Crackpot/Flake List
hhc...@yahoo.com
sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
I realize that this is a dirty job, but I believe that it's time for
someone to do this.
Being the usual lazy bastard but actual physicist that I am, I'd
prefer to delegate this responsibility to someone else, preferably a
second or third year undergraduate at a university of some
crediblity.
The point in doing such a service is that students who have completed
at least Physic 101 with calculus are, or should be, capable of
determining the crackpot posters. On their identification, physics
students can be prevent from expending their time considering the
detailed content of many of these crackpot posts. The actual time that
these guys save from the crackpots would enable them to focus more on
their upcoming Theoretical Mechanics or Electromagnetics exam, that
these nonsense posts who repeatedly originate from the same small
group of posters,
I will even start the list for you, but don't have the time to
maintain it.
Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
___________________________________________
Douglas Eagleson
Laurent
NoEinstein
Agent Smith
pekka.virta
sir.jean-paul.turc
OsherD
Astro Jetson
malibu
BURT
Sanny
Androcles
Pentcho Valev
Mret
Nomen Nescio
Readers, this is only my conclusion after reading their nonsense
posts. It it really hard for me to decide if they actually belive what
they post, or if they are simply playing a joke. I find it interesting
that not one of these posters dare to attach his/her real name to
their posts. Tells a story in itself.
I invite any physics student or physicist to add to this list. I did
my 15 minites of work on this, because quite frankly, the clueless
anti-Einstein folks simply piss me off. After all, how stupid can
anyone be?
Then too, there is an upside for this newsgroup composed of people
that actually post on real science.
People that post real science on sci.physics
_____________________________________
Sam Wormley
Anybody else want to stand up and take credit?
Hey, real physics people, you are now likey awating the outcome of
your mid-terms, and I wish you the best of luck. Hopefully we will see
you here when you are taking your finals.
Also, if you are a physics major, you likely have to take a few course
given by you schools E.E. department such as circuits and electronics.
The E.E. deparment at most universities like to throw a few zingers at
the physics students. Typicaly in a DC Circuts final exam, they like
to throw in one problem involving a triode vacuum tube, which is in
itself an evil thing to do with students who have never studied vacuum
tube characteristics. Take not of this: The grid of a triode vacuum
tube draws no current when negatively biased, Most E.E. students know
this, but few physics students do. It's a common but trick question,
usually put into the E.E. exams to give the illusion that the E.E.
students ,,, Nah, I don't want to go there!
Hey guys, remember that I didn't tell you to rehearse this one. It's a
sleeper, because most students oday, particularly physics majors,
don't study vacuum tube technology. Rest assured that you E.E.
couterparts have been drilled on this, if for no other justification
than CRTs are vacuum tubes, and still in use.
Heck, wait until you physics major have to complete two or three
semesters of physical chemistry. If you thing that an E.E. department
can weight the tests in favor of their students, just wait until you
see what the chemistry department can do! Hint: Organics, molecular
weight. Learn them for the majority of hydrocarbons, and other common
orgaic compounds. As a physics student, if you have to ask, 10-points
is generally detracted from your exam grade. Welcome to hardcore
ball! :-)
Serious, these crackpot post from guys who have never cracked a
Physics 101 course have go to go from this newsgroup, You know that.
Otherwise sci.physics is worthless as a resource, and years back the
newsgroup was very useful to have a physicist expain the approach to
use in solving a difficult problem, but that's no the case today.
Help out if you can, by citing the culprits and maybe flaming them to
the extent where they leave this sci newsgroup to an alt hierarchy,
where they will be appreciates.
Harry C.
.
Douglas Eagleson
you have to defend yourself in court now.
The vernacular of common law was upheld by the likes of me, see you
there.
Douglas Eagleson
You state in third transform the gride to diode test.. It is YOU that
now has to use first predicate to properly state your theory of grid.
Are you aware of the challenge now that in court you need to pass this
predicate theory test?
Your toast.
tadchem
wrote:
"Gride"? Would you see one of those at a wedding right beside the
"Broom"?
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Anonymous
> ___________________________________________
> Nomen Nescio
Some usenet anonymizers insert "Nomen Nescio" ("name
not known" = anonymous) as the "From" name. Nomen
Nescio is not one, single person. A lot of people
who post anonymously are legit and not crackpots.
Jim Black
> Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
> newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
> constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
> post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
There have been efforts of this sort in the past. I don't know if it ever
did anyone any good. But here is what was done:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/852db15d48dd66dc
http://web.archive.org/web/20050322182425/http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
There are a lot of recognizable kooks on the lists, but of course I can't
be sure everyone on the list deserved it because I didn't compile them
myself. In particular, the inclusion of Pmb on one of the lists may have
had more to do with his perverse conventions and argumentative nature than
real crackpottery.
Along the same lines, Dirk van de Moortel has a collection of stupid and
funny posts:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html
I notice you are posting via Google. If it is possible for you to access a
news server, I would highly recommend switching to a real newsreader. In
that case, a crackpot list would directly benefit you because you could
filter out the posts from cranks. In some newsreaders (for example, 40tude
Dialog), you can filter out the replies to these posts, too.
There is little to nothing that can be done to change what other people
post on an unmoderated newsgroup. But filtering out trash can be done
suprisingly well, despite the fact that the noise exceeds the signal.
Unfortunately, the remaining signal is small because many people are turned
away by the high level of noise. Thus our best hope for improving the
newsgroup is to speed up the process of learning how to use a killfile
effectively.
If there is interest I may post a section of my killfile, which would be
more up-to-date than the lists above, although it would include plenty of
political posters and spammers as well as good old scientific crackpots.
But if there isn't much interest, I'd rather not name any names.
--
Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
!markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
[X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
Androcles
<hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5b49ce4f-a881-42c2...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
| Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
| sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant
That's far enough. When we know what "signifant" means you can
continue, flake.
It's sufficiently signifant that you believe the shuttle makes
a right turn over Buffalo, NY and heads west at 10,000 mph to
qualify you as a crackpot.
Tom Potter
"Jim Black" <fml...@organization.edu> wrote in message
news:cpwjw94uwgs3$.1sg7y95lf02nd.dlg@40tude.net...
As my Pappy used to say:
"Birds of the feather, flock together."
I was pleased to see that "Jim E. Black"
joined up with the infamous sci.physics parrots,
who attack messengers,
rather than address messages
in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
No doubt about it.
"Jim E. Black" belongs in this flock.
Mike Varney
Old Man
Dork Moortel
Sam Wormley
I was pleased to see that "Jim E. Black"
included the old personal attack page
from Sam Wormley's phony "edu" account,
as it provides insight into Sam's basic personality.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050322182425/http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
As a long time bird watcher in sci.physics,
it is my perception that as these parrots
are incapable of engaging in rational discussions on issues,
that the best they can do,
is parrot phrases they have been conditioned to,
and squawk a lot.
Congratulations Jimmy!
You have joined up with some real winners.
( Or did I spell "whiners" wrong? )
Your pal,
--
Tom Potter
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Douglas Eagleson
> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:02 -0800 (PST), hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> > sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
> > newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
> > constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
> > post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
>
> There have been efforts of this sort in the past. I don't know if it ever
> did anyone any good. But here is what was done:
>
The issue is the word scientific. You seem to require non a priori
use of english predicte, where as the a apriori was then a sundrey.
Harry C as the scientist taking the defamation intiative needs to
initiate an apology to the listed people. I can not call him
incompetent without grounds and so his issue was the grounds. Use of
predicate is nowhere the meaning of science.
If you sit and read only as your brand of scientist, I may have
grounds to call you incompetent, also.
tadchem
> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:02 -0800 (PST), hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> > sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
> > newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
> > constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
> > post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
>
> There have been efforts of this sort in the past. I don't know if it ever
> did anyone any good. But here is what was done:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/852db15d48dd66dc
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. There were a lot of names
there that I had (with some considerable effort) managed to forget.
I haven't seen smart1234 or Don Shead (alias S***Head) post here in
quite a while. Are they still exhaling CO2, or has that task been
taken over by their microbial symbiotes?
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
Traveler
>Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
>___________________________________________
>Douglas Eagleson
>Laurent
>NoEinstein
>Agent Smith
>pekka.virta
>sir.jean-paul.turc
>OsherD
>Astro Jetson
>malibu
>BURT
>Sanny
>Androcles
>Pentcho Valev
>Mret
>Nomen Nescio
ahahaha... Damnit! Why isn't my name on this list? I am a crackpot, a
kook, a flake, a fruitcake and a crank. I refuse to be lumped in with
ass kissers. It's more honorable to be a crackpot than an ass kisser
any day. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Rebel Science News:
http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/
malibu
I made the list!!!
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john
My name is John Sefton
I'm 58 years old.
I'm a total vegan (crackpot idea)
because it made all my joints flexible and
pain-free again and now I can hula hoop once
more like when I was 10 (you never forget how-
your joints just lose the capability of flexing)
Here's a picture:
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/image002.jpg
(Wow- real crackpot stuff- the Pharmas wouldn't
like heresy like this, would they?)
I think Black Holes are just that- holes; voids in space
caused by extreme spin shooting all that enters
back out as High Energy Particle Jets which go through
a cycle as radiating stars until they fall back in and
do it again.
(Lots of those jets everywhere around galactic nuclei, eh?)
Yeah, lots of crackpottery.
John
Androcles
"Traveler" <trav...@noasskissers.net> wrote in message
news:fsv1o3p6g0gc7rgtv...@4ax.com...
The stupid bastard forgot himself, he reckons the space shuttle
can turn right over Buffalo NY and head west at 10,000 mph
on its way to Florida and doesn't fly a great circle.
Eric Gisse
[snip spew]
Is this your way of requesting your name being added to the "I am a
bleeding moron" list?
Dirk Van de moortel
"Androcles" <Engi...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote in message news:qH8gj.112257$S37.1...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
What *could* be a really interesting list, is an overview of crackpot
*pairs* who have turned Removing One Another's Last Hairs into
a Way of Life.
I can immediately think of two pairs:
Androcles - Savain
Androcles - Henri Wilson
Does anyone have a non-Androcles entry?
Dirk Vdm
Traveler
ahahaha... You're having a hard time restraining your latent
homosexual tendencies eh, moortel? ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Dilaudid
wouldn't this rule out most of the conversation? I mean 80% of the fun is
f*&^ing with the crackpots and clarifying real issues when newbies get
sucked in...
"Traveler" <trav...@noasskissers.net> wrote in message
news:sjb2o39b0sel1qrcb...@4ax.com...
Dirk Van de moortel
"Dilaudid" <dda...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:4781379b$0$22572$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
[snip]
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:10:50 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
>> <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>>What *could* be a really interesting list, is an overview of crackpot
>>>*pairs* who have turned Removing One Another's Last Hairs into
>>>a Way of Life.
>>>
>>>I can immediately think of two pairs:
>>>
>>> Androcles - Savain
>>> Androcles - Henri Wilson
>>>
>>>Does anyone have a non-Androcles entry?
> Hmm,
>
> wouldn't this rule out most of the conversation? I mean 80% of the fun is
> f*&^ing with the crackpots and clarifying real issues when newbies get
> sucked in...
Yes, it is a lot of fun, but i.m.o. nothing can beat a juicy Sunday
afternoon village idiot fight. They are really scarce, which is
the reason why perhaps they should be listed and/or collected.
Hmm, perhaps I should create an ImmortalVillageIdiotFights
page...
Dirk Vdm
hanson
>> <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Androcles" <Engi...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote in message
>>>news:qH8gj.112257$S37.1...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>> "Traveler" <trav...@noasskissers.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:fsv1o3p6g0gc7rgtv...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> | Harry Conover "hhc...@yahoo.com" wrote:
>>>> | >Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
>>>> | >___________________________________________
>>>> | >Douglas Eagleson
>>>> | >Laurent
>>>> | >NoEinstein
>>>> | >Agent Smith
>>>> | >pekka.virta
>>>> | >sir.jean-paul.turc
>>>> | >OsherD
>>>> | >Astro Jetson
>>>> | >malibu
>>>> | >BURT
>>>> | >Sanny
>>>> | >Androcles
>>>> | >Pentcho Valev
>>>> | >Mret
>>>> | >Nomen Nescio
>>>> |
>>>> | ahahaha... Damnit! Why isn't my name on this list? I am a crackpot, a
>>>> | kook, a flake, a fruitcake and a crank. I refuse to be lumped in with
>>>> | ass kissers. It's more honorable to be a crackpot than an ass kisser
>>>> | any day. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
>>>> | Louis Savain
>>>> | Rebel Science News:
>>>> | http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> Androcles wrote:
>>>> The stupid bastard forgot himself, he reckons the space shuttle
>>>> can turn right over Buffalo NY and head west at 10,000 mph
>>>> on its way to Florida and doesn't fly a great circle.
>>>
>>>What *could* be a really interesting list, is an overview of crackpot
>>>*pairs* who have turned Removing One Another's Last Hairs into
>>>a Way of Life.
>>>I can immediately think of two pairs:
>>> Androcles - Savain
>>> Androcles - Henri Wilson
>>>Does anyone have a non-Androcles entry?
>>
ahahaha... You're having a hard time restraining
your latent homosexual tendencies eh, moortel?
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
>>
>
wouldn't this rule out most of the conversation? I mean 80%
of the fun is f*&^ing with the crackpots and clarifying real
issues when newbies get sucked in...
>
ahahaha... especially for a lodo-poster who calls himself
and probably is sucking down "Dilaudid" .... ahahaha...
Google for "Dilaudid" to clarify his own "Deluded",
real issues... But thanks for the laughs... ahahahanson
Traveler
<dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Dilaudid" <dda...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:4781379b$0$22572$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
>[snip]
>
>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:10:50 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
>>> <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>>What *could* be a really interesting list, is an overview of crackpot
>>>>*pairs* who have turned Removing One Another's Last Hairs into
>>>>a Way of Life.
>>>>
>>>>I can immediately think of two pairs:
>>>>
>>>> Androcles - Savain
>>>> Androcles - Henri Wilson
>>>>
>>>>Does anyone have a non-Androcles entry?
>
>> Hmm,
>>
>> wouldn't this rule out most of the conversation? I mean 80% of the fun is
>> f*&^ing with the crackpots and clarifying real issues when newbies get
>> sucked in...
>
>Yes, it is a lot of fun, but i.m.o. nothing can beat a juicy Sunday
>afternoon village idiot fight. They are really scarce, which is
>the reason why perhaps they should be listed and/or collected.
>Hmm, perhaps I should create an ImmortalVillageIdiotFights
>page...
Nah. You're just a queer, moortel. ahahaha... You're hoping to catch a
glimpse of genitalia with your ass budy Dilaudid, that's all.
OsherD
A guy with the pseudonym(n) hhc314 at yahoo.com put my name on a list
of 15 "Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics," and claimed
that "I find it interesting that not one of these posters dare to
attach his/her real name to their posts. Tells a story in itself."
I post as OsherD mdoctorow at ca.rr.com, and type my full name Osher
Doctorow both at the beginning and end of every post. The site
ca.rr.com used to be comcast.net, but in California at least it was
bought out by Time Warner Cable and changed to ca.rr.com.
hhc314's last 10 postings according to the "profile" key (which shows
that he has not established a profile as well as his last 10 postings)
are to rec.pyrotechnics (4), alt.guitar (1), sci.energy.hydrogen (4),
and only 1 on sci.physics which is his "crackpot/flake list".
Remarkably, his supporter or agree-er Tom Davidson of Richmond
Virginia ("tadchem at comcast.net") , a chemist whose industry is
listed as "scientific" in his profile, had his last post on hydrogen,
similarly to 4 of hhc314's 4 last 10 posts.
hhc314 claims to be motivated in his crackpot/flake list by
criticizing people who are "clueless anti-Einstein". In my case,
this isn't his motivation, since I don't issue personal attacks
against Einstein although in two or three replies to Pentcho Valev
(also on hhc314's list), I agreed with him that Worship of Founding
Fathers isn't worthy of Nonconformists and that there are problems
with both GR and Quantum Theory (if you don't believe this, then
apparently you've never heard of Quantum Gravity or even Unification
Theory).
What I think motivates hhc314 in my case is my repeated opposition to
trolls and graffiti artists who've plagued my Quantum Gravity thread
through over 200 Sections, as well as my comparing them to MoveOn.Org
type propagandists who use one-word (mostly profanity or emotional
exclamations) or one-liners out of context to smear people and whose
hatred of Bush isn't matched by any discussion of alternatives (by the
way, I don't like Bush either, not because he's for Self-Defense but
because he's not for Jobs and is a Strategic Dunce on Self-
Defense).
hhc314 is experiencing cognitive dissonance at an extremely high
level, which probably was also the case with the two members of
sci.physics.research some years ago who issued their own crackpot/
crank lists (one of them being John Baez of U.C. Riverside).
Interestingly, one of his "defenders" Jim Black is a contributor to
Baez' haunt sci.physics.research. Tom Davidson, another defender of
hhc414, fits the profile of Uncle Al, another contributor to
sci.phsics.research who is a chemist and whose main method of
operation on sci.physics is calling Readers/writers stupid and similar
words and using "snip crap" type deletions for "emphasis".
Osher Doctorow
Jim Black
> I will even start the list for you, but don't have the time to
> maintain it.
>
>
> Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
> ___________________________________________
> Douglas Eagleson
> Laurent
> NoEinstein
> Agent Smith
> pekka.virta
> sir.jean-paul.turc
> OsherD
> Astro Jetson
> malibu
> BURT
> Sanny
> Androcles
> Pentcho Valev
> Mret
> Nomen Nescio
Given that I've been cited as a "defender" of this idea (I've turned
filters off for this thread to see the reactions), despite my doubt that it
would do any good, I thought I should comment on the list you've already
made. All of these people are in my killfile in some way or another (note
that "Mret" is one of Wittke's constantly changing names), with the
exception of "Sanny." One of his recent posts was a bit crazy, but not bad
enough to merit killfiling him, in my opinion.
Because opinions on who to killfile vary from person to person, I don't
know if list like this would even work as a suggested killfile. Many
people will prefer to make their own killfiles.
And before you spend too much time attacking people, recall your own
disparaging comments about modern cosmology, which you made without even
learning basic general relativity. That would land you as a crackpot in
some people's books; from that point of view, this whole thread could be
seen as an excuse for you to perform Item #10 on Baez's index. Think twice
before attacking other people.
Jim Black
> I was pleased to see that "Jim E. Black"
> joined up with the infamous sci.physics parrots,
> who attack messengers,
> rather than address messages
> in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
Let me make clear that I don't think making a list for the purpose of
attacking people does any good. But if people don't want to read crackpot
theories, silly "proofs" that relativity is wrong, incomprehensible
nonsense, off-topic political postings, commercial spam, and your own
pseudo-psychoanalysis and pro-Hitler conspiratorial rants, then they have
every right to filter it out.
Jim Black
> What I think motivates hhc314 in my case is my repeated opposition to
> trolls and graffiti artists who've plagued my Quantum Gravity thread
> through over 200 Sections,
I suspect it's more the fact that your posts are completely
incomprehensible.
Jim Black
> The issue is the word scientific. You seem to require non a priori
> use of english predicte, where as the a apriori was then a sundrey.
I require posts I spend time reading to make sense. That sentence does not
make any, nor do most of your posts.
> Harry C as the scientist taking the defamation intiative needs to
> initiate an apology to the listed people. I can not call him
> incompetent without grounds and so his issue was the grounds. Use of
> predicate is nowhere the meaning of science.
>
> If you sit and read only as your brand of scientist, I may have
> grounds to call you incompetent, also.
From your IP you appear to be located in the US. I am not a lawyer, but I
strongly suspect any US court would agree that people have every right to
express their opinion that others are crackpots.
Traveler
<fml...@organization.edu> wrote:
>Let me make clear that I don't think making a list for the purpose of
>attacking people does any good.
I'll take exception to that. I have my own crackpot list:
Nasty Little Truth About Spacetime Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/notorious.htm
Stephen Hawking
Kip Thorne
John A. Wheeler
Richard Feynman
Michio Kaku
John Gribbin
Carl Sagan
John Kramer
J. Richard Gott III
Hans Moravec
David Deutsch
Igor Novikov
John Baez
Ronald Mallett
Jack Sarfatti
Kurt Gödel
Paul Davies
Albert Einstein
ahahaha... I think lists are very powerful because, when all is said
and done, it's all about religion and politics. ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
Tom Potter
I would like to point out an error that
Savain made in his post.
"Dirk Van de moortel" does not have "LATENT" homosexual tendencies.
Tom Potter
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:28:33 +0800, Tom Potter wrote:
>
>> I was pleased to see that "Jim E. Black"
>> joined up with the infamous sci.physics parrots,
>> who attack messengers,
>> rather than address messages
>> in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
>
> Let me make clear that I don't think making a list for the purpose of
> attacking people does any good. But if people don't want to read crackpot
> theories, silly "proofs" that relativity is wrong, incomprehensible
> nonsense, off-topic political postings, commercial spam, and your own
> pseudo-psychoanalysis and pro-Hitler conspiratorial rants, then they have
> every right to filter it out.
It is interesting to see that "Jim Black" approves
of "Jimmy Cartering" folks who make statements
he objects to.
As can be seen from the URL below,
German students held a mass book burning rally in 1933
to protest against the gang that had massacred the Russian Royal Family,
co-opted the Russian government,
was enslaving the Native Russians,
trashing their culture,
and using Russia as a base from which to instigate
Class Wars all over the globe.
Apparently these students didn't want the War-for-profit Gang
to co-opt their government, trash their culture,
steal their work product, and starve and enslave Germans,
as they had the Native Russians.
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005852
AMERICAN PRESS RESPONSE
"American newspapers nationwide reported both the Nazi bonfires and the
American protests. Editorial opinion was nearly unanimous in its
condemnation but uneven in its rhetoric. Some newspapers called the German
student actions "silly," "ineffective," "senseless," or "infantile." The New
Yorker made light of the "extra-curricular activities" of Nazi students."
Essayist E. B. White joked, "We never burn books except to keep them out of
the hands of the grand jury." But others, such as Ludwig Lewisohn of The
Nation, forecast the dawning of a "dark age," an "insane" assault "against
the life of the mind, intellectual values, and the rights of the human
spirit." In its coverage of the Berlin book burnings, News-Week employed the
term "Holocaust" as a header introduction to its weekly report of news in
Germany. The May 27 issue of News-Week featured an image of the Berlin book
burning on the front cover. The Nation presented the book burnings as a
pagan ritual for Nazi henchmen, Prussian militarists, monocled
industrialists, SA thugs, and corrupted Hitler Youth. New York City's
Forward, a Yiddish-language daily that advocated Jewish rights, vigorously
protested Nazi policies. On May 10, the newspaper's editorial cartoon
(titled The Führer) showed Hitler wielding a torch for a cartload of books.
Its May 14, 1933, issue featured a full page of photographs identifying
notable authors whose books were destroyed. "
It is interesting to see that in the 1900's the mass media was aggressively
conning Americans into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties
and fortunes to kill the Germans who were opposing the Class Wars,
just as the mass media today is aggressively
trying to con American Blacks, Latinos, and Rednecks
into sacrificing their lives, limbs, liberties and fortunes,
to kill Muslims in the Religious Wars.
Unlike "Jim Black", who approves of "Jimmy Cartering" folks,
the German students seem to approve of the "kill file" approach.
To paraphrase the excerpt from "The Nation" listed above,
"Jimmy Cartering" "is a pagan ritual for Jewish henchmen, Jewish war
instigators,
monocled industrialists, Jewish thugs, and corrupted JewishYouth."
And to paraphrase Ludwig Lewisohn"s comment:
"Jimmy Cartering is
the dawning of a dark age,
an insane assault against the life of the mind, intellectual values, and the
rights of the human spirit."
Thanks Jimbo for our attention to the fact that "Jimmy Cartering"
is a far more "insane assault on the rights of the human spirit"
than book burning.
Tom Potter
news:70e7850a-51f9-4b6c...@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Is this your way of requesting your name be added to the
"I am a member of the "squaking parrot" list?
In accordance with Gisse's request,
I have added him to the "squaking parrot" list?
=============================
As my Pappy used to say:
"Birds of the feather, flock together."
I was pleased to see that "Jim E. Black"
joined up with the infamous sci.physics parrots,
who attack messengers,
rather than address messages
in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
No doubt about it.
"Jim E. Black" belongs in this flock.
Mike Varney
Old Man
Dork Moortel
Sam Wormley
Eric Gisse
OsherD
> I suspect it's more the fact that your posts are completely
> incomprehensible.
[Next is reply by me, Osher Doctorow.]
Jim Black's "claim to fame" is that he's appeared on
sci.physics.research, a moderated group with an extremely tradition-
bound sequence of moderators that has accepted such trolls/profanity
spewers (at least they troll and spew profanity when they come to
sci.physics, which is common) and "snip crap" ridiculers as Uncle Al.
He and Tom Davidson of Richmond Virginia, AKA "tadchem" (who lists his
profession in his profile as chemist in science (industry) have not
only defended hhc314 at yahoo.com's troll-flake thread but Black has
even gone beyond hhc314 to tell readers how to filter out unwanted
posts or people in the context of criticizing me. Jim Black lists his
email return address as fmlnlst at organization.edu (I may have one
letter wrong in fmlnlst around the middle). This is quite possibly
the incredibly restrictive "FOM" (Foundations of Mathematics) site run
by a Pennysvania university computer programmer and his (naturalized,
I think) Islamic wife who many years ago kicked me off their list for
refusing to accept their extremely non-standard principles.
Osher Doctorow
OsherD
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 06:37:18 -0800 (PST), Douglas Eagleson wrote:
> From your IP you appear to be located in the US. I am not a lawyer, but I
> strongly suspect any US court would agree that people have every right to
> express their opinion that others are crackpots.
[Next is my reply to Black, not regarding Eagleson but continuing my
earlier reply to Black and Davidson, which I put here because it's at
the end of the current list of replies.]
Black, when you say that my postings are "completely
incomprehensible", with no further evidence, then since I'm mostly
deriving probability equations from scratch and explaining the proofs
from scratch, as well as citing arXiv papers almost every post, you
must be alleging that probability and arXiv are completely
incomprehensible to you, not to mention the word "humility" or
"scientific/mathematical detachment".
Let's get back to Tom Davidson of Richmond, Virginia, AKA "tadchem"
who lists his profile as chemist and his industry as "scientific" and
whose last posting before the time he criticized me on sci.physics is
listed as being on hydrogen, like the crackpot-flake list originator
hhc314 at yahoo.com who had made his last 10 postings up to that time
on sci.energy.hydrogen (4 of them), alt.guitar (1), rec.pyrotechnics
(4), and the only sci.physics previous posting of his last 10 was his
his crackpot/flake list that listed my name.
I was curious to see what kind of city Richmond, Virginia is, since
I'm curious about the timing of flares of "criticism" on sci.physics
and enjoy watching profiling series on TV (one of the few good things
on TV).
According to typical internet sources, Richmond was the capitol of the
Confederacy but had a counter-reaction in the last decade which has
made it and far north Virginia (near Washington D.C.) one of the most
Blue State (Democrat) regions of Virginia. Unlike most of Virginia,
Richmond is predominantly black (57% or more), and includes an
incredible number of Fortune 500 and even Fortune 1000 Corporations,
so it's one of the hearts (figuratively, as Big Corporations don't
have hearts) of Multinational Corporations and their Big Corporation
allies. The State Dept and CIA (the CIA was formerly under State Dept
control and still appears to be mostly a State Dept puppet) and the
National Security Agency (Bush's favorite tied with State-CIA) are
concentrated in similar regions of Virginia near Wash. D.C. where
those govt agents largely live (in Virginia).
I'm one of the biggest critics of State Dept., CIA, Saudis, Iran,
"Palestinians" and Multinational Corporations on the internet (very
occasionally on sci.physics if it's relevant, but mostly on other
forums).
Readers might enjoy speculating on whether there could be any
relationships among these facts.
Osher Doctorow
hhc...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jim, I simply posted this list, while somewhat tounge in cheek, but
mostly to warn college students in physics that posters listed will
simply waste student time on nonsense. Real physics students don't
have a lot of time to waste on nonsense. It's had enough to master
classical or theoretical mechanics, or electromagnetisc, let alone be
distracted by nonsense posted by peole who have likely never completed
Physics 101.
I really don't wish to offend anyone, but seriously, aren't some of
the alt newsgroups a better place to voice silly theories?
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
Jim, Mr. Eagelson has every right to object being placed on the
crackpot list, but every review of any of his posts justifies him
falling correctly into this category. Just read any of his many posts.
My take is that Mr. Eagelson is not only totally ignorant of even
basics phycis, but that he is living in a delusion. I'm beginning to
believe that he actually believes the nonsense that he posts.
I'm tempted to mail him a copy of Sears & Zemaky or Haliday & Resnick,
on a firm promise that he would seclude himsleff in a carol of the
local university library for about 3 months, until he has read every
works of the text, understood it, and worked every problems set.
I'm of a firm believer that these wannabees physicists have never, in
their lives, worked though a real textbooks problem set and learn how
to arrive at the correct soluton. In fact, it would seem that the
majority have no clue as to how nature operates.
Then I could be wrong.
Harry C.
Harry C.
Benj
> Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
> ___________________________________________
> Douglas Eagleson
> Laurent
> NoEinstein
> Agent Smith
> pekka.virta
> sir.jean-paul.turc
> OsherD
> Astro Jetson
> malibu
> BURT
> Sanny
> Androcles
> Pentcho Valev
> Mret
> Nomen Nescio
Say, wait a minute! Another year has gone by and once again I'm not on
the list and neither is Uncle Al! I protest!
OK, I can understand that what with Uncle Al's masterful command of
science jargon nobody can really tell if what he's saying is crackpot
or not, but still, the fact that Androcles rides his butt
unmercifully, ought to be hint enough!
> Also, if you are a physics major, you likely have to take a few course
> given by you schools E.E. department such as circuits and electronics.
> The E.E. deparment at most universities like to throw a few zingers at
> the physics students. Typicaly in a DC Circuts final exam, they like
> to throw in one problem involving a triode vacuum tube, which is in
> itself an evil thing to do with students who have never studied vacuum
> tube characteristics. Take not of this: The grid of a triode vacuum
> tube draws no current when negatively biased, Most E.E. students know
> this, but few physics students do. It's a common but trick question,
> usually put into the E.E. exams to give the illusion that the E.E.
> students ,,, Nah, I don't want to go there!
E.E. Students know this? Um, what YEAR are you living in?
> Hey guys, remember that I didn't tell you to rehearse this one. It's a
> sleeper, because most students today, particularly physics majors,
> don't study vacuum tube technology. Rest assured that you E.E.
> counterparts have been drilled on this, if for no other justification
> than CRTs are vacuum tubes, and still in use.
CRTs, Vacuum Tubes, triodes, Oh My!
Ask any E.E. student and they'll likely reply "Vacuum Tubes? Are those
dual or quad core?" And as for CRTs you can still pick them up at
garage sales for maybe $5. But what would anyone use one for today?
Eric Gisse
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:70e7850a-51f9-4b6c...@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 6, 2:28 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > [snip spew]
>
> > Is this your way of requesting your name being added to the "I am a
> > bleeding moron" list?
>
> Is this your way of requesting your name be added to the
> "I am a member of the "squaking parrot" list?
>
> In accordance with Gisse's request,
> I have added him to the "squaking parrot" list?
Imagine a parrot looking at you, cocking his head, and saying
"fuckup".
[snip idiocy]
Y.Porat
Harry C
reached here a new pick of nastiness:
'he does not want to offend anyone'
2
he wants to be a teacher of yound students
and yet
rolling his yes to heaven is
a
a crook
b
a parrot
c
and old idiot
d
a pain in the neck to the advance of physics
e
a nasty shit personality
f
and above all that wanst to be a model for his students
of
a
open mindness
b
tollerance!!
that is the most basic element that made the western
scince to flowrish
instead of the cleargy crooks that were holding
human mind in darkness for hundreds of yeares
in short the old farting crook
that poses as an angle while in fact
is the lowest degree of how a human being can be
(NOT TO MENSION HIS BEING A '''SCINTIST'''
Y.Porat
------------------------
but seriously, aren't some of
> the alt newsgroups a better place to voice silly theories?
>
> Harry C.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
------------------
Eric Gisse
[snip paranoid, illegible scrawl]
Hey Porat, try writing a coherent English sentence with proper
grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. Just once...for me.
Douglas Eagleson
>
> - Show quoted text -
You challenged the readership and the retort is always to be in
vernacular or maybe sometimes predicate to warn you that you were
found incompetent. MY posts are in slang style but perfect formed in
theory. You have chosen predicate for your style.
ANd you refuse to decompose your test question in the original post.
You gave the passing grade question, diode to grid. Now you need to
understand your level of scientific ignorance based on this certain
contention. Do you know it is a third transform test question?
If so why not display the common sense attitude and defend your
contentions. You sit and blather in general about my incompetence.
You need to defend your ability to judge.
Here is a hint: First order theory as the state of the current was to
be a certain "insert answer here", diode transition to the "insert
here" and cause the signal.
SO i have done the hard part and formed the test question into first
predicate. Can HC do this even?
Tom Potter
> On Jan 7, 4:04 pm, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:70e7850a-51f9-4b6c...@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jan 6, 2:28 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > [snip spew]
>>
>> > Is this your way of requesting your name being added to the "I am a
>> > bleeding moron" list?
>>
>> Is this your way of requesting your name be added to the
>> "I am a member of the "squaking parrot" list?
>>
>> In accordance with Gisse's request,
>
> Imagine a parrot looking at you, cocking his head, and saying
> "fuckup".
"Eric Gisse" makes a good point when he points out
that the sci.physics parrots, and in fact, all parrots,
are conditioned to repeat what they have been conditioned to,
(Conventional wisdom (Parrot talk), vulgar phrases and insults.)
when they hear certain key phrases.
It seems to me that a good project for some
programmer, would be to write a program that:
1. Parsed newsgroup posts.
2. When certain key words such as
Relativity, Einstein, Newton, liberal, conservative,
Muslim, Jew, Nazi, Bush, Clinton, Hitler, Iraq, Iran, 911, etc.
appeared in a post,
to "parrot" a string of vulgar phrases,
personal attacks on the poster,
and the conventional wisdom phrases, URLs and book titles
associated with the key words in play.
3, Posted the string of
conventional wisdom phrases, URLs and book titles
in response to the parsed post.
As can be seen from the responses of the sci.physics parrots,
the data base for conventional wisdom phrases, URLs, and book titles
would not have to be very large,
as parrots have been intently conditioned to identify,
and respond with, a very small sets of ideas and phrases.
This would save parrots a lot of time,
as they would not have to read the news groups,
get all agitated and squawk.
Thanks for bringing up this interesting point, Gisse!
Tom Potter
>news:1f74dd74-7052-4840...@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
Harry C. makes a good point when he points out
that "wannabees <achievers> have never in
their lives, worked though a real <world> problem set and
arrived at the correct solution".
As Harry C. suggests,
many lazy, not-to-bright, people
use their parent's and/or the taxpayer's money
to buy a piece of paper and they assign more value to
a piece of paper, or some class they took,
more than they do to actually achieving something
worthwhile in the free market.
It is interesting to see that Thomas Edison
who invented the recording of audio and movies,
and put America on electrical power,
and discovered the "Edison Effect"
which lead to the "triode",
which lead to the "transistor", which lead to
integrated circuits, etc. probably never
"worked though a real textbooks problem set and learn how
to arrive at the correct solution",
whereas many PhD's on the taxpayer dole
and have never made a positive contribution to society,
have "worked though real textbooks problems".
It is interesting to see that Harry C. seems to think
that folks who want to discuss
issues that involve politics are wannabe politicans,
and that physcists who want to discuss
electronics are wannabe electronic engineers.
Douglas Eagleson
The contention is the issue. Your method of singling out people to
slander is the classic defamation. A means to scientific discussion
to call the person incorrect was never your intention.
And the distinction is your quality of judgment now. You appear to be
weird or odd in need to single out the uncommon communicator. Common
means modern predicate, and uncommon means all other forms.
A jury understands motive and the weird need was the only obvious need
to enter this dicussion.
Why not stalk people in a little less obvious fashion? That is all the
common slanderer is.
And you are still the single incompentent.
note: I got two stripes for that slander rnot. I proved my
contention.
George Hammond
<y.y....@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 8, 9:39 am, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 7, 2:03 am, Jim Black <fmla...@organization.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:02 -0800 (PST), hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > I will even start the list for you, but don't have the time to
>> > > maintain it.
>>
>> > > Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
>> > > ___________________________________________
>> > > Douglas Eagleson
>> > > Laurent
>> > > NoEinstein
>> > > Agent Smith
>> > > pekka.virta
>> > > sir.jean-paul.turc
>> > > OsherD
>> > > Astro Jetson
>> > > malibu
>> > > BURT
>> > > Sanny
>> > > Androcles
>> > > Pentcho Valev
>> > > Mret
>> > > Nomen Nescio
>>
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> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:20:17 -0800 (PST), "Y.Porat"
>
>
>
>
>
> <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 8, 9:39 am, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 7, 2:03 am, Jim Black <fmla...@organization.edu> wrote:
>
> >> > On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:02 -0800 (PST), hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > > I will even start the list for you, but don't have the time to
> >> > > maintain it.
>
> >> > > Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
xxein: It's easy to keep track of who will be on your latest list.
It becomes the process of elimination. Anyone not you or your god
will eventually 'make the list'.
So be a conservationist and just make a <> list.
Benj
> [Hammond]
> Your list is only the tip of the iceberg!
> Here's my list, and includes all those you've listed:
<huge snipola>
> Autymn D. C. lysde...@sbcglobal.net
> n3v3r-0n-5und4y r35p3ct...@hotmail.com
> Demon Lord of Confusion verwarr...@verwirren.confused
> The Demon Prince of Absurdity PHO...@hell.corn
> Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X Ziyo...@gmail.com
> Martin usen...@etiqa.co.uk
> Pmb som...@somewhere.net
> Androcles Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk
> Uncle Vic addr...@withheld.com
<more snipola>
What can I say? Any list that doesn't ignore Autymn D. C. certainly
can allege to have a better claim on "comprehensive"!
And anyway, I DEMAND inclusion into the list based upon the evidence
of my Website www.hypersphere.us in which I totally debunk the theory
of "redshift" and the "big bang" and calculate the true diameter of
the entire universe!
JanPB
>
> [Hammond]
> Your list is only the tip of the iceberg!
> Here's my list, and includes all those you've listed:
>
[snipping the list]
Looks like it's simply the list of all people who told you had no
theory.
--
Jan Bielawski
Dr. Henri Wilson
Which leaves only ME.
Thank you George.
Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
Tom Potter
> On Jan 6, 2:28 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [snip spew]
>
> Is this your way of requesting your name being added to the "I am a
> bleeding moron" list?
Is this your way of requesting your name be added to the
"I am a member of the "squaking parrot" list?
In accordance with Gisse's request,
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050322182425/http://www.edu-observatory.org/cranks.html
Your pal,
--
Tom Potter
http://www.geocities.com/tdp1001/index.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
http://groups.msn.com/PotterPhotos
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Tom Potter
"Jim Black" <fml...@organization.edu> wrote in message
news:ibrzyvxijyq3.13s9i947oe9ne$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:28:33 +0800, Tom Potter wrote:
>
>> joined up with the infamous sci.physics parrots,
>> who attack messengers,
>> rather than address messages
>> in a rational, intelligent, moral way.
>
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005852
Your pal,
Tom Potter
"Traveler" <trav...@noasskissers.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:10:50 GMT, "Dirk Van de moortel"
> <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Androcles" <Engi...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote in message
>>news:qH8gj.112257$S37.1...@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Traveler" <trav...@noasskissers.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fsv1o3p6g0gc7rgtv...@4ax.com...
>>> |
>>> | >Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
>>> | >___________________________________________
>>> | >Douglas Eagleson
>>> | >Laurent
>>> | >NoEinstein
>>> | >Agent Smith
>>> | >pekka.virta
>>> | >sir.jean-paul.turc
>>> | >OsherD
>>> | >Astro Jetson
>>> | >malibu
>>> | >BURT
>>> | >Sanny
>>> | >Androcles
>>> | >Pentcho Valev
>>> | >Mret
>>> | >Nomen Nescio
>>> |
>>> | kook, a flake, a fruitcake and a crank. I refuse to be lumped in with
>>> | ass kissers. It's more honorable to be a crackpot than an ass kisser
>>> | any day. ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
>>> |
>>> | Louis Savain
>>> |
>>> | Rebel Science News:
>>> | http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> The stupid bastard forgot himself, he reckons the space shuttle
>>> can turn right over Buffalo NY and head west at 10,000 mph
>>> on its way to Florida and doesn't fly a great circle.
>>
>>What *could* be a really interesting list, is an overview of crackpot
>>*pairs* who have turned Removing One Another's Last Hairs into
>>a Way of Life.
>>
>>I can immediately think of two pairs:
>>
>> Androcles - Savain
>> Androcles - Henri Wilson
>>
>>Does anyone have a non-Androcles entry?
>
> ahahaha... You're having a hard time restraining your latent
> homosexual tendencies eh, moortel? ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
>
> Louis Savain
I would like to point out an error that
Savain made in his post.
"Dirk Van de moortel" does not have "LATENT" homosexual tendencies.
--
Jeckyl
news:lrn7o3tnmk9u1rk93...@4ax.com...
> Which leaves only ME.
> Thank you George.
I'm actually worried that I am NOT on Hammond's list .. I think he simply
hasn't updated it yet. For George to think you are NOT a crackpot should
worry you immensely
Traveler
wrote:
ahahaha... This is the second time you post this. Do you know
something we don't, Potter? ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Androcles
YBM is Dork's catamite.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
Life is not fair. Hanson get my name on this list. You owe me one Bert
Rock Brentwood
> It is interesting to see that "Jim Black" approves
> of "Jimmy Cartering" folks who make statements
> he objects to.
Hey! Since when is Carter a verb? In normal times one might let
something like this slide by. But over the last 2 days I've been
trying to place where I've seen That Face before (that is: Obama's
strikingly familiar face), especially those lips. At first I thought
it was Hayden Christensen (a.k.a. the younger Darth Vader), which
would be ironic given who is relative is, but then it suddenly it
dawned on me: OBAMA LOOKS LIKE JIMMY CARTER! It's the same face!
hanson
news:19792-478...@storefull-3337.bay.webtv.net...
Dam it when your name is "Herbert" you can't even make the shit list.
Life is not fair. Hanson get my name on this list. You owe me one Bert
>
ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... I know, I know, Herbie.
I know you would love to be in this august, noble & intellectual
company and congregation. But like you say, "Life ain't fair".
>
Besides, you have to petition Gergy/Gorgy/Georgy Hammond,
that other "Ha..." to get onto that coveted list of his COSA
NOSTRA Church...
>
Chances are slim though since Gergy/Gorgy/Georgy knows
that you have publicly denied the existence of God and worse
that you are not a believer in the holey proof of god which
Gergy/Gorgy/Georgy Hammond has invented... Duh!... ahahaha...
>
In the equally possible event where you confused me with still
another poster who has a "Ha..." in his nym, namely OP
Harry Conover, the same general advice as above applies,
except here, with this one you will have to Con-over Harry instead,
to get you onto his list and you must be cognizant of the fact that
Harry is into Buddha's stuff, the dude and wise-man who aptly
declared, - around the time when your own religious forbearer-ilk
was in- and an-cestering in Egypt -, that:
::: "Do not believe simply because you have heard it.
::: Do not believe because it is written in your books.
::: Do not believe in the authority of your teachers and elders.
::: Do not believe in traditions that were handed down for generations.
::: Believe only what you yourself do judge to be true."
-- Gautamo Buddha, ~2600 years ago
>
Herbie, I wish you a happy 2008, a year WITHOUT pain.
Take care, you sweet, old geezer.
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson
Dilaudid
fact, I was just speaking with him and he said George Hammond was Stoopid!
ten years and the spoutin the same shit! none of it bringing you closer to
him or the truth, me I hang just to his right beneath the throne and talkin
all the time about them proofs like the one below. Now you want to know who
is closest to God? Well Riemann he sits just aside him whisperin' in his ear
bout everything includin your crakpot list. Why it was him that tols me bout
yer duplicate pairs. You really must get better at math to get closer to
God!
A Mathematical Proof of God
Given 0 = the absence of God
Given 1 = the presence of God
Let 1 = 1 and 0 = 0 be identities
Let 1/Ľ = 0 and 1/0 = Ľ by definition. See the "Riemann Sphere" giving
true coordinates in free space.
Multiplying both sides
1 X 1 = 1 X 1 and 0 X 0 = 0 X 0
Both true statements that retain the above identities,
1 = 1 and 0 = 0
Conversely, dividing both sides
1/1 = 1/1 and 0/0 = 0/0
Creates
1 = 1 or 1 = 1
However,
0 = 0 becomes 1=1.?
The result
0 = 1 derives something from nothing.
By definition above, 1 = the presence God and 0 = the absence of God, yet we
have shown that 0 = 1 which tacitly implies there is a God qed!
If the classical definition of division is used, {if a x b = c then c ¸
b = a (b š 0)} the existence of God remains undefined. If 1/0 = Ľ by
definition on the Riemann Sphere is used, then God is infinite i.e. ł 1
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> Sorcerer
This is just a small segment of the list of people who know you are a
booger eating moron. Goofball.
>
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Y.Porat
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OK
if it is the (language issue ) that you have against me
i am in a good position (:-)
ps
actually
the degree of my language here is
in accordance of the importance that i give
(**at that specific moment **to the issue ))
if i don't give a shit - the language will be in a 'shit; level (:-))
and as for this case responding to you
i did a spell checking !!
i don't know if there is a grammar checker
keep well
Y.Porat
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Y.Porat
> >Brian Fletcher brian...@bigpond.net.au
> >Bret Cahill BretCah...@aol.com
> >Desertphile desertph...@hotmail.com
> >Robibnikoff" witchy...@broomstick.com
> >quibbler quibbler...@yahoo.com
> >Christopher A. Lee ca...@optonline.net
> >Pittsburgh G...@Steelers.com!
> >Bob Cain arc...@arcanemethods.com
> >SleepyHeed simonharp...@hotmail.co.uk
> >Cujo DeSockpuppet c...@petitmorte.net
> >Lizz Holmans di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk
> >Lorrill Buyens buye...@interlacken.com
> >a_friend a_f_r_i_e_...@hotmail.com
> >goozlefotz grant...@yahoo.com
> >J notanymore
> >Josef Matz josefm...@arcor.de
> >JanPB film...@gmail.com
> >Hexenmeister vanqu...@broom.Mickey
> >Kadaitcha Man <delete>
> >anonymous Reply7471859...@wmconnect.com
> >Angle butifyoulookatitthis...@yahoo.com
> >Eric Gisse jowr...@gmail.com
> >Darkwing theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com
> >Sanity's Little Helper elv...@noshpam.net
> >David A. Smith N: dlzc1 D:cox T:n...@nospam.com
> >Samuel W. Heywood sheyw...@MyRealBox.com
> >Kevin S. Wilson resc...@spro.net
> >Otto Bahn obsc...@Devels.com
> >Glenn Knickerbocker N...@bestweb.net
> >Chris McGonnell smea...@NOkey-net.net
> >Dr. HotSalt mfergers...@cox.net
> >dogsnus dogs...@micron.net
> >Android Cat androidca...@hotmail.com
> >The Sorcerer Headmas...@hogwarts.physics
> >Ferrous Patella mail125...@pop.net
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> >thorazineshuffle thorazineshuf...@gmail.com
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> >Vigyazat vigya...@hotmail.co.uk
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>
> Which leaves only ME.
> Thank you George.
>
> Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
>
> www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
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that is the most cleaver answer i saw untill now
(:-)
who saie dthat this ng is not fun ?? (:-)
Y.Porat
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Bob Cain
> Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
> newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
> constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
> post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
Never name or warn anyone who you have or are about to put in your kill file.
Their response is usually to nym shift. *Never* tell them you aren't listening.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."
A. Einstein
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
news:zwWgj.3672$Z61.153@trnddc07...
to get on anyone's list without even trying.
Wackypedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
lists:
1 Direct proof
2 Proof by induction
3 Proof by transposition
4 Proof by contradiction
5 Proof by construction
6 Proof by exhaustion
7 Probabilistic proof
8 Combinatorial proof
9 Nonconstructive proof
10 Elementary proof
Not included:
11 Proof by "everybody knows" (proof by popular opinion).
12 Proof by "because I say so" (proof by assertion).
13 Proof by "it is written" (proof by appeal to authority).
I reckon Buddha had it right, I don't even believe me sometimes,
especially when I prove me wrong.
Tom Potter
"Bob Cain" <arc...@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
news:4YudneB6nbzPDxna...@giganews.com...
> hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
>> sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
>> newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
>> constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
>> post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
>
> Never name or warn anyone who you have or are about to put in your kill
> file. Their response is usually to nym shift. *Never* tell them you
> aren't listening.
From my observation as a reader of sci.physics
for over ten years,
I suggest that only bigots
who want to silence, drive away, or discredit some victim,
post names of people they claim they have in their kill file,
and that rational, intelligent, civilized folks
wish the bigots would actually put them in their kill file.
The definition of "bigot" is:
"A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions
differing from his own."
Tom Potter
"Rock Brentwood" <mark...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b42db079-3630-4d9a...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
"Rock Brentwood" brings up a good point when he
suggests that Obama might be far ahead of his time,
as Jimmy Carter was.
Jimmy Carter was too far ahead of his time.
He set the stage for the downfall of Russia
by boycotting the Moscow Olympics
which would have put Communist Russia in a very positive light,
and he initiated the concept that Communist Russia was an "Evil Empire".
This concept, which was adopted by Reagan,
was the main factor in the demise of Communist Russia.
A secondary factor, which followed from the
Olympic boycott, was CNN's access to Russian TV.
CNN offered the Russian people their first true view of the West,
and exposed the propaganda of the Russian leadership.
CNN gained access to Russia TV by agreeing to
televise the "Freedom Games" by which Russia
hoped to salvage some of the investment in money and propaganda,
they had made in preparing for the Olympics.
Carter understood that fossil fuels were
coming into short supply, and he took several steps.
( Promotion of renewable and nuclear fuels,
emphasis on conserving energy;
energy efficient cars, lights and devices, etc.)
These steps hurt the economy in the short term,
but were/are ESSENTIAL in the long term.
For example, Carter's petroleum reserve program
hurt the economy short term,
but is/was essential to America's security.
And although there was the unfortunate incident
at Three Mile Island, Carter tried to reassure the
masses that Atomic energy was safe and essential,
by going to Three Mile Island, and showing that
it was not dangerous as the press made it out to be.
Unfortunately comedy shows and media
made this into a big joke.
And Carter made a deal with North Korea
to provide them with nuclear reactors,
and fuel, if they allowed on site inspections
and would forego development of nuclear weapons,
a deal that later presidents reneged on.
And perhaps most importantly,
Carter had the Middle East problem near solution,
until Sharon instigated the assassination of Rabin,
and again later presidents opened wounds,
rather than trying to heal them.
For example, it was obvious to me,
and I am sure many others,
that as soon as Bush took office,
he set about trying to instigate some Muslim to
commit an act of terrorism that he could use as an excuse
to invade Iraq and steal their oil.
It is interesting to observe that the Clinton and Bush
administrations have negated almost all of the far sighted
works of Jimmy Carter, and future presidents will have
to back track and take up where Carter left off.
Carter would have been reelected
if the rescue of the Iran hostages had been successful
but unfortunately, it was not,
due to the mistake of a helicopter pilot.
It in interesting to observe that
the policies of Carter and Bush on the
issues of most important to the future of mankind
( Energy conservation, the environment, peaceful co-existent, etc.
are 180 degrees out of phase.)
If a Carter were president today,
he would be building bridges, rather than walls between nations and
people, and he would be focusing attention of coping with Nature,
rather than waging war with other peoples,
and he would be promoting such things as solar power and LED lighting,
rather the SUV's.
In short, Carter was at least thirty years ahead of his time,
and future presidents will have to retrace his steps
in the coming years.
The Jewish lobby is "Jimmy Cartering" Carter,
as they do ANYONE who dares speak truths
that puts Israel or Jews in an unfavorable light.
Jews and the Jewish Lobby institutionalized bigotry
and the art of attacking messengers,
in order to avoid having to address messages
in a rational, intelligent, MORAL way,
and this tactic has been adopted by the Bush Gang.
NO doubt in a few years,
it will be a mark of honor to be "Jimmy Cartered",
as when someone is "Jimmy Cartered", it almost always indicates
that they had the interests of honesty, morality, and justice at heart,
and were willing to take the slings and arrows.
(Although almost all wimp out as Mel Gibson did,
after being gang banged by the bigot machine.)
Considering that most of the politicians at the national level
have been bought or intimidated by the Jewish Lobby,
it is encouraging to see that Jimmy Carter has the honesty and courage,
and love for America to speak truths that need to be spoken.
Lesser men would (And do) parrot the lies, or wimp out,
and retire in comfort and ease,
rather than take a stand to improve the lot
of their children and grandchildren.
Thanks Rocky for addressing the serious issue
of how "Jimmy Cartering" is used to promote
selfish racial and religious agendas.
Let us hope that Obama is as moral, intelligent,
and as far ahead of his time, as Jimmy Carter was.
Your pal,
Tom Potter
As a long time observer of human behavior,
who has interviewed thousands of people,
and analyzed the resumes of tens of thousands of people,
I have observed that real MEN tend to be independent,
whereas GIRLY MEN tend to be bitchy and negative,
and to form tight bonds with other GIRLY MEN.
If it looks like a GIRLY MAN,
bitches like a GIRLY MAN,
and bonds with GIRLY MEN,
it's probably a GIRLY MAN.
hanson
Aww... poor Herbie. I pity him, especially since
I seem to get on anyone's list without even trying.
>
AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...
Hey, what can I tell you, Andro... You are a popular man!...
... much envied & beloved by the Einstein Dingleberry crowd.
You'd win the prize and any election!... Kudos!... Congrats!
>
[Andro]
Wackypedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof
lists:
1 Direct proof
2 Proof by induction
3 Proof by transposition
4 Proof by contradiction
5 Proof by construction
6 Proof by exhaustion
7 Probabilistic proof
8 Combinatorial proof
9 Nonconstructive proof
10 Elementary proof
>
Not included:
>
11 Proof by "everybody knows" (proof by popular opinion).
12 Proof by "because I say so" (proof by assertion).
13 Proof by "it is written" (proof by appeal to authority).
>
I reckon Buddha had it right, I don't even believe me sometimes,
especially when I prove me wrong.
>
... ahahaha... Conspicuously absent in all those scholarly
proof-LISTS is the most obvious one: ** "Proof by PROOF" **,
notwithstanding the gas-tight one:..... ** "Proof by POOF" **.
... ffffFffft!... Thanks for the laughs... ahahahanson...
>
PS:
The latter proof assertion is illustrated by the note below
which makes the e-mail circuits of the ladies right now:
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Montana" <mon...@boardrunner.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Baked Beans- This Is Good
Baked Beans -
One day I met a sweet gentleman and fell in love.
When it became apparent that we would marry,
I made the supreme sacrifice and gave up beans.
Some months later, on my birthday,
my car broke down on the way home from work.
Since I lived in the countryside I called my husband and
told him that I would be late because I had to walk home.
On my way, I passed by a small diner and the odor of
baked beans was more than I could stand.
With miles to walk, I figured that I would walk off any ill effects
by the time I reached home, so I stopped at the diner and
I consumed three large orders of baked beans.
All the way home, I made sure that I released all the gas.
Upon arrival, my husband seemed excited to see me & exclaimed
delightedly: "Darling I have a surprise for dinner tonight."
He then blindfolded me and led me to my chair at the dinner table.
I took a seat and just as he was about to remove my blindfold,
the telephone rang. He made me promise not to touch the blindfold
until he returned and went to answer the call.
The baked beans I had consumed were still affecting me and the
pressure was becoming most unbearable, so while my husband
was out of the room I seized the opportunity, shifted my weight to
one leg and let one go.
It was not only loud, but it smelled like a fertilizer truck running over a
skunk in front of a pulpwood mill. I took my napkin from my lap and
fanned the air around me vigorously.
Then, shifting to the other cheek, I ripped off three more. The stink
was worse than cooked cabbage.
Keeping my ears carefully tuned to the conversation in the other
room, I went on like this for another few minutes. The pleasure was
indescribable.
When eventually the telephone farewells signaled the end of my
freedom, I quickly fanned the air a few more times with my napkin,
placed it on my lap and folded my hands back on it feeling very
relieved and pleased with myself.
My face must have been the picture of innocence when my husband
returned, apologizing for taking so long.
He asked me if I had peeked through the blindfold, and I assured him
I had not.
At this point, he removed the blindfold, and twelve dinner guests
seated around the table chorused: "Happy Birthday!"
Jeff☠Relf
When ( thinking to myself ) I start grokking that I'm a crackpot,
I quickly change topics, avoiding the torment.
My analysis of
“ who got the most attention from those who got the most attention ”
[ a.k.a. “ The squeakiest wheels ” ] shows [ in order ]:
“ NoEinstein, Sam_Wormley, George_Hammond, Protagonist, BURT
, Tom_Potter, festusbyrne, Eric_Gisse, Sanny, Randy_Poe, hanson
, Laurent, Tani_Jantsang©, Jeckyl, Greg_Neill, US, Traveler
, N_dlzc_D_aol_T, hhc314_yahoo, Jim_Black ”.
This analysis, done by my hand-rolled newsreader,
includes posts from the last 24 days but
only the 33 most-recent posts of any one “ author ” were retained.
The full list is at: “ www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/_Phy_R.TXT ”.
X.EXE and it's settings ( X.TXT ) are at:
“ www.Cotse.NET/users/jeffrelf/Games.ZIP ”.
Androcles
As I kid and like most kids I became familiar with baked beans
but I still don't know to this day what variety of legume is best
eaten when baked.
red beans, green beans, butter beans, broad beans,
dried beans, soy beans, kidney beans, haricot beans,
pinto beans, green peas, split peas, chic peas, dried peas,
marrowfat peas...
Without the sauce the damned things are as tasteless as farting
at a dinner table with invited gusts... err... guests.
Eric Gisse
> I can't tell you who's a “ crackpot ”, I wouldn't even try.
> When ( thinking to myself ) I start grokking that I'm a crackpot,
> I quickly change topics, avoiding the torment.
Yet you continue posting here regardless.
G=EMC^2 Glazier
have A good sense of humor. I think i'll need it for 2008. Long time
webby Bert
Jeff☠Relf
crap he neither likes nor understands ?
Do you need a girl friend ? something to do on those long dark nights ?
Can't handel Mr. NoEinstein ? don't know how to search WikiPedia ?
No school work ? What's your problem ?
Eric Gisse
You, and people like you. People who insist on commenting on what they
do not understand along those who insist on filling this newsgroup
with inane babble.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> > Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
> > ___________________________________________
> > Nomen Nescio
>
> Some usenet anonymizers insert "Nomen Nescio" ("name
> not known" = anonymous) as the "From" name. Nomen
> Nescio is not one, single person. A lot of people
> who post anonymously are legit and not crackpots.
In reality, it is the real physics content of their posts which
determine if they are crackpots or not. This discriminate is easy to
make for anyone having a backgournd in physics.
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:39:02 -0800 (PST), hhc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> > sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant benefit to the
> > newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
> > constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
> > post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
>
> did anyone any good. But here is what was done:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/852db15d48dd66dchttp://web.archive.org/web/20050322182425/http://www.edu-observatory....
>
> There are a lot of recognizable kooks on the lists, but of course I can't
> be sure everyone on the list deserved it because I didn't compile them
> myself. In particular, the inclusion of Pmb on one of the lists may have
> had more to do with his perverse conventions and argumentative nature than
> real crackpottery.
>
> Along the same lines, Dirk van de Moortel has a collection of stupid and
> funny posts:
>
> http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/ImmortalFumbles.html
>
> I notice you are posting via Google. If it is possible for you to access a
> news server, I would highly recommend switching to a real newsreader. In
> that case, a crackpot list would directly benefit you because you could
> filter out the posts from cranks. In some newsreaders (for example, 40tude
> Dialog), you can filter out the replies to these posts, too.
>
> There is little to nothing that can be done to change what other people
> post on an unmoderated newsgroup. But filtering out trash can be done
> suprisingly well, despite the fact that the noise exceeds the signal.
> Unfortunately, the remaining signal is small because many people are turned
> away by the high level of noise. Thus our best hope for improving the
> newsgroup is to speed up the process of learning how to use a killfile
> effectively.
>
> If there is interest I may post a section of my killfile, which would be
> more up-to-date than the lists above, although it would include plenty of
> political posters and spammers as well as good old scientific crackpots.
> But if there isn't much interest, I'd rather not name any names.
>
> --
> Jim E. Black (domain in headers)
> How to filter out stupid arguments in 40tude Dialog:
> !markread,ignore From "Name" +"<email address>"
> [X] Watch/Ignore works on subthreads
Hi Jim,
I appreciate your links posted, but on first glance, some of them see
to be a bit dated. Yes, many of us here remember Archie Pu, and he has
posted rather recently, or else someone using his classical signature.
I have to credit old Archie, because he was a gentleman and never
flamed anyone responding to his silly posts. Was Archie a diswasher a
Dartmout is a fact that I seriously doubt, I tend to believe that he
was an actual scholar having a bit of fun with all of us.
Jim, there are ligitimate reasons why I don't post using Comcast,
mostly because ther are so many people here on the 'Net. The point is
that I simply reveal my email address as needed, to people that I know
to be trusworthy, and on rare occasions on certain newsgroups. For
example, I doubt that anyone who is a regular particant in
rec.pyrotechnics doesn't know my email address.
The virtue of using a free email address, is that when the email
address is abused, you can always abandone the last, and create a new
one. Something to think about when your spam bomber targets your email
address to a deluge of hundreds of spams/hour.
Harry C.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5b49ce4f-a881-42c2...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> | Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> | sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant
>
> continue, flake.
> It's sufficiently signifant that you believe the shuttle makes
> a right turn over Buffalo, NY and heads west at 10,000 mph to
> qualify you as a crackpot.
Androclese, just noting that it shuttle landed safely, and it was
tracked all the way by tracking reports that you can find on NASA and
other internet sites.
My the way, your posts would be much more credible were you to post
under your real name, as I do.
Crackpots tend to post using crackpots names, which prevents serious
discussion.
Harry C.
p,s., I'm a real person, I post using the name Harry C., but am
really Harry Conover (no, not the modeling agency guy), and my email
address is hhc...@yahoo.com. The identificat of almost all crackpot
posters on this newsgroup is that as a group, they all try to hide
behind an anonymous facade, which reveals them to be of the psychotic,
crackpot or Internet flake mentality.
Now guy or gal, I would understand you reluctance to post your actual
identity when posting on some sort of a porn newsgroup, but on a group
like sci.physics, it to me doesn't make sense. That's why some of us
actualy physicists here tend to dismiss you as flakes, or mental
patients.
Some of us here, including myself, are capable of trying to become
quite helpful, if only we knew what the facts are.
Care to explain? Yes, the Internet can be a dangerous place, and
many of the posters here can be rather malicious. The only thing that
I can say to you on that is to go and Google their pasts posts. Here,
Google is indeed your friend.
hhc...@yahoo.com
> On Jan 5, 6:39 pm, "hhc...@yahoo.com" <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> > newbie physics students posting here for the first time that someone
> > constructed a listing of the known crackpots and clueless who tend to
> > post silly theories and otherwise crap to the newsgroup.
>
> > someone to do this.
>
> > Being the usual lazy bastard but actual physicist that I am, I'd
> > prefer to delegate this responsibility to someone else, preferably a
> > second or third year undergraduate at a university of some
> > crediblity.
>
> > The point in doing such a service is that students who have completed
> > at least Physic 101 with calculus are, or should be, capable of
> > determining the crackpot posters. On their identification, physics
> > students can be prevent from expending their time considering the
> > detailed content of many of these crackpot posts. The actual time that
> > these guys save from the crackpots would enable them to focus more on
> > their upcoming Theoretical Mechanics or Electromagnetics exam, that
> > these nonsense posts who repeatedly originate from the same small
> > group of posters,
>
> > I will even start the list for you, but don't have the time to
> > maintain it.
>
> > ___________________________________________
> > Laurent
> > NoEinstein
> > Agent Smith
> > pekka.virta
> > sir.jean-paul.turc
> > OsherD
> > Astro Jetson
> > malibu
> > BURT
> > Sanny
> > Androcles
> > Pentcho Valev
> > Mret
> > Nomen Nescio
>
> > posts. It it really hard for me to decide if they actually belive what
> > they post, or if they are simply playing a joke. I find it interesting
> > that not one of these posters dare to attach his/her real name to
> > their posts. Tells a story in itself.
>
> > I invite any physics student or physicist to add to this list. I did
> > my 15 minites of work on this, because quite frankly, the clueless
> > anti-Einstein folks simply piss me off. After all, how stupid can
> > anyone be?
>
> > Then too, there is an upside for this newsgroup composed of people
> > that actually post on real science.
>
> > People that post real science on sci.physics
> > _____________________________________
> > Sam Wormley
>
> > Anybody else want to stand up and take credit?
>
> > Hey, real physics people, you are now likey awating the outcome of
> > your mid-terms, and I wish you the best of luck. Hopefully we will see
> > you here when you are taking your finals.
>
> > Also, if you are a physics major, you likely have to take a few course
> > given by you schools E.E. department such as circuits and electronics.
> > The E.E. deparment at most universities like to throw a few zingers at
> > the physics students. Typicaly in a DC Circuts final exam, they like
> > to throw in one problem involving a triode vacuum tube, which is in
> > itself an evil thing to do with students who have never studied vacuum
> > tube characteristics. Take not of this: The grid of a triode vacuum
> > tube draws no current when negatively biased, Most E.E. students know
> > this, but few physics students do. It's a common but trick question,
> > usually put into the E.E. exams to give the illusion that the E.E.
> > students ,,, Nah, I don't want to go there!
>
> > Hey guys, remember that I didn't tell you to rehearse this one. It's a
> > sleeper, because most students oday, particularly physics majors,
> > don't study vacuum tube technology. Rest assured that you E.E.
> > couterparts have been drilled on this, if for no other justification
> > than CRTs are vacuum tubes, and still in use.
>
> > Heck, wait until you physics major have to complete two or three
> > semesters of physical chemistry. If you thing that an E.E. department
> > can weight the tests in favor of their students, just wait until you
> > see what the chemistry department can do! Hint: Organics, molecular
> > weight. Learn them for the majority of hydrocarbons, and other common
> > orgaic compounds. As a physics student, if you have to ask, 10-points
> > is generally detracted from your exam grade. Welcome to hardcore
> > ball! :-)
>
> > Serious, these crackpot post from guys who have never cracked a
> > Physics 101 course have go to go from this newsgroup, You know that.
> > Otherwise sci.physics is worthless as a resource, and years back the
> > newsgroup was very useful to have a physicist expain the approach to
> > use in solving a difficult problem, but that's no the case today.
>
> > Help out if you can, by citing the culprits and maybe flaming them to
> > the extent where they leave this sci newsgroup to an alt hierarchy,
> > where they will be appreciates.
>
> > Harry C.
>
> > .
>
> you have to defend yourself in court now.
>
> The vernacular of common law was upheld by the likes of me, see you
> there.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Doug, God help you if you ever find yourself in a case in commonn
law, in which they produce a physics textbook submittd in evidence.
Ignorant crackpot... Do you even know what the "so called" 'Common
Law' addresses. Whoa, if you do't!
Have you had sex with any woman... Then quickly Seek legal help!
Harry C.
Douglas Eagleson
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, common law states, common speak as admisable. And intention to
decieve as felony. So play common deceiver. Your a felon now. Wire
fraud, I will extend the law. And you will be the test case.
You seek to take from me a service, my ability to provide services.
Rushtown
wrote:
> Here's my Crackpot/Flake list:
>
> Androcles
> Sam Wormley
> Henry
> PD
> Lester Zick
> NoEinstein
> Uncle Al
> Eric Gisse
> a_plutonium
> Randy Poe
> G=EMC^2 Glazier
> Jeff☠Relf
> BURT
> Al Dykes
> hanson
> BradGuth
> Dr. Henri Wilson
> Pentcho Valev
> Jeckyl
> OsherD
> JM Albuquerque
> Y.Porat
> tadchem
> kenseto
> Igor
> N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
> Benj
> hhc...@yahoo.com
> Don Stockbauer
> Traveler
> Pmb
> CWatters
> Autymn D. C.
> Dono
> Tom Potter
> kdth...@yahoo.com
> don findlay
> malibu
> BDK
> HangEveryRepubliKKKan
> rb608
> The Ghost In The Machine
> Laurent
> RH Nigl / GH Diel
> s...@microtec.net
> Puppet_Sock
> Douglas Eagleson
> Sue...
> Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com
> George Dishman
> Bertie the Bunyip
> David R Tribble
> uri
> V-for-Vendicar
> Proginoskes
> SHOOTER586
> nottooo...@hotmail.com
> zzbun...@netscape.net
> Dan Bloomquist
> Willie.Moo...@gmail.com
> Bhanwara
> Jim Black
> Archimedes Plutonium
> John Jones
> Tom Roberts
> Dirk Van de moortel
> Koobee Wublee
> bz
> gb6...@yahoo.com
> George Hammond
> Jan Panteltje
> josephus
> Juan R.
> Ken S. Tucker
> Robert Clark
> Nomen Nescio
> RH Nigl
> RP
> Ye Old One
> Bob Cain
> Geoff
> gb
> Vince Morgan
> Paul Cardinale
> datakoll
> Dennis M. Hammes
> MobyDikc
> Bryan Olson
> festusby...@btinternet.com
> Florian
> galathaea
> kens...@erinet.com
> Rock Brentwood
> johnlawrencereedjr
> nonsense
> J. Taylor
> nightbat
> Salmon Egg
> Gordon
> harry
> John C. Polasek
> Paul B. Andersen
> tj Frazir
> animal02
> David Morgan (MAMS)
> GSS
> Karl Johanson
> Michael Gray
> Roland PJRushtown
> Al Klein
> brian fletcher
> Calvin
> colp
> ivlova
> JanPB
> Jerry
> lwal...@lausd.net
> Rand Simberg
> Shubee
> Szczepan Bialek
> William Hayes
> ayaz
> Chris Marx c/owww.paf.li
> Dwib
> Larry Snyder
> Shrew_D
> Tonico
> Yanick Toutain
> Bill Ward
> gb6726
> Immortalist
> Michael Hell
> Patriot Games
> Peter Jason
> Simple Simon
> David
> John P.
> Rich Grise
> Arny Krueger
> Dave Seaman
> Gatt
> Ken Quirici
> Art Deco
> biggus
> Bruce Scott TOK
> David Johnston
> David V.
> Dr. Jai Maharaj
> Front Office
> Kurt Lochner
> Marshall
> qzectb
> Stephen Montgomery-Smith
> Wolf Kirchmeir
> Almond
> boson boss
> krw
> Mike
> mike3
> mL
> Pat Flannery
> Paul
> PhDs.org
> porky_pig...@my-deja.com
> Yousuf Khan
> Bill Penrose
> Darrell Stec
> Eric Chomko
> greysky
> HC
> kirovs
> Mxsmanic
> Ned
> Ralph Hertle
> Thomas
> Timo Nieminen
> Unknown
> William Hughes
> z
> Ace0f_5pades
> Arindam Banerjee
> Bill M
> ChairmanOfTheBored
> Einar
> HardySpicer
> Jim
> John Fields
> Pranab
> Sanny
> Talk-n-Dog
> American
> Anonymous
> Fran
> Free Lunch
> Lloyd
> M.I.5�
> Michael Press
> nada
> Anton
> Bill
> Bonzo
> Cory Albrecht
> Crackles McFarly
> Don
> Don Lancaster
> Eric Baird
> foolsrushin.
> Iarnrod
> John Park
> OG
> pipoxyz
> Prisoner at War
> Scott
> William Asher
> _ Prof. Jonez _
> Alen
> Angus Rodgers
> blackboab
> carlfo...@comcast.net
> d....@hotmail.com
> Daniel Grubb
> Eddie
> Han de Bruijn
> John Bailey
> Max Keon
> Oncle Dom
> Pepe le Pew
> Rich
> Richard Tobin
> Roger Coppock
> Stephen Sprunk
> Buteo lineatus
> chatnoir
> Chris
> Chris L Peterson
> Don Kelly
> Evird
> Fallingeagle
> G
> gu...@hotmail.com
> I Was A Teenage Queerwolf
> IsaacKuo
> Jim Logajan
> John Baker
> JosephKK
> rem...@aol.com
> schoenfeld....@gmail.com
> sid
> Tani Jantsang�
> Timberwoof
> Tom Sherman
> A Muzi
> BernardZ
> Bob Eld
> Camilo
> Cecil Moore
> Chris Morton
> Clive George
> Colonel Sanders
> Darrell Lakin
> Darwin123
> Dave L. Renfro
> Denis Feldmann
> Don Shepherd
> 'foolsrushin.'
> Greatest Mining Pioneer of Australia of all Times
> Herman Rubin
> Ian Macmillan
> Irev
> jcon
> Jeff Liebermann
> John M.
> John Popelish
> Jong Kim
> kunzmilan
> Malatesta
> Marvin
> Miller
> noman
> papar...@gmail.com
> Paul Holbach
> Peter Webb
> Phil Carmody
> RHN / GHD
> Savageduck
> Scott Hedrick
> Sptth
> Steve Thompson
> Amicus Briefs
> animal05
> Bawana
> Bob Casanova
> bob young
> Boris Mohar
> Carlos L
> Chalo
> Craig Markwardt
> ctrpapa
> Erdemal
> Ethan Winer
> Evig
> Fred Kasner
> Hagar
> herbzet
> John Griffin
> kduc
> kiloVolts
> kmiller
> Mark Thorson
> Mike Matthews
> mrdarr...@gmail.com
> oldcoot
> Rainbowrider
> Richard Schultz
> Ryan Cousineau
> Scott H
> SNIPSPAM
> Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk
> Tuo
> xray4abc
> Yuan...@gmail.com
> 2-bit
> Akira Bergman
> Alain Fournier
> Army1987
> art_deco_erfc_1...@yahoo.com
> Barrow
> Boris Borcic
> Brian Thorn
> Captain America
> Charles & Mambo Duckman
> Charles D. Bohne
> chemist
> David Bernier
> David C. Ullrich
> David Johnson
> Eric Rowley
> faraz...@hotmail.com
> Fred Bloggs
> Glenn
> Green Xenon [Radium]
> Herman Trivilino
> Hero
> Ivar Rosquist
> Jeff Findley
> Jian
> Jim E
> jimbo
> JMA
> Jonathan
> kwag7...@hotmail.com
> Leythos
> local host
> Matthew L. Martin
> Max Herrmann
> Michael Bulatovich
> mohammadsidiquekhan
> MooseFET
> movers
> Mret
> Old Pif
> Ouroboros_Rex
> Paul F. Dietz
> Rainer Rosenthal
> Richard Herring
> Rob Kleinschmidt
> robert casey
> Robert Israel
> Robert Karl Stonjek
> seven7sisters
> Sevenhundred Elves
> Stuart
> TT
> _Pnina Gersten_
> Aleks Kleyn
> Angelo
> Anim8rFSK
> BDS
> Ben Rudiak-Gould
> Bernhard Kuemel
> b...@coolgroups.com
> Bruce
> bsr3...@my-deja.com
> Cardinal Chunder
> Chadd 4ever
> chilldown
> Claude Weil
> Crowfoot
> Don Pearce
> Eriw
> Gerald L. O'Barr
> GovShill
> hagman
> hetware
> ivanb
> James Whitehead
> Jamie
> JimboCat
> jjsav...@gmail.com
> John Kepler
> John Vreeland
> jon
> Jon Slaughter
> Jonathan Kirwan
> lab~rat >:-
> lucien.coste
> Mark Conrad
> Max
> mountain man
> neilist
> Non scrivetemi
> NovaJoe
> nu-monet v9.0
> Obama WINS!
> Phil Holman
> Punjab The Sailor Man
> Richard Henry
> richard schumacher
> Robert Adsett
> Ross A. Finlayson
> Sancho's Atomic Trousers
> seon ferguson
> Shadowland
> Tim
> Tom Van Flandern
> Uncle Archie Relf
> Victor Eijkhout
> vincen...@yahoo.com
> Walt
> wcecs_2...@iaeng.org
> William Elliot
> Window Licking
> YBM
> adam.trepczyn...@web.de
> Gene Pool
> Glen Walpert
> Guy Macon
> hari.ku...@indero.com
> Harvey
> hogan...@gmail.com
> Hop David
> huha
> J Seymour MacNicely
> Jack Linthicum
> jake
> Jesse F. Hughes
> John
> John Rennie
> Kelsey Bjarnason
> Klaus H
> Koos Nolst Trenite
> Leo Lichtman
> Leonardo Been
> Lucifer
> Mac the Nice
> Madalch
> Martin
> Martin Hogbin
> Mas Plak
> maxwell
> michaelsnyder
> Mike Coon
> mxer...@gmail.com
> Odysseus
> Osiris88
> Phil
> Planet Jupiter
> quasi
> R.H. Allen
> ray
> Robert Baer
> Robibnikoff
> Sadie Hawkins Day
> Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
> Scott Dorsey
> Sjouke Burry
> SODDI
> SODDI's Air Loom Gang
> Stan
> Surfer
> Taras_96
> techie
> Tedd Jacobs
> The Translucent Amoebae
> tomnln
> Tunderbar
> Vandar
> Victor Velazquez
> Werewolfy
> Wordsmith
> Wowow
> Xaustein
> Y.y.Porat
> Zabo
> zinnic
> _dee
> Aatu Koskensilta
> adin.ar...@gmail.com
> aeffects
> ah
> alamre...@yahoo.com
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I am honored to be (properly) listed in the same group as Uncle Al.
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Jeff☠Relf
is or isn't “ inane babble ”, Gisse... I missed that event.
Androcles
<hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 6, 3:56 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics_c> wrote:
> <hhc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5b49ce4f-a881-42c2...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> | Considering the number of flakes/crackpots currently posting to
> | sci.physics, I believe that it would be of signifant
>
> That's far enough. When we know what "signifant" means you can
> continue, flake.
> It's sufficiently signifant that you believe the shuttle makes
> a right turn over Buffalo, NY and heads west at 10,000 mph to
> qualify you as a crackpot.
: Androclese, just noting that it shuttle landed safely, and it was
: tracked all the way by tracking reports that you can find on NASA and
: other internet sites.
hhc314, without going anywhere near Buffalo NY, you maniac, and certainly
not changing direction at 10,000 mph, you drunken fuckwit. Put yourself
at the top of your crank list.
Now piss off and quit whining about my name, hhc314, fucking lunatic.
Rock Brentwood
> 7 Probabilistic proof
> Not included:
>
> 11 Proof by "everybody knows" (proof by popular opinion).
> 12 Proof by "because I say so" (proof by assertion).
> 13 Proof by "it is written" (proof by appeal to authority).
All three of those fall under 7. It's an application of Bayes' rule to
assessing the probability that something is correct given that someone
or a group of people say it is so.
This is a valid means of probabilistc reasoning and, in fact, is no
less than the very foundation of our democracy. The general phenomenon
is also known in the literature as the "Wisdom of the Masses" -- the
phenomenon whereby a group of people can exhibit a higher intelligence
collectively than any one of their members do individually.
If "everybody knows" it is true, then it usually is. For, it's a lot
less likely for everybody to be wrong than for any one person to be
wrong.
OsherD
> is also known in the literature as the "Wisdom of the Masses" -- the
> phenomenon whereby a group of people can exhibit a higher intelligence
> collectively than any one of their members do individually.
>
> If "everybody knows" it is true, then it usually is. For, it's a lot
> less likely for everybody to be wrong than for any one person to be
> wrong.
[My reply (Osher Doctorow)]:
Rock Brentwood's inability to discriminate Pluralities from
Individuals is roughly on a par with Harry C.'s hhc314's and Jim
Black's and Tom Davidson's inabilities. A group of people is composed
of Individuals and nothing else. If all the Individuals of such a
group are removed, the group disappears.
People who worship Pluralities, including "humanity" (never actually
encounted in the full Plurality by anybody, luckily for them),
"workers" (who the heck doesn't work?), "underdogs" (usually the
criminals who've committed such crimes as murder, rape, assault,
battery, robbery, grand larceny, or the ethnic groups from which they
mostly come and which most defend them), tenured profs or tenured
teachers (usually exhibitionists who never go on strike for students
but always for either their own salaries or perks), etc., basically
have an inability to discriminate, an inability to recognize the
difference between the abstract and the concrete, and an inability to
separate from their parents' or peers' views.
Osher Doctorow
Yanick Toutain
Could you create a list of the true partisans of Newton, the partisans
of absolute space, absolutes places, absolute speed, absolute time
Democritos
Epicuros
Titus Lucretius
I Newton
F Engels
VI Lenine
and me Yanick Toutain
I'm looking for the others ...
YT
Traveler
Well, I don't believe in the existence of space but I do believe that
everything that exists is absolute and that the relative is abstract.
Denying the existence of absolute position and motion (as relativists
do) is stupid and laughable. It's pathological. It's a flat-earth
mentality in the extreme. My dog is smarter. ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Nasty Little Truths About Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm
p-reine
Tu peux déjà te retirer de la liste car tu n'as strictement rien
compris à Newton (ou à quoi que ce soit d'autre).
--
p-reine
Dr. Henri Wilson
<yanick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Henri Wilson. ASTC,BSc,DSc(T)
www.users.bigpond.com/hewn/index.htm
Relativists believe that a rotating Sagnac viewed in the rotating frame is identical to a nonrotating one viewed from the nonrotating frame. Hahahaha! What about all the imaginary effects?
Dr. Henri Wilson
<yanick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
A spatial interval is absolute and universal. Space itself is absolute wrt any
arbitrary zero point.
Time 'flow' and hence time 'interval' are absolute and universal. Time
'instant' is absolute wrt any arbitrary zero instant.
Jim Black
> Thank you
> Could you create a list of the true partisans of Newton, the partisans
> of absolute space, absolutes places, absolute speed, absolute time
You forgot absolute vertical direction!
mariposas rand mair fheal
HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
> A spatial interval is absolute and universal. Space itself is absolute wrt
> any
> arbitrary zero point.
absolute means the zero point is not arbitrary
arf meow arf - everything thing i know i learned
from the collective unconscience of odd bodkins
sacramento - political pigsty of the western world
or a babys arm holding an apple
Peter J Ross
<fml...@organization.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:24:10 -0800 (PST), Yanick Toutain wrote:
>
>> Thank you
>> Could you create a list of the true partisans of Newton, the partisans
>> of absolute space, absolutes places, absolute speed, absolute time
>
> You forgot absolute vertical direction!
He/she/it also forgot absolute zero, or, to put it another way, the
amount of sense his/her/its post made. Er... Lenin???
Btw, I was able to help somebody by quoting your signature recently.
Thanks.
--
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Cork Soaker
"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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: On Jan 8, 11:06 am, George Hammond <Nowhe...@notspam.org> wrote:
:
: > [Hammond]
: > Your list is only the tip of the iceberg!
: > Here's my list, and includes all those you've listed:
:
: <huge snipola>
:
: > Autymn D. C. lysde...@sbcglobal.net
: > n3v3r-0n-5und4y r35p3ct...@hotmail.com
: > Demon Lord of Confusion verwarr...@verwirren.confused
: > The Demon Prince of Absurdity PHO...@hell.corn
: > Z 1 Y 0 N 3 X Ziyo...@gmail.com
: > Martin usen...@etiqa.co.uk
: > Pmb som...@somewhere.net
: > Androcles Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk
: > Uncle Vic addr...@withheld.com
:
: <more snipola>
:
: What can I say? Any list that doesn't ignore Autymn D. C. certainly
: can allege to have a better claim on "comprehensive"!
:
: And anyway, I DEMAND inclusion into the list based upon the evidence
: of my Website www.hypersphere.us in which I totally debunk the theory
: of "redshift" and the "big bang" and calculate the true diameter of
: the entire universe!
:
Can I read it later, please?
Cork Soaker
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that is the most cleaver answer i saw untill now
(:-)
who saie dthat this ng is not fun ?? (:-)
Y.Porat
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What?
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Cork Soaker
"Dilaudid" <dda...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4784608a$0$11373$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
: This is bullshit, you posted some people twice and I found proof of God in
: fact, I was just speaking with him and he said George Hammond was Stoopid!
: ten years and the spoutin the same shit! none of it bringing you closer to
: him or the truth, me I hang just to his right beneath the throne and
talkin
: all the time about them proofs like the one below. Now you want to know
who
: is closest to God? Well Riemann he sits just aside him whisperin' in his
ear
: bout everything includin your crakpot list. Why it was him that tols me
bout
: yer duplicate pairs. You really must get better at math to get closer to
: God!
:
: A Mathematical Proof of God
:
:
:
:
:
: Given 0 = the absence of God
:
:
:
: Given 1 = the presence of God
:
:
:
: Let 1 = 1 and 0 = 0 be identities
:
:
:
: Let 1/Ą = 0 and 1/0 = Ą by definition. See the "Riemann Sphere" giving
: true coordinates in free space.
:
:
:
: Multiplying both sides
:
:
:
: 1 X 1 = 1 X 1 and 0 X 0 = 0 X 0
:
:
:
: Both true statements that retain the above identities,
:
:
:
: 1 = 1 and 0 = 0
:
:
:
: Conversely, dividing both sides
:
:
:
: 1/1 = 1/1 and 0/0 = 0/0
:
:
:
: Creates
:
:
:
: 1 = 1 or 1 = 1
:
:
:
: However,
:
:
:
: 0 = 0 becomes 1=1.?
:
:
:
: The result
:
:
:
: 0 = 1 derives something from nothing.
:
:
:
: By definition above, 1 = the presence God and 0 = the absence of God, yet
we
: have shown that 0 = 1 which tacitly implies there is a God qed!
:
:
:
: If the classical definition of division is used, {if a x b = c then c
¸
: b = a (b ą 0)} the existence of God remains undefined. If 1/0 = Ą by
: definition on the Riemann Sphere is used, then God is infinite i.e. ł 1
:
:
:
I'm confused. Am I a God or not?
Yanick Toutain
> YanickToutaina écrit :
J'utilise le "vous" avec les escrocs relativistes.
Les escrocs relativistes ignorants utilisent le "tu"
Peut-être est-ce un "thou" de déférence vers la divinité de la part
des mystiques
Allez donc lire Newton !!!!
http://monsyte.site.voila.fr/de/SCIENCES/scphys/textes_scientifiques_sources/Newton/Newton_Principia_original_et_Chatelet.htm
Vous semblez aussi ignare en matière de newtonisme que quant aux
cycloïdes que vous avez vu apparaitre dans les zigzags : vous ne vous
êtes pas excusé de votre erreur !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/fr.sci.astrophysique/browse_thread/thread/511f50c1603ba55e/55e0a495ad4d5841?hl=fr&lnk=st&q=#55e0a495ad4d5841
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http://members.tripod.com/~gravitee/definitions.htm
SCHOLIUM.
Hitherto I have laid down the definitions of such words as are less
known, and explained the sense in which I would have them to be
understood in the following discourse. I do not define time, space,
place and motion, as being well known to all. Only I must observe,
that the vulgar conceive those quantities under no other notions but
from the relation they bear to sensible objects. And thence arise
certain prejudices, for the removing of which, it will be convenient
to distinguish them into absolute and relative, true and apparent,
mathematical and common.
I. Absolute, true, and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own
nature flows equably without regard to anything external, and by
another name is called duration: relative, apparent, and common time,
is some sensible and external (whether accurate or unequable) measure
of duration by the means of motion, which is commonly used instead of
true time; such as an hour, a day, a month, a year.
II. Absolute space, in its own nature, without regard to anything
external, remains always similar and immovable. Relative space is some
movable dimension or measure of the absolute spaces; which our senses
determine by its position to bodies; and which is vulgarly taken for
immovable space; such is the dimension of a subterraneaneous, an
æreal, or celestial space, determined by its position in respect of
the earth. Absolute and relative space, are the same in figure and
magnitude; but they do not remain always numerically the same. For if
the earth, for instance, moves, a space of our air, which relatively
and in respect of the earth remains always the same, will at one time
be one part of the absolute space into which the air passes; at
another time it will be another part of the same, and so, absolutely
understood, it will be perpetually mutable.
III. Place is a part of space which a body takes up, and is according
to the space, either absolute or relative. I say, a part of space; not
the situation nor the external surface of the body. For the places of
equal solids are always equal; but their superfices, by reason of
their dissimilar figures, are often unequal. Positions properly have
no quantity, nor are they so much the places themselves, as the
properties of places. The motion of the whole is the same thing with
the sum of the motions of the parts; that is, the translation of the
whole, out of its place, is the same thing with the sum of the
translations of the parts out of their places; and therefore the place
of the whole is the same thing with the sum of the places of the
parts, and for that reason, it is internal, and in the whole body.
IV. Absolute motion is the translation of a body from one absolute
place into another; and relative motion, the translation from one
relative place into another. Thus in a ship under sail, the relative
place of a body is that part of the ship which the body possesses; or
that part of its cavity which the body fills, and which therefore
moves together with the ship: and relative rest is the continuance of
the body in the same part of the ship, or of its cavity. But real,
absolute rest, is the continuance of the body in the same part of that
immovable space, in which the ship itself, its cavity, and all that it
contains, is moved. Wherefore if the earth is really at rest, the
body, which relatively rests in the ship, will really and absolutely
move with the same velocity which the ship has on the earth. But if
the earth also moves, the true and absolute motion of the body will
arise, partly from the true motion of the earth, in immovable space;
partly from the relative motion of the ship on the earth; and if the
body moves also relatively in the ship; its true motion will arise,
partly from the true motion of the earth, in immovable space, and
partly from the relative motions as well of the ship on the earth, as
of the body in the ship; and from these relative motions will arise
the relative motion of the body on the earth. As if that part of the
earth, where the ship is, was truly moved toward the east, with a
velocity of 10010 parts; while the ship itself, with fresh gale, and
full sails, is carried towards the west, with a velocity expressed by
10 of those parts; but a sailor walks in the ship towards the east,
with 1 part of the said velocity; then the sailor will be moved truly
in immovable space towards the east, with a velocity of 10001 parts,
and relatively on the earth towards the west, with a velocity of 9 of
those parts.
Absolute time, in astronomy, is distinguished from relative, by the
equation or correlation of the vulgar time. For the natural days are
truly unequal, though they are commonly considered as equal and used
for a measure of time; astronomers correct this inequality for their
more accurate deducing of the celestial motions. It may be, that there
is no such thing as an equable motion, whereby time may be accurately
measured. All motions may be accelerated and retarded, but the true,
or equable, progress of absolute time is liable to no change. The
duration or perseverance of the existence of things remains the same,
whether the motions are swift or slow, or none at all: and therefore,
it ought to be distinguished from what are only sensible measures
thereof; and out of which we collect it, by means of the astronomical
equation. The necessity of which equation, for determining the times
of a phænomenon, is evinced as well from the experiments of the
pendulum clock, as by eclipses of the satellites of Jupiter.
As the order of the parts of time is immutable, so also is the order
of the parts of space. Suppose those parts to be moved out of their
places, and they will be moved (if the expression may be allowed) out
of themselves. For times and spaces are, as it were, the places as
well of themselves as of all other things. All things are placed in
time as to order of succession; and in space as to order of situation.
It is from their essence or nature that they are places; and that the
primary places of things should be moveable, is absurd. These are
therefore the absolute places; and translations out of those places,
are the only absolute motions.
But because the parts of space cannot be seen, or distinguished from
one another by our senses, therefore in their stead we use sensible
measures of them. For from the positions and distances of things from
any body considered as immovable, we define all places; and then with
respect to such places, we estimate all motions, considering bodies as
transferred from some of those places into others. And so, instead of
absolute places and motions, we use relative ones; and that without
any inconvenience in common affairs; but in philosophical
disquisitions, we ought to abstract from our senses, and consider
things themselves, distinct from what are only sensible measures of
them. For it may be that there is no body really at rest, to which the
places and motions of others may be referred.
But we my distinguish rest and motion, absolute and relative, one from
the other by their properties, causes and effects. It is a property of
rest, that bodies really at rest do rest in respect to one another.
And therefore as it is possible, that in the remote regions of the
fixed stars, or perhaps far beyond them, there may be some body
absolutely at rest; but impossible to know, from the position of
bodies to one another in our regions whether any of these do keep the
same position to that remote body; it follows that absolute rest
cannot be determined from the position of bodies in our regions.
It is a property of motion, that the parts, which retain given
positions to their wholes, do partake of the motions of those wholes.
For all the parts of revolving bodies endeavour to recede from the
axis of motion; and the impetus of bodies moving forward, arises from
the joint impetus of all the parts. Therefore, if surrounding bodies
are moved, those that are relatively at rest within them, will partake
of their motion. Upon which account, the true and absolute motion of a
body cannot be determined by the translation of it from those which
only seem to rest; for the external bodies ought not only to appear at
rest, but to be really at rest. For otherwise, all included bodies,
beside their translation from near the surrounding ones, partake
likewise of their true motions; and though that translation were not
made they would not be really at rest, but only seem to be so. For the
surrounding bodies stand in the like relation to the surrounded as the
exterior part of a whole does to the interior, or as the shell does to
the kernel; but, if the shell moves, the kernel will also move, as
being part of the whole, without any removal from near the shell.
A property, near akin to the preceding, is this, that if a place is
moved, whatever is placed therein moves along with it; and therefore a
body, which is moved from a place in motion, partakes also of the
motion of its place. Upon which account, all motions, from places in
motion, are no other than parts of entire and absolute motions; and
every entire motion is composed of the motion of the body out of its
first place, and the motion of this place out of its place; and so on,
until we come to some immovable place, as in the before-mentioned
example of the sailor. Wherefore, entire and absolute motions can be
no otherwise determined than by immovable places; and for that reason
I did before refer those absolute motions to immovable places, but
relative ones to movable places. Now no other places are immovable but
those that, from infinity to infinity, do all retain the same given
position to one another; and upon this account must ever remain
unmoved; and do thereby constitute immovable space.
The causes by which true, and relative motions are distinguished, one
from the other, are the forces impressed upon bodies to generate
motion. True motion is neither generated nor altered, but by some
force impressed upon the body moved; but relative motion may be
generated or altered without any force impressed upon the body. For it
is sufficient only to impress some force on other bodies with which
the former is compared, that by their giving way, that relation may be
changed, in which the relative rest or motion of this other body did
consist. Again, true motion suffers always some change from any force
impressed upon, the moving body; but relative motion does not
necessarily undergo any change by such forces. For if the same forces
are likewise impressed on those other bodies, with which the
comparison is made, that the relative position may be preserved, then
that condition will be preserved in which the relative motion
consists. And therefore any relative motion may be changed when the
true motion remains unaltered, and the relative may be preserved when
the true suffers some change. Upon which accounts, true motion does by
no means consist in such relations.
The effects which distinguish absolute from relative motion are, the
forces of receding from the axis of circular motion. For there are no
such forces in a circular motion purely relative, but in a true and
absolute circular motion, they are greater or less, according to the
quantity of the motion. If a vessel, hung by a long cord, is so often
turned about that the cord is strongly twisted, then filled with
water, and held at rest together with the water; after, by the sudden
action of another force, it is whirled about the contrary way, and
while the cord is untwisting itself, the vessel continues, for some
time in this motion; the surface of the water will at first be plain,
as before the vessel began to move: but the vessel, by gradually
communicating its motion to the water, will make it begin sensibly to
evolve, and recede by little and little from the middle, and ascend to
the sides of the vessel, forming itself into a concave figure (as I
have experienced), and the swifter the motion becomes, the higher will
the water rise, till at last, performing its revolutions in the same
times with the vessel, it becomes relatively at rest in it. This
ascent of the water shows its endeavour to recede from the axis of its
motion; and the true and absolute circular motion of the water, which
is here directly contrary to the relative, discovers itself, and may
be measured by this endeavour. At first, when the relative motion of
the water in the vessel was greatest, it produced no endeavour to
recede from the axis; the water showed no tendency to the
circumference, nor any ascent towards the sides of the vessel, but
remained of a plain surface, and therefore its true circular motion
had not yet begun. But afterwards, when the relative motion of the
water had decreased, the ascent thereof towards the sides of the
vessel proved its endeavour to recede from the axis; and this
endeavour showed the real circular motion of the water perpetually
increasing, till it had acquired its greatest quantity, when the water
rested relatively in the vessel. And therefore this endeavour, does
not depend upon any translation of the water in respect of the ambient
bodies, nor can true circular motion be defined by such translation.
There is only one real circular motion of any one revolving body,
corresponding to only one power of endeavouring to recede from its
axis of motion, as its proper and adequate effect; but relative
motions, in one and the same body, are innumerable, according to the
various relations it bears to external bodies, and like other
relations, are altogether destitute of any real effect, any otherwise
than they may partake of that one only true motion. And therefore in
their system who suppose that our heavens, revolving below the sphere
of the fixed stars, carry the planets along with them; the several
parts of those heavens and the planets, which are indeed relatively at
rest in their heavens, do yet really move. For they change their
position one to another (which never happens to bodies truly at rest),
and being carried together with their heavens, partake of their
motions, and as parts of revolving wholes, endeavour to recede from
the axis of their motions.
Wherefore relative quantities are not the quantities themselves, whose
names they bear, but those sensible measures of them (either accurate
or inaccurate), which are commonly used instead of the measured
quantities themselves. And if the meaning of words is to be determined
by their use, then by the names time, space, place and motion, their
measures are properly to be understood; and the expression will be
unusual, and purely mathematical, if the measured quantities
themselves are meant. Upon which account, they do strain the sacred
writings, who there interpret those words for the measured quantities.
Nor do those less defile the purity of mathematical and philosophical
truths, who confound real quantities themselves with their relations
and vulgar measures.
It is indeed a matter of great difficulty to discover, and effectually
to distinguish, the true motion of particular bodies from the
apparent; because the parts of that immovable space, in which those
motions are performed, do by no means come under the observation of
our senses. Yet the thing is not altogether desperate; for we have
some arguments to guide us, partly from the apparent motions, which
are the differences of the true motions; partly from the forces, which
are the causes and effects of the true motion. For instance, if two
globes, kept at a given distance one from the other by means of a cord
that connects them, were revolved about their common centre of
gravity, we might, from the tension of the cord, discover the
endeavour of the globes to recede from the axis of their motion, and
from thence we might compute the quantity of their circular motions.
And then if any equal forces should be impressed at once on the
alternate faces of the globes to augment or diminish their circular
motions, from the increase or decrease of the tension of the cord, we
might infer the increment or decrement of their motions; and thence
would be found on what faces those forces ought to be impressed, that
the motions of the globes might be most augmented; that is, we might
discover their hindermost faces, or those which, in the circular
motion, do follow. But the faces which follow being known and
consequently the opposite ones that precede, we should likewise know
the determination of their motions. And thus we might find both the
quantity and the determination of this circular motion, even in an
immense vacuum, where there was nothing external or sensible with
which the globes could be compared. But now, if in that space some
remote bodies were placed the kept always a given position one to
another, as the fixed stars do in our regions, we could not indeed
determine from the relative translation of the globes among those
bodies, whether the motion did belong to the globes or to the bodies.
But if we observed the cord, and found that its tension was that very
tension which the motions f the globes required, we might conclude the
motion to be in the globes, and the bodies to be at rest; and then,
lastly, from the translation of the globes among the bodies, we should
find the determination of their motions. But how we are to collect the
true motions from their causes, effects, and apparent differences;
and, vice versa, how from the motions, either true or apparent, we may
come to the knowledge of their causes and effects, shall be explained
more at large in the following tract. For to this end it was that I
composed it.
Isaac Newton's Principia 1687, Translated by Andrew Motte 1729
Home, Preface, Axioms, or Laws of Motion
Autymn D. C.
> Being the usual lazy bastard but actual physicist that I am, I'd
What do you work?
> Known Crackpots and Flake Posters to sci.physics
> ___________________________________________
> Douglas Eagleson
> Laurent
> NoEinstein
> Agent Smith
> pekka.virta
> sir.jean-paul.turc
> OsherD
> Astro Jetson
> malibu
> BURT
> Sanny
> Androcles
> Pentcho Valev
> Mret
> Nomen Nescio
>
> Readers, this is only my conclusion after reading their nonsense
> posts. It it really hard for me to decide if they actually belive what
> they post, or if they are simply playing a joke. I find it interesting
> that not one of these posters dare to attach his/her real name to
> their posts. Tells a story in itself.
So OsherD, Douglas Eagleson, and Pentcho Valev aren't their real
names? And what is wrong with OsherD's posts, if not irrelevant?
> I invite any physics student or physicist to add to this list. I did
> my 15 minites of work on this, because quite frankly, the clueless
minuts
> anti-Einstein folks simply piss me off. After all, how stupid can
> anyone be?
Henri Wilson, hanson, Archimedes Plutonium, Eric Gisse, Y. Porat, Jeff
Reif, Traveler, George Hammond, newedana, J. C. Yoon, Ken Seto, tj
Frazir, Brad Guth, Daniel Joseph Min
Autymn D. C.
> Yeah, common law states, common speak as admisable. And intention to
> decieve as felony. So play common deceiver. Your a felon now. Wire
> fraud, I will extend the law. And you will be the test case.
no mutual contracts
Autymn D. C.
> And anyway, I DEMAND inclusion into the list based upon the evidence
> of "redshift" and the "big bang" and calculate the true diameter of
> the entire universe!
Put your unbunking here. Did you read my post about my
reinterpretation of the Hubble constant in the thread an dark energy?
Autymn D. C.
> A Mathematical Proof of God
>
> Given 0 = the absence of God
>
> Given 1 = the presence of God
>
> Let 1 = 1 and 0 = 0 be identities
>
> true coordinates in free space.
>
> Multiplying both sides
>
> 1 X 1 = 1 X 1 and 0 X 0 = 0 X 0
>
> Both true statements that retain the above identities,
>
> 1 = 1 and 0 = 0
>
> Conversely, dividing both sides
>
> 1/1 = 1/1 and 0/0 = 0/0
>
> Creates
>
> 1 = 1 or 1 = 1
>
> However,
>
> 0 = 0 becomes 1=1.?
No, take a calculus course. 0/0 = 0/0 -> z = z, where z is
indeterminate and in all numera.
> The result
>
> 0 = 1 derives something from nothing.
not a result
> By definition above, 1 = the presence God and 0 = the absence of God, yet we
> have shown that 0 = 1 which tacitly implies there is a God qed!
does not
> If the classical definition of division is used, {if a x b = c then c ¸
> b = a (b ¹ 0)} the existence of God remains undefined. If 1/0 = ¥ by
dedefined?
> definition on the Riemann Sphere is used, then God is infinite i.e. ³ 1
Autymn D. C.
> The definition of "bigot" is:
no còlòn!
> "A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions
> differing from his own."
who !<-> his