Pico median. Because, whether or not
you believe in "global" warming, there is certainly a ton of climate a-
changing!
You don't. The navy needs reactors, since modern navies build
nuclear submarines,
rather than more ports for the ignorant rafters.
Just like engineers build modern stealth equipment and lasers,
rather than more obsolete
sonar for the navy.