6th August 1945 when Japan suffered first Atomic explosion
fleesow
In the month of August in 1945 atomic explosions devastated Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, killing over 1,50,000 people.
The first atomic explosion was triggered on 6th August and second on
9th August 1945.
The followings are important aspects of formation and explosion of
Atomic Bomb.
(i) On 12 September 1932, when Leo Szilard (just seven months AFTER
discovery of Neutron, and six years BEFORE discovery of fission),
suggested the possibility of 'Chain Reaction ', in ENGLAND. But this
proposal was rejected by Ernest Rutherford immediately.
(ii) On 2 Septemebr 1939 , Hahn and Strassmann, the bombardment of
uranium with neutrons had split the uranium atom almost in half , and
huge amount of energy was liberated. Thus nuclear fission was
discovered, it was perceived by Slizard.
(iii) 2 August 1939, Einstein signed letter (prepared by Leo Szilard)
to American President Franklin Roosevelt about the possibility
formation of Atom Bomb. This letter was delivered to President
Roosevelt on 1 Sep 1939 and on 11th October 6000USD were sanctioned
to by graphite and uranium as proposed by Szilard.
(vi) This project was known as Manhattan project. It has mainly 13
scientists and Einstein was associated with formation of Atom Bomb
at all. The total expenditure on the project in six year was about 2
billion.
(vii) On 2 Dec. 1945 at 3.30 pm, American-Italian Enricho Fermi
started first sustained Chain Reaction in Chicago, USA. It was
perceived by Slizard long time back.
(vi) On July 16, 1945, this atomic explosion was tested by the US
administration in New Mexico. Many scientists appealed that this
weapon must not be used.
(vii) On 6th August 1945 American Bomber B52 dropped bomb at 11:02
local time and it exploded 500m in air in Hiroshima. This explosion
generated energy equivalent to 15-kiloton TNT explosion. The second
explosion took place on 9th August at Nagasaki.
These explosions killed more than 1, 50,000 people. It is so nice that
in past 62 there no such devastating incidence in world and hope it
will never happen AGAIN..
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fleesow
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> Ajay Sharma
If the information there is the same quality as the above, I'll pass.
How many is "1, 50,000" in base 10?
How did the B52 travel back in time to 1945?
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Jeff Wisnia
Uh, that was 1942, not 1952:
http://hep.uchicago.edu/cp1.html
>
> (vi) On July 16, 1945, this atomic explosion was tested by the US
> administration in New Mexico. Many scientists appealed that this
> weapon must not be used.
>
> (vii) On 6th August 1945 American Bomber B52 dropped bomb at 11:02
> local time and it exploded 500m in air in Hiroshima. This explosion
> generated energy equivalent to 15-kiloton TNT explosion. The second
> explosion took place on 9th August at Nagasaki.
>
> These explosions killed more than 1, 50,000 people. It is so nice that
> in past 62 there no such devastating incidence in world and hope it
> will never happen AGAIN..
WTF does 1, 50,000 mean? You used it TWICE?
>
> More information you may like to visit
> www.ajayonline.us
>
> Ajay Sharma
>
Jeff
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Uncle Al
>
> 6th August 1945 when Japan suffered first Atomic explosion
>
> In the month of August in 1945 atomic explosions devastated Hiroshima
> and Nagasaki, killing over 1,50,000 people.
150,000 Japs. BFD. Hiroshima fabricated the shallow draft
air-dropped torpedoes that killed Americans at Pearl Harbor. Curtis
LeMay's conventional firebombing campaign melted every major Japanese
city but six, killing millions. Nuking god-besotted belligerants was
a good idea then and it is still a good idea now,
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/nuked.jpg
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/soldiers.htm
To err is human, to forgive, divine. Neither one is Marine Corps
policy.
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
Benj
Uncle Al wrote:
>Nuking god-besotted belligerants was
> a good idea then and it is still a good idea now,
>
Oh Uncle Al! "god-besotted"!
I love it when you teach me new words! (Even if you can't spell
belligerents)
But methinks your cilice is just a bit too tight!
Igor
Cetainly a hell of a lot more people died in the firebombings of
Dresden, Hamburg, and Tokyo than died due to the atomic bombs, which
were fairly small. And since it was actually a B29, rather than a B52
(which weren't used until Korea), I have to wonder how many other of
your so-called facts have you gotten incorrect?
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
> Cetainly a hell of a lot more people died in the firebombings of
> Dresden, Hamburg, and Tokyo than died due to the atomic bombs, which
> were fairly small. And since it was actually a B29, rather than a B52
> (which weren't used until Korea), I have to wonder how many other of
> your so-called facts have you gotten incorrect?
The Korean war ended on July 27, 1953.
The first operational B52 was delivered to the Air Force on June 29, 1955.
Eric Gisse
> fleesow wrote:
>
> > 6th August 1945 when Japan suffered first Atomic explosion
>
> > In the month of August in 1945 atomic explosions devastated Hiroshima
> > and Nagasaki, killing over 1,50,000 people.
>
> [snip]
>
> 150,000 Japs. BFD. Hiroshima fabricated the shallow draft
> air-dropped torpedoes that killed Americans at Pearl Harbor. Curtis
> LeMay's conventional firebombing campaign melted every major Japanese
> city but six, killing millions. Nuking god-besotted belligerants was
> a good idea then and it is still a good idea now,
[...]
The six remaining cities were kept for nuking.
>
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/nuked.jpghttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/soldiers.htm
>
> To err is human, to forgive, divine. Neither one is Marine Corps
> policy.
>
> --
> Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
.-- .- -... -. .. --. @.-----.DOT.-- H. Wabnig
>
>Uncle Al wrote:
>>Nuking god-besotted belligerants was
>> a good idea then and it is still a good idea now,
>>
>> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/soldiers.htm
>
>Oh Uncle Al! "god-besotted"!
>I love it when you teach me new words! (Even if you can't spell
>belligerents)
>
belligerent rants = ranting belligerents = belligerants
Me likes such stuff. Language is music, make yourself resonant.
w.
Uncle Al
American English is an extraordinarly language - but it only works
well when the rules are known so a deviation can be appreciated as
device rather than derided as error. One despairs that English is not
taught and is rarely competently spoken. Few can think beyond their
conceptualizations. Ebonics is the right to protect confused angry
ignorance against achievement. Bilingualism is communication
compassionately fostered by format incompatibility.
The Japs did Pearl Harbor. The Japs got Hiroshima as major payback
and Nagasaki as interest on the debt. A very few undamaged cities
were reserved as future targets if and when. (Kyoto permanently
excluded because we were not swine.) Negotiations then proceeded.
The Muslims did the World Trade Center. The Muslims should have lost
Mecca and Medina. 100 million Middle East Muslims dead kills the
hatchery.
Boom boom boom. You may thereafter walk onto your plane wearing your
shoes, past row after row of crucified FAS/Homeland Severity
stormtroopers.
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bush1.jpg
Mentally-challenged Tinkerbelle
W88 warhead
475 kiloton load
5000 feet above ground detonation
hypocenter 21.42251816922858N, 39.82615385030178E.
15 psi blast total destruction, 1.2 miles radius
total thermal destruction, 4.8 mile radius
600+ rem radiation death, 1.1 miles radius
I know an engineer who helped fabricate the W88 stockpile. He doesn't
mind seeing some of his work destroyed. In fact, he's preceptibly
enthusiastic about field testing. "When you care to send the very
best."
Do it, have done with it, get back to creating civilization.
Eric Gisse
Why 5000 ft?
> hypocenter 21.42251816922858N, 39.82615385030178E.
> 15 psi blast total destruction, 1.2 miles radius
> total thermal destruction, 4.8 mile radius
> 600+ rem radiation death, 1.1 miles radius
That is barely better than Hiroshima. There weren't many [literally
less than a dozen] survivors who were closer than a mile.
[...]
The_Man
An "Air" blast causes maximum destruction.
For real nastiness, you explode the bomb at the surface. It sends huge
plumes of radioactive dirt particles into the air, thereby spreading
radioactivity as far as possible.
A terrorist nuke would likely be a ground burst.
>
> > hypocenter 21.42251816922858N, 39.82615385030178E.
> > 15 psi blast total destruction, 1.2 miles radius
> > total thermal destruction, 4.8 mile radius
> > 600+ rem radiation death, 1.1 miles radius
>
> That is barely better than Hiroshima. There weren't many [literally
> less than a dozen] survivors who were closer than a mile.
>
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The_Man
>
> > >Uncle Al wrote:
> > >>Nuking god-besotted belligerants was
> > >> a good idea then and it is still a good idea now,
>
> > >>http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/soldiers.htm
>
> > >Oh Uncle Al! "god-besotted"!
> > >I love it when you teach me new words! (Even if you can't spell
> > >belligerents)
>
> > belligerent rants = ranting belligerents = belligerants
>
> > Me likes such stuff. Language is music, make yourself resonant.
>
> American English is an extraordinarly language - but it only works
> well when the rules are known so a deviation can be appreciated as
> device rather than derided as error. One despairs that English is not
> taught and is rarely competently spoken. Few can think beyond their
> conceptualizations. Ebonics is the right to protect confused angry
> ignorance against achievement. Bilingualism is communication
> compassionately fostered by format incompatibility.
>
> The Japs did Pearl Harbor. The Japs got Hiroshima as major payback
> and Nagasaki as interest on the debt. A very few undamaged cities
> were reserved as future targets if and when. (Kyoto permanently
> excluded because we were not swine.) Negotiations then proceeded.
The only disadvantage of the nuke attacks - they weren't announced.
Most of then fire-bombed cities were told ahead of time - not out of
pity or "kindness", but to scare the living hell out of them, sap
morale, and demonstrate our greater strength
> The Muslims did the World Trade Center.
Twice - 1993 and 2001.
> The Muslims should have lost
> Mecca and Medina. 100 million Middle East Muslims dead kills the
> hatchery.
>
> Boom boom boom. You may thereafter walk onto your plane wearing your
> shoes, past row after row of crucified FAS/Homeland Severity
> stormtroopers.
>
> http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bush1.jpg
> Mentally-challenged Tinkerbelle
>
> W88 warhead
> 475 kiloton load
> 5000 feet above ground detonation
> hypocenter 21.42251816922858N, 39.82615385030178E.
> 15 psi blast total destruction, 1.2 miles radius
> total thermal destruction, 4.8 mile radius
> 600+ rem radiation death, 1.1 miles radius
>
> I know an engineer who helped fabricate the W88 stockpile. He doesn't
> mind seeing some of his work destroyed. In fact, he's preceptibly
> enthusiastic about field testing. "When you care to send the very
> best."
>
> Do it, have done with it, get back to creating civilization.
>
> --
> Uncle Alhttp://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2- Hide quoted text -
Eric Gisse
When the maximum destruction is comparable to a bomb whose yield is
around 3% of this one, something is up.
> For real nastiness, you explode the bomb at the surface. It sends huge
> plumes of radioactive dirt particles into the air, thereby spreading
> radioactivity as far as possible.
>
> A terrorist nuke would likely be a ground burst.
But the retaliatory strike against the nation which supplied the
fissile material would most likely be air bursts.
ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com
Everyone knew the firebombs would work.
There were a lot of doubts about the nukes.
It would not further the Allied cause to announce "We are going to
drop a big ass bomb on you" then have a fissle.
The_Man
Sad to say, probably not.
Even the very limited "retaliation" against the Taliban government of
Afghanistan was decried even before it began.
I saw protesters who complained of potential civilian casualties, and
that the entire project was a scam to get a oil pipeline. Then thee
was the fervent call to "stop" the war during the "holy" month of
Ramadan.
Iran has been #1 on the terrorist hit parade under both Republican and
Democratic administrations and Congresses, yet nothing stronger than
weak economic sanctions are used as Iran is racing towards its own
bomb.
So we would retaliate with a nuke, if we could 100% sure that no
"innocnet civilians" would be nearby (or conventiently planted), if we
cold 100% sure exactly who gave the material, if we could be 100% sure
that the UN would authroize the action, if we could be 100% sure that
we would not "inflame the passions" of "moderate, peace-loving"
"moderate" Muslims throughout the world, if, if, if......
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > hypocenter 21.42251816922858N, 39.82615385030178E.
> > > > 15 psi blast total destruction, 1.2 miles radius
> > > > total thermal destruction, 4.8 mile radius
> > > > 600+ rem radiation death, 1.1 miles radius
>
> > > That is barely better than Hiroshima. There weren't many [literally
> > > less than a dozen] survivors who were closer than a mile.
>
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Eric Gisse
The word "Tet" comes to mind.
>
> Iran has been #1 on the terrorist hit parade under both Republican and
> Democratic administrations and Congresses, yet nothing stronger than
> weak economic sanctions are used as Iran is racing towards its own
> bomb.
Or we could simply not fuck with them and encourage change from
within. No, I do not mean via the CIA, but through the active
democratic movements.
Instead, we do...um...everything we have done in the last 6 years.
Axis of evil? Crusade? I swear to god, why the hell was Bush even
chosen for the republican nomination in 99?
>
> So we would retaliate with a nuke, if we could 100% sure that no
> "innocnet civilians" would be nearby (or conventiently planted), if we
> cold 100% sure exactly who gave the material, if we could be 100% sure
> that the UN would authroize the action, if we could be 100% sure that
> we would not "inflame the passions" of "moderate, peace-loving"
> "moderate" Muslims throughout the world, if, if, if......
"A" nuke? I'd advocate using a significant fraction of the arsenal.
The Soviets were kept in check because whackjobs like LeMay and
MacArthur were around - if the Soviets launched anything, we would
send over everything we had. These days... if a nuke went off on
American soil with chimpy in power, who the fuck knows what would
happen. I'm willing to bet something approaching "nothing".
His idea of retaliation for 9/11 is going after Afghanistan which was
a proxy-at-best. We already knew the Taliban were bad guys, but we
didn't do shit until it came back home. We trained the mujahadeen to
fight the Soviets. Isn't blowback nice?
Then we go after Iraq which was no threat to us, while states with a)
unfriendly governments and b) HONEST nuclear ambitions were otherwise
ignored until it was too late. Case(s) in point: North Korea had a
successful nuclear test, and Iran is [or should be] going at flank
speed after what happened to Iraq. We are still paying Pakistan ~1
billion USD/year to find Bin Laden. I wonder how that hunt is going...
I still think a city or two in Saudi Arabia needs to be turned to
glass, or otherwise flattened for 9/11. A weak response makes us look
weak, and shit, we are weak at this point. We can barely sustain this
expedition into Iraq.
Instead of retaliation we kiss their ass and sell them weapons. What
the fuck!? This country has been neutered.
The_Man
Yet the Bush administration (and the Democraticc Congress) don't give
the democratic opposition any funding at all.
>
> Instead, we do...um...everything we have done in the last 6 years.
> Axis of evil? Crusade? I swear to god, why the hell was Bush even
> chosen for the republican nomination in 99?
??????
>
>
>
> > So we would retaliate with a nuke, if we could 100% sure that no
> > "innocnet civilians" would be nearby (or conventiently planted), if we
> > cold 100% sure exactly who gave the material, if we could be 100% sure
> > that the UN would authroize the action, if we could be 100% sure that
> > we would not "inflame the passions" of "moderate, peace-loving"
> > "moderate" Muslims throughout the world, if, if, if......
>
> "A" nuke? I'd advocate using a significant fraction of the arsenal.
> The Soviets were kept in check because whackjobs like LeMay and
> MacArthur were around - if the Soviets launched anything, we would
> send over everything we had. These days... if a nuke went off on
> American soil with chimpy in power, who the fuck knows what would
> happen. I'm willing to bet something approaching "nothing".
There is a line in the movie the Untouchables:
"One of his guys pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of your
guys to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."
>
> His idea of retaliation for 9/11 is going after Afghanistan which was
> a proxy-at-best. We already knew the Taliban were bad guys, but we
> didn't do shit until it came back home. We trained the mujahadeen to
> fight the Soviets. Isn't blowback nice?
>
> Then we go after Iraq which was no threat to us, while states with a)
> unfriendly governments and b) HONEST nuclear ambitions were otherwise
> ignored until it was too late.
Mild quibble. The best information available for 10 years, under both
the Clinton and Bush administrations, believed that Saddam had an
active nuclear program. The fact that they were wrong will be used in
the future to undermine ANY American military activity, no matter how
necessary or justified.
Of course, the "intelligence" information was pathetic.
> Case(s) in point: North Korea had a
> successful nuclear test, and Iran is [or should be] going at flank
> speed after what happened to Iraq. We are still paying Pakistan ~1
> billion USD/year to find Bin Laden. I wonder how that hunt is going...
N. Korea.. We have 50,000 troops very close to the Korean border, that
are within range of NKA artillery. They should have been withdrawn
("redeployed") years ago. We have almost no leverage even with the S.
Koreans, whose permission we would need to strike. They hate us, but
they cry like a stuck pig when we suggest they take over their own
security. Just like in Germany. We have tens of thousands of troops
there, to protect Germany from an invasion by Austria, I guess.
Pakistan is as good as we can do. Redeploying troops from Iraq to
Pakistan would have absolutely no benefit.
>
> I still think a city or two in Saudi Arabia needs to be turned to
> glass, or otherwise flattened for 9/11. A weak response makes us look
> weak, and shit, we are weak at this point. We can barely sustain this
> expedition into Iraq.
I agree.
We are in a "War on Terror", yet the armed forces have 1.2 million
troops. Under Reagan, there were 2.1 million troops. Yet no one has
talked about increasing the size of the army yo help cope with all the
nanny jobs it is called to do.
>
> Instead of retaliation we kiss their ass and sell them weapons. What
> the fuck!? This country has been neutered.- Hide quoted text -
Eric Gisse
[...]
> Yet the Bush administration (and the Democraticc Congress) don't give
> the democratic opposition any funding at all.
We are on the "stick" half of "carrot and stick". We never quite tried
"carrot".
>
> > Instead, we do...um...everything we have done in the last 6 years.
> > Axis of evil? Crusade? I swear to god, why the hell was Bush even
> > chosen for the republican nomination in 99?
>
> ??????
I'm referring to Bush's hilarious-to-those-who-know-anything
references to Iran/Iraq/N.Korea as the "Axis of Evil", as well as his
even MORE hilarious reference to our fucking around in the sandbox as
a "crusade".
I swear, having a overtly Christian man refer to an American military
action as a "crusade" is high order stupid. I wish someone just took
him aside and explained some shit.
[...]
> Mild quibble. The best information available for 10 years, under both
> the Clinton and Bush administrations, believed that Saddam had an
> active nuclear program. The fact that they were wrong will be used in
> the future to undermine ANY American military activity, no matter how
> necessary or justified.
>
> Of course, the "intelligence" information was pathetic.
I have no idea what Bush 1/Clinton knew about his nuclear ambitions.
I'm more familiar with the recent history.
That he _had_ the ambitions was true. He had a reactor built, but the
Israelis took care of that rather neatly. But that was in the 80's. He
never rebuilt the reactor. Iran, however, learned from Iraq and built/
is building much of their production facilities underground.
As far as Iraq and nuclear shit goes, that is the end of it as far as
I know until 2002/3 when the yellowcake/aluminum tubing debacle
arrived. The intelligence was falsified in the most blatant of
fashions, but it was believed anyway. It is interesting to hear what
happened to Joe Wilson who attempted to investigate the validity of
the claims...
It all pales in comparison to North Korea and Iran. North Korea HAS
nuclear weapons now. Iran doesn't but if they have any sense of self
preservation at all they WILL get them. We attacked the nation least
likely to create nuclear weapons - they didn't have the fissile
material, technical knowhow, or industrial capacity to build a bomb.
On the other hand, we did sell reactors to North Korea and gave Iran
the trigger designs. The trigger design fiasco makes me laugh...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1678220,00.html
>
> > Case(s) in point: North Korea had a
> > successful nuclear test, and Iran is [or should be] going at flank
> > speed after what happened to Iraq. We are still paying Pakistan ~1
> > billion USD/year to find Bin Laden. I wonder how that hunt is going...
>
> N. Korea.. We have 50,000 troops very close to the Korean border, that
> are within range of NKA artillery. They should have been withdrawn
> ("redeployed") years ago. We have almost no leverage even with the S.
> Koreans, whose permission we would need to strike. They hate us, but
> they cry like a stuck pig when we suggest they take over their own
> security. Just like in Germany. We have tens of thousands of troops
> there, to protect Germany from an invasion by Austria, I guess.
>
> Pakistan is as good as we can do. Redeploying troops from Iraq to
> Pakistan would have absolutely no benefit.
We like our German presence because of the strategic importance of the
airbases.
>
>
>
> > I still think a city or two in Saudi Arabia needs to be turned to
> > glass, or otherwise flattened for 9/11. A weak response makes us look
> > weak, and shit, we are weak at this point. We can barely sustain this
> > expedition into Iraq.
>
> I agree.
> We are in a "War on Terror", yet the armed forces have 1.2 million
> troops. Under Reagan, there were 2.1 million troops. Yet no one has
> talked about increasing the size of the army yo help cope with all the
> nanny jobs it is called to do.
Folks seem to not grasp that the US military isn't a peacekeeping
force.
One might say "Hey, what about the UN?", then one would pause, think
for a second, and make an important realization.
Uncle Al
Optimum height for combined blast (including Mach stem wave), heat,
and radiation effects. There are nice calculators on-line. In
general, optimum ground height scales as the cube root of yield for a
given weapon's effect. Over a megatonne air burst is increasingly
wasted. The overlaid air cap blows into space, reducing blast
confinement. A brace of smaller warheads is much more effective than
one big one. Miniature atomic clocks seem to have solved the problem
of fratricide from non-simultaneous clsuter detonations.
> > hypocenter 21.42251816922858N, 39.82615385030178E.
> > 15 psi blast total destruction, 1.2 miles radius
> > total thermal destruction, 4.8 mile radius
> > 600+ rem radiation death, 1.1 miles radius
>
> That is barely better than Hiroshima. There weren't many [literally
> less than a dozen] survivors who were closer than a mile.
>
> [...]
http://members.cox.net/xemist/kaaba1.jpg
It's much better than Hiroshima where it matters.
Tallying body counts is for another day. Mecca and Medina are
political statements.
hanson
news:1186102657....@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> The_ homo_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Eric
>> > Instead, we do...um...everything we have done in the last 6 years.
>> > Axis of evil? Crusade? I swear to god, why the hell was Bush even
>> > chosen for the republican nomination in 99?
>>
[homo]
>> ??????
>
[hanson]
That was clear to everybody when GW declared during one
debate that Jesus Christ was the greatest philosopher.
Eric, the neo-con faction (1) (Zionist Jews: Pearle, Wolfowitz,
the Wurmsers etc) in the republication party needed a gullible
mooch to press their agenda to avenge Saddam's action
who had lobbed some missiles into Israel during his daddy's
1991 DS war. Obviously, the GW Bush selection was welcome
by the (2) bible beating evangelists who wanted to hasten
the Second Coming of JC and cleverly behind them lurked the
Cheney (3) oilboys... So, with 3 powerful factions behind him
Bush did the democratic thing and followed their advice....
ahahaha.... More here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650?hl=en&
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
The_Man
> On Aug 2, 4:27 pm, The_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Yet the Bush administration (and the Democraticc Congress) don't give
> > the democratic opposition any funding at all.
>
> We are on the "stick" half of "carrot and stick". We never quite tried
> "carrot".
>
>
>
> > > Instead, we do...um...everything we have done in the last 6 years.
> > > Axis of evil? Crusade? I swear to god, why the hell was Bush even
> > > chosen for the republican nomination in 99?
>
> > ??????
>
> I'm referring to Bush's hilarious-to-those-who-know-anything
> references to Iran/Iraq/N.Korea as the "Axis of Evil", as well as his
> even MORE hilarious reference to our fucking around in the sandbox as
> a "crusade".
Sorry. I put the "???" to mean that I don't know why they picked him,
either.
>
> I swear, having a overtly Christian man refer to an American military
> action as a "crusade" is high order stupid. I wish someone just took
> him aside and explained some shit.
>
> [...]
>
> > Mild quibble. The best information available for 10 years, under both
> > the Clinton and Bush administrations, believed that Saddam had an
> > active nuclear program. The fact that they were wrong will be used in
> > the future to undermine ANY American military activity, no matter how
> > necessary or justified.
>
> > Of course, the "intelligence" information was pathetic.
>
> I have no idea what Bush 1/Clinton knew about his nuclear ambitions.
> I'm more familiar with the recent history.
As late as 2002, Al Gore (Clinton's Veep) considered Iraq to be a
serious threat. In 1998, Clinton launched a several day attack on
potential Iraqi sites (Operation Desert Fox). Clinton's own
intelligence people told him that the strikes were ineffective.
Current opinion is that the strikes were probably VERY effective,
thereby eliminating the threat. This might account for why no WMD's
were found.
>
> That he _had_ the ambitions was true. He had a reactor built, but the
> Israelis took care of that rather neatly. But that was in the 80's. He
> never rebuilt the reactor. Iran, however, learned from Iraq and built/
> is building much of their production facilities underground.
>
> As far as Iraq and nuclear shit goes, that is the end of it as far as
> I know until 2002/3 when the yellowcake/aluminum tubing debacle
> arrived. The intelligence was falsified in the most blatant of
> fashions, but it was believed anyway. It is interesting to hear what
> happened to Joe Wilson who attempted to investigate the validity of
> the claims...
Hmmm. Joe Wilson claimed that he was sent "personally" by Dick Cheney.
So the obvious question: Why would Dick Cheney send someone like Joe
Wilson, who knew nothing about miltary matters or Niger, to Niger,
when Wilson was already firmly against the Bush policies?
Answer: His wife worked for the CIA. Of all the experts in the world,
she suggested "Joe Wilson" as an "expert" to her bosses. She kind of
left out the small matter of Joe Wilson being Mr. Valerie Plame. Joe
Wilson knew what answer he was going to give before he left. He met
with no one other than official representatives of the Niger
government. Niger has 2 products - chick peas and yellow cake. Wilson
concluded that Saddam had a serious hankering for chickpeas :-)
>
> It all pales in comparison to North Korea and Iran. North Korea HAS
> nuclear weapons now. Iran doesn't but if they have any sense of self
> preservation at all they WILL get them.
North Korea hardly needs nuclear weapons for self-defense. There was
alway ZERO chance of an attack on the North. Look at a map, and see
how close Seoul is to the frontier.
When it was suggested that US troops be redeployed further from the
border, there was a firestorm of controversy. So they sit within range
of the NKA 152's
> We attacked the nation least
> likely to create nuclear weapons - they didn't have the fissile
> material, technical knowhow, or industrial capacity to build a bomb.
> On the other hand, we did sell reactors to North Korea and gave Iran
> the trigger designs. The trigger design fiasco makes me laugh...
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1678220,00.html
Guardian is one of the least credible news sources. If you could find
that story confirmed in a more reputable newspaper, that would be more
encouraging.
It is more likely that much of the programs in Iran and North Korea
came from A. Q. Khan (i.e., Pakistan). Both Iran and North Korea got
their ballistic missile technology from China.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Case(s) in point: North Korea had a
> > > successful nuclear test, and Iran is [or should be] going at flank
> > > speed after what happened to Iraq. We are still paying Pakistan ~1
> > > billion USD/year to find Bin Laden. I wonder how that hunt is going...
>
> > N. Korea.. We have 50,000 troops very close to the Korean border, that
> > are within range of NKA artillery. They should have been withdrawn
> > ("redeployed") years ago. We have almost no leverage even with the S.
> > Koreans, whose permission we would need to strike. They hate us, but
> > they cry like a stuck pig when we suggest they take over their own
> > security. Just like in Germany. We have tens of thousands of troops
> > there, to protect Germany from an invasion by Austria, I guess.
>
> > Pakistan is as good as we can do. Redeploying troops from Iraq to
> > Pakistan would have absolutely no benefit.
>
> We like our German presence because of the strategic importance of the
> airbases.
The airbases in German have no military value at all. They are there
so that 50,000 GI's can support the German economy. When the Bush
administration stated that WWII ended 62 years ago, and the Cold War
16 years ago, most of Congress accused him of "undermining the
security of Europe". This is despite the fact that the per capita
expenditure on military is about 3 times higher in the US than in
Europe.
>
>
>
> > > I still think a city or two in Saudi Arabia needs to be turned to
> > > glass, or otherwise flattened for 9/11. A weak response makes us look
> > > weak, and shit, we are weak at this point. We can barely sustain this
> > > expedition into Iraq.
>
> > I agree.
> > We are in a "War on Terror", yet the armed forces have 1.2 million
> > troops. Under Reagan, there were 2.1 million troops. Yet no one has
> > talked about increasing the size of the army yo help cope with all the
> > nanny jobs it is called to do.
>
> Folks seem to not grasp that the US military isn't a peacekeeping
> force.
>
> One might say "Hey, what about the UN?", then one would pause, think
> for a second, and make an important realization.
Yet any military action that is not approved by the UN is deemed
"illegal" by much of the population. Only 2 wars in the history of the
US were approved by the UN- Korea and Gulf I. The Clinton intervention
in Kosovo was never even submitted for approval (since Russia and
China would have vetoed it in a second).
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> > > Instead of retaliation we kiss their ass and sell them weapons. What
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Benj
H. Wabnig wrote:
>
> belligerent rants = ranting belligerents = belligerants
Ah So!
> Me likes such stuff. Language is music, make yourself resonant.
Me Too!
Maybe I DO want to have Uncle Al's love child after all...
The_Man
> "Eric Gisse" <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186102657....@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The_ homo_Man <me_so_hornee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Eric>> > Instead, we do...um...everything we have done in the last 6 years.
> >> > Axis of evil? Crusade? I swear to god, why the hell was Bush even
> >> > chosen for the republican nomination in 99?
>
> [homo]
> >> ??????
>
> [hanson]
> That was clear to everybody when GW declared during one
> debate that Jesus Christ was the greatest philosopher.
No, he said that JC was his FAVORITE philosopher (which is bad
enough).
Compare this to John Kerry's answer as to Kerry's favorite book in the
New Testament - Job (which, of course, is in the OLd Testament)
> Eric, the neo-con faction (1) (Zionist Jews: Pearle, Wolfowitz,
> the Wurmsers etc) in the republication party needed a gullible
> mooch to press their agenda to avenge Saddam's action
> who had lobbed some missiles into Israel during his daddy's
> 1991 DS war. Obviously, the GW Bush selection was welcome
> by the (2) bible beating evangelists who wanted to hasten
> the Second Coming of JC and cleverly behind them lurked the
Watch TV sometime, and look at the audiences of the tele-evangelists.
Many of the people you see (African-Americans) vote Democratic. HRC is
bending over backwards to appear "religious" and "Chrisitian". Half of
Obama's speeches are in churches.
Uncle Al
Uncle Al was a professional sperm donor. The future has been amply
seeded with its salvation. Nothing will come of it. Rather than
foster brilliance, we allocate for its suppression. A nation of
genetic, developmental, and behavioral trash; reproductive warriors,
religious hind gut fermenters, drug addicts, Enviro-whiner Luddites;
the stupid, the pathetic, and the Officially Sad will arrive at its
inevitable end.
The Bush the Lesser Doctrine, domestic and foreign: If massive
stupidity got us into this, why can't more stupidity get us out?
hanson
"Uncle rect-Al's" weekened rant <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> in his
sermon in: news:46B342D3...@hate.spam.net...
> Uncle Al was a professional sperm donor. The future has
> been amply seeded with its salvation. Nothing will come of it.
>
[hanson]
So, nothing came if it, Al, ... hmm... ahahahaha... But at least
Al, console yourself with your apparently fading memory when
your jerk-off assistants gave you an ovation and applause for
your 6 milliliters that you bragged about...
Literally, Al... **EASY CUM --- EASY GO**
>
Forty bucks a shot, you said... That's Big Time money, Al!...
Beat off a dozen more times and you'll have your $500.-- to
finance & pay for your Einstein smashing Benzil experiment.
ahahaha... AHAHAHA....
>
google.groups --[ author:Uncl...@hate.spam.net sperm donor ]--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.astro/msg/a9032f0cf2a16e89?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c2941dd0ccf73b4?hl=en&
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/mitzvah.htm .
>
[Al]
> Rather than foster brilliance, we allocate for its suppression.
> A nation of genetic, developmental, and behavioral trash;
> reproductive warriors, religious hind gut fermenters, drug addicts,
> Enviro-whiner Luddites; the stupid, the pathetic, and the
> Officially Sad will arrive at its inevitable end.
> The Bush the Lesser Doctrine, domestic and foreign: If massive
> stupidity got us into this, why can't more stupidity get us out?
>
[hanson]
That stupidity appears to come to an end since the Jews have
had their 2 generations of glory and now follow the classic path
of "from rags to riches to rags in 3 generations". Sorry about
that observation, all you yidds, but I didn't make this world.
Your descent into Al's predicted future is purely self-made.
>
Al, at least you seem to have first loyalty to our USA, not like
most kikes with their dual loyalty whose first allegiance goes
to Israel... which as cost us, besides blood & lives, each year
some 3-7 Billion dollars ... for the last 60 years....
Who need friends like that when Jews have given us enemies
all over the world.
>
Settlers:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e1842edc4f
>
Neo-cons
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e5bffaea692a1650?hl=en
>
Bush and Lieberman
http://www.uncorrelated.com/images/DailyKos01.jpg
>
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
David Winsemius
@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> (ii) On 2 Septemebr 1939 , Hahn and Strassmann, the bombardment of
> uranium with neutrons had split the uranium atom almost in half , and
> huge amount of energy was liberated. Thus nuclear fission was
> discovered, it was perceived by Slizard.
Nuclear fission had been demonstrated decades before Hahn and
Strassmann's work (and we should not forget Lise Meitner). Radioactivity
of uranium had been described by Bequerel, and its explanation as fission
offered by Rutherford and Shoddy in 1902.
Hahn and Strassman discovered that among the fission products of U-235
was barium. That was the big surprise. The amount of energy liberated was
not one of their discoveries, since they made no attempt at that sort of
measurement, but such could be calculated on the basis of prior knowledge
of atomic weights and special relativity.
"Perceived" would be an odd word to use for Slizard's prediction, which
was not for nuclear fission anyway, but rather of sustained neutron chain
reaction.
> (iii) 2 August 1939, Einstein signed letter (prepared by Leo Szilard)
> to American President Franklin Roosevelt about the possibility
> formation of Atom Bomb. This letter was delivered to President
> Roosevelt on 1 Sep 1939 and on 11th October 6000USD were sanctioned
> to by graphite and uranium as proposed by Szilard.
What happened to iv)?
> (vi) This project was known as Manhattan project. It has mainly 13
> scientists and Einstein was associated with formation of Atom Bomb
> at all. The total expenditure on the project in six year was about 2
> billion.
The notion that there were "mainly 13 scientists" in the Manhattan
project is monumentally ridiculous.
> (vii) On 2 Dec. 1945 at 3.30 pm, American-Italian Enricho Fermi
> started first sustained Chain Reaction in Chicago, USA.
I count at least four further errors in that sentence. Can anyone find
more?
--
David Winsemius
a) year was 1942.
b) Fermi was not a US citizen at the time.
c) his first name was Enrico
d) was not the "first sustained chain reaction" ... consider stars (or
even fire for that matter).
e) was not even the first sustained fission reaction on planet Earth.
f) he was not the one pulling out the control rods.
The_Man
Your point is well taken.
Also, the nukes cost 2 billion dollars (back then , when a dollar was
worth something!), and there was the risk of interception by fighters/
flak/etc.
I was speaking hypothetically.
Now, there is no risk of such a problem (with ICBM's). There is quite
the ability to announce "At 2100 hours, Tehran will cease to exist".
If carried out, there would be far less back-talk from other
nations :-)
>
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> Jim Pennino
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David Winsemius
news:Xns9983887C2...@216.196.97.136:
> fleesow <fle...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1186099781.997422.314280
> @i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> (ii) On 2 Septemebr 1939 , Hahn and Strassmann, the bombardment of
>> uranium with neutrons had split the uranium atom almost in half , and
>> huge amount of energy was liberated. Thus nuclear fission was
>> discovered, it was perceived by Slizard.
snip
>
> "Perceived" would be an odd word to use for Slizard's prediction,
> which was not for nuclear fission anyway, but rather of sustained
> neutron chain reaction.
What's that Law of Newsposting that says any posting with a criticism of
spelling will have at least one misspelling? It was Szilard. I new that.
snip
>> .... American-Italian Enricho Fermi ...
> c) his first name was Enrico
--
David Winsemius
Uncle Al
[snip]
> (vii) On 6th August 1945 American Bomber B52 dropped bomb at 11:02
> local time
Enola Gay B-29 SuperFortress, B-2945-MO 44-86292 manufactured by
Martin Omaha, commanded by Colonel Paul W. Tibbets.
http://www.theenolagay.com/plane.html
<http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/boeing_b29.htm>
"Here we fight, here they die." Contrast this military doctrine with
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bush1.jpg
hanson
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:46B6281C...@hate.spam.net...
fleesow wrote:
(vii) On 6th August 1945 American Bomber B52 dropped
bomb at 11:02 local time
>
Enola Gay B-29 SuperFortress,
B-2945-MO 44-86292 manufactured by Martin Omaha,
commanded by Colonel Paul W. Tibbets.
>
"Enola Gay", allegedly Tibbets mother's name. ... But
"enola g.a.y." <- = -> "you are going alone" ... so it was
planned and so it was named and so it was executed.
>
[Al]
http://www.theenolagay.com/plane.html
<http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/boeing_b29.htm>
>
"Here we fight, here they die." Contrast this military doctrine with
>
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/bush1.jpg
>
Contrast this with rect-Al's loudmouth doctrine conceived
in his hydrocephalous... (Uncle Al's picture on his own blog)
>
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/uncleal.jpg
> --
Thanks for the laughs, Schwartz... ahahaha... ahahanson