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gdewilde

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Jan 9, 2009, 3:53:13 PM1/9/09
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cghck7rhwVI

Build your own,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR6FeSaBhc&feature=PlayList&p=C6720F626F311412&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Hydroxy%20Boosters.pdf

On Jan 5, 8:56 pm, Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, it is possible to run an automobile by pouring in 10 gallons
> of water and 2 quarts of acetone. This was first demonstrated to
> Henry Ford decades ago. The only problem is that metal parts exposed
> to the solution tends to burn up the engine very quickly and then
> there are problems with rust. The main problem with the simple "demo"
> of just adding 2 quarts of acetone to 10 gallons of water in a car's
> gas tank is that by the time you empty the tank, the motor has been
> running so hot that it seizes up.
>
> Petroleum fuel is not the most efficient of fuels, but it's relatively
> cheap to produce and not significantly dependent on other industries
> for raw materials. There are about a dozen potential fuels that can
> be generated from coal, including carbide, acetone, and even products
> generated from amonia, but it depends on byproducts of coal fired
> furnaces such as steel mills and electrical plants.
>
> Good chemists would have no trouble listing 20-30 compounds which
> could provide greater efficiency in terms of gallons of fuel consumed
> for number of miles driven. There are even 30 year old patents for
> devices which can provide as much as 200 miles per gallon in a V8
> engine or SUV by heating and vaporizing the fuel and feeding the
> vapors into the engine rather than the droplets of gasoline bound
> together in a way that prevents it from burning as efficiently as
> possible.
>
> Part of the problem is that the "Big 3" auto makers have discouraged
> innovations that threaten their most profitable market in large luxury
> cars, trucks, and SUVs. If a Korean car company came up with a family
> car that could get 200 Mpg using these 30 year old patents (expired),
> such a car could almost instantly cripple the USA owned auto makers.
> As a result, when such innovations are announced, the "Big 3" would
> traditionally attempt to paint the innovator as a crackpot (often
> quietly paying cash for the patent to keep it from ever being
> deployed), to make sure that they could preserve the status quo.
>
> We see the same mentality in the Windows vs Linux debate. Microsoft
> spends almost $4 billion/year and controls almost $40 billion in co-op
> advertizing revenue, which is uses to protect the concept of spending
> $400 for an Operating system, $500 for an Office Suite, and $1500 for
> a database. They also spend aggressively to discourage the coverage
> of competitor products such as operating systems selling for $50/copy
> (even though that's about what the OEMs pay for Windows), Office
> suites selling for $50-100 (which is about what OEMs pay Microsoft for
> Office), and Databases available for $20-$50.
>
> Microsoft isn't seriously arguing that people should pay $400 for an
> OS, but they are attempting to protect a distribution chain that they
> have carefully cultivated for almost 30 years. If people generally
> accepted the concept that they should only spend $30 for an Operating
> system they install AFTER they've purchased the machine, it might
> cause the OEMs to stop pre-installing Windows and let the customer
> choose between Linux and Windows after they take the machine home.
> The OEMs might decide not to install Windows at all, or they might
> start to feel, as they did 30 years ago, that an operating system
> didn't have that much intrinsic value, and would be willing to install
> Linux and let customers pay to upgrade to Windows.
>
> It's all about perception. While Bill Gates ran the company with his
> iron fist (and his father's legal prowess), Microsoft was a master at
> managing perception. The pricing model is "perceived value pricing",
> creating the agreement that your product is worth so much, based on
> the PERCEPTION that there is value of some form (such as productivity)
> that is so much greater than the value generated by other competitors
> willing to charge a reasonable margin over their production and
> distribution costs.
>
> Imagine if 90% of the cars being sold by the "big 3" were selling for
> $25,000 to $50,000, and someone came up with a really safe, reliable,
> and efficient car for $3,000. The other car makers would do
> everything in their power to promote the notion that their cars were
> safe and reliable, while this cheap little car was just "junk". They
> might even make allusions to the Yugo, or the AMC Gremlin.
>
> We're looking at homes that sold for $120,000 in 1996 that sold for
> $450,000 in 2006, and are now selling for $250,000 because mortgage
> lenders agreed that the house was actually WORTH $450,000 based on the
> assumption that they could sell the house to someone else for that
> price any time they needed to. When the mortgage banks realized that
> people would rather walk away than sell the house for $250,000 when
> they owed $400,000, they stopped agreeing that the houses were worth
> $450,000 and decided they would only loan $250,000 to a new buyer.
>
> I suspect that Microsoft is also looking at a melt-down in the
> agreement that Windows is worth what Microsoft wants for it. If Linux
> becomes an attractive enough option, corporate customers may be
> seriously considering the option of switching to Linux on the
> workstation. Linux may not be "better than" Windows based on
> subjective and objective criteria, but the CEO and CFO may decide that
> Linux is "Good enough" if it will save them several million or even
> $billion in upgrade and support costs.
> .

Excellent analogy.

tadchem

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Jan 9, 2009, 4:16:42 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 3:53 pm, gdewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cghck7rhwVI
>
> Build your own,
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR6FeSaBhc&feature=PlayList&p=C6720F6...
> Excellent analogy.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wonder if they'll run on piss.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Androcles

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Jan 9, 2009, 4:23:31 PM1/9/09
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"tadchem" <tad...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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=====================================
Maybe, but I thought chicken shit was all the rage.


Curly Surmudgeon

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Jan 9, 2009, 4:56:54 PM1/9/09
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On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:31 +0000, Androcles wrote:

> "tadchem" <tad...@comcast.net> wrote in message

> news:6c12053b-dfa6-4a92-ae77-
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Only among chickenhawks.

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gabydewilde

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:02:30 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 10:16 pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I wonder if they'll run on piss.

How is that self inflicted economic death coming along Tommy?

Give us some insight, how long before the nuclear war starts?


gabydewilde

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:03:54 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 10:56 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>
>        11 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy
>

Did you really think that?

How naive!


hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:04:00 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 4:16 pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I wonder if they'll run on piss.
>
> Tom Davidson
> Richmond, VA

and Vinegar. You've got to use the correct proportions.

hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:07:27 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 4:56 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:31 +0000, Androcles wrote:

> > I wonder if they'll run on piss.

> > Maybe, but I thought chicken shit was all the rage.
>
> Only among chickenhawks.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly

The socialist- anarchists who voted for O'bama by proxy run their
vehicles on compressed water. Hi, hi!

gabydewilde

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:29:42 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 11:07 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> The socialist- anarchists who voted for O'bama by proxy run their
> vehicles on compressed water.  Hi, hi!

Nah, they vote obama because the Tee Vee told them to.

Just like the Tee Vee told them to cheer the assassination of Meyer.

I'm curious how long it will take for the Tee Vee to program them to
cheer the recession.

B.E.S.T. Korea LTD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHFDIlZL43I

Yull Brown

http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/yull-brown/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/9#

Phemax Taiwan

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Phemax_Technology:_Microsun_Plasmagnetic_Alternator

You and the Tee Vee people would rather spend your time crying about
Obmama.

BWHAHAHA

Useless eaters!


zzbu...@netscape.net

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:41:18 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 3:53 pm, gdewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR6FeSaBhc&feature=PlayList&p=C6720F6..

Well, real engineers have known for a long time, that if done
properly,
it does increase gas mileage.

But the real engineers have also told people for a long time,
the reason we work on Autonomous Vehicles, Fiber Optics, Holograms,
GPS,
biodiesel, hybrids, Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive A.I., C++, Laser
Disks,
Mini Hard Disks,, and Post GM Robotics is because that trick only
works on Government Vehicles.


.

gabydewilde

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:44:28 PM1/9/09
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Who cares about proportions?

Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Century
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4

Upscaling! Thats what it's all about!


gabydewilde

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Jan 9, 2009, 5:53:47 PM1/9/09
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On Jan 9, 11:41 pm, "zzbun...@netscape.net" <zzbun...@netscape.net>
wrote:

> On Jan 9, 3:53 pm, gdewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cghck7rhwVI
>
> > Build your own,
> >  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdR6FeSaBhc&feature=PlayList&p=C6720F6..
>
>    Well, real engineers have known for a long time, that if done
> properly,
>    it does increase gas mileage.
>
>    But the real engineers have also told people for a long time,
>    the reason we work on Autonomous Vehicles, Fiber Optics, Holograms,
> GPS,
>    biodiesel, hybrids, Post Ford Batteries,  Adaptive A.I., C++, Laser
> Disks,
>    Mini Hard Disks,, and Post GM Robotics is because that trick only
>    works on Government Vehicles.
>

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7260.htm

"Investors who visit the J. P. Morgan Chase Web site these days are
finding more than the usual corporate news. The bank has posted a
letter of apology and the results of an eye-opening research project,
which found that two of its predecessor banks had participated in the
slave trade, accepting about 13,000 enslaved people as collateral for
loans issued in Louisiana in the mid-19th century. When the borrowers
defaulted on their loans, the banks took ownership of some slaves and
presumably sold them."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/31/opinion/31mon3.html

HAHAHAHAHAHA

"We work 40-60 hours a week working our butts off to make the company
rich, spend on average 2 hours a day commuting to work, spend less and
less time with our families due to job commitments. We receive 2 weeks
of vacation a year on average, sometimes have to work weekends, boss
is always on your butt making sure you're doing your job so his butt
is covered. And for what? To pay for the little "pleasures" (beer,
clothes, shoes, food, rent, taxes)... People are losing their
pensions, getting laid off because CEO's and other executives don't
want to take huge salary cuts, so why not screw the slave, err,
employee."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081128000012AACpfQr

The B is dead - long live the B !

Sir Kevin Rudd

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Jan 9, 2009, 9:01:31 PM1/9/09
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"gdewilde" <foto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cghck7rhwVI

Water powered cars are old tech, my car runs off perpetual energy.

Buerste

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*********************

I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.


zzbu...@netscape.net

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Jan 10, 2009, 8:14:27 AM1/10/09
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Well, that's not much difference at all. Since CEO is just an
Honary Title
they give to people whose entire knowledge of sceince,
engineering, irad,
medicine, finance, history, and technology investment permanently
stalled out sometime
around about 1452. So most of their calls are just auto-rerouted
to Sid Caesar Returns anyway.

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

Curly Surmudgeon

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Jan 10, 2009, 12:51:55 PM1/10/09
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:08:03 -0500, Buerste wrote:

> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c98d286e-2d08-4b69-ae12-
ed0a36...@p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com...


> On Jan 9, 4:56 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:31 +0000, Androcles wrote:
>
>> > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
>> > Maybe, but I thought chicken shit was all the rage.
>>
>> Only among chickenhawks.
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Curly
>
> The socialist- anarchists who voted for O'bama by proxy run their
> vehicles on compressed water. Hi, hi! *********************
>
> I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.

How about the conservatives, libertarians, authoritarians, and
republicans who voted for Obama?

Then there are those who vote for McCain/Palin. They're going to hell.

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Regards, Curly
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Don Lancaster

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Jan 10, 2009, 12:58:05 PM1/10/09
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>> <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.

Water powered cars will, of course, be banned because of the extreme
flooding they will cause in thruway low spots.


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hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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Jan 10, 2009, 1:06:21 PM1/10/09
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On Jan 9, 5:29 pm, gabydewilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 11:07 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > The socialist- anarchists who voted for O'bama by proxy run their
> > vehicles on compressed water.  Hi, hi!
>
> Nah, they vote obama because the Tee Vee told them to.
>
> Just like the Tee Vee told them to cheer the assassination of Meyer.
>
> I'm curious how long it will take for the Tee Vee to program them to
> cheer the recession.

They're working on it. They've already got the projected new claims
for unemployment DOWN while the increase in jobs lost are UP.

Hmmm?

> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Phemax_Technology:_Microsun_Pl...

hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:08:03 -0500, Buerste wrote:
> > <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:c98d286e-2d08-4b69-ae12-
>
> ed0a36171...@p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com...

>
> > On Jan 9, 4:56 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:31 +0000, Androcles wrote:
>
> >> > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
> >> > Maybe, but I thought chicken shit was all the rage.
>
> >> Only among chickenhawks.
>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Curly
>
> > The socialist- anarchists who voted for O'bama by proxy run their
> > vehicles on compressed water.  Hi, hi! *********************
>
> > I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.
>
> How about the conservatives, libertarians, authoritarians, and
> republicans who voted for Obama?
>
> Then there are those who vote for McCain/Palin.  They're going to hell.
>
> --
> Regards, Curly

Squirrelly, you ignorant slut. You say that people who believe in
hell are "crazymotherfuckers," yet you say that people who voted a
certain way are going to hell. You just put yourself in the untenable
position of either being a liar, or of being a "crazymotherfucker."
And I don't think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive.

hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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Jan 10, 2009, 1:12:15 PM1/10/09
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On Jan 10, 12:58 pm, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
> >> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

I'm just curious where all the water dripping from the exhaust of a
hydrogen powered vehicle will go? Lets say you are driving in Chicago
in January and the temperature is 19F.

hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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On Jan 9, 5:44 pm, gabydewilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 11:04 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:16 pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
>
> > > Tom Davidson
> > > Richmond, VA
>
> > and Vinegar.  You've got to use the correct proportions.
>
> Who cares about proportions?
>
> Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Centuryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4

>
> Upscaling! Thats what it's all about!

Nice to see you have another new nym, Squirrelly.

gdewilde

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On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm just curious where all the water dripping from the exhaust of a
> hydrogen powered vehicle will go?  Lets say you are driving in Chicago
> in January and the temperature is 19F.

Hydrocarbon + heat => hydrogen + carbon

hydrogen + oxygen => water

Do you see where I'm going with this?

In stead you should ask:

"Where does all the carbon go?"

Or:

"Where does all the oxygen come from?"

You don't have to cry about the water, clean water is perfectly safe.
And cheap I should add.

Introduction to the water fueled car
http://knol.google.com/k///1yrf1mzjtxzk5/15

The Water fueled car
http://knol.google.com/k///1yrf1mzjtxzk5/2

almostcutm...@yahoo.com

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Jan 10, 2009, 2:20:21 PM1/10/09
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On Jan 10, 2:04 pm, gdewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 7:12 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm just curious where all the water dripping from the exhaust of a
> > hydrogen powered vehicle will go?  Lets say you are driving in Chicago
> > in January and the temperature is 19F.
>
> Hydrocarbon + heat => hydrogen + carbon
>
> hydrogen + oxygen => water
>
> Do you see where I'm going with this?
>
> In stead you should ask:
>
> "Where does all the carbon go?"
>
>  Or:
>
> "Where does all the oxygen come from?"
>
> You don't have to cry about the water, clean water is perfectly safe.

Really? Physics tells me that when water is cooled below 32F that it
freezes. Driving on ice is perfectly safe?

gdewilde

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We have the medical establishment driving up the price of med care.

We have the mortgage people driving up the price of housing.

We have the microsoft people bugging up the price of software.

We have the coal and petroleum people driving up the price of energy.

We have the tax people driving up the taxes.

We have the militards who want to keep their wars and expand upon the
profit.

Now for the ironic part!

Historically the medical establishment kills the most people AND
historically the only thing that can save us is a big war with lots of
death. Why is not important at all. Only when dieing people care about
non-trivial subjects.

Look at America, the whole continent is looking for constructive
things all of a sudden! This while 10 years ago their life was all
about Hollywood, Disney SUV's and hamburger eating contests.

Even in Europe some people are beginning to figure out Football is not
the meaning of life.

Look how much buttons on the interface

http://shenghuo.google.cn/shenghuo/?hl=zh-CN&tab=i8

It's a reflection of what people want and what people can use. In the
west we are much to brainwashed to be able to use a page like that.
One would need teams of experts to hold their hand.

http://news.sina.com.cn/

Look how much links! Look how long the page is! LOL !


______________
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

almostcutm...@yahoo.com

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Jan 10, 2009, 2:43:33 PM1/10/09
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On Jan 10, 2:31 pm, gdewilde <fotot...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Even in Europe some people are beginning to figure out Football is not
> the meaning of life.

I've said on here before that the news outlets report on sports as if
it were important.

Curly Surmudgeon

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Jan 10, 2009, 5:50:30 PM1/10/09
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You're going to hell too...

Curly Surmudgeon

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Jan 10, 2009, 5:53:49 PM1/10/09
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:31:58 -0800, gdewilde wrote:

> On Jan 10, 7:13 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 9, 5:44 pm, gabydewilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 9, 11:04 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > On Jan 9, 4:16 pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
>>
>> > > > Tom Davidson
>> > > > Richmond, VA
>>
>> > > and Vinegar.  You've got to use the correct proportions.
>>
>> > Who cares about proportions?
>>
>> > Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th
>> > Centuryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4
>>
>> > Upscaling! Thats what it's all about!
>>
>> Nice to see you have another new nym, Squirrelly.
>
> We have the medical establishment driving up the price of med care.
>
> We have the mortgage people driving up the price of housing.
>
> We have the microsoft people bugging up the price of software.
>
> We have the coal and petroleum people driving up the price of energy.
>
> We have the tax people driving up the taxes.
>
> We have the militards who want to keep their wars and expand upon the
> profit.

You realize that you're going to be attacked by the bushbots, don't you?

Proof and evidence do not exist in their world, when it conflicts with
their preconceived opinions. Plan on your character to be attacked, your
mother to be vitually gang-banged, your integrity to be impugned.

Keep up the good work.



> Now for the ironic part!
>
> Historically the medical establishment kills the most people AND
> historically the only thing that can save us is a big war with lots of
> death. Why is not important at all. Only when dieing people care about
> non-trivial subjects.
>
> Look at America, the whole continent is looking for constructive things
> all of a sudden! This while 10 years ago their life was all about
> Hollywood, Disney SUV's and hamburger eating contests.
>
> Even in Europe some people are beginning to figure out Football is not
> the meaning of life.
>
> Look how much buttons on the interface
>
> http://shenghuo.google.cn/shenghuo/?hl=zh-CN&tab=i8
>
> It's a reflection of what people want and what people can use. In the
> west we are much to brainwashed to be able to use a page like that. One
> would need teams of experts to hold their hand.
>
> http://news.sina.com.cn/
>
> Look how much links! Look how long the page is! LOL !
>
>
> ______________
> http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

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tadchem

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Jan 10, 2009, 6:45:17 PM1/10/09
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On Jan 9, 4:23 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> "tadchem" <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> Maybe, but I thought chicken shit was all the rage.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

The chicken shit is in the driver's seat.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Androcles

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"tadchem" <tad...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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==========================================
Ah, so that's what I could smell. And to think I thought it was methane;
instead it's an hydrogenated sulphurous rotten egg.
Water-powered Fire Truck:
http://tinyurl.com/7jl8ur

Libby Loo

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<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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There's no such thing as water in Chicago when the temperature is 19°F.
Anyone who has ever tried to store drinking water in their car over a
Chicago winter would tell you that it is a great undertaking. We have had
discussions here in the group about storing water in vehicles.

Maybe some kind of additive could be added to the water to keep it from
freezing, but even the windshield washer fluid rated at -20°F freezes in
Chicago, before it ever gets that cold.

hhc...@yahoo.com

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Amen to that!

Harry C.

hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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Jan 11, 2009, 12:18:45 AM1/11/09
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On Jan 10, 10:08 pm, "Libby Loo" <gur...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:28c3b1b2-4b38-470c...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 12:58 pm, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
> >> >> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.
>
> >> Water powered cars will, of course, be banned because of the extreme
> >> flooding they will cause in thruway low spots.
>
> >> --
> >> Many thanks,
>
> >> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> >> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
> >> rss:http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xmlemail: d...@tinaja.com

>
> >> Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site athttp://www.tinaja.com
>
> > I'm just curious where all the water dripping from the exhaust of a
> > hydrogen powered vehicle will go?  Lets say you are driving in Chicago
> > in January and the temperature is 19F.
>
> There's no such thing as water in Chicago when the temperature is 19°F.
> Anyone who has ever tried to store drinking water in their car over a
> Chicago winter would tell you that it is a great undertaking. We have had
> discussions here in the group about storing water in vehicles.
>
> Maybe some kind of additive could be added to the water to keep it from
> freezing, but even the windshield washer fluid rated at -20°F freezes in
> Chicago, before it ever gets that cold.

Hydrogen cars emit water as a byproduct, and that water will freeze on
the streets.

Maybe the EPA will classify water as pollutant. We'll have the
biggest "brownfield" superfund cleaning up 70% of the earth's surface.

While I'm mulling that one over I recall seeing hazmat symbols for
nitrogen in transport. Looks like the EPA has a lot of atmospheric
components to reclassify as pollutants.

hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com

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So you're both.

Libby Loo

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<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The exhaust is water vapor, but in the video you can see that water was
required to produce the hydrogen. It was in a container under the hood. That
container of stored water would not make it through our winters. If it did,
the water would need to be melted before it could be used in the engine.
Definitely a seasonal issue in these parts.

knews4...@yahoo.com

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On Jan 9, 2:44 pm, gabydewilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 11:04 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:16 pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
>
> > > Tom Davidson
> > > Richmond, VA
>
> > and Vinegar.  You've got to use the correct proportions.
>
> Who cares about proportions?
>
> Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Centuryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4

>
> Upscaling! Thats what it's all about!

Isn't there something in the Bible about the Anti-Christ wearing a
"green headpiece?"
Doesn't a Dr. or surgeon wear a green scrub color head covering AND A
MASK?
Hmmmmmm......

knews4...@yahoo.com

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Jan 11, 2009, 1:21:44 AM1/11/09
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On Jan 10, 7:08 pm, "Libby Loo" <gur...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:28c3b1b2-4b38-470c...@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 12:58 pm, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
> >> >> <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.
>
> >> Water powered cars will, of course, be banned because of the extreme
> >> flooding they will cause in thruway low spots.
>
> >> --
> >> Many thanks,
>
> >> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
> >> Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
> >> rss:http://www.tinaja.com/whtnu.xmlemail: d...@tinaja.com

>
> >> Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site athttp://www.tinaja.com
>
> > I'm just curious where all the water dripping from the exhaust of a
> > hydrogen powered vehicle will go?  Lets say you are driving in Chicago
> > in January and the temperature is 19F.
>
> There's no such thing as water in Chicago when the temperature is 19°F.
> Anyone who has ever tried to store drinking water in their car over a
> Chicago winter would tell you that it is a great undertaking. We have had
> discussions here in the group about storing water in vehicles.
>
> Maybe some kind of additive could be added to the water to keep it from
> freezing, but even the windshield washer fluid rated at -20°F freezes in
> Chicago, before it ever gets that cold.

With Stan Meyer's "Polarization" process one can easily keep a tank of
water heated enough to keep it from freezing by continually
oscillating the water. This is the basis for his "Super Heated Steam
Generator."

knews4...@yahoo.com

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Jan 11, 2009, 1:24:23 AM1/11/09
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On Jan 9, 2:44 pm, gabydewilde <gdewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 11:04 pm, hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:16 pm, tadchem <tadc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
>
> > > Tom Davidson
> > > Richmond, VA
>
> > and Vinegar.  You've got to use the correct proportions.
>
> Who cares about proportions?
>
> Most Astonishing Health Disaster of the 20th Centuryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4
>
> Upscaling! Thats what it's all about!

Try:
www.notmilk.com
Cow puss is not fit for human consumption.

Curly Surmudgeon

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Jan 11, 2009, 2:34:48 AM1/11/09
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Send me a postcard.

tj Frazir

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Jan 11, 2009, 1:22:42 PM1/11/09
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Use steam not soda.
Steam power water rocket 6 cylinder will fire one cylinder per second .
650 psi 10 cubic inch per second injected into a cylinder full of water
3x40 inches with a 1.3 inch jet .

Thats better then anything else.
O² boost a pluss.

A 400 cubic inch steam engine will use 1200 cubic inch steam 650 psi per
second .
The steam water rocket will use 10 per ssecond wile the gas engine
diesel and steam engines all use about 1000 cubic inch per second .
ORR a jet ski 6 cylinder 600 pound thrust is at 6000 rpm FIRES 100
times per second per cylinder ....Fires 600 times per second and the
steam power water rocket will fire 1.

If 100 to 1 dont make evry ship engine look retarted !!
Its plain ratrarted to convert thrust to rotation with a piston and
crank then convert it back to thrust !! Its fucking stupid. The
engines in boats and ships are stupid .

G=EMC^2 Glazier

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Jan 11, 2009, 5:56:35 PM1/11/09
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tj (wild Cayote) Water powered police cars are called "Pissers"

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 11, 2009, 9:36:06 PM1/11/09
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How might I benefit from your technology ?
Can I get an engine like yours ?

Ben Newsam

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On 12 Jan 2009 02:36:06 GMT, Jeff▲Relf <Jeff...@Seattle.Test>
wrote:

>How might I benefit from your technology ?
>Can I get an engine like yours ?

<Rolls eyes> Here we go again...

gdewilde

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Jan 12, 2009, 1:09:01 PM1/12/09
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They never seem to run out of creative ways to kill people for money.
The only specialist who wanted to look at Kanzius work announced in
advance he was going to show why Kanzius was wrong. But, after
observing the facts he changed into something like: "I still have
trouble believing it even after seeing it" Amazingly gullible fool but
at least he didn't run away like most others would have. We have twice
the number of people living off cancer as people having it. And they
do quite well for themselves financially by understatement, driving up
the prices using waiting lists as if it was the housing sector. I find
it to be absolutely amazing how people accept that. Logic like: "we
have no other choice! We are all alone, all 6 billion of us!"

tj Frazir

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Jan 12, 2009, 7:18:17 PM1/12/09
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Ex-Im :: Loan Guarantee
Address:http://www.exim.gov/products/loan_guar.cfm Changed:7:13 PM on
Monday, January 12, 2009

Buyers Importers of wood chips,Trade Leads of wood chips,Exporters
Suppliers of wood chips
Address:http://www.gbonet.com/search/query.asp?txtsrch=wood%20chips&match=&country=&cid=&order=&pgno=6

oregon_driftwood.jpg
Address:http://www.drbeach.org/drbeach/oregon/pictures/oregon_driftwood.jpg
Changed:12:00 PM on Thursday, May 22, 2008

77,000 Acres of Rain Forest Land in Guatemala Guatemala
Address:http://www.worldrealtynews.com/relisting_90_2478.php
Changed:7:50 PM on Monday, January 12, 2009

tj Frazir

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Jan 12, 2009, 7:25:50 PM1/12/09
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role your eyes at this.
trade leads 50000 MT woodchips - Google Search
Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=trade+leads+50000+MT+woodchips

Just take the money .
$ 10 million wount hurt ya.
contract the boat loaded off the beach for 500,000 and thats $ 10 ton
bounty on driftwood logs off the beach .
But sell it at $ 150 MT .
You dont ever nead to get off your ass to make money.
In fact only people on thier asses make much

terryc

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:09:01 -0800, gdewilde wrote:


> They never seem to run out of creative ways to kill people for money.
> The only specialist who wanted to look at Kanzius

ref?, url?

> work announced in
> advance he was going to show why Kanzius was wrong. But, after observing
> the facts he changed into something like: "I still have trouble
> believing it even after seeing it" Amazingly gullible fool but at least
> he didn't run away like most others would have.

> We have twice the number of people living off cancer as people having
> it.

Lol, the sheep get real pissed when you point this out.

tj Frazir

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Jan 12, 2009, 9:57:54 PM1/12/09
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Make $ 140 bucks a ton $ 7 million a boat load and contract it all done
for 1/2 mil or $ 10 bounty on drift logs off the beach.

The buyer puts his money with em-bank ad em-bank lends you 85 %.

So buy dry milk in ukrane at $ 2100 MT and sell all fucking day at $
5000 MT and use EM bank garrentee.
BUY the fucking boat load an hour after you sold the fucker ,,you know
how much you made befor you did the deal and got paid .
How the fuck can ya go wrong ?

im at....9 fucking billion ..
anyone want a cruise ship ??

40,000 ton cruise ship for 10 mil ( classic ) or a roro cruise ship
ferry BIG one classic 1972 about 20,000 ton . 4 million

tj Frazir

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Jan 12, 2009, 10:09:31 PM1/12/09
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Dry milk Trade Leads 5000 MT sell - Google Search
Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Dry+milk+Trade+Leads+5000+MT+sell

Well you use the em banks money and buy the load after you sell it.
So shop for the high buyers and low sellers and make 50 cents a pound
or more.

its just too fucking simple.
70 million trade leads and no person can see them all ,,so any shopper
price shopping has the same chance .
12000 usa trade lead shoppers traders cant see all the trade leads.
your just fucking stupid out of fear over money.
dont let 10 million bucks profit scare ya .
it wount hurt.

tj Frazir

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Jan 12, 2009, 10:41:52 PM1/12/09
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FITA Buy/Sell Exchange International Trade Leads Import Export b2b
Marketplace
Address:http://fita.worldbid.com/tradeleads/view.htm?type=Buy&subcat=1149


well all you can do is hunt prices and colect quotes. Then show em bank
your profit on the one deal you want ..after all the buyer can secure
his money with the em bank.

its not fucking hard so fucking do it.
make 10 million use the em banks 10 million buck garentee like its your
own 10 million bucks to trade with because thats what it is.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 13, 2009, 1:35:00 AM1/13/09
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I don't do business that I don't understand,
especially not at the suggestion of an anonymous person.
Your engines make for good stories, I'll settle for that.

gdewilde

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Jan 13, 2009, 6:59:11 PM1/13/09
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But those doctors have to pay their gigantic energy bill and the fuel
for their gigantic boats and cars that all cost enormous amounts of
energy to manufacture also. You cant blame them for suppressing a bit
of cures, they only want to pay for the energy

Just look at it like some goofy cranky nutty hydrogen technology and
giggle about it?

You know like recessionfreude?

ha-ha look at you! *points finger*

> > They never seem to run out of creative ways to kill people for money.
> > The only specialist who wanted to look at Kanzius
>
> ref?, url?
>

Here is john burning salt water. (30sec)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FA9wiMkXwE&feature=channel_page#t=9m30s

http://www.kanziuscancerresearch.com/
"I am pleased to report we continue to make excellent progress in our
use of the Kanzius radiofrequency field device to treat human
cancers."

also,
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-ooVnzrU3eqXHKSdB2TQ.j3cMn.tCeQ--?cq=1&p=6816

words from Nicola Tesla
http://www.tesla.hu/tesla/articles/19400001.doc
He refers to darsonvalisation
http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/history/arsonval.html
"Dr. D'Arsonval
http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/history/arsonval.html
Brown-Séquard
http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/XVI/3/280
rife
http://sci.tech-archive.net/pdf/Archive/sci.med.diseases.lyme/2004-08
John Kanzius
http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/6/1/2
bob beck
http://robert-beck.go-here.nl
hulda clark
http://clark.pamrotella.com
bjorn nordstrom ref 8
http://www.zetatalk.com/health/theal20a.htm
And the videos
http://www.livescience.com/health/080205-virus-shattering.html
rife:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3807238317495330586
John Kanzius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkzCSNTYWXg
robert beck
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2095786730805958061
hulda clark
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-135125406106198814
and bjorn nordstrom
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8092825228034713610

Hours worth of infotainment.

want moar?

http://360.yahoo.com/search.html?q=kanzius&type=all&l=1&u=10&mx=22&lmt=10

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-ooVnzrU3eqXHKSdB2TQ.j3cMn.tCeQ--?tag=rife&list=1

knock yourself out.


tj Frazir

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Jan 13, 2009, 8:27:18 PM1/13/09
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Its simple to understand.
Use a 50,000 MT buyer in japan ( year ) at $ 150 MT for driftwood logs
off the beach.
Contract out for $ 10 ton to load the boat.
The logs are more then free the state paid $ 4 ton for you to take them
a few years ago.

id just take the diftwood for free ...
and use the 10 million garentee from em -bank.
You would qualifie as a green export.
Take the money jeff ,contract 50,000 ton in the hold for 500,000 and
sell the load for 7 million.

tj Frazir

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Jan 13, 2009, 8:41:18 PM1/13/09
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My engines are the best on earth.
A 6 cylinder ship engine without the pistons and crank , just 1 valve
out and a flap in each cylinder.
steam power water rocket.

10 cubic inch 650 psi steam per second injected into one stroke per
second 3 x 40 inch cyinder full of water with 1.5 inch jet.
700 pound thrust .
when
a 750cc 2 cycle jet ski 700 pound thrust is 10 cubic inch steam at 650
psi And thats 6000 rpm or 100 rp second X 4 cyclinders is 400 times
per second 400 x 50 cubic inch 400x50 is 20,000 cubic inch second at 1/8
is 2400 cubic inch steam per second.

A 400 cubi inch 1930 auto is at 2000 rpm steam 1200 cubic inch at 650
per second.


Converting thrust to rotation then back to thrust is the dumbest thing
ever invented.

Its just fuking stupid to see a diesel in a boat.
The steam engine in a boat is dumb .
they all are 5 % effective with a 95 % loss.

The water rocket dont convert the thrust into ratation and wont suffer
the losses.

tj Frazir

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Jan 13, 2009, 8:50:26 PM1/13/09
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You could use a nice boat.
Its got a garage and room for evryone.
fuck the turbine LOL..its left in as ballast.
clean it up for show and class it..
the eng room.

just think ,,100 to 1 !!!!

rip all the econemy class out for penthouse space. its seattle
waterfront .

Wasa Queen
Address:http://cruiseship.homestead.com/Wasa.html

tj Frazir

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Jan 13, 2009, 8:57:47 PM1/13/09
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The steam power water rocket dont have many parts.
a 4 cylinder at that.
1/100 th the fuel. and you cant bust it clog it cant blow it up cant
hurt it.
Wount ever nead to fix it.
It wount corrode it wount waist any energy.

Its the perfect ship engine and WAIT ,,,
I can fuel and o² boost the steam stroke.
yea i can pmax it.
2800 psi. 300 cu-in into a 10 foot tall x 40 inch tank with a 12 inch
jet.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 13, 2009, 9:42:23 PM1/13/09
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What happens when 300 cubic inches of water, at 2.8 kilo psi,
springs a leak ? What's the container made of ?

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 13, 2009, 9:54:08 PM1/13/09
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Re: The Wasa Queen:
CruiseShip.Homestead.COM/Wasa.HTML

Yea, those Chinese run a tight ship. My landlord is Chinese.
If the Wasa were mine, I wouldn't know what to do with it,
I couldn't afford to keep it.

Seattle waterfront is very political;
if you want to build there, you better have lots of lawyers.

gabydewilde

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On Jan 13, 3:57 am, GravityPhys...@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote:
> Make $ 140 bucks a ton $ 7 million a boat load and contract it all done
> for 1/2 mil or $ 10 bounty on drift logs off the beach.
>
> The buyer puts his money with em-bank ad em-bank lends you 85 %.
>
> So buy dry milk in ukrane at $ 2100 MT and sell all fucking day at $
> 5000 MT and use EM bank garrentee.
> BUY the fucking boat load an hour after you sold the fucker ,,you know
> how much you made befor you did the deal and got paid .
>  How the fuck can ya go wrong ?
>
> im at....9 fucking billion ..
> anyone want a cruise ship ??

Yeah, I could use one of those.

Will you buy one for me just for laughs?

We can fill it with homeless computer programmers and write a new
Operating system.

Sell 10 cent CD's for 200 USD/EUR must be good money.

Ask Jeff how long it will take.

> 40,000 ton cruise ship for 10 mil ( classic ) or a roro cruise ship
> ferry BIG one classic 1972 about 20,000 ton . 4 million

About your turbine.

http://www.rohnermachine.com/Files/JosefPappSubmarine.pdf

Good fun.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 13, 2009, 11:11:37 PM1/13/09
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It's not as simple as you make it sound,
especially not for someone like me.
I won't go blindly into some deal, following an anonymous man.

If I lost my job ( knock on wood ),
I'd look for 7 kiloDollar per year gig, not a 7 megaDollar windfall.

Failing that, I'd master the streets of Seattle,
packing as little as possible .. sleeping in a cardboard box,
spending a bit here and there, to dry my clothes.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 7:42:48 PM1/14/09
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its nickel steel about 2 inch thick.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 7:47:42 PM1/14/09
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its a nice boat.
In fact its not fixed up ,,its all 1970's.
I like the classics.

You could keep it easy because you can rent out allot of space.
Its allmost a waterfront ,,it can dock at the old ferry dock .
too bad its too big for union lake

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 7:51:27 PM1/14/09
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$ 7 million real real easy.contract the log colectors for 1/2 mil .
just fucking do it.

gabydewilde

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Jan 14, 2009, 8:07:58 PM1/14/09
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On Jan 15, 1:42 am, GravityPhys...@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote:
> its nickel steel about 2 inch thick.

We may wonder why it isn't a well known system.

How about sticking torpedoes in it?

Would that work?

lol

_____
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/factuurexpress

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 8:07:36 PM1/14/09
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This would be the one for seattle.
rotterdam
Address:http://cruiseship.homestead.com/rotterdam.html

its a great price but its steam trubine .

scrole down and see te inside

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 8:01:28 PM1/14/09
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Canatlan Durango Mexico Timber and Agland Available For Sale
Address:http://www.eaglestar.net/ism1-.html

What ys do jeff is use this and sell 10,000 ton of for $ 200 ton .
The buyer puts the money up with em-bank and you get 85 % from bank and
buy the forest .
Ill load 50,000 MT boats in russia all day long at $ 45 ton.
But Holland japan and lots of places dont or wount look there .
Just pick a forest and buy it ,,dont even count the logs because Ill
just show you russian trade leads backed by em-bank.
Just pick a forest or sell the logs off the beach.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 8:16:44 PM1/14/09
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princess
Address:http://cruiseship.homestead.com/princess.html
This is the best deal on the planet at the moment.
Its woodwork by thia to boot.
Its allot of woodwork and i am nutz about the peach woodwork artdeco .

Rent for 1st class at dock would be $ 1000 a month ? X 200 ? $
200.000 a month .
$ 10,000 a month for 48 months payment ??

fuck it ,,pay cash and yacht this.
its only 4 mil..

5 ml will buy the space tower in seattle.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 8:22:53 PM1/14/09
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Its 154 class cabins all 5 star.

id say $ 1000 a month each.
princess
Address:http://cruiseship.homestead.com/princess.html

Its allmost to nice to pass up.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 14, 2009, 10:52:06 PM1/14/09
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Everyone gets the engine they deserve, maybe T.J. deserves gigaMore.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 10:44:43 PM1/14/09
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Buy: Pine chip, Canada - Ontario Importers / Exporters - TradeBoss.com -
B2B Marketplace, Import Export, Business Portal, FREE Business Website
Address:http://www.tradeboss.com/default.cgi/action/viewtradeleads/tradeleadid/216754/subject/Pine_chip/

Buy: Wood Chip mixture of Aspen and Birch (harwood) to make
pulp..........., Netherlands - Noord-Holland Importers / Exporters -
TradeBoss.com - B2B Marketplace, Import Export, Business Portal, FREE
Business Website
Address:http://www.tradeboss.com/default.cgi/action/viewtradeleads/tradeleadid/168398/subject/Wood_Chip_mixture_of_Aspen_and_Birch_harwood_to_make_pulp_/


Holland and canada .

now jeff ,,you take the pic of the beach logs from me and show em-bank
the pic and a few buyers and the woodchip price is around $ 200 ton.
You dont nead the buyer first because it all export and the bank will
go 10 million if you ask for it .

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 10:50:37 PM1/14/09
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FSA of Bulk Carriers Fore-end Watertight Integrity
Address:http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:xKqZ0Wcq408J:www.iacs.org.uk/document/public/Publications/Other_technical/PDF/FSA_Bulk_Carrier_Annex_06_pdf430.PDF+cargo+nickel+sank+loss&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

cargo nickel.

seattle *****N ******W ..
$ 50,000 MT
3500 MT $ 175 million.
250 feet down .

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 10:56:18 PM1/14/09
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Ex-Im :: Loan Guarantee
Address:http://www.exim.gov/products/loan_guar.cfm Changed:10:51 PM on
Wednesday, January 14, 2009

You read evrything and you will see you can help the buyers finance
..and are qualified if you do what the garentee warnts.

Make what you do fit the garentee and boath forest and the beach logs
fit the requirements.

do it. be some body once.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 11:01:35 PM1/14/09
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oregon_driftwood.jpg
Address:http://www.drbeach.org/drbeach/oregon/pictures/oregon_driftwood.jpg
Changed:12:00 PM on Thursday, May 22, 2008

sell the logs off the beach .

No bark ,,its dry and easy pulp .

its 100 % export.
I just gave you 110,000 ton buyers.

Try $ 140 MT and that included shipping to thier dock. They cant say no
because its so fucking cheep.
Take 14 million fo boath 50 and 60 kmt

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 11:05:12 PM1/14/09
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Id ,,if was you..
do it.
I once sold 2000 ton teak $ 500 cu-m $ 1100 MT but had no forest .
But only 800 south pacific islands are inhabited out of 25000 so I
logged one fo free .
That was my first millon bucks

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 11:18:22 PM1/14/09
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Abandoned Vessel Inventory | NOAA's Ocean Service Office of Response and
Restoration
Address:http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/av_catalog.php

thats a catermaran on the beach free worth 1/4 million.
and a 80 footer worth 1/4 mil.

a few worth 50 grand .
a buch are worthless.

But anywhere seattle caifornia alabama all have free boats sitting
around

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 11:13:30 PM1/14/09
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You can buy 10,000 acres in on vancouver island for 10 million.
An ausome forest.

id not cut a tree off it but id sell 100,000 MT of logs .
"" 100,000 MT ponderosa pine logs vancouver island BC.
The buyers will pay top buck.
You send the ship to russia and load it for 45 bucks a ton and sell for
250 MT.
Vanouver island can sell the same forest 100 times and never cut down a
tree.

tj Frazir

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Jan 14, 2009, 11:29:33 PM1/14/09
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Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 15, 2009, 5:24:06 AM1/15/09
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I love your links ― all those ships, wrecks and cargo ― thanks.

I'm not worried about “ being somebody ”, as you put it;
why should I be ? I'm quite content.
I have some skills, but they're nothing like the ones you have.

How old were you when you made your first million
logging teak off that south pacific island ? what year ?
How did you finance the expedition ?

tj Frazir

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Jan 15, 2009, 10:18:05 AM1/15/09
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I told the buyer i was logging the beach for good logs . Better
hardwoods cheep.
I was out of the navy after 20 years service in mid 80s ,, i was about
37 .
I used 50 % up front and sold the load befor i got the $ 100,000 ship
.

tj Frazir

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Jan 15, 2009, 10:21:37 AM1/15/09
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The em-bank wount come out and count the trees . A contract is a
contract.
3 ways to finance it..
1 ,,use the byers money.
2 ,, show em bank the contract you want and use thier money.
3 .. get investors but id never incorpeate.

tj Frazir

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Jan 15, 2009, 10:32:33 AM1/15/09
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NOAA Ocean Explorer: Pewabic Side Scan Sonar Image
Address:http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/projects/thunderbay01/shipwrecks/media/pewabics.html
Changed:10:28 AM on Thursday, January 15, 2009

the easy way is with a small grab .

Like this 500 ton copper .
1000 ton nickel is better.
They said the got 1000s of pounds off of it.
But that was 100 years ago.
They dint get much of the 500 ton copper.

tj Frazir

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Jan 15, 2009, 2:29:32 PM1/15/09
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The ship has thick cylinders.
The auto just has 1/2 inch or a small boat .
No nead for pmax in a car or truck.
Dont even nead o2 boost in a car.
10 to 1 with slide vane rotor.
10 X your mpg .

But on the sea no rotor ,,no nead to convert thrust into rotation at
sea.

tj Frazir

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Jan 15, 2009, 1:32:16 PM1/15/09
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its not known at all because the gov protects the oil monopolys .
in fact if you file a patt that will hurt the oil co and put it out of
bizz they will just file it as a security risk and no one can ever see
it.
If thet dont work the cia kills ya.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 15, 2009, 11:41:44 PM1/15/09
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So you're a “ First Nation ” Alaskan|Canadian, with family in Ohio.
You joined the U.S. navy at age 17, around 1965.
Your first child, a son, was born around 1982.

Out of the Navy, around 1985, you headed an expedition to
a south pacific island, funded by a hardwood ( teak ) buyer;
thus making your first million.

How does John Fredriksen fit into this picture, or does he ?

gabydewilde

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Jan 16, 2009, 12:29:40 AM1/16/09
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Great, now all we need 1947 coders, 1950 laptops, 500 desktop PC's, a
wifi network, some servers, food, fuel and a lot of paint.

tj Frazir

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Jan 16, 2009, 12:44:07 AM1/16/09
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no I was in ohio 1 summer .
You should read the banks pages and look at the trade leads.
You can hunt for a reason for your self not to but you can die poor
soon too.
I know the act fuckface

tj Frazir

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Jan 16, 2009, 12:58:13 AM1/16/09
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jeff is like most of usa.
TOO stupid Too lazzy and wants some one else to handle the worlds
problems .
USA has become a nation of dumbasses and its now cool to be stupid.

fuck you jeff your not worth the time .
if you were anything more then a jackass you would at least have tryed
the em bank and ask them anything you would ask me.
but its just entertainment for jeff ,,so drop fucking dead dude ,,go
hang your self.
Go eat woodchips and shit thoothpicks.
I did it ,,lots of times ,,and your too fucking arogant and lazzy to
read te em banks pages.

tie a brick around your feet and jump.

tj Frazir

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Jan 16, 2009, 12:50:18 AM1/16/09
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Jeff seams to think the nife in my back was my falt.
It was just jeffs fear of money nothing else.
any stupid fucking dumbass can use the em bank and do it. find a
seller and buyer and sell a ship load an hour befor you buy it.

OK jeff ,,yo ask the fucking em bank what you can do because as far as
im concerned you cant be trusted and WILL stick a nife in the back of
anyone that helps you.
The nife in my back cost you a few million bucks .

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 16, 2009, 2:05:43 AM1/16/09
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You're calling me “ fuckface ” because I don't want to copy you ?
I couldn't copy you if I wanted to ― it's not as simple as you think.

I love my job and life, I deal with things as they come.
Women are nothing but over-hyped drama, I don't need it.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 16, 2009, 5:51:37 AM1/16/09
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I'm Loving life, T.J., not suffering.
What you do sounds simple but it's not.
I use my skills, you use yours, we're not the same.

The last time I needed a to find a job, 16 years ago,
I just posted a 3x5 card in the computer lab.
That was the last time I was in the market, looking for a “ buyer ”.

I like it like that, I really do.
People buy, beg and steal my cigarettes;
but I don't do a damn thing to promote that.

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 16, 2009, 6:00:14 AM1/16/09
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I'd never intentionally harm you in any way.
We haven't been understanding each other, it seems.
Never was I looking for a multi-million dollar windfall.

I like your engines, I like what you do with them.
You have a few options, you play your hand, so do I.

Edward Green

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Jan 16, 2009, 6:50:35 PM1/16/09
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On Jan 13, 8:41 pm, GravityPhys...@webtv.net (tj Frazir) wrote:
> My engines are the best on earth.
>  A 6 cylinder ship engine without the pistons and crank , just 1 valve
> out and a flap in each cylinder.
>  steam power water rocket.
>
> 10 cubic inch 650 psi steam per second injected into  one stroke per
> second 3 x 40 inch cyinder full of water  with 1.5 inch jet.
>  700 pound thrust .
> when
> a 750cc 2 cycle jet ski 700 pound thrust is 10 cubic inch steam at 650
> psi   And thats 6000 rpm or 100 rp second X 4 cyclinders is 400 times
> per second 400 x 50 cubic inch 400x50 is 20,000 cubic inch second at 1/8
> is 2400 cubic inch steam per second.
>
>  A 400 cubi inch 1930 auto is at 2000 rpm steam 1200 cubic inch at 650
> per second.
>
> Converting  thrust to rotation then back to thrust is the dumbest thing
> ever invented.
>
> Its just fuking stupid to see a diesel in a boat.
> The steam engine in a boat is dumb .
> they all are 5 % effective with a 95 % loss.
>
> The water rocket dont convert the thrust into ratation and wont suffer
> the losses.

You might have some nasty problems boiling seawater, though.

tj Frazir

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Jan 16, 2009, 7:48:17 PM1/16/09
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dont boil salt water.
The cylinder water dont even get hot its used for a few seconds wile the
steam pushes it out .

tj Frazir

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Jan 16, 2009, 7:51:02 PM1/16/09
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IC you never wanted to make any money you just want to waist time then
stab people in the back for trying to help your dumb ass
fuck you drop dead ,,go live on the street and suffer

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 18, 2009, 9:21:27 AM1/18/09
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“ fuck you drop dead ,,go live on the street and suffer ”.
you told me.

I'm still waiting for you to honor the promise you made Sep 3 2005:
Google.COM/groups?selm=19697-431...@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net

Where you said:
“ If yur clean jeff then 90 days at rehab island fiji should be easy .
It cost 2,500 USD a month,
I'll pay the bill and give you 50 grand if you complete it. ”.

tj Frazir

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Jan 18, 2009, 12:16:33 PM1/18/09
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fuck off.
Beg for a handout ?? You cant take the nife out of my back can you ?
In spite of that you still have a chance but you gota do the fucking
work.
Im not going to take TRADE money and hand it to you just because YOU
dont want ANY responcibilty .
YOUR argument WOUNT change your life
nor produce a thing.
YOU will do 1 trade OR die poor because OBOMA is going to kick evryone
off SS.
Entitalment reform means the end.
YOU best use the brain and pc wile you have them or it will be th end
of you.
Right now you think your safe so you wount do shit.
YOU stabb stabb and stabb ,,you cant be trusted and I dont give a
fuck.
YOU fucked your self out of a few million..
all you had to do is try and you could not fail because I was the seller
and buyer so how could you have failed ?

Jeff▲Relf

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Jan 18, 2009, 7:40:18 PM1/18/09
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Honestly, I don't know what you mean by “ knife in the back ”.
I'm a Windows Vista coder, I don't want to be a trader like you.
Not once did I ask for a stupid multi-million dollar windfall.

Your Sep 3, 2005 post★ promised me 90 days in Fiji
plus 50 grand after I completed the program.
My bags are packed and ready to go ― where's the ticket ?
★:
Google.COM/groups?selm=19697-431...@storefull-3214.bay.webtv.net

gabydewilde

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Jan 18, 2009, 8:17:26 PM1/18/09
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On Jan 19, 1:40 am, Jeff▲Relf <Jeff_R...@Seattle.Test> wrote:
>
> Not once did I ask for a stupid multi-million dollar windfall.
>

windfall: A sudden, unexpected piece of good fortune or personal gain.

> My bags are packed and ready to go -- where's the ticket ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3v0rJqyCTM

gabydewilde

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Jan 18, 2009, 8:40:13 PM1/18/09
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On Jan 10, 6:51 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:08:03 -0500, Buerste wrote:
> > <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:c98d286e-2d08-4b69-ae12-
>
> ed0a36171...@p36g2000prp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:56 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:23:31 +0000, Androcles wrote:
>
> >> > I wonder if they'll run on piss.
> >> > Maybe, but I thought chicken shit was all the rage.
>
> >> Only among chickenhawks.
>
> >> --
> >> Regards, Curly
>
> > The socialist- anarchists who voted for O'bama by proxy run their
> > vehicles on compressed water.  Hi, hi! *********************
>
> > I'll bet they don't have the right permits to handle compressed water.
>
> How about the conservatives, libertarians, authoritarians, and
> republicans who voted for Obama?
>
> Then there are those who vote for McCain/Palin.  They're going to hell.
>

I'll bet they don't have the right permits for that either.

But compressed water, lets play along with this game.

First see Green power science fresnel lens powered steam engine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGpbvvJA2I

A diffuser lens diffuses light. Turn it upside down and it accepts
light from all directions.[1][2] We don't have to aim the Fresnel lens
anymore, light from all angles is accepted and aimed at the target
appropriately.

Of course there are better ways to turn heat into energy than a steam
engine.[3][4] One can convert it to electricity or build a plasma
reactor[5][6] using exhaust heat to fracture water into oxyhydrogen
gas. A medium to store the heat isn't hard to engineer either.[7]

Sure, compared with solar paint[8] it is rather primitive but it works
non the less.

However, A peanut butter jar with some electrodes[9] is the cheapest
solution to increase mpg. The 10% gain without tricking the oxygen
sensor doesn't seem like a lot until you appreciate what kinda fuel a
moderate corporate fleet really drinks.

Mind you, you are going to run out of peanut butter anyway.


[1] - http://www.solatube.com
[2] - http://www.scrapbookscrapbook.com/DAC-ART/skylights-sky-lites.html
[3] - http://www.johnsonems.com/jhtec.html
[4] - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Johnson_Electro_Mechanical_Systems
[5] - http://knol.google.com/k/gaby-de-wilde/plasma-reactor/1yrf1mzjtxzk5/19
[6] - http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/articles/geet/geet.htm
[7] - http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/sensible-heat-storage-d_1217.html
[8] - http://google.com/group/sci.physics/t/0cd52a57ce38cdfb
[9] - http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Hydroxy%20Boosters.pdf

tj Frazir

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Jan 18, 2009, 10:49:07 PM1/18/09
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I wounder what he diid with the em-bank 10 million loan garentee ??
I worked to hard to get the fuckhead to try.
He best take the information and use it.
he wount get another try out of me.
He best bust his ass on the information .
HINT > you quit a few times.
Now what would convince me he wount quit ?

OR ,,a few post ago he was gong to try intimadations and crap ,,then a
nife.
I think you have the information or ignored the info ,,

Try to get me to post it again !!
Try to get me to waist my time on a fucktard jackass that WILL quit.
fucing die ,,go jump..eat shit..
yournot worth any more effort from me

tj Frazir

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Jan 18, 2009, 11:00:41 PM1/18/09
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4 times.
maybe more nifes in te back.
evry time you quit.

I cant fly you no place ,,im no fool you will just post it . I cant
send you money because youwill stab me in the back and post it.
YOU proved to seahawk you cant be trusted.
I cant send you a check with my name on it or you will post it.
You cant be trusted so I cant even give you a house.
thats a shame and 1/2 because you could have moved into a mansion in
seattle .
You could have waved to bill evry day.
BUT im not getting stabbed in the back again and you cant be trusted.

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