Science and Faith
Anonymous Sender
things fall to the earth: Because God wants them to. But
many scientists suppress a chuckle when they hear this
explanation. They believe gravity is the result of simple,
mechanistic laws, such as Newton's inverse-square force law,
or the subtler but supposedly deeper laws of general
relativity. We examine whether belief in these laws is
compatible with a faith in Jesus Christ.
The fact that gravity is the direct result of the will of
God can be seen by asking whether it would be possible for
things to fall up if God willed it. The answer is obviously
yes, and if God did such a thing, we would obviously
attribute it to His will and not to a mechanistic law. So
when God makes things fall down, can we believe it is not
God but a mechanistic law at work? Clearly the answer is
no.
Some people might argue that God has chosen that the world
will follow these laws. However, this attempt at compromise
between faith and science is dangerous. The Bible says that
a double-minded man is "unstable in all his ways"
(James 1:8). No one can serve two masters (Luke 16:13),
so people who believe in science in addition to the Bible
will lose faith in Christ and go to hell. Furthermore,
we know that God has worked miracles inconsistent with the
law of gravity (2 Kings 6:1-7). This means that if the
laws of physics exist, God makes exceptions from time to
time. This is both inconsistent with the supposed universal
character of physical law and with the eternal, unchanging
will characteristic of God.
God bless you and save you all from the evils of physics.
-- Nth Complexity --
-- Have A Nice Day! --
"However, these criteria, admirable as they are, are insufficient
for a *liberatory* postmodern science: they liberate human beings
from the tyranny of 'absolute truth' and 'objective reality', but
not necessarily from the tyranny of other human beings. In Andrew
Ross' words, we need a science 'that will be publicly answerable
and of some service to progressive interests.'" -- A.D.S.
Borked Pseudo Mailed
Androcles
"Anonymous Sender" <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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: For millenia, Christians have known the ultimate reason why
: things fall to the earth: Because God wants them to.
Fuck off.
Pmb
"Anonymous Sender" <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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> things fall to the earth: Because God wants them to.
Who's claiming differently? Science does not ask "Why?" questions. Only
religion does.
> But many scientists suppress a chuckle when they hear this
> explanation.
Ignorant/atheist ones, sure. Not all of us.
> They believe gravity is the result of simple,
> mechanistic laws, such as Newton's inverse-square force law,
> or the subtler but supposedly deeper laws of general
> relativity.
That is merely a *description* of gravity. *Not* an explaination.
> We examine whether belief in these laws is compatible with a faith in
> Jesus Christ.
Who is included in "We"? In any case that has been going on for a very long
time. Many physicists have written books on the topic "Science and Religion"
and then there are books written by physicists which are closer to home such
as "In the Beginning ... Biblical Creation and Science," by Nathan Aviezer.
See
http://www.ph.biu.ac.il/fpages/Aviezer_Nathan.html
Its a wonderful book. So isn't his second one "Fossil's and Faith:
Understanding the Torah and Science"
> The fact that gravity is the direct result of the will of
> God can be seen by asking whether it would be possible for
> things to fall up if God willed it.
Do you think that you're actually saying something that is new? Every
religions person believes that what God wants God gets - Period. So why
bother us with his handy work of nature? We already know these things. Or at
least some of us do and you won't change the minds of others.
[snip]
> However, this attempt at compromise between faith and science is
> dangerous.
The only compromise rests soley in the mind of the ignorant.
> The Bible says that
> a double-minded man is "unstable in all his ways"
> (James 1:8). No one can serve two masters (Luke 16:13),
> so people who believe in science in addition to the Bible
> will lose faith in Christ and go to hell.
That is absolute and total nonsense. Do you even understand what science is?
Don't you know that about 62% of all scientists are religious? Why are you
attacking something you clearly don't understand in a place that clearly is
not the place for such a thing?
> Furthermore, we know that God has worked miracles inconsistent with the
> law of gravity (2 Kings 6:1-7).
A law isn't broken when God performs a miracle. We just observer extremely
rare instances when the law is inadequate and really needs to be changed.
But since these are rare instances and not reproducible the laws don't get
changed. It is always understood that Law A always holds unless God decides
otherwise.
> God bless you and save you all from the evils of physics.
May Jesus forgive you for your distasteful act of judging others. You're a
Christian so why don't you understand that it is against God's will for you
to not judge others? Or doesn't the will of God apply to you??
Now please take your nonsense off this newsgroup and stop acting like
Christians like myself can't also be a physicist. A field of study can't be
evil. Only the lack of good is evil and the knowledge of nature, that is of
God, can never be evil and thus physics can't possibly be evil.
You disgust me
uri
Pmb
"uri" <dan...@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
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> Is intelligent design science?
I don't believe so but it's a very interesting question. What do you know
about Intelligent Design? From my meager understanding of it mostly has to
do with probabilities and probabilities can be very tricky when used by
amateurs. By this I mean that if you're not well educated in probability and
statistics then arguements which use them may be totally flawed and you
won't realize it.
There is a book by Nathan Aviezer (a very smart Jewish physicist) called
"Fossils & Faith: Understanding Torah and Science". Starting on page 57
Aviezer starts a section called "Arguements from Design." He writes a
refutation of such arguements. If your local library has it or can get it
for you then I highly recommend reading it as well as his first book "In the
Beginning ... Biblical Creation and Science." Both books are a joy to read
for someone like me, i.e. a religious person and physicist. But of course
that is my humble personal opinion.
Best regards
Pete
hanson
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"Nth Complexity" aka"Anonymous Sender" <anon...@remailer.metacolo.com>
>
[Androcles]
Fuck off.
>
[hanson]
ahahahaha... you are right, but he ain't gonna fuck off because
his "God wants him to stay" and spread his message... ahaha...
He is not any different then Einstein's Dingleberries who too do
stay because they believe that their God Alert tells'em to do so....
.. ahaha...
>
Poster "Nth Complexity" must be related to Xianess Ann Coulter
who said a few days back that "Judaism should be discarded, that
Jews required Christianity to be "perfected," and that Christianity
had a 'fast track' to God. "... ahahaha....
58,700 Google hits for --[ Ann Coulter perfected Jews ]--
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/12/national/main3361954.shtml
http://www.opiniojuris.org/posts/1192074636.shtml
>
Jehovah and Albert are sitting on their respective thrones and
fuck with their believers forcing them to spread their lies... ahaha...
Ah.. Science and Faith,... Physics and Religion... No difference...
>
Don't get mad at the dumb believers. Make money off'em, instead.
Like AC above.. She made millions... just like Albert, by talking shit.
Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson
PS: Soon a Dingleberry will appear, snuggle up closer to Einstein's
sphincter, and say with indignation: "He never made any millions"
ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
Androcles
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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: "Androcles" <Engi...@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
And again I say unto you: It is easier for a needle to go through the
arse of a camel than for a poor wetback to enter into Princeton.
Matthew/19-24
mg
> "Anonymous Sender" <anonym...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > For millenia, Christians have known the ultimate reason why
> > things fall to the earth: Because God wants them to.
>
> Who's claiming differently?
-> Science does not ask "Why?" questions.
Site!?
> Only religion does.
>
> > But many scientists suppress a chuckle when they hear this
> > explanation.
>
> Ignorant/atheist ones, sure. Not all of us.
>
> > They believe gravity is the result of simple,
> > mechanistic laws, such as Newton's inverse-square force law,
> > or the subtler but supposedly deeper laws of general
> > relativity.
>
> That is merely a *description* of gravity. *Not* an explaination.
>
> > We examine whether belief in these laws is compatible with a faith in
> > Jesus Christ.
>
> Who is included in "We"? In any case that has been going on for a very long
> time. Many physicists have written books on the topic "Science and Religion"
> and then there are books written by physicists which are closer to home such
> as "In the Beginning ... Biblical Creation and Science," by Nathan Aviezer.
> Seehttp://www.ph.biu.ac.il/fpages/Aviezer_Nathan.html
Gerald Bostock
> On Oct 11, 2:41 pm, "Pmb" <some...@somewhere.net> wrote:
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> > "Anonymous Sender" <anonym...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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> >news:a683e6ef8b4bd7c4...@remailer.metacolo.com...
>
> > > For millenia, Christians have known the ultimate reason why
> > > things fall to the earth: Because God wants them to.
>
> > Who's claiming differently?
>
> -> Science does not ask "Why?" questions.
>
> Site!?
You mean cite?
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> Poster "Nth Complexity" must be related to Xianess Ann Coulter
> who said a few days back that "Judaism should be discarded, that
> Jews required Christianity to be "perfected," and that Christianity
> had a 'fast track' to God. "... ahahaha....
Quite true, but not my God
--
Dirk
http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London
mg
> On Oct 14, 1:14 am, mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Oct 11, 2:41 pm, "Pmb" <some...@somewhere.net> wrote:
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> > > "Anonymous Sender" <anonym...@remailer.metacolo.com> wrote in message
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> > >news:a683e6ef8b4bd7c4...@remailer.metacolo.com...
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> > > > For millenia, Christians have known the ultimate reason why
> > > > things fall to the earth: Because God wants them to.
>
> > > Who's claiming differently?
>
> > -> Science does not ask "Why?" questions.
>
> > Site!?
>
> You mean cite?
Yup. You're correct. I should have said "cite". If you stretch
definitions a little bit, though, and want to be generous, maybe
"site?" could be taken to mean "website?". :-)
gbos...@excite.com
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RetroProphet
>> Furthermore, we know that God has worked miracles inconsistent with the
>> law of gravity (2 Kings 6:1-7).
>
>A law isn't broken when God performs a miracle. We just observer extremely
>rare instances when the law is inadequate and really needs to be changed.
>But since these are rare instances and not reproducible the laws don't get
>changed. It is always understood that Law A always holds unless God decides
>otherwise.
You would need to have objective evidence of a miracle event
in order for what you have written here to be anything more
than ungrounded speculation pretending to be more.
Pmb
"RetroProphet" <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>> Furthermore, we know that God has worked miracles inconsistent with the
>>> law of gravity (2 Kings 6:1-7).
It makes no difference what the laws of nature are since they are created by
man and are thus flawed. Any scientist can tell you that the history of
science shows many instances of this. It is therefore meaningless to say
that we witness something which is against the laws of nature. All we can do
is to note an example of when it didn't work. In this case you don't know
that 2 Kings 6:1-7 is inconsistent with the law of gravity. Perhaps God made
the axe less dense than the water and that's why it floated.You just jumped
to a conclusion that a decent scientist would never do.
[snipped stuff]
Pete