Fun with Majorettes
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There is a long parade of majorettes, moving steadily from left to
right. To the left of you, they hold their batons fixed in such a way
that the baton orientation forms a sine wave of some wavelength.
To the right of you, the orientation of the batons also form a sine
wave, but the wavelength has doubled!
How can this be? The majorettes have not slowed, and their spacing is
the same everywhere.
Sorcerer
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you were a majorette (or even a major) your wristwatch would stop.
Along the street is a bell, and as each baton arrives the bell is struck.
DONG, ding, plink, silence, plink, ding,
DONG, ding, plink, silence, plink, ding,
DONG, ding, plink, silence, plink, ding...
However, if the batons are twirled,
DONG, DONG,DONG, DONG,DONG, DONG,DONG, DONG...
Have you ever been in a crowd that does "the wave"?
I did at MGM Studios in Florida, waiting for Mickey Mouse
to show up. A group of people begin it by throwing their arms
in the air. Those in nearby seats to the right, left and behind
see this and being apes, they imitate. Monkey see, monkey do.
But of course there is a time delay, and pretty soon the
arms in the air reach the end of the row. After a very short while
the crowd catches on and join in, throwing their arms in
the air as the ripple moves along the row. The wave moves,
the apes remain seated. The ripple travels back and forth
until the apes get bored.
Turn the harmonics on:
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Androcles
tadchem
Insufficient data. Apparently your words alone are insufficient to
allow replicaiton of the phenomenon.
Do you have a link to a picture or a video?
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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Sorcerer wrote:
> That's the nature of observer dependency that SR relies on. If
> you were a majorette (or even a major) your wristwatch would stop.
I am not a very clear communicator so I work to improve.
This is not an SR question. I am asking what the majorettes can do to
create a doubling of their baton wavelength.
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tadchem wrote:
> Insufficient data. Apparently your words alone are insufficient to
> allow replicaiton of the phenomenon.
>
> Do you have a link to a picture or a video?
>
> Tom Davidson
> Richmond, VA
I am asking what the majorettes can do to
RP
What can majorettes do to get you to stop posting the same stupid
question?
Richard Perry
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RP wrote:
> What can majorettes do to get you to stop posting the same stupid
> question?
>
> Richard Perry
I don't know ... maybe.. um... answer it?
Sorcerer
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http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wave.gif
There's a fat chick twirling a baton with a big fat knob on the end,
and a dumb blonde twirling her baton at rightangles to all the others.
This infatuation with light being a wave with a "wavelength" is pure
nonsense.
Androcles
Sorcerer
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Androcles
Sorcerer
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No such animal as "wavelength".
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wave.gif
A fat chick has a fat baton, a dumb blonde is twirling her baton sideways
and they are not marching.
RP
All of the wave-like behaviors of light are thus imagined, eh?
Richard Perry
Sorcerer
Wave-like behaviour isn't imagined, but waves are only in your head.
The bullet spins along the rifled barrel, but the rifle doesn't move.
What's the wavelength of a car?
What's the frequency of the road?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Catalina/Drive.htm
RP
Except the maxima and minima ARE moving. You studied the wrong artistic
rendering.
Richard Perry
Sorcerer
You didn't answer the questions. You studied the wrong principle of
relativity.
The car stays in the middle of the screen, the world moves.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Catalina/Drive.htm
But then you are incompetent and a moron, it makes no difference.
Androcles.
tadchem
I was under the impression that the batons are straight rods of fixed
length. No single baton has a 'wavelength.'
If you are talking about some *collective* behaviour of batons in the
hand of moving majorettes, you are still not conveying exactly what
behavior you have in mind.
How do the batons make a 'wave?'
How does the wave move? Left to right or right to left? Does it move at
all, or does it with the same speed as the majorettes? Do the
majorettes move their batons relative to themselves?
You have said that the majorettes move left to right (presumably in a
file rather than a rank). Presumably each retains hold of her baton.
Are the batons spinning or just moving up and down? Do the batons meet
end-to-end?
So many questions you have left unanswered by your sketchy
description...
Words could describe it, *if* you have a very clear image to work from
and can explicitly describe everything pertinent in the image with
sufficient exactness and detail that a reader can duplicate the image
correctly. (Remember high school geometry class and having to describe
a diagram in words to match it to a theorem?) This is a little more
challenging than describing the major diagonal of a parallelogram.
A video would show it best, but a jpeg or four would be helpful.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
PD
If they are holding their batons *fixed*, then the only way they can do
this is to double the space between adjacent majorettes. Unfortunately,
this places an undue burden on majorettes far away from where you are
standing. The reason is pretty plain. The first majorette to the right
of you has to take some steps to increase her spacing from you from x
to 2x. The *next* majorette, who was at distance 2x from you, now has
to take twice as many steps as the first majorette, to increase from 2x
to 4x. The next majorette has to go from 3x to 6x, three times as far,
and so on. If it's a very long line, this gets tough.
However, the majorettes don't have to hold their batons fixed and march
in a line to make a wave. The can also stand in one place and move
their batons up and down, each majorette slightly out of phase from the
adjacent majorette (lagging a little in time). Now to double the
wavelength, there are two possibilities: a) raise and lower the batons
twice as slowly, b) increase the speed of the wave by halving the phase
(the lagging) between adjacent majorettes.
PD
Sorcerer
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Twirl.gif
Increasing the distance between majorettes changes the velocity
of the Archimedean screw. How that moron Einstein invented a
constant velocity of light is one of the great mysteries of physics
(or rather, psychology).
Androcles.
Ben Newsam
>If they are holding their batons *fixed*, then the only way they can do
>this is to double the space between adjacent majorettes. Unfortunately,
>this places an undue burden on majorettes far away from where you are
>standing. The reason is pretty plain. The first majorette to the right
>of you has to take some steps to increase her spacing from you from x
>to 2x. The *next* majorette, who was at distance 2x from you, now has
>to take twice as many steps as the first majorette, to increase from 2x
>to 4x. The next majorette has to go from 3x to 6x, three times as far,
>and so on. If it's a very long line, this gets tough.
I think he means, though, that they simply start taking shorter steps.
That, or they start going up or down some stairs.
Earle Jones
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*
Doppler effect.
earle
*
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PD wrote:
> If they are holding their batons *fixed*,
Thanks, PD
This is the same conclusion I came to. By each majorette adopting an
internal frequency, the
wavelength can be altered without altering the spacing or speed of the
majorettes.
This makes me wonder if compton scattering changes the phase velocity
of light.
Sorcerer
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The red batons are twirling counterclockwise.
Phuckwit Duck is a bloody-minded perverter of truth.
actioni...@yahoo.com
actioni...@yahoo.com wrote:
> PD wrote:
> > If they are holding their batons *fixed*,
> > PD
>
> Thanks, PD
> This is the same conclusion I came to. By each majorette adopting an
> internal frequency, the
> wavelength can be altered without altering the spacing or speed of the
> majorettes.
There is another parameter to this: cycles per meter. This is quite
independent of the
internal frequency of each majorette.
Androcles
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Yes, very independent, and it can be... err... undefined, if there are no
metres.
Of course cycles per metre would be a rolling wheel, not a twirling baton.
Did you know the flange on a rail wheel goes backwards as the train
goes forwards? Ordinary wheels stop on the road as the car goes
forwards, but the flange on a rail wheel extends below the surface of
the rail and moves back.
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Androcles wrote:
>
> Yes, very independent,
> Did you know the flange on a rail wheel goes backwards as the train
> goes forwards?
That's very interesting. I've always taken this stuff for granted and
never really thought carefully about it.
But I think that's it - you can specify any wave that has a "carrier"
like train cars or majorettes with three independent parameters:
internal frequency of each carrier, (fixed) velocity of each carrier,
and wave number.
Androcles
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|
| Androcles wrote:
|
| >
| > Yes, very independent,
| > Did you know the flange on a rail wheel goes backwards as the train
| > goes forwards?
|
| That's very interesting. I've always taken this stuff for granted and
| never really thought carefully about it.
|
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Twirl.gif
The fat chick has a black ball on her baton, the dumb blondes
with the red batons are standing sideways.
Which way does the wave go, and why? Think carefully about it.
| But I think that's it - you can specify any wave that has a "carrier"
| like train cars or majorettes with three independent parameters:
| internal frequency of each carrier, (fixed) velocity of each carrier,
| and wave number.
I can ride a train. What do I see of the wave compared what you
see standing on the trackside?
Which way does the wave go, and why?
actioni...@yahoo.com
Androcles wrote:
> | But I think that's it - you can specify any wave that has a "carrier"
> | like train cars or majorettes with three independent parameters:
> | internal frequency of each carrier, (fixed) velocity of each carrier,
> | and wave number.
>
> I can ride a train. What do I see of the wave compared what you
> see standing on the trackside?
> Which way does the wave go, and why?
Well, if my description is accurate, you see zero velocity of the
carrier (train car). You see the same internal frequency of the carrier
as I do, you see the same wave number I do (if I take a snapshot I can
count radians per unit length)
actioni...@yahoo.com
actioni...@yahoo.com wrote:
Suppose you are riding a majorette. You have an internal frequency.
After you pass a certain point your frequency diminishes and you roll
over and go to sleep.
Androcles
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|
| Androcles wrote:
|
| > | But I think that's it - you can specify any wave that has a "carrier"
| > | like train cars or majorettes with three independent parameters:
| > | internal frequency of each carrier, (fixed) velocity of each carrier,
| > | and wave number.
| >
| > I can ride a train. What do I see of the wave compared what you
| > see standing on the trackside?
| > Which way does the wave go, and why?
|
| Well, if my description is accurate, you see zero velocity of the
| carrier (train car).
Correct. The train doesn't move relative to me. And in fact I'm
riding spaceship Earth around the sun right now, alongside my desk,
we are both travelling at the same speed but I see zero velocity
of my desk.
| You see the same internal frequency of the carrier
| as I do,
Now we have a problem. I cannot "see" a majorette until a
majorette is beside me, there is a door between cars and
1 majorette per car.
Neither can you. As far as you are concerned, you are standing
at the end of a tunnel and see many majorettes as the train leaves
the tunnel, but then the train enters another tunnel and you can
only see one majorette at a time through the train windows.
I too can see all the majorettes, but I have to walk along the train
to do so.
The problem is each baton *I* see is turned once a second,
but you see a different identical baton and it *appears* to
you that they turn much faster. You saw the first baton
upright, the middle baton upright and the last baton upright;
the train has 3 cars. The whole train passes you in 1 second.
To you, the batons made 3 turns in one second.
To me, 1 turn in one second. You are looking at *different*
batons, I am looking at the same baton. Yet all batons
are turning at 1 turn per second. This is what doppler shift is
all about.
| you see the same wave number I do (if I take a snapshot I can
| count radians per unit length)
Length is not related to frequency. f = 1/t, not 1/x.
Radians per unit length is meaningless, there are only radians
per unit time.
Roll a beer or soda can for 10 turns in one second, or
10 turns in one minute. Distance moved = 2pi * diameter,
no matter how fast you roll. Frequency and length are unrelated.
Radians per unit length is ALWAYS 2pi.
Androcles
Androcles
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The chance would be fine thing. Do you know any majorettes as
old as me?
| You have an internal frequency.
Not for riding majorettes, the frequency is zero.
After you pass a certain point your frequency diminishes and you roll
| over and go to sleep.
I was on the Thames embankment (I'm quite familiar with London)
and feeling rather tired I lay on the parapet alongside the river to rest.
Well... I fell asleep... before long I started to dream, when I
was suddenly woken by someone shaking my arm. I hate being
woken like that, so I grunted and tried to go back to sleep.
My arm was shaken again, so I opened my eyes and a pretty young
woman was looking at me with big eyes and said "Are you ok?"
"Yeah", says I, "leave me alone".
"I can't do that", she said, "if you are that tired come with
me and I'll find somewhere for you to sleep for the night".
I thought about it, and realised other do-gooders wouldn't
leave me alone if I stayed where I was so I said "Ok".
She took to me to a flat in Chelsea, gave me a supper and
after I'd eaten she pointed to the bedroom. Well... there
was only one bed, and as she started to undress I realised
she meant for me to sleep there. So I undressed, but said
"I'm a gentleman. I'll face the wall and keep on this side."
She made no reply, so we both got in bed and I did what
I said I'd do.
I was about to fall asleep again when she said "Aren't
you going to roll over and give me a kiss?"
I rolled over and fell in the Thames.
Androcles
hanson
"Androcles" <Headm...@hogwarts.physics_d> wrote in message
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[Egral] aka <actioni...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> | actioni...@yahoo.com wrote:
> | Suppose you are riding a majorette.
>
> The chance would be fine thing.
> Do you know any majorettes as old as me?
>
> | You have an internal frequency.
>
> Not for riding majorettes, the frequency is zero.
> After you pass a certain point your frequency
>
[hanson]
Andro, you are the 1st one in some 30 posts who broke
the silence that Egral had the rest of the posters going
and kept them on a roll by him having posted a pair of
**pussy-sweat stained panties** and a baton by which
he kept on leading them around with frequency... ahaha...
http://www.majorettes.ca/images/U903837INP.jpg ...
....which finally prompted Andro to post below an all time
classic tale of a WET DREAM.... ahahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, dudes.... ahahahanson
>
[Andro]
Tom Potter
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No doubt about it,
as hanson pointed out,
that was some WET DREAM.
Thanks for the laugh, dude.... ahahaha
(Just explaining your joke to the dumb and the dense.)
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