WHAT IS MORAL ?
Alexander Abian
In article <37505EBE...@ix.netcom.com>,
Sarge <dsar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> You are a morally ailing individual, Smart1234 (as is the original poster).
Abian (the original poster) answers:
I said:
Moral is that from which I benefit, which builds up
my ego and which makes me feel secure
However, my definition above "What Moral is" does not necessarily preclude
that "the happiness of the entire humanity " could be one of the things
from which I benefit or which builds up my ego or makes me feel secure!
Did I say that it does necessarily preclude ?
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Marius Grobler
my ego and which makes me feel secure
Oh! I see; Morality is capitalism
Or how about: moral is the accepted standard to which we conform in order to
be accepted in the society to which we belong
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I don't know what any of this has to do with physics,
but as physicists represent some of the greatest minds
of our times, should they not answer a question?
Based on Marius Grobler's observation it was moral to
sacrifice Christians in the Roman games. It was,
therefore, moral to deport and exterminate Jews. It
was, therefore, moral to segregate Negros from Whites.
It may yet be moral to put street preachers in jail
(as it once was).
It is a perilous time when man sets his own morality.
It is not good to judge the morals of the past based
on the ideas of the present. We moderns think the
Roman games were barbaric and disgusting (though we
still have blood-lust, and many enjoy inflicting pain).
Currently, most people abhor the Holocaust. Segregation
also has a bad reputation today. As an occasional street
preacher, I can testify as to the actions that many
people will take against street preachers or door-to-
door visitors. However, it is wrong to depend on the
emotional reactions that people have concerning the
opposition of someone's activities. Humans are not
all-knowing and all-wise. It may be that it did not
occur to them that their actions were wrong, or, if
they were wrong, that they were any different than
the rest of the world (accepted standard). An unusual
feature of Christianity is that it raises the bar
of acceptable behavior by voluntary self-government.
What is the difference between someone who enters your
home and takes your valuables and someone who offers
you what they believe is good advice? What is the
difference between offering advice or opinion and
offering pleasures? What is the difference between
discussing God and displaying pornography? Is
pornography opinion? The Supreme Court seems to
believe it is, and calls pornography, "speech." It
does not seem to matter that pornography is sold
(except for samples), whereas public speech is not.
Can a Website charge an access fee and still claim
a First Amendment right? Or, does the charge show
they are engaged in business, and business may be
regulated or even shut down?
Pornography is destructive of the peace, the public
good and morality, at least when it undermines
self-government. Society breaks down when self-government
decreases.
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Pertti Lounesto
> Moral is that from which I benefit, which builds up
> my ego and which makes me feel secure
>
> Oh! I see; Morality is capitalism
>
> Or how about: moral is the accepted standard to which we conform in order to
> be accepted in the society to which we belong.
If we belong to a society, we are already accepted in the
society, and cannot be accepted in it any more.
StarStuffs
Oh! I see; Morality is capitalism
*haha..could be
Or how about: moral is the accepted standard to which we conform in order to
be accepted in the society to which we belong.
*I like that one Marius. I think that is one way to put it.
I think morals stem from how we think and act towards others as part of our
conscious decisions to live. What makes us feel "good" and "bad" about
something is part of our consciousness. We tend to just "know" when some
things are inherently wrong or right. Those that have a skewed version of
this can be a threat to humanity.
Yes, we can conform to a society, but that does not mean it is right -or
wrong for that matter. Look at the German Nazi's..right or wrong? depends on
the side of the fence you are standing on. Morals get very dangerous when it
crosses the gray lines of society.
Just a thought or 2.
StarStuffs
Sammy The Tailor
Abian) wrote:
> In article <37505EBE...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Sarge <dsar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> > You are a morally ailing individual, Smart1234 (as is the original poster).
>
> Abian (the original poster) answers:
>
> I said:
>
> Moral is that from which I benefit, which builds up
> my ego and which makes me feel secure
>
> However, my definition above "What Moral is" does not necessarily preclude
> that "the happiness of the entire humanity " could be one of the things
> from which I benefit or which builds up my ego or makes me feel secure!
>
> Did I say that it does necessarily preclude ?
>
the stupidest definition of morality i have ever seen
ok abian, i claim that shooting you in the face is moral because
1. i benefit from it
2. it builds up my ego
3. it makes me feel secure
according to YOUR definition of "morality" its fine
so in conclusion, i would like to be moral so i need to shoot you in your face.
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Marius Grobler
If you explain something in such a way that no-one can misunderstand you
then somebody will (Confucius)
How I thought it would read: To be accepted in the society vs to be not
accepted
;> MG
Pertti Lounesto wrote in message <37540074...@hut.fi>...
>Marius Grobler fails to notice his logical/vicious circle :
>
>> Moral is that from which I benefit, which builds up
>> my ego and which makes me feel secure
>>
>> Oh! I see; Morality is capitalism
>>
>> Or how about: moral is the accepted standard to which we conform in order
to
>> be accepted in the society to which we belong.
>
Pertti Lounesto
> Ok Pertti, you win
>
> If you explain something in such a way that no-one can misunderstand you
> then somebody will (Confucius)
>
> How I thought it would read: To be accepted in the society vs to be not
> accepted
OK Marius, you should have considered becoming a playwright:
to be or not be (accepted in the society).
Richard Herring
> I don't know what any of this has to do with physics,
Indeed.
> but as physicists represent some of the greatest minds
> of our times, should they not answer a question?
[cutting, finally, to the question(s)]
> What is the difference between someone who enters your
> home and takes your valuables and someone who offers
> you what they believe is good advice?
One's a burglar, the other is a busybody.
Is this one of those party games?
> What is the difference between offering advice or opinion and
> offering pleasures?
Haranguing and hedonism.
Lecturing and lechery.
Preaching, pimping, procurement, pandering.
Tub-thumping and titillation.
> What is the difference between discussing God and displaying pornography?
Faith and filth?
They produce different kinds of conviction?
No, it's no use. I still can't see the joke.
> Is pornography opinion? The Supreme Court seems to
> believe it is, and calls pornography, "speech." It
> does not seem to matter that pornography is sold
> (except for samples), whereas public speech is not.
> Can a Website charge an access fee and still claim
> a First Amendment right? Or, does the charge show
> they are engaged in business, and business may be
> regulated or even shut down?
I give in. Hire a lawyer.
I make that six questions.
> Pornography is destructive of the peace, the public
> good and morality,
An interesting claim (though somewhat weakened by the following
clause). How would you set about proving it?
> at least when it undermines self-government.
How does it do that?
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Richard Herring | <richard...@gecm.com>
Marius Grobler
>sacrifice Christians in the Roman games. It was,
>therefore, moral to deport and exterminate Jews. It
>was, therefore, moral to segregate Negros from Whites.
>It may yet be moral to put street preachers in jail
>(as it once was).
No, from the scenario you sketched the only conclusion that can be drawn is
that Man is immoral.
>It is a perilous time when man sets his own morality.
Granted. It should be tested against the will of the One.
Tom Potter
is like "investing" in the stock market.
People engage in moral behavior,
because they are integrating ( In their minds )
the anticipated returns from all people, over all time.
Moral behavior pays off
because when people come to trust you.
It is like compound interest, and the returns
are much greater than for immoral behavior.
Although some people profit from immoral behavior
for short times, over the long haul, immoral behavior
is a bad investment for almost all people.
As the old saying goes,
"Time wounds all heels."
Of course, many folks believe that there is
an after death payoff for moral behavior/
This is a positive thing because they
benefit even during their lifetime, both
from external positive feedback from others,
and from the internal satisfaction and continual "closure".
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SantyClz
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> People engage in moral behavior,
> because they are integrating ( In their minds )
> the anticipated returns from all people, over all time.
I think you left out the word "some" modifying "people" in
your first sentance.
Some people engage in moral behaviour because it allows them
to feel good about themselves, not necessarily expecting others
to behave in any defined way.
Joe "at least I think (hope?) that's why I do" Shair
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