Franz Heymann
Mike Lyle
<Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
--
Mike.
PD
I, for one (probably of many), will miss him. I'm glad that he enjoyed
what he was doing up until the time of his departure. I hope that his
maker had one more big surprise in store for him.
PD
Greysky
"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
with me.... guess he didn't listen.
Greysky
Dirk Van de moortel
"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
I missed Franz since quite a while and suspected something was
definitely not okay. I always really enjoyed chatting with him.
Mike, thanks for letting us know.
Farewell, Franz...
Dirk Vdm
Dirk Van de moortel
"PD" <pdr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1116594630.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
That is a very nice thought, Paul :-)
Cheers,
Dirk Vdm
Bjoern Feuerbacher
Really sad news. :-(
Although I did not always agree with his opinions and his posting
style, I enjoyed the discussions with him very much. I will miss him.
Bye,
Bjoern
Sam Wormley
Thanks for your contributions Franz...
http://users/pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Gems/EigenPockets.html
Uncle Al
A great loss and a sad passing.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
Traveler
"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I disagreed with Heymann on several fundamental principles (speed of
gravity, of the electric field, motion in spacetime, etc...). Still I
have to admire him for sticking to what he believed in. My condolences
to his family, friends and relatives.
-------------------------------
For the sake of progress in physics though, it is a good thing for all
the old physicists to pass away as soon as possible. Failing that,
they should retire and stop bothering people with their obsolete and
mostly false assumptions. Physics cannot get a move on unless the old
farts get out of the way and leave the field to younger and better
thinkers. Kuhn was so right!
Louis Savain
The Silver Bullet: Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix it
http://users.adelphia.net/~lilavois/Cosas/Reliability.htm
Robert Kolker
Bummer. Do you know how old he was, when he passed.
Bob Kolker
Robert Kolker
Oops. cancel the question.
43 is no age to die, except by accident. I am really sorry to hear this.
There is a lesson here. Live each day as your Last Day and have your
baggage packed for a Long Trip.
Bob Kolker
Dirk Van de moortel
"Sam Wormley" <swor...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:SBnje.9402$z_.7560@attbi_s71...
>
> Thanks for your contributions Franz...
> http://users/pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Gems/EigenPockets.html
Replace slash with dot:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Gems/EigenPockets.html
Dirk Vdm
OsherD
Bob Kolker wrote:
>There is a lesson here. Live each day as >your Last Day and have your
>baggage packed for a Long Trip.
Amen. And don't send people on the Long Trip whether young,
middle-aged, or old, especially those who're Victims. Oops!
Osher Doctorow
Mark Fergerson
Aw damn. So long Franz; hope to continue our discussions when
it's my turn.
Mark L. Fergerson
Randy Poe
Robert Kolker wrote:
> Robert Kolker wrote:
> > Mike Lyle wrote:
> >
> >> I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from
uk.rec.gardening.
> >>
> >> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his
posts.
> >>
> >> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent
home 4
> >> days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
> >
> >
> > Bummer. Do you know how old he was, when he passed.
>
> Oops. cancel the question.
>
> 43 is no age to die, except by accident. I am really sorry to hear
this.
Where did you get this age information? That doesn't
sound right. I had the impression he was long past
retirement age, was in fact retired.
> There is a lesson here. Live each day as your Last Day and have your
> baggage packed for a Long Trip.
A colleague here suffered a stroke on travel (recovering
now, thank God). It has made me think about the contents
of my desk and files at work and the mess they'd present
to the unfortunate who had to decide whether anything
was worth retaining (probably not).
Goodbye, Franz. I will miss you.
- Randy
Maleki
Just in case this is true, I read some of his stuff on
google. This is what he wrote a couple of days before
getting sick:
I drink one unit at lunch, one unit at my evening
meal and one unit when I sit and play with this
ng. The units may vary between wine, gin and
single malt whisky, with the latter
preponderating statistically.
When we eat out in a pub, I vary the routine
slightly by having half a pint of real ale and a
tot of blended whisky with my meal. I make a
suitable adjustment for this change during the
rest of the day. How much do you drink daily?
Does it vary much from day to day? Are you as
honest in what you report about your drinking
habits as I am?
I think he should've stopped alcohol and usenet, and
walked a few miles each day instead.
Maleki
Same day:
I have not been drunk since around 1944. I drink
little wine, and my daily intake of all forms of
alcohol is an absolutely steady 3 legal units of
alcohol per day. Never any less, never any
more.because I have to keep a strict balance
between the amount of alcohol and the amount of
rat poison I take daily, or else my blood
clotting time goes for a burton.
So there it goes. He didn't take enough rat poison that
day.
Sam Wormley
Thanks Dirk
FrediFizzx
news:1116609608....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|
| Robert Kolker wrote:
| > Robert Kolker wrote:
| > > Mike Lyle wrote:
| > >
| > >> I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from
| uk.rec.gardening.
| > >>
| > >> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his
| posts.
| > >>
| > >> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent
| home 4
| > >> days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
| > >
| > >
| > > Bummer. Do you know how old he was, when he passed.
| >
| > Oops. cancel the question.
| >
| > 43 is no age to die, except by accident. I am really sorry to hear
| this.
|
| Where did you get this age information? That doesn't
| sound right. I had the impression he was long past
| retirement age, was in fact retired.
Ahh sheesh... Franz was in his 80's. RIP Franz. We will miss you.
FrediFizzx
Ken Muldrew
>43 is no age to die, except by accident. I am really sorry to hear this.
Quite so but Franz was 81. I'm sorry to hear of his passing as well
but at least he didn't go at 43.
Ken Muldrew
kmul...@ucalgazry.ca
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Traveler
<male...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I think he should've stopped alcohol and usenet, and
>walked a few miles each day instead.
Alcohol did not kill Heymann, IMO. Old age did. Besides, when you get
a certain age, you should certainly have a drinking or a pot habit or
something. It makes living all the more tolerable.
Don't push your religious beliefs against the welfare and liberty of
others.
If Heymann had a drink or two everyday before he died, I say good for
him and the hell with the morality preachers. And I sure hope he was
into good beer, good wine and good food. ....Hahahaha.... Heck, if he
was, I'd be happy for the old guy and I'd take back all the bad things
I said to him over the years.
Just for that, I'll reproduce a little Egyptian prayer from Poul
Anderson's "The boat of a Million Years" in Heymann's memory:
May he go forth on the sunrise boat;
May he come to port on the sunset boat;
May he go among the imperishable stars;
May he journey on the boat of a million years.
From the Book of 'Going Forth by Daylight'
Robert Kolker
>
> I think he should've stopped alcohol and usenet, and
> walked a few miles each day instead.
Jim Fixx, the inventor of the term aerobic-excercise died after a ten
mile run at the age of 52. He was in top physical condition. It could be
that his exercise regimine lengthened his lifespan over what it would
have been otherwise, or it might have shortened it. One cannot really
know for sure.
I am a great believer in walking a few miles a day if for no other
reason than it relieves the tensions and leads to a clarity of thought.
But that is no guarantee of long life
We get what we get and not a second more.
Bob Kolker
Robert Kolker
>
> Ahh sheesh... Franz was in his 80's. RIP Franz. We will miss you.
You are right. I was misled by a prior posting which gave his years as
62 to 05. My error. Mea culpa. If he was in his eighties, then he had a
good run. We should all be as lucky.
Bob Kolker
Robert Kolker
> Robert Kolker <now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>43 is no age to die, except by accident. I am really sorry to hear this.
>
>
> Quite so but Franz was 81. I'm sorry to hear of his passing as well
> but at least he didn't go at 43.
I was misled by a another posting which gave his years as 62 to 05. The
error is entirely mine.
Bob Kolker
Gregory L. Hansen
Hard to believe. Franz was one of those guys who was always around, maybe
not always on sci.physics, but you always knew he might pop in for a
while. My sympathies to his family.
--
"What are the possibilities of small but movable machines? They may or
may not be useful, but they surely would be fun to make."
-- Richard P. Feynman, 1959
Maleki
Nice poem.
When I suspected alcohol I was under the impression he
was in his 40's. Turns out he was a professor emeritus
somewhere in Britain. Particle physics background
(experimental).
No I'm not religious.
But hey, I'm not still sure he's dead :)
Maleki
wrote:
Another factor for a long life, in my experience
(having observed in several decades) is to have
individuals in contact with, whom they still know
and/or recognize us! ... The ones around rapidly die
off or disperse and become impossible to find. Having
children helps but same happens to them also, and one
is left alone with a big past. In such days walking is
not enough. One will need a companion, or a few of
them, to go back to or to go to and come back.
Maleki
wrote:
> I was misled by a another posting which gave his years as 62 to 05. The
> error is entirely mine.
Must've been "26" then.
Steven Gray
@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> I, for one (probably of many), will miss him. I'm glad that he enjoyed
> what he was doing up until the time of his departure. I hope that his
> maker had one more big surprise in store for him.
Well said.
--
Steve Gray
sgr...@cfl.rr.com
mme...@cars3.uchicago.edu
>I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from uk.rec.gardening.
>
><Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
>
>Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
>days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
>
what he enjoyed doing. Can't wish for much more than this.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
me...@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
Bill Hobba
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:tDlje.5784$NQ6....@news.cpqcorp.net...
>
> "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from uk.rec.gardening.
> >
> > <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
> >
> > Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
> > days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
>
> definitely not okay. I always really enjoyed chatting with him.
> Mike, thanks for letting us know.
>
> Farewell, Franz...
I second that. Very sad news. I also greatly enjoyed Franz's posts and
will miss him as well.
With Sadness
Bill
>
> Dirk Vdm
>
>
Potte
In early April. I had a feeling something was not right in sci.physics.
I noticed Heymann was missing. It was the time when crankpots
surfaced all at once.
I wished day by day he would return. He has the sharpness and wit
backed
up by experimental experiences that Uncle Al and Bjoern can only
dream about. He can produce a photon in his double slit setup at
home that can nail RP deep. He is master in QCD and can debunk
any crank who offers an alternative theory.
Heymann is like Lorentz, very sharp even beyond the 80s. Many
folks can no longer think much even at age 75. He is lucky though
to have live so long. I wonder how many of us below 40 can live that
long with cancer rate increasing at an exponential rate.
Heymann is a hero. Wherever he is now.. likely in an M-brane
parallel universe where soul are translated after passing of the
physical body. Let's send him good thoughts.
Usually, after dead, a person is like being in a dream that one can't
wake up.. this is because the frontal cortex is gone... however...
if the person is sufficiently advanced. He could automatically
create a replica of the front cortex in quantum vaccuum substance.
This means after dead one can still be fully conscious (as done
by masters in esoteric circle down the centuries). I wished
Heymann has this privilege so he could continue his investigation
of physics in the m-brane parallel worlds where his expertise can gain
him a lot of truth.
Someday. When humanity is sufficiently advanced and can cross
between worlds (when the TOE arrives which includes this
aspect that present physicists ignored out of blindness). We'd build a
container to hold souls that have lost the physical body and hence
contact with the physical world can occur again.
We'd be seeing you again Heymann. We wish you much comfortability
in the unfamiliar territory where many guides can hopefully assist you.
Potte
Raymond Yohros
me too. he was a great teacher
he will always be remember.
Robert Kolker
>
> Usually, after dead, a person is like being in a dream that one can't
> wake up.. this is because the frontal cortex is gone... however...
> if the person is sufficiently advanced. He could automatically
> create a replica of the front cortex in quantum vaccuum substance.
> This means after dead one can still be fully conscious (as done
> by masters in esoteric circle down the centuries). I wished
> Heymann has this privilege so he could continue his investigation
> of physics in the m-brane parallel worlds where his expertise can gain
> him a lot of truth.
I miss Franz too. But for crying out loud. His dead, Jim er... Potte.
Reconcile yourself to one time around. Better make the best of it, for
it is all you have.
Bob Kolker
Timo Nieminen
> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
>
> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
> days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy
friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am
involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell
tolls; it tolls for thee.
- John Donne, Meditation XVII
--
Timo
Edward Green
> On Fri, 20 May 2005, Mike Lyle wrote:
>
> > <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his
posts.
> >
> > Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent
home 4
> > days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
That's not a bad end, but I am deeply grieved by the death of a man I
never saw nor heard, and knew only through text.
I'd say I'm sorry for any friction which passed between us, but if
Franz were around, he'd probably reply that I should buggerall.
Edward Green
His wits seemed remarkably keen -- would that I am so clear headed if I
reach 81 : sober or not.
Minor Crank
> I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from
uk.rec.gardening.
>
> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
>
> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home
> 4 days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
To everything there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
A time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted.
-Ecclesiastes
Those of us who knew Franz only through his newsgroup
postings missed knowing a very wise, multi-faceted man.
I suspected something was wrong when he didn't answer
my last email, but only found out the truth yesterday.
The world is a poorer place from Franz's passing.
I'll miss him.
Minor Crank
hanson
news:QpidnaxR8Zk...@comcast.com...
> I am a great believer in walking a few miles a day if for no
> other reason than it relieves the tensions and leads to a
>
[hanson]
...... ahahaha... Yo, Bob!... obviously, YOU don't walk enough...
or it doesn't work for you for some reason... ahahahaha
ahahaha.. ahahanson
PS:
Franz, Ol'boy, RIP. You were always a great, cantankerous fart.
Even during the occasional hikes we made up in the Val-de-Travers
during your stint as group leader at CERN. I loved it. Fare well.
hanson
Traveler
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:
Hanson, I had no idea you were pissing with the big dogs at CERN. Wow!
And hiking around with Heymann no less. Well, I hope you two shared a
few good beers.
hhc...@yahoo.com
posts here on sci.physics will seriously diminish the value of reading
this newsgroup.
Harry C.
Eric Gisse
Mike Lyle wrote:
> I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from
uk.rec.gardening.
>
> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
>
> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home
4
> days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
>
> Mike.
Thanks for letting us know.
Rest in peace, Franz.
Randy M. Dumse
wrote in message news:tDlje.5784$NQ6....@news.cpqcorp.net...
Wow, a poignant reminder of our own mortalities.
It was the passing of Chandrasekhar in '95 that made me aware if I was
to do something in physics, I couldn't wait forever, and I started my
studies of GR. Since participating occasionally in this newsgroup, I've
heard reports a couple people on the group passing, Franz being the
latest. What a pity. I would have loved to chat with Franz, more, but it
is not to be.
What an indictment of the foolish wasting of time done here. Wouldn't it
be wonderful if those who understand SR and GR could work on improving
and expanding it, rather the be awash with foolish and insincere
posters, unwilling to learn, not accidentally wrong, but entrenched in
ignorance.
I wish there were a better place to discuss physics, and in particular
GR. Unfortunately, I know of no better public forum, and this also
saddens me.
But to each serious, thoughtful and helpful correspondent, I want to
take this opportunity to say, Thank You, before yet another opportunity
is lost forever.
--
Randy M. Dumse
Caution: Objects in mirror are more confused than they appear.
Sam Wormley
You can always contribute (raising the standard) by sharing an insight or
posing a serious learner's question about GR... if just a few would get
a good conversation going, there would be many that could benefit.
Maleki
> His wits seemed remarkably keen -- would that I am so clear headed if I
> reach 81 : sober or not.
How do you know he is dead. Don't believe anything said
in this forum :)
Sam Wormley
>
>
> How do you know he is dead. Don't believe anything said
> in this forum :)
Didn't you say the same thing when I reported that Alexander Abian
had died a few years ago?
Maleki
Well, is he dead?
Angelo
I returned here yesterday night from a place where
I couldn't have access to the Internet, so I come late.
> I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from
uk.rec.gardening.
>
> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
I did not know Franz, tough even if I had only a few exchanges
here with him, I always appreciated his contributions, from which
I was able to catch the value of the man and of the scientist.
> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home
4
> days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
So, I would join the feelings of the great majoriy of posters
here declared, no need to repeat.
> --
> Mike.
Sorrow in one hand, and deep appreciation in the other,
Angelo
Ken S. Tucker
With few exceptions, Randy being one, it's extremely
tiresome to discuss GR, because of lack of commonality.
99% of people arguing about GR do so because they
can't do tensor analysis correctly, rather like doing
accounting with someone who can't add.
In particular, understanding the ragged edges where
the clarity of tensor analysis on a continuum needs
to be considered, when only finite distances between
points are allowed, as in the evolving quantization
of GR tensors, needs common refs available.
Incidentally, Franz, like many, doesn't like GR refs,
inspite of arguing that subject, so if perchance he's
unwilling to study the subject further, that is his loss.
I think, a person - at a very young age - makes peace
with nature, or struggles against it.
> But to each serious, thoughtful and helpful correspondent, I want to
> take this opportunity to say, Thank You, before yet another
opportunity
> is lost forever.
> Randy M. Dumse
That's for sure. We inherit life, let's make thats the
best, to honor those who bequeathed it.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
Ken S. Tucker
Addendum...
"Bogie himself said that dead is dead and life is for the living and
you've got to move on - and if you don't, it's self-indulgent and does
the dead no good. He said it dishonoured them because if they gave you
so little care for your own life, then they didn't leave you with very
much." - Lauren Bacall.
PD
Ken S. Tucker wrote:
[snip]
>
> Addendum...
> "Bogie himself said that dead is dead and life is for the living and
> you've got to move on - and if you don't, it's self-indulgent and
does
> the dead no good. He said it dishonoured them because if they gave
you
> so little care for your own life, then they didn't leave you with
very
> much." - Lauren Bacall.
That's interesting. There is another fella that had similar sentiments
and said "Let the dead bury the dead."
PD
bryan...@yahoo.com
messaging style of writing and said I was being immature, LOL, but I
loved his kicking the asses of various cranks on this NG. Bye Franz, I
bid you godspeed. If there was such a "maker" somewhere and there is
an afterlife, then I hope you are treated well..... JJ
Koobee Wublee
Heymann's passing occur at the same time, or is it? Although Mr. Heymann's
comments towards my posts were somewhat trollish in intent, I can sense his
pain of realizing the truth. The lesson for all of us is that we have to
condition ourselves for the shock of that what we have been taught in
school, or more like to have shoved down our throats, are not necessarily
truthful in nature. The truth is out there to be uncovered among layers of
deceits where each deceit lies a motive, and Mr. Heymann will be remembered.
Bruce Scott TOK
|> "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
|> > I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from uk.rec.gardening.
|> >
|> > <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
|> >
|> > Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
|> > days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
|>
|> I missed Franz since quite a while and suspected something was
|> definitely not okay. I always really enjoyed chatting with him.
|> Mike, thanks for letting us know.
|>
|> Farewell, Franz...
He was a good guy.
RIP Franz...
--
cu,
Bruce
drift wave turbulence: http://www.rzg.mpg.de/~bds/
Neil G
Robert Kolker
> death sucks
Maybe so. But consider the alternative. Do want to live forever and go
crazy from boredom?
Bob Kolker
>
La velocidad de la Luz
>crazy from boredom?
>Bob Kolker
what boredom? actually there is no death
try it, make a regression in your life, lets se how far you can go back
Robert Kolker
>
>
> what boredom? actually there is no death
> try it, make a regression in your life, lets se how far you can go back
>
The days of man shall be three score and ten or by reason of strength
four score. There is no forever. Spend your time wisely, it is your only
wealth.
Bob Kolker
Daryl McCullough
>
>Neil G wrote:
>
>> death sucks
>
>Maybe so. But consider the alternative. Do want to live forever and go
>crazy from boredom?
Well, forever is a long time. But there are a number of projects that would keep
me occupied for a few millenia.
--
Daryl McCullough
Ithaca, NY
Daryl McCullough
>"Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from uk.rec.gardening.
>>
>> <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
>>
>> Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
>> days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
>
>I missed Franz since quite a while and suspected something was
>definitely not okay. I always really enjoyed chatting with him.
>Mike, thanks for letting us know.
>
>Farewell, Franz...
I also would like to express my sadness on the loss of Franz to this community.
He will be missed.
Robert Kolker
>
> Well, forever is a long time. But there are a number of projects that would keep
> me occupied for a few millenia.
And then? In addition to which we all have a finite storage capacity. So
which of our dearest memories shall we sacrifice to make room for more?
For humans there is a limit past which only loss and pain can ensue.
While we probably die sooner than we would like, living forever is not
the answer.
Bob Kolker
Robert Kolker
>
> I also would like to express my sadness on the loss of Franz to this community.
> He will be missed.
An intelligent man has departed from our midst. It seems the good ones
go faster than they arrive -- maybe. Don't mind me, I am showing my age.
I am ten years younger than Franz. He had a good run and I hope I have
as good a run as he.
Bob Kolker
Bilge
>
>
>>
>> Well, forever is a long time. But there are a number of projects
>>that would keep me occupied for a few millenia.
>
>And then? In addition to which we all have a finite storage capacity.
>So which of our dearest memories shall we sacrifice to make room for more?
I'd be willing to forget how to plunge cut a stainless steel disk or
grind the plunging tool, for example.
> For humans there is a limit past which only loss and pain can ensue.
I'm willing to risk it.
>While we probably die sooner than we would like, living forever is not
>the answer.
There's a lot of time between 80 years and forever.
Robert Kolker
>
> There's a lot of time between 80 years and forever.
The key is that the bearable time alive varies from person to person.
The ideal situation is for a person to be alive (and healthy!) until he
has had enough. At which time, he ends his life. This is the best
individual solution.
The social effects of long life can be disasterous. If the fertile life
times of humans are extended along with their effective life times, the
planet will be 1000 deep in humans over every square inch, before too
long. So strict birth control would have to be inforced (otherwise we
are in the problem of the overloaded life-boat). That is not a nice
prospect and many would consider such regulation as intrusive and
tyrranical.
So sociall, the ideal would be to live as long as one likes, but with a
very short period of fertility, so that the social effects are mitigated.
If I had to pick a number from a hat I would say a lifetime of 200-500
years with a ten year fertile period per woman. That is pure guess. A
statistic analysis would be needed to produce a more exact figure. In
any case, a finite life time implies that one should no procrasternate
overly much.
Bob Kolker
Maleki
wrote:
> If I had to pick a number from a hat I would say a lifetime of 200-500
> years with a ten year fertile period per woman. That is pure guess.
My books alone will take me about 350 years to fully
read them. I just calculated it again. Plus I don't
just read a book. I have a procedure with each book
after it's read first time. This adds another 120
years. So far 470. The programs I have in mind to write
take about 50 years if newer ones aren't added later.
That's 520. The book I have in mind to write (just one
book, but consisting of several volumes) will take
about 30 years. So far I have only written the title of
it. Hehe :) Well, some main features also. This is just
what I'd like to do as hobby. There are a number of
things I would like to do for animals (animal rights).
I have to study for that for at least 10 years to begin
that process effectively. The process itself may take
about 50 years to end in passed laws. That's 610.
Problem is those who will live 610 years are not like
me. You can't get rid of unwanted ones by killing them.
This will actually increase them. I will be confronted
with a sea of badly formed immature individuals who
don't go away. The wonderful thing about living shorter
is that these individuals are constantly being replaced
with newer chances for me to educate and nurture them.
And if I cannot live 610 years then at least I may be
able to manage my thoughts and wishes continue in
action for 610 years or as long as they're needed.
Maleki
wrote:
My father had a very surprizing massive heart attack in
84 when he was 73. The doctors in the hospital left him
to himself to die (it was in the middle of the war,
they had little care in mind for old farts with bad
heart attacks). He survived it and is still around and
kicking :) Goes to short walks every morning after some
"swedish" exercises he's been doing in the morning and
evening for as long as I can remember. Drives, shops a
little, cooks a little, cleans up, reads, writes
letters, and his mind is still working like a clock. He
talks much slower though (high long distance bills!)
Actually he gets more done than me in a day sometimes
cause he's not plagued with usenet. He has told me on
many many occasions what it is that he is suffering
from. From being alone (mother is not there) by
himself. This is the greatest pain, not age itself.
So I hope you'll see your mid 90s like my father, but
if you want it to be pleasant, as I said, you must
arrange that you won't be alone. Arrange a nice
companion from right now, so on those days you'd be
long-time friends and a companion for each other.
Gregory L. Hansen
Robert Kolker <now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Bilge wrote:
>>
>> There's a lot of time between 80 years and forever.
>
>The key is that the bearable time alive varies from person to person.
>The ideal situation is for a person to be alive (and healthy!) until he
>has had enough. At which time, he ends his life. This is the best
>individual solution.
>
>The social effects of long life can be disasterous. If the fertile life
>times of humans are extended along with their effective life times, the
>planet will be 1000 deep in humans over every square inch, before too
>long. So strict birth control would have to be inforced (otherwise we
You misunderstand. Nobody is proposing to extend the lifetimes of all
humans on the planet! Just me, Bilge, and Maleki. Everyone else can sod
off.
--
"You're not as dumb as you look. Or sound. Or our best testing
indicates." -- Monty Burns to Homer Simpson
George Hammond
"Randy M. Dumse" <r...@newmicros.com> wrote in
message news:AIQje.532$Jq....@eagle.america.net...
> "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
> wrote in message news:tDlje.5784$NQ6....@news.cpqcorp.net...
> > Farewell, Franz...
>
>
> Wow, a poignant reminder of our own mortalities.
>
<snip>
>
> What an indictment of the foolish wasting of time done here. Wouldn't it
> be wonderful if those who understand SR and GR could work on improving
> and expanding it, rather the be awash with foolish and insincere
> posters, unwilling to learn, not accidentally wrong, but entrenched in
> ignorance.
> Randy M. Dumse
[George "God=G_uv" Hammond]
Yes... Thanks Franz for the many interesting posts to my relativistic
proof of God discussion (God=G_uv)... I only hope that it provided
some higher understanding of Life for you as a scientist before you died.
And just a reminder to others who feel their days may be
numbered because of advancing age or declining health or both...
there is no need to feel resentment or the "sting of death" or to
contemplate the "defeat of the grave" (as St. Paul said 2,000 yrs ago)....
if you
feel that way, and you are a physicist, NOW, for chrissakes NOW, is the
time to find out what God is scientifically, and why you have suffered so
much,
and from WHAT, and how you can achieve a (scientifically proven)
comprehension of Life before you die. I have, and so can you....
thanks to our scientific ability to understand the miraculous meaning of
General Relativity.
So long Franz... buddy.....
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Pmb
"Bill Hobba" <bho...@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote
> in message news:tDlje.5784$NQ6....@news.cpqcorp.net...
> >
> news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following from uk.rec.gardening.
> > >
> > > <Very sad news for those of you who knew Franz or enjoyed his posts.
> > >
> > > Franz was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack, sent home 4
> > > days later, and died at home after another 4 days on 28th March.>
> >
> > I missed Franz since quite a while and suspected something was
> > definitely not okay. I always really enjoyed chatting with him.
> > Mike, thanks for letting us know.
> >
> > Farewell, Franz...
>
> will miss him as well.
>
> With Sadness
> Bill
One of the things I dislike about life is when I meet someone who does
everything they can think of to insult and degrade people because when they
die I'm not unhappy.
With that in mind please feel free to be happy when I pass on to the other
side.
Pmb
dlzc1 D:cox T:net@nospam.com N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
"Pmb" <some...@somehow.com> wrote in message
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...
> One of the things I dislike about life is when I meet
> someone who does everything they can think of to
> insult and degrade people because when they die
> I'm not unhappy.
Don't worry. You haven't done everything you can think of yet.
> With that in mind please feel free to be happy
> when I pass on to the other side.
Why? I'll just meet you in person.
By the way...
<plonk "new" nym>
David A. Smith
sal
>
> "Bill Hobba" <bho...@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
> news:vjtje.9510$E7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvand...@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
>> wrote in message news:tDlje.5784$NQ6....@news.cpqcorp.net...
>> >
>> > "Mike Lyle" <mike_l...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1116592733....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > > I'm very sorry to have to pass on the following ...
>
> One of the things I dislike about life is when I meet someone who does
> everything they can think of to insult and degrade people because when
> they die I'm not unhappy.
>
> With that in mind please feel free to be happy when I pass on to the other
> side.
What on Earth was this supposed to mean??
Are you saying that you disliked Heymann because he constantly insulted
and degraded people? Looking at the reactions of others to his passing,
that's a little hard to believe. I did not know him, but he appears to
have been liked and respected.
Are you saying _you_ actively insult and degrade people, and so we should
be happy when you're gone? I don't agree with that either -- you're a
little touchy sometimes but you don't fit the description you just gave of
a truly despicable person.
--
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sal
>
> Incidentally, Franz, like many, doesn't like GR refs,
> inspite of arguing that subject, so if perchance he's unwilling to study
> the subject further, that is his loss.
That comment sounds a bit strange, Ken.
I'm fairly sure Franz is no longer studying GR actively, since he's dead.
Ken S. Tucker
sal wrote:
> On Sun, 22 May 2005 11:18:01 -0700, Ken S. Tucker wrote:
>
> >
> > Incidentally, Franz, like many, doesn't like GR refs,
> > inspite of arguing that subject, so if perchance he's unwilling to study
> > the subject further, that is his loss.
>
> That comment sounds a bit strange, Ken.
>
> I'm fairly sure Franz is no longer studying GR actively, since he's dead.
Sorry Sal, I'm a cynic, some fella pseudo-named Franz
may start posting as Sally for all I know. But if he
is in fact dead then he's certainly unwilling to study
GR, which implies that should be well done when a person
is able to.
In my own weird way it was a comment of respect.
Ken S. Tucker
Edward Green
Robert Kolker wrote:
> Daryl McCullough wrote:
> >
> > I also would like to express my sadness on the loss of Franz to this community.
> > He will be missed.
>
> An intelligent man has departed from our midst. It seems the good ones
> go faster than they arrive -- maybe. Don't mind me, I am showing my age.
> I am ten years younger than Franz.
I took you to be a much younger man, Robert: you sound like a student.
I mean you to take that as a compliment! It means your brain as well
as your humility are both intact, if I may be so bold to comment.
Edward Green
Maleki wrote:
> On 20 May 2005 20:06:25 -0700, Edward Green wrote:
>
> > His wits seemed remarkably keen -- would that I am so clear headed if I
> > reach 81 : sober or not.
>
> How do you know he is dead. Don't believe anything said
> in this forum :)
I don't. I am going with the preponderance of the probabilities.
He is at least silent.