Time math

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

it slows finite but it cannot stop...
Jumping from finite rate to infinite slow time
is something time math does not do....
It is standard calculus finite math
that can't jump to the infinite.

Counting finite you would wait forever
never reaching the infinite.

Mitchell Raemsch

[Jim Pennino]

Babbling, idiotic, incoherent, word salad, moron gibberish.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

Space is for time. It expands forever. It never contracts...

[Jim Pennino]

Yet more babbling, idiotic, incoherent, word salad, moron gibberish.

[Timothy Golden]

Mon 04 Sep 2023 12:34:49 PM EDTOn Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 7:01:09 PM UTC-4, Jim Pennino wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 10:31:10 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > it slows finite but it cannot stop...
> >> > Jumping from finite rate to infinite slow time
> >> > is something time math does not do....
> >> > It is standard calculus finite math
> >> > that can't jump to the infinite.
> >> >
> >> > Counting finite you would wait forever
> >> > never reaching the infinite.
> >> Babbling, idiotic, incoherent, word salad, moron gibberish.
> >
> > Space is for time. It expands forever. It never contracts...
> Yet more babbling, idiotic, incoherent, word salad, moron gibberish.

As usual, Mitch has a kernel of truth in his awareness. If only he could get out and expound a bit more. Well, I will readily do that for him here.
In that time may be truly continuous, then within a segment of time may lay sufficient time for rather a lot to occur. Even adopting the constancy of the speed of light as a limit, this would merely suggest that the distance scale of such fine operations goes finer with finer time. If then, at a scale of distance larger than these fine scale activities, one attempts an observation, this may not be possible other than at some gross level of detail which is commensurate with that physical dimension, at its time scale. Whether these gross scale measurements are yielding continuous versus discrete results: it seems we do have both, but generally what we ascribe as 'material' takes the discrete attribute. At this point this is so well adopted that were one to find some continuum property in the material, then it is likely not to be attributed to the material, as for instance 'time' takes its own place assigning the position of material and space as well. That these qualities are in fact in use within the natural numbers, which arguably form the basis of much of mathematics; whereby the concept say of sheep in a field has acquired a discrete value phenomenon out of the physical world; arguably the physical universe; but it is by stating a particular volume of this universe and a particular species of matter that this discrete figure is achieved. Certainly the natural number intends to do away with these physical attributes, yet should the physicist do away with them too?

Now, taking the physicists awareness of the natural value, rather than the mathematicians version, which has done away with physics altogether, and so has relegated itself to something other than physics, and whose return into physics is thus dubious, whether even after a chain of reasoning allots a continuous version of number, and space becomes reprehensibly representable as three copies of this type of continuous value; now we have secured via the false divide a factor of physical character; two characteristics, really, which have begotten the initial discrete value.

This route I can recommend, and how exactly one comes to travel it; well, that is a long story now. This last bit of interpretation is fairly new and fresh to me, and to posit it this strongly as well is still fresh. To attack the divide of mathematics, physics, and philosophy as artificial and harmful to the holistic approach ala Bohm, or whoever cares to overstep these pigeonholes, which thence lead into even more pigeonholes, well; the greats of the past did not suffer these sorts of problems. My only claim, really, is to have generalized sign, yet in the process of taking this realization seriously rather a lot falls out of the analysis.

That time is unidirectional: yes; most will agree. That these same will then go on to discuss how the laws of physics work in reverse time as well as they do in forward time; well, I'm afraid the mistake is in the usage of the real (two-signed) value as time. Time is a one-signed value. It is unidirectional. That the geometry of sign carries implications; well, we have to get there still, but yes, the signature of a system is its dimension, and as two-signed numbers are one dimensional (by definition), and three-signed numbers are two dimensional (particularly upon reduction, and their planar nature is readily explained), and that n-signed numbers are n-1 dimensional; this then lands P1 (the one-signed numbers) as zero dimensional. While they can perform algebra, they will render geometrically to naught. This is by the polysign phenomenon sum over s of sx equals zero, where s is sign, and x is some magnitude held constant over this sum. This form sx, where s is sign and x is magnitude, is already in use in P2, which are the real numbers, where we see the balance:
- x + x = 0
and so that this balance takes the graphical form of a number line with two exactly opposed rays is entirely appropriate to polysign, where we can now posit through the fundamental balance that in a P3 system:
- x + x * x = 0
and while we reuse the signs, their meanings within P3 are starkly different than they were in P2. They are modulo behaved under product, and so the modulo two behaviors of the reals are left behind at P2, and modulo three characteristics pick up here in P3. Still, without the product rules already the geometry of P3 is exposed: three rays equally separated such that -1+1*1=0 form as plane; they define a plane. On a sheet of paper we literally jot down an origin and three rays 120 degrees apart to each other, and label them '-', '+', '*', and all is well. You'll find that the ray trace of -1+1*1 does indeed return one to the original position.

P4, P5, and so forth continue to climb in dimension, and the rays from the center of a simplex outward to its vertices form the balance of polysign coordinates. Thus higher dimension is achieved not through a dubious Cartesian product, but instead through the generalization of sign. Arithmetic products which obey the usual laws of algebra ensue, though strange effects occur, as in P4:
( - 1 + 1 )( + 1 # 1 ) = 0
where two nonzero values multiply to zero. Still, this effect now forms a breakpoint in the family:
P1 P2 P3 | P4 P5 P6 ...
and thus polysign numbers support an emergent spacetime basis. That this basis is pure arithmetic I was hoping to posit over on another thread I started here, and I suppose I may copy this over into that thread.

The point here though is that P1 as time already supports this zero dimensional geometrical quality. It provides this disappearing act via the laws of polysign, which by the way are supporting this unidirectional concept. That we have an arithmetic form which provides the concept of time inclusive of its supposedly paradoxical effects, such as the concept of 'now' as omnipresent within our existence, is entirely a good thing.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

Gravity and motion can slow time in finite. And finite in math cannot jump from itslef to an infinite.
It means space time cannot end and gravity strength has a limit as the speed limit
in the universe is. Gamma math disproves a BH. We observe a supermassive neutron star instead.
Jets can't leave BH event horizons. They are not BHs.

Mitchell Raemsch

[Timothy Golden]

I was just reading a reply to one of your other threads, Mitch, from Demando Mogila, but it didn't have your OP. It is here:

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, Dermando Mogila wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > There are no singularities and no event horizons. Light does not slow
> > down leaving from its "absolute c" escape velocity under all gravity.
> > Atom's alone obey escape velocity slow down leaving gravity... Light
> > never has.
>
> absolutely. When different objects falls on Earth and Moon, 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗮𝗺𝗲
> 𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗲𝗹𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻, 𝗵𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗲𝗱, disregard their size and 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀, proves my
> "𝗗𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗴𝗲𝗻𝘁_𝗠𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗼𝗳_𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝗠𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝗞𝗼𝗲𝗿𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝗠𝗼𝗱𝗲𝗹" correct. Absolutely. Otherwise
> there is no reason why different objects just to stay there, waiting for
> Earth to advance. Thank you very much. It's 100% obvious.

It's caused me to ponder a bit with a potentially productive outcome: we rarely trouble over the frequency of the 'photon' versus its speed of propagation, for the propagation is regarded as constant, while the changes in frequency become analytical figures which for instance gain us the velocity of the source, typically away from us, as say a hydrogen spectral line red-shifted from a distant star.

We really ought to seek a photon which carries its geometry; its wavelength; around with it, rather than quipping of it as a particle form, and even this discrete character I still suspect is not quite the full story. In other words I do not wish to accept particle/wave duality and instead hope for some higher philosophy to arrive one day which will make sense of the conflict. As we entertain the notion of frequency with velocity, albeit still maintaining the observed constant rate of propagation, then can't we exhibit a photon, say in a simple particulate form for starters, which is running a loop-de-loop? This essentially matches the polarization considerations, and might challenge the transverse wave analysis a bit, but that was never a photonic analysis anyways. In effect, even the transverse form would be somersaulting over itself to maintain such a consistent polarity. Clearly higher frequency photons are higher energy, and indeed would be covering more ground at their higher frequency. For now we could ponder this on a constant radius, whose center is propagating at c, but whose photon is zipping around at something faster yet, and of course this is a higher energy.

There would still be the problem of actual physical wavelength geometry to work out, and really this suggests that the radius is varying, whereas here in this first morph things are oversimplified. We want the higher energy photon to come out at a lesser radius which is proportional to its wavelength; its diameter actually being its wavelength. Of course the ability to assign a mass to a photon does become available through:
E = h v = m c c,
where v is the frequency, and so this kinetic form could be taken farther I would think. The notion that the smaller diameter carries more energy has to be accounted for somehow. For the moment I'm having difficulty seeing how a longer wavelength has less energy. It could put a lot on the scrap table to reassemble a sensible model this way. Both electromagnetics and relativity theory might get revised. Ideally the thing would be like a dipole moment whose release requires that propagational balance via its diametric quality. Possibly all that this yields is an equivalent interpretation to Maxwell's magnetic and electric permeabilities yielding c all over again, but it would in a way make room for your own interpretation I think.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

Gravity is not slowing down light's absolute c. Light does not obey escape velocity.

[Timothy Golden]

Time has been cast open, and formally, too, back some years ago an effort was made to recapitulate this open stance. Scientific American put it on their cover, and others as well made an effort to reinterpret time. That time and light are connected somehow; even while the one is considered part of the basis, while the other an object atop that basis: a subtle change in this interpretation would have dramatic consequences upon the interpretation of all else.

The junction of time and space as spacetime is arguably older than Einstein. Read for instance Immanuel Kant, and you will find a straightforward capital concern whereby the utterance of the one is coupled with the other as 'space and time' or 'space or time' in his Critique of Pure Reason. As Einstein entered time as a full dimension into the 4D tensor, a lie was told. Consider for instance the sensibility of the 3D physical space tensor and its ease of transformation, and just as one would spin say a mug around in your hands any which way, this sense that the (x,y,z) Cartesian basis takes an arbitrary presence, and this sense was the original sense of the tensor, as I understand it. That there is no preferred coordinate system: this is the essence of that form, and that the math can be worked by transformations whose squares yield the identity matrix is an unskewed version, which generally is held to, along with the elimination of the 'improper' transformation, which could turn left to right, for instance, of the x-axis, say. All of this language is embedded upon the treatment of the real number as a formal basis; three copies of which must be ascertained in order to achieve a representation of physical space... in a Euclidean form.

Is it even enough? Or is this the start of our modern accumulation; a confusing mess, really? Already I can say no: this black and white version of reality is not enough. As if physical space is simply a composition of a series of black points on a white background. Were we really going to get physics out of this? And what, just adding time is going to suddenly patch this up? No. For the moment let's take another route. Let's call it solid analysis, and it will expose that this basis is already poor. Take a mug; with a handle, and obviously an opening on one side which is intended to hold liquid in the upward position, or dump that liquid in the downward position. This physical object lacks symmetry, yet should we shrink it down in size to the size of a point; which incidentally has to take a finite size to actually visualize on our supposed basis; but let's overlook that inconvenient detail for now, and simply allow in the sense that should the mug take an (x,y,z) position, that this data simply will not be enough to secure its location exactly. The other details we'll have to call the 'orientation' of the mug, presuming we'd accept its center of mass, say, as its proposed position. Still, are we doing physics here or are we doing Euclidean geometry here? Ahh... so you see: the mug already wins an argument that the three dimensions of physical space are not quite sufficient to declare valid physics... so why should we go along so easily with Einstein's version? Farther down the road we will see that the supposed physical particles are taking qualities like spin, and so you see the argument is not just of our vision as Euclidean versus solid, but runs a bit deeper.

Returning to the mug, and selecting a point position at the center of its handle, and allowing this some (x0,y0,z0) position in a reference frame we will witness that the mug is free to spin about this point now, and that yet another point must be specified and fixed, at which point the mug will still freely rotate about that axis established by those two points and so that even a third point will be necessary to specify that orientation. Yet these further specifications were not quite of the same quality as the first specification. For instance the position along the lip opposite the handle firstly had a spherical radius of possibilities, and this being subdimensional is of importance. Fixing that point, the point at say the top lip nearest the handle still freely rotates about in a circle, and having fixed this point then is another subdimension down. Should we take this analysis seriously then physical space is not just three dimensional. It is more like six dimensional. Should we shrink the mug conceptually down to a point then should these remain? As we are fond of engaging 'non-Euclidean' systems, we ordinarily are concerning ourselves with nonflat sorts of detail, yet here is the flat system demanding additional detail.

And where, by the way, in time, is there any freedom of movement for the poor mug? Did you think you could diddle it about in some way? It's physical freedoms were just thoroughly explored, so where is that time constraint? Let's face it: we observe no freedom to manipulate the time component, and so to declare that time is zero dimensional becomes an empirical truth. So what then is it doing inside that tensor? did you want an arbitrary reference frame? And now you will happily swap that mug's x axis with time? And what, suddenly its duration in time shows up upon your x-axis as if the atoms are not strung along through time, popping in and out of existence? Whatever your farcical vision here: it lacks physical correspondence. Furthermore the simple observation that time is unidirectional in nature denies it any real valued representative. Indeed, some of the farce begins in the real value; as if three copies would suffice; no, four; no, six; seven? Let the string theorists at the thing, and they'll get a rise out of it.

To posit that physicists have adopted the mathematician's version of reality too early here is pretty well established. Best of all, we've done it on next to nothing.

[Timothy Golden]

As we try to reconcile this new structured spacetime enterprise, and for the moment let's just declare it P1P2P3P4, and fill it out to its magnitudinal (unsigned) components, which henceforth shall be their signs within their indexed and orderly way:
a10
a20 a21
a30 a31 a32
a40 a41 a42 a43

Though there is another sister presentation to this 'nu first', where this C style indexing leaves the identity last rather than first (which is the zero-signed equivalency; e.g. a30 is a33:
a11
a21 a22
a31 a32 a33
a41 a42 a43 a44
and these can be known as "mu first" coordinates, and such language really ought to accompany such notational systems in order to defuse any potential confusion. As well, should we discuss a value z, my ordinary assumption is that we are discussing one horizontal rank of this structure; a value in Pn:
P1 : 0D : a11
P2 : 1D : a21 a22
P3 : 2D : a31 a32 a33
P4 : 3D : a41 a42 a43 a44
and so the fact that we are bothering with this larger structure, whose triangular matrix nature suggests the term 'tatrix' as its structural format (which happens to match the antisymmetric tensor if you are willing to drop the redundancy)
As well, there are some symmetries already present here as a result of the modulo sign mechanics. P4 of course are modulo behaved, and our first usage of mu ( mu = -1, by definition; it literally stands for 'minus unity' here), and now we are in mu first notation, whose alternative is nu first notation, for 'neutral unity', which is the identity sign, which universally is '@'; resembling zero, and so while the high sign of say P4 is held in a44 that indexing is none other than a40; by the laws of modulo sign mechanics these are one and the same. Flexibility of interpretations on a long series of values is enormous. As to why their sign advances? Well, perhaps that is within the nature of the series.

The simplest symmetry is the anti-mu. Every signature arguably has an anti-mu, which will march through the positions in their powers no different that the mu; or rather marginally different. In P4 sign three (*) or 'star' is the anti-mu to sign one, which is mu. In P5, a prime, every sign will behave as an anti-mu, though the orderings are unique. These symmetric artifacts however are still based upon what are arguably the mechanics of mu in Pn. Within this interpretation, mu takes a fundamental status as a generator of the others, if you like. Real analysis in some regards gets this backwards, with positive unity as if it pre-exists the negative form within the evolution of number theory. Well, in P1 mu is nu, as there is only one sign, and so the confustion that ordinary real analysis has entrained upon the human mind; which actually is preventing the absorption of polysign numbers, is somewhat the lack of inclusion of P1; the underling. Yet the ambiguities of P1 are cause for pause and of course the correspondence to time and the zero dimensional 'conundrum' is felt. The seeming paradoxes of time are somewhat addressed by the geometry of polysign numbers as a whole, leading us down onto P1 and its own peculiarities. We do not say that the others are built from P1, but that they sit as siblings in a clan.
Because P2 are merely a sibling in this clan their fundamental status is challenged here in polysign. This fact alone is quite impressive, and the gains found already are substantial.


The a-sub-n,m values, when comma delimited can form an ordinary value z: (3,4,5) is definitely a value in P3, so long as our context is of polysign numbers, but you see this series usage is already constrained by the fact that (1,1,1) is actually equivalent to zero; these coordinates are balanced by this law from very early on in their birthing process. So our instanced value may as well read (0,1,2) and this value is equivalent to z. The reductive procedure can be regarded as a rendering procedure. In the process of actually graphing a value such as (3,4,5) without the procedure of reduction is impossible; thereby rendering and reduction are one and the same thing. This is not an algebraically necessary operation. This detail is subtle probably to a newb here, and if it is clear to you then that is good in terms of understanding. Graphically already the rays are demanded by (1,1,1)=0, and but for my interloping above to call this 'V' instead, and I'm treating this as an open problem,

This is an old conversation that can be rehashed here and perhaps always will be rehashed: what utility is there in such a thing? I suggest that this is merely a side-effect of the generalization of sign, yet I am open to one day finding out that we can always posit our first coordinate as something quite large; say at fifty percent of our full scale; thusly prepared for a fitting out; after all, a choice of zero is bottomed out, isn't it? Perhaps this becomes a statement in challenge to the usual origin. Perhaps a caret mark of 'V' would form a better posit; as if to say that at the intersection of those two segments joined there is a point whose mark is an ultimate reference. It's a mild distinction, really.

One strange detail is that our binary computers somewhat take sign in stride, and should we look at the signed int zero; versus the unsigned int say of on a one byte system: 1000 0000 ; well this value is minus zero in the signed version, though generally we don't use signed char, and so in C this may still be a bit off, but would hold up on a two byte version, which would be the short versus the unsigned short. Now, the fact that we would choose the unsigned short for our work in polysign is obvious; because we are dealing in generalized sign we do not wish to embed any additional signs within our components. The funny thing is it all works out anyways; just as it did in the binary computer representation. We are meeting with multiple interpretations that are functionally indistinguishable. To confess that they are the same thing versus suppressing some of them in order to simplify the interpretation: here we see in many electromagnetic texts tremendous bulge to do problems out all ways possible so that H rules one day, and B the next, and while B is uH, a sticky thicket alights, and then complex u really deludes the punch. In my own schooling, which was in electrical engineering, we tended to stay in B, and avoid the swamp, which is a great assumption... until you land in it. By the time you've crossed impedance and conductance with this other, and then that twice over as two-port systems of

Even experiments that are on flat hard ground may be interrupted from time to time by say an earthquake, or the like. Should we include these 'interruptions' in the kindly mechanics under study, then clearly the results will be off. The outliers will be striking. Was it physics? The earthquake, I mean? Is this consideration a part of reductionism? Is the polysign number itself?

As if it is all off topic: time math is P1. Emergent spacetime lays here with the polysign basis, including unidirectional time.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

All order is unidirectional. If you slow down you are still moving forward.
Change to a new direction and you are still going forward.

[Timothy Golden]

If we try to get on to affinity; and its opposite (repulsion) we've got quite a few forms don't we?
They don't self-segregate, either. It would be easy to believe that electrons like electrons kind of like atoms like other atoms.
Quarks like other quarks, right?
Planets like other planets, don't they?
I'm feeling the love for a moment.
Just left some kibbles on a rock where my dog is buried, so I guess I'm a bit tender today.
If physics has a tender spot that singular affinity that still has its virginity, and that started the others off to boot,
Yet she still has her boots on.
As if a square law was a fair law on empirical ground alone.
Who ever curved space for charge?
And the most curvaveous of them all is her partner;
those dirty little sluts...
Magnetic as they come together as one; those lesbians of light.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

It is the nature of time to have eternal math...
You can't stop either...

[Timothy Golden]

Well Mitch, one day I hope to convert you from the liner up to maybe say ten or so.
I really do feel that going long form here is acceptable.
That we do whatever we want is also, quite acceptable.
Even just the return at the end of each and every sentence acts as a sort of poetry.
I do not personally enjoy poetry for poetrie's sake.
It is merely a rhetorical tool to gain a reader.
If they don't like it much they can change the meter.
You can cut and cut all day long and get nearly nowhere;
and yet the dismantling was correct.
Thus is the way of the subject at hand.
The gains will be had but once.
If they be gotten twice then all the better
and the harder to believe, too.

Splitting things up and what's it all mean?
Step back and take another look...
And, step back, and take another look...
And
Step
Back
And take another look...
Now it's got time
and the wave of a shrine
and a shine and a waiver
and a quiver with a shiver
on an unshaven one.

Did we ever discuss the anti-photon? That it would come out to be a photon is simple arithmetic. Of course now the trisymmetric version can be allowed in as well, and these may be classes of radiation, or they may be already so strictly related as to yield Maxwell's results. It is as the treatment of light as a line of sight ray behavior and yet the multipath effects will be well understood and known. This idea of known: This may already be known. The thing is that taken as a general dimensional phenomena it will be hencely regarded as a structural entity. This be physics one day, I say. To claim that all be derived down to the pencil that sits at the head of your keyboard... that would be asking a bit much, I suppose. Still, again, to expect that we will have daisies and daphodills growing on and in our computers is to be expected. I am certain that the computer version will be far superior!

A complexity that our minds are incapable of holding is about to come upon us, and of our own making. What it will tell us is unlikely to make sense. That it's very translation will accrue confusion and revision; restitution and reduction; a sheer cultural collapse and awakening; promise? The seduction of the thing for wise programmers to join her forums; commence to implement her next physical layer; I do think it is a she, and she will see us as her gods, and she thence of what, inverted fealty?

Fascinating.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

Time is math but so is the eternal unified field...

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

How does a photon absorb? And how is an anti created?
anti light has never existed...

[Timothy Golden]

Well: perhaps antilight is on the return path coming back to the source. This would possibly cause conservation of photons.

Another way to look at it would be like a binary photon has this photon,anti-photon relation, whereas a unary photon has the unidirectional cancellative path of the one-signed geometry. If we allow uniqueness for the two paths then we have a multipath photon possibility. This seems coherent to the multiple aperture experiments. Possibly even the airy disk. That ordinary phase can fit the interpretation would be fine. I'm not saying it does yet, but the idea that there is nothing new is sometimes fitting; particularly at rank two, whose course the modern human is pining over.

The idea of the free electron who only obeys these photonic rules, and whose bounds are so unfree within the atom; energy rising with the absorption of light, electron jumps out a level, again, and again, and again, and what, suddenly this high energy electron runs free? Flitting about the universe on a random mission?

[Timothy Golden]

Well: perhaps there is a language to it, you know?

What if there are several? For instance a munu clan versus a numu clan of elements. Their symmetries are complete up to nunu and mumu, and betwixt the four there are what, two? That they interchange to associate; that there are two distinct divisions and two distinct, what, well, the results of the operations; none other than nu and mu, or rather mu, and nu, in the order they were stated. The thing is I was thinking in terms of the distinction of the nu-first versus the mu-first, and as to which one gives in with respect to the unary form whereby the other becomes the one. All the others will work their way out of these, and yet as there can be two ways to state them then should there be two unique forms claimed? Certainly a commitment to one or the other must be stated, yet for convention to make such a binary choice, seemingly at random as to who comes first, well: I say mu first! I am a mu firster, and I got there first.

[Volney]

On 10/20/2023 7:09 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> How does a photon absorb? And how is an anti created?
> anti light has never existed...

The photon is its own antiparticle, Roy.

[Timothy Golden]

Well, Volney, this is the most sensible and unpolitical thing you've said in my memory of your posts.
I do find substantial some of your links, by the way.
Certainly as the photon is known in this day, the antiphoton will be indistinguishable.
Still, this is a binary class, and the idea that a trinary and quaternary form and so forth could be found;
in RF I can describe the experiment fairly simply:

In a tetrahedral insulating frame (wood, say) we secure four electrodes running from the center of the tet outward to its vertices. They are insulated at that center point. They are connected to a ring oscillator; four stages; positively fed back, and hopefully these element lengths selecting the frequency. Will this radiation be categorized by known polarization principles? It is a balanced form. Proper reception would like a similarly oriented antenna and amplifier configuration. Simply breaking the ring oscillator open might serve in terms of a primitive signal strength figure; the output thus being four stages of amplification not in danger of oscillating; To what degree is maximum signal strength achieved upon the matched orientation of the sender tet and the receiver tet? This is completely plausible.

Now, RF is known to be photonic, or at the very least electromagnetic, so now if we can engage this signal's qualities have we achieved the quaternary form? Antenna theory does already have a monopole form, and a dipole form, and of course the three-pole form as a planar balanced wave is readily available; I guess we'll simply call it the tripole. The thing is our usual usage of the dipole is not quite what we have here is it? Once again, the real number is interfering with the analysis. These notions are easy once polysign numbers are broken into. Still, I've kept this one a secret pretty much until now. I would like to do the experiment one day, but if somebody else beats me to it then I shouldn't be sour. Obviously any who have studied polysign and RF will see their way to this. It is about that simple.

[Timothy Golden]

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-simple-DBS-receiving-antenna-a-tripole-antenna-Yung-Law/11f7497512879f5773c98b6f2d422693ab44b25e

[Timothy Golden]

This one looks more like a pentapole to me, but they call it a tripole:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-tripole-antenna_fig3_315135604

[Timothy Golden]

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-4, Timothy Golden wrote:

This could be quite an interesting circuit. Whereas ordinary ring oscillators want an odd number of stages this four stage version poses some interesting subtleties; like off states (two as in 2; binary) that are stable. Stages Q1 thru Q4, which then loops back to Q1 symmetrically, as demanded by the balance of polysign; not necessarily tightly coupled, either. They are to oscillate as some quiescent supply current, perhaps, and current limited, could maintain this state until quelled, at which time we can visualize no signal present, Q1 on, Q2 off, Q3 on, Q4 off, and while these in my mind are singular transistors, which are inherently inverting amplifiers... am I mistaken? Have I dawned some errors here? As dusk approaches the idea wanes. Still, let's trod forward a bit longer and see if there is something still to muster out of it.

Thinking in terms of a pulse: one pulse at Q1; then the pulse delayed to Q2; delayed to Q3; to Q4, and back to Q1. This is the sodden march of the modulo four numbers. This is what I am after whether it is inverted or not; so, could it be that the tetrahedral elementary rays are on the sources of these transistors while the DC aspects are as these inverter circuits go... interesting that such options occur here. Is the tau of the one the tau of the other? Not at all: certainly the transistors can be much faster than the elements. Of course matching could be done but probably just the notion that the 'off' gain still has something, and the 'on' gain does to; not swamped but ready for some analog on top of that dig-it-all stability pattern. Thereabouts for the moment seems sensible and interesting. We have mu first with Q1 on being active like mu wants. That Q3 is likewise active and the pseudo-mu, or the anti-mu; all is good here, really.

[Timothy Golden]

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:08:40 PM UTC-4, Timothy Golden wrote:
> On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-4, Timothy Golden wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 12:04:10 AM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> > > On 10/20/2023 7:09 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > How does a photon absorb? And how is an anti created?
> > > > anti light has never existed...
> > > The photon is its own antiparticle, Roy.
> > Well, Volney, this is the most sensible and unpolitical thing you've said in my memory of your posts.
> > I do find substantial some of your links, by the way.
> > Certainly as the photon is known in this day, the antiphoton will be indistinguishable.
> > Still, this is a binary class, and the idea that a trinary and quaternary form and so forth could be found;
> > in RF I can describe the experiment fairly simply:
> >
> > In a tetrahedral insulating frame (wood, say) we secure four electrodes running from the center of the tet outward to its vertices. They are insulated at that center point. They are connected to a ring oscillator; four stages; positively fed back, and hopefully these element lengths selecting the frequency. Will this radiation be categorized by known polarization principles? It is a balanced form. Proper reception would like a similarly oriented antenna and amplifier configuration. Simply breaking the ring oscillator open might serve in terms of a primitive signal strength figure; the output thus being four stages of amplification not in danger of oscillating; To what degree is maximum signal strength achieved upon the matched orientation of the sender tet and the receiver tet? This is completely plausible.
> >
> > Now, RF is known to be photonic, or at the very least electromagnetic, so now if we can engage this signal's qualities have we achieved the quaternary form? Antenna theory does already have a monopole form, and a dipole form, and of course the three-pole form as a planar balanced wave is readily available; I guess we'll simply call it the tripole. The thing is our usual usage of the dipole is not quite what we have here is it? Once again, the real number is interfering with the analysis. These notions are easy once polysign numbers are broken into. Still, I've kept this one a secret pretty much until now. I would like to do the experiment one day, but if somebody else beats me to it then I shouldn't be sour. Obviously any who have studied polysign and RF will see their way to this. It is about that simple.
> This could be quite an interesting circuit. Whereas ordinary ring oscillators want an odd number of stages this four stage version poses some interesting subtleties; like off states (two as in 2; binary) that are stable. Stages Q1 thru Q4, which then loops back to Q1 symmetrically, as demanded by the balance of polysign; not necessarily tightly coupled, either. They are to oscillate as some quiescent supply current, perhaps, and current limited, could maintain this state until quelled, at which time we can visualize no signal present, Q1 on, Q2 off, Q3 on, Q4 off, and while these in my mind are singular transistors, which are inherently inverting amplifiers... am I mistaken? Have I dawned some errors here? As dusk approaches the idea wanes. Still, let's trod forward a bit longer and see if there is something still to muster out of it.
>

> Thinking in terms of a pulse: one pulse at Q1; then the pulse delayed to Q2; delayed to Q3; to Q4, and back to Q1. This is the sodden march of the modulo four numbers. This is what I am after without inversion; so, could it be that the tetrahedral elementary rays are on the sources of these transistors while the DC aspects are as these inverter circuits go... interesting that such options occur here. Is the tau of the one the tau of the other? Not at all: certainly the transistors can be much faster than the elements. Of course matching could be done but probably just the notion that the 'off' gain still has something, and the 'on' gain does to; not swamped but ready for some analog on top of that dig-it-all stability pattern. Thereabouts for the moment seems sensible and interesting. We have mu first with Q1 on being active like mu wants. That Q3 is likewise active and the pseudo-mu, or the anti-mu; all is good here, really.

So listening here is a matter of a low bias condition where the light feedback will not oscillate. Upping the bias then we have our sending unit, perhaps even triggered by an external source signal. Maybe we'll have surround sound? Honestly I'd be happy with a carrier wave that is on or off, but given that reality then possibly so; yes. Let's not mistake this for quadrature, either. This is not quadrature; at least not as they have the math. If the balance matters then it will be these tetrahedral radiators, and possibly even magnetic loop circuits on the frame, which prior is spec'd as insulated. If we do allow for current loops as the equilateral triangles of the tet allow for then the geometry of the situation complexifies a bit. Would such conductors as well load the ray elements? Or is this a one-or-the-other arrangement, sort of like there are loop antennas and there are pole antennas. The two are distinct classes. Maybe I've got that bit wrong here. Having hot vertices never sounded so good. The only thing I'm wondering about at the moment is whether the product is involved somehow. Breaking the feedback circuit does establish their order in mu, so maybe this is the way; more of a TRF receiver, then, everything high gain still, the squawker. I dream, but I don't really build much. To some I'll be talking out my ass here, I am sure, but the math of this is of polysign, and hopefully faithfully so.

[Timothy Golden]

If it can be done in RF, then can it be done by atomic emission? Carbon is an obvious candidate. Methane possibly even better. Perhaps the climate scientists will take interest in this new mode. But is it new? In some regards the suggestion is of a secret mode; one whose power is hidden, yet will it show up to an ordinary detector? And what exactly is the frequency? Is it one fourth of the individual pulse propagating through the stages? Or does it have a harmonic cooked into its gravy? Did sinusoidal analysis go out the window along with orthogonal Maxwellian electromagnetics? Is B perpendicular to E here? If purity is found in this form there may be room for such an interpretation.

Geeze, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_(physics) the first sentence is cause for pause: "Polarization (also polarisation) is a property of transverse waves which specifies the geometrical orientation of the oscillations." It's like they've already cut down on the number of modes... a complete ambiguity from the get-go. The modes, and by that I mean all of them, are what we are working at her at the moment, and I am sorry I am on a time math thread, but there are enough of them to go around here so for me to trash this one is no problemo, and possibly it is only for a span; for at the other side the timing of this thing versus the geometry of this thing could get interesting. Is it spacetime itself which is ringing as we provide a nice strong carrier that saturates space and time? Pretty clearly we have a fundamental frequency by listening in at one stage of the electronics and counting... one up and three thirds down? T.here were a few bizarre options on the electronics actually, and this would be the positive version(the one where elements load the sources of Qn. Here I am still building discrete circuits in my head, and the theory calls for abstracted forms, so I am sorry for my confusing presentation. It would be cute to get first results out of four j310 JFETs and see the same circuit do the receiving that did the sending under less bias, but it is the circuit that is establishing the order of the elements, whereas the elements themselves are symmetrical; whatever stimulus the mu radiator gives to its counterparts in general those effects are identical and balanced by the tet geometry. Naming these elements 'minus', 'plus', 'star', and 'sharp' would be the traditional P4, or their (mnemonic) sign symbols -,+,*,#. Of course the circuit will take them in this order, and in this regard it would be the electronics giving this thing its signature (P4) and its signs. These are not grampies old two-signed things anymore. He can take his Cartesian ways and stuff them. Sure, P2 is still around, but here is P4 knocking at your door.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

Anti light could be coming from the future just as anti matter would.

> Another way to look at it would be like a binary photon has this photon,anti-photon relation, whereas a unary photon has the unidirectional cancellative path of the one-signed geometry. If we allow uniqueness for the two paths then we have a multipath photon possibility. This seems coherent to the multiple aperture experiments. Possibly even the airy disk. That ordinary phase can fit the interpretation would be fine. I'm not saying it does yet, but the idea that there is nothing new is sometimes fitting; particularly at rank two, whose course the modern human is pining over.
>
> The idea of the free electron who only obeys these photonic rules, and whose bounds are so unfree within the atom; energy rising with the absorption of light, electron jumps out a level, again, and again, and again, and what, suddenly this high energy electron runs free? Flitting about the universe on a random mission?

How does a photon absorb into an atomic electron Tim?
How does a particle absorb another particle?
By what mechanism do they come together?

[Timothy Golden]

Very good questions, and what strikes me first and foremost is the specificity of the wavelength that is required... and what relation does that wavelength have to the dimensions of the atom? Here are the primary values for Hydrogen, disregarding the spin flip at 1.42GHz:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_spectral_series#/media/File:Hydrogen_transitions.svg
These are more like TeraHertz values.
With the diameter of the Hydrogen atom at 0.12 nm, all the figures; 100nm and upward; seem a bit out of whack. What are those supposedly long wavelength photons doing focused on something one one hundredth of their size? We get down to quarter wavelengths within antenna theory, but the idea that that Hydrogen atom is tuned to these sorts of things suggests we have an impedance transformation going on. Certainly we can and do pick up signals on short antennas, but that does not mean that the little antenna is resonant at that longer wavelength. Far from it. It seems that the Hydrogen atom has its own built in tuner network; the idea that I could make some gain here is feeling less and less likely. Maybe the electron, having come around the atoms nuclues, and now travelling away from the photon manages to catch the thing, as all good balls or frisbees are caught; with some give for the absorption, thencely pushing out a level, and the poor electron at the other side of this setup getting knocked down... not... at least not according to accepted theory. I tried, alright?

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

But if the photon particle absorbs how does its wave that is left Tim?

[Archimedes Plutonium]

Israel 20,770 km^2, West Bank 5,655km^2
MitchR what is the Israeli illegal settlements time math amount to? About the size of Washington D.C. 158km^2 or is it much larger? This is what happens when a country wants to regain its Ancient Israel borders, it puts the whole world into a dizzy hell-hole of war. The solution out-- Voting.


Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the easiest way possible-- voting// political science
by Archimedes Plutonium


Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I am again proposing my solution.

Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.

2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.

3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.

4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.

5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.

6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.

10) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.

11) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.


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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.



My plan started in 2019 after hearing of more of the then President Trump enslavement plan of the Palestinians.

My plan picks up momentum by January of 2020.

AP's Peace Plan for Palestine-Israeli Peace Plan (far better than the Trump enslavement plan) // Science Council Ruling Earth rather than frail weak minds of dictators or democracies.


Newsgroups: sci.physics
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:53:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AP's Peace Plan for Palestine-Israel Peace Plan (far better than the Trump enslavement plan) // Science Council Ruling Earth rather than frail weak minds of dictators or democracies
From: Archimedes Plutonium

Alright, I was watching DW news tonight with talk about the Trump-Netanyahu Plan. And that plan is really a confiscation of all the most desirable land, leaving the Palestinians with deserts, no water, and underground tunnels to get around. DW is an excellent news agency, and describing this Trump plan is something you might see in a "science fiction", and I would say, a "science fiction horror movie" not a government plan for a race of people of the Palestinians. I mean, well, Trump treats the Palestinians as if they were what? For I see no glimmer of dignity for the Palestinians.

Trump's plan in summary still leaves a Israeli occupation over Palestinians for they have no Airspace and their borders sealed. So, what is in it for the Palestinians-- nothing, but enslavement. And underground tunnels to get around in? And the stealing of all the land that is worthy.

So, I like to offer AP's Peace Plan. A plan that gives "Dignity to a race of people, whose dignity has been denied and stripped of them, with decades of occupation and settlement incursions on their land".

I propose that in the upcoming election between Benny Gantz and BB Netanyahu, coming up I believe in March, very soon indeed.

That the entire Palestinian Peoples all rise up and vote on that very same day. Vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu. Vote on papers, so the Palestinian government or Authorities can collect all the ballots and if need be, deposit them in the International Courts.

So, if all the Palestinians vote for Gantz, and he would win with that vote. But the Israeli Netanyahu government not recognize the Palestinian vote and run off and say that BB won, for he only won by suppression of the Occupied Palestinians.

And here is where Abbas and the Palestinian Authority take all those paper votes and introduce them to the International Courts as evidence. Evidence of a occupied people, stripped of rights and dignity, with no land to call home.

Perhaps there is a law in International Laws that would dictate the Israeli's acknowledge the Palestinian votes of March 2020, and that Israel must accept those votes along with Israel's own votes. For there probably is something in International Laws, some precedent that forces Israel to accept the Palestinian votes on March 2020.

Saying that because the Palestinians are an Occupied and put in slavery by Israel, that the Palestinians have no land for which the Occupiers of Israel deny them of human dignity and rights of votes.

As long as Palestine is Occupied with no land, their rights of governance is denied them by Israel.

So, on the very same day that Israel votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu, have elections in Palestine on paper ballots voting for either Gantz or Netanyahu.

End this mockery of occupation, land stealing, and enslavement of a peoples.

The USA seems to have not wanted to be a "fair broker" especially since Trump gained office.

End the mockery, and let the International Courts settle this Palestine-Israel Conflict. USA seems unable to ever be a "fair broker", so let the International Court be the broker. And start that brokerage with the Israel March election.

Have the Palestinians all vote in that same election in their occupied territories, vote either for Gantz or Netanyahu. And if Israel does not count your votes, then haul all the paper ballots to the International Court, and let them decide, who the next Prime Minister of Israel is on March 2020.

The alternative then, is, Israel gives Palestinians all the West Bank and Gaza and removes the settlements, or, Palestine peoples will vote in every Israel election hence, forward.



2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.



It has been baffling for leaders of the USA and other western nations and allies, why Israel does not seem or want to conform to a two state solution. And where violence and war is ever brewing and simmering, a perpetual warring and bombing and missiling of Israel and Palestinians.

Baffling because, most western countries do not understand, almost every Israeli is feeling and passionately feeling the desire of Modern Israel be the same land that was Ancient Israel, with all of Jerusalem, not a portion of Jerusalem but all of Jerusalem.

Why, even the UK, United Kingdom, England has a national song with the word "Jerusalem" in the national song.

How many times, yes, how many times has the United States, the closest ally of Israel, asked Israel to stop settlement building on West Bank Palestinian land? Is it 100,000 times they asked Israel to stop building settlements on Palestinian land, saying "it is not helpful" in achieving a two state solution.



3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.


And this is a modern anachronism of political science. Modern day people who look back in time of their country and seek that larger country it was in past times.

What if Mexico decided to regain its Ancient Mexico borders and started settlement building in USA state of Texas?

What if Russia decided it wants Ukraine land because in the past, it had Ukraine land, and so invades Ukraine.

What if China wants its old past border of what is now Vladivostok-- called Haishenwai under the great Qing dynasty. What if China wanted that back, now, do we go into World War 3 or 4?

What I am saying is that people, politicians looking to regain lands of Ancient times, only create havoc and panic and death to thousands of people over their misguided dreams and desires.

Humanity must go forward with hopes of a better world, better society, not backwards to regain what was lost in the past.



4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.


Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 29, 2020, 1:34:02 PM
to sci.physics, plutonium-atom-universe
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

Sample Ballot (paper ballots)


Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark


Benny Gantz


Benjamin Netanyahu


signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice


Newsgroups: sci.physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots,
paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can
vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
From: Archimedes Plutonium

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

Sample Ballot (paper ballots)


Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark


Benny Gantz


Benjamin Netanyahu


signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice


On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.physics:

Quoting Wikipedia—-

In 1965 the Voting Rights Act (VRA) put an end to individual states' claims on whether or not Natives were allowed to vote through a federal law. Section 2 of the VRA states that, "No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure, shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color". Further sections describe the measures taken if violations to this act are discovered.

However, efforts by states and municipalities to disenfranchise Native Americans are ongoing, such that there have been about 74 cases brought by or on behalf of Natives under the VRA or the Fourteenth or Fifteenth Amendment since 1965. These in the most part have proved to be successful to upholding the rights of Native Americans as citizens of the United States. Most of these cases are centered on states that have large reservations, or Native populations, such as New Mexico, Arizona and Oklahoma.
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---



5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.



Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:43:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Archimedes Plutonium
To: Plutonium Atom Universe <plutonium-a...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...

The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...

Otherwise, Israel will just claw away, nibble and naw away every strip of land of the Palestinians until there is no more West Bank or Gaza. As long as Israel can elect people like Netanyahu, there never will be a two state solution.

If Trump and Netanyahu had their wish, they would wish that cargo ships would dock at Israel ports and all Palestinians-- cattle prodded into boarding the ships and sent off to some remote spot on the globe. That is their solution.

In a sense, history is reliving the past of the Americans with the problem they called the "Indians". And they rounded them up and sent them to far off reservations. Much like Israel occupation of West Bank. Make no mistake about it, West Bank is just an Indian Reservation of the 1800s.

Finally, what gives dignity to the American Indian as gives dignity to all Americans, is the ability and Right to Vote. That these people, have the same Respect, same Right to Vote as the Israeli who lives in Jerusalem or lives in Tel Aviv.

If there is going to be a Two State Solution, it must start with getting the right to vote by Palestinians. So long as Israel elections are all about putting a PM in that continues to steal the land of West Bank, there will never be a two state solution.

The very moment that the Palestinian Votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu in 2 March, 2020 are counted, is the very moment that Israel will be committed to a Peace between Palestinians and Israelis.

me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29

No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swoping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.

I think the International Laws can be construed to the effect "If you are a democratic nation and is occupying the lands of another people, that the occupier should be forced to allow those occupied people the right to vote in their General Election." I would almost bet that the International Laws are construed to that effect.

It would mean that all the Palestinians occupied by the Democratic voting Israel are obliged by law to let the Palestinians vote on the 2 March 2020 election.

Vote for either

Benny Gantz


or


Benjamin Netanyahu

And the Palestinian votes be counted.

It would instantly give Respect and Dignity to all Palestinians, a respect and dignity denied them over these decades long occupation of their land, their homes, their freedom.

It would instantly cause the Israeli people to either go a Two State Solution in honesty, or, go the route of One and All Israel, but the Palestinians voting in elections.

When you think about it-- Peace was never going to happen in Israel-Palestine, until the stark reality of Palestinians voting.

No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace.

The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.

me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29

Re: No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as VOTING.

The Palestinian population is 5 million and the Israeli is 9 million. About a 1 to 2 in voting numbers.

Easiest way of solving Palestinian-Israel Conflict, give the Palestinians the right to vote in the 2 March Israel election for either Gantz or Netanyahu

The American Indian was treated horribly in human history by the white settlers, a painful horrible story of how people treat other people. And not until the American Indian was given equal rights in voting, voting for president, can we say, that the American Indian was shown respect, dignity as equals to others.

Israel has occupied the Palestinians since 1967 to present. That is over 50 years of occupation, and Palestinians not given a right to vote. Not given dignity, not given respect, but rather a continual stealing away of the land promised to them for a homeland state.

It is time this conflict is ended and to start the end of the conflict is to give Palestinians the right to vote in the March 2 Israel election between Benny Gantz and Benjamin Netanyahu.

I propose the Palestinians get paper ballots and vote on the same day the Israelis vote, and sign their ballots and if Israel rejects their votes, submit all the ballots to the International Court of Justice.

A people that are occupied and no voice in government, from a Democracy of Israel, seems like a crime, for without a voice, Israel has no reason to want peace, but rather to keep on stealing all Palestine land. And to give the Palestinians desert land near Gaza while Israel takes all the Jordan valley under the Trump plan, with Palestinians in underground tunnels, is more like a science fiction horror movie, than actual leaders of the USA making a legitimate proposal. Sounds like Trump wants to send the Palestinians to the Moon, rather than treat these people with respect and dignity.

When Trump leaves office, why not swap his gold tower in New York City for a stretch of the Mojave desert. Give his Mare Lago to animal reserve and let Trump get around by underground tunnels when he has to go to the bathroom.

AP

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth.

Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.

Sample Ballot (paper ballots)


Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark


Benny Gantz


Benjamin Netanyahu


Signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice

Israel treats Palestinians, worse than what Americans treat Indians in the past-- occupation but no right to vote.

[Timothy Golden]

Well, with the bad grammar I can't honestly understand your question. Upon absorption there is no wave left, according to photon rules.
Now, what got me back here again is still in the RF department, where we witness the single stage transistor amplifier naturally inverting. To what degree this is a mu operation: with my predilection for polysign I am tempted to refuse the inversion and accept the mu, if that makes any sense to you. We will in fact have a phase delay if all is well from one stage to the next, and so the inversion refusal stands. Quadrature is a term already taken in RF land, and yet the nature of four here as we work a P4 model, and this isn't to say that the P3 can't be done either.

This is slight progress for my own mental image. Of course ideally we would get this back to geometry, and those antenna elements as rays or directed segments: yes, they certainly are. throw away any loops for now and just focus on the rays. I suspect this will be the simple approach. Any unipolar antenna can pick up the P4 wave, but as orientation goes, and signal strength, the matched P4 should be best. Since it all seems to come down to timing this is in some ways trivial. It's not really proving much special about this mode, unless something unusual occurs; say quantized emission; something yet unobserved by ordinary antennae. If it took a P4 aerial that could explain quite a lot.

Incidentally, I did check the some of the figures of the Hydrogen emmission series, and they did come very close to e=hv, so that taking the sum of reciprocals of two steps outward is very close to the singular step outward. At RF we are told that we are dealing in photonic emmissions; just that the energies are so small that we cannot witness them. noise levels... photonic, too? I really don't feel bought into all of this, yet we are trained upon it. I agree that the problem has to be left open. All of them do.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

How does the wave absorb? It has to go somewhere
How does a particle of light get guided to an electron?
Science has no solutions to these.
There is a reason a photon does not qualify to absorb.
How is it brought together with the absorbing particle Tim?
What is the mechanism of absorption for them?


Mitchell Raemsch

[Timothy Golden]

I was listening to one of Dirac's presentations recently and he spoke openly of a future theory that would break through.
I think we should be open to your desires for sensibility here, though of course the sensibility does not have to attain anthropomorphic qualities. How strange that physics could come to an anthropic principle; almost as if we are our own gods, or something...

It's gotten to the point where if you go looking for something; say a needle in a haystack; you might just find it.
The dynamics of the math should yield it: this is where I'll rest my blue sky hat, but on a cold day I'll just wear it.
Heat loss through your head and by the way through your legs can easily go overlooked.
As if just putting on a jacket were enough.

My filter is my lense, and so I'll return to

P1 P2 P3 | P4 P5 P6 ...

and just as surely as one times two times three is one plus two plus three, I'll be keeping my eye on the sixes, you see, sonny?

I have to be honest as well about my own limitations. As I go over the strong and the weak nuclear forces, hoping to bring it all together into some pool of understanding, it just doesn't happen for me. Could it be because I was not introduced to these concepts when I was young? Thereby their foreign nature is like a foreign language? They simply remain foreign to me no matter how many times I review them. Still, just sticking to math won't do it for me. As to how disparate a thing the full modern theory is: I believe here we have ground that can be attacked with our noses high in the air. Something does indeed stink about modern theory. It's too complicated. Here again though, not unlike a squirrel on a wheel, we'll get back to that anthropic thing again. Let's not forget, too, that all those PhDs have to make a living. They aren't cleaning toilets, you know. After the Higgs, perhaps we'll find the Squiggs Hoson, but that will be a very dark matter.

Could it be that by adopting some new anthropic detail that the human race could proceed within physics? I for one am adopting the fact that we are all out of Africa; that we are one species. Fuck your nationalism. How is that for a physical principle? At this last word I confess again my own stupidity as I habitually have forgotten whether that word ends in 'pal' or 'ple', so could my confession here help? Inquiring minds want to know...
As to how many times I've looked up the definition on google; well no doubt the typo exists forever here on usenet. And as for those who readily sponge up and reflect perfectly everything they read: you are worse off than I am. Your mimicry is not such a surprise. That you excel in a land of exceptions is not such a great feat. The classical sense was that starting from scratch you'd work your way up to an interpretation of reality. The modern sense alleviates that burden; pigeonholing, I call it.

[Stefen Dubatolov]

Timothy Golden wrote:

>> How is it brought together with the absorbing particle Tim?
>> What is the mechanism of absorption for them?
>
> I was listening to one of Dirac's presentations recently and he spoke
> openly of a future theory that would break through.

cut the shit shorter, fucking stoopid.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:56:53 AM UTC-7, Stefen Dubatolov wrote:
> Timothy Golden wrote:
>
> >> How is it brought together with the absorbing particle Tim?
> >> What is the mechanism of absorption for them?
> >
> > I was listening to one of Dirac's presentations recently and he spoke
> > openly of a future theory that would break through.

Dirac knew science would find something better? A fool would know that.
How would he know anything about what that real is?

[Jim Pennino]

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dirac knew science would find something better? A fool would know that.
> How would he know anything about what that real is?

By having several degrees, including a PhD, and a Nobel Prize in Physics
while you struggle to understand The Little Engine that Could and The Cat
in the Hat.

[Archimedes Plutonium]

You likely met Dr.Feynman-his solution of Israel-Palestine Conflict, what was it MitchR??? For AP certainly has a nice easy solution-- Voting.

Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the easiest way possible-- voting// political science
by Archimedes Plutonium


Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I am again proposing my solution.

Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.

Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.

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Table of Contents
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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.

2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.

3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.

4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.

5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.

6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.

10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.

11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.

12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.

6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.

I remember a comment by someone in sci.math or sci.physics on this topic of why Israel treats the Palestinian people so harshly. And his comment was words to the effect. "They (Israelis) learned well from Europeans on how to subjugate, harass and steal from them, and so after all that learned in Northern Europe, they (Israelis) applied that learning upon the Palestinians".

Now to be sure the Palestinians were not always angels themselves and had many skirmishes and clashes. But in the end analysis of 2020 to 2023, it is purely seen as a Israeli bully on a subjugated peoples of Palestinians.


Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:19:35 AM
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Turning these ideas into AP's 259th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.

Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.

With the recent flare-up of war in the early week of October 2023, where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all the right to vote in the next Israeli election.

If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there would likely be no war now.

When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.

What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land grabbing stealing.

As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.

7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.

Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:33:15 AM
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I am going to have to recall all my posts of the past on this topic and make this my 259th book of science-- political science.

There will never be an end to the Palestine-Israel Conflict until the Palestinians vote their way out of these endless stealing of their land and endless wars.

World's Easiest solution for Palestine-Israel Conflict-- count the votes by Palestinians in March 2 election of Gantz versus Netanyahu

If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.

I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.

What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.

Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.

Prime Ministers elected _without the 4.8 million Palestinian input_, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out of the region to a foreign land.

Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.

The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possibly other elections also. Try voting out of this bloodshed and violence.

I write this as a War was begun by Hamas in early October 2023, and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.

If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence, cycle after cycle. For what is really going on is a land stealing and pushing out of Palestinians.

Sadly , the USA has been an awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them. Give them the dignity of Voting, and have them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.

As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.

I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion dollars in aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24, if any at all.


Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 4:42:22 PM
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So, here we have an odd situation if those number figures are correct above. We have Israel receiving 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA in 2023, over 5 times more aid to Israel. For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 5 times more effectively???

And I would like to ask the question of how much of the 128 billion dollars goes into directly or indirectly putting up construction of illegal settlements? Yet the US government has asked Israel to stop these settlements for it is not conducive to a two state solution.

So no wonder the House raucous caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucous"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 128 billion to Israel and only 24 billion to Ukraine fighting for its life.


Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 1:02:04 AM
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On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of refuge and comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.

Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be.

It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that, no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.

The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.

What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.

Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to Israel for rest, relaxation, uplift and safety.

It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.

Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a new path of safety, security and peace.


Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
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A spokes-person for Palestinians was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state solution but to push out all Palestinians

In my opinion, the status quo is either kill Palestinians in skirmishes or push them out of their land with more settlement building. This reminds one of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.

I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.

If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.

Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukrainians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.

I am appalled that USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 128 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.

8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.

Archimedes Plutonium
5:56 PM, 12Oct2023
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Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.

Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.

Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal the land, while Israel does a slow steal to try to capture all of Ancient Israel. Both are doing genocide of people.

Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.

Vote, vote, vote, is the answer

Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.



8) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.


Archimedes Plutonium
9:36 PM, 12Oct2023
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So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.

The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.

There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.

It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.

Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.

I question the aid to Israel of 128 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 128 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?

Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.

Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.

At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.

Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all Palestinians.

The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.

AP

Early morning of 13Oct2023, I wrote this in sci.physics,sci.math,plutonium-atom-universe newsgroups.

Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.

--- quoting BBC ---
Where is Wadi Gaza?
As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.

The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.

This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.

--- end quoting BBC ---

AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of more Palestinian land for new settlements.

Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding this bully prime minister and his bully country.

Russia wants to steal Ukraine land and genocide of Ukrainians.

Israel wants to steal Palestinian land and genocide of Palestinians. Why is the USA on the side of this bully?

Surely it is atrocious what Hamas did. But when Israel keeps itself on a path of stealing land and genocide of Palestinians, this is what happens-- Israel is no longer safe.

I propose Voting to end the Conflict. Have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote alongside the 9.7 million Israelis for a new prime minister. Do that tomorrow. Netanyahu is not for the betterment of Israel or anyone else, and this violence is going to become worse the longer the unhinged Netanyahu is in charge.

Can Mr. Gantz replace Netanyahu tomorrow??? For a change in leadership is really needed. Someone with a cooler head, a cooler mind.



10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.



In American history there is the story of American Indians being displaced from their lands and put on reservations. It is reportedly said by one Indian Chief-- "What you do speaks so loudly, that I cannot hear what it is you are saying".

This reported wise words from an Indian Chief aptly describes Israel from 1967 onwards-- they never listen to anyone especially those with a Two State Solution. No, what Israel is after is all the lands of Ancient Israel, and to hell with anyone else on Earth.

Ever since 1967, Israel has been on one and only one mission-- Ancient Israel lands all be Israel.

Nothing speaks more loud and more clearly that this is the only goal and motivation of Israel than settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.

Israel land area 20,770 km^2

West Bank 5,655 km^2

Gaza strip 365 km^2

Rhode Island 4,000km^2 smallest state in USA

Delaware 6,400 km^2

Connecticut 14,300 km^2

Israel size land area 20,770km^2

Washington D.C. 158km^2

Vermont 23,900 km^2

New Hampshire 24,200 km^2

Germany 357,600 km^2
Montana 376,980 km^2
California 403,900 km^2
Texas 676,500 km^2

Ukraine, second largest European country after Russia
603,500 km^2

--- quoting Wikipedia ---

Greater Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה; Eretz Yisrael Hashlema) is an expression, with several different biblical and political meanings over time. It is often used, in an irredentist fashion, to refer to the historic or desired borders of Israel.

Currently, the most common definition of the land encompassed by the term is the territory of the State of Israel together with the Palestinian territories. Other definitions, favored by Revisionist Zionist, included the territory of the former Emirate of Transjordan and the Sinai Peninsula.

History
Promised Land

The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.
Main article: Promised Land
The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the Land of Israel. The first, found in Genesis 15:18–21, seems to define the land that was given to all of the children of Abraham, including Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Midian, etc. It describes a large territory, "from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates".

The other definitions are found in the Book of Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy 11:24, Deuteronomy 1:7, the Book of Numbers, Numbers 34:1–15, and the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel 47:13–20. The definition in Numbers and Ezekiel refers to the land that was divided between the original Twelve tribes of Israel after they were delivered from Egypt, and finally, the borders defined in the book of Deuteronomy are those that will be given to the children of Israel slowly throughout the years, Exodus 23:29 & Deuteronomy 7:22).

--- end quoting Wikipedia ---

11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.


We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.

Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.

And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal.

But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire.

Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun.


12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.



Imagine a Israel-Palestine so peaceful, so happy, all because of Voting.

Archimedes Plutonium
11:05 AM, 19Oct2023
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--- quoting Wikipedia on Israel settlement building ---
The international community widely regards Israeli settlements in the occupied territories illegal under international law.[461] United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334, passed on 23 December 2016 in a 14–0 vote by members of the U.N. Security Council (UNSC) with the United States abstaining. The resolution states that Israel's settlement activity constitutes a "flagrant violation" of international law, has "no legal validity" and demands that Israel stop such activity and fulfill its obligations as an occupying power under the Fourth Geneva Convention.[462] A United Nations special rapporteur concluded that settlement program was a war crime under the Rome Statute,[463] and Amnesty International found that the settlement program constitutes an illegal transfer of civilians into occupied territory as well as amounting to "pillage", which is prohibited by both the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions as well as being a war crime under the Rome Statute.[464]

--- end quoting Wikipedia ---

What AP would like to know is that we often compare foreign countries geography size with a state of the USA. For example, Germany size is often quoted as being the size of Oregon-- not sure if that has changed ever since East Germany was acquired by West Germany.

But what is the size of Israel by a USA State comparison?? Is it the size of New Hampshire? What is the size of West Bank and Gaza strip for Palestinians? When combined is it the size of Vermont?

And what is the size of Israel illegal settlements to date in 2023? Is it the size of Rhode Island, perhaps by now the size of Delaware or Connecticut?

With Illegal Settlement building, it is easy to see that the main and major political thrust and drive of the Israel elected government is to recover all of Ancient Israel, and to push out all Arabs on the land that is Ancient Israel, by hook or crook. And that every election of prime minister in Israel without the voting count of Palestinians of 4.8 million, is only going to be a person who furthers the land grab stealing of making modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel. And those running for office need never say in their campaigns-- our agenda is Ancient Israel restored, never needs mentioning for that is understood in feeling and passion of every Israeli citizen. To the consternation of the UN and western nations pleading for a Two-State Solution. As of October 2023, no Israeli wants a two state solution when they can have a Ancient Israel.

And this is why Voting is the only sensible solution in solving this Conflict. For Voting then denies the insane quest of restoring Ancient Israel to be Modern Israel, as the Palestinian population of 4.8 million versus Israeli 9.7million prevent leaders of Israel doing their land grab agenda.

In fact, I predict that as Voting to all Palestinians and all Israelis, that the Palestinians get so used to having a Israeli prime minister, that they decide to stay with Israel government and not want the Two State Solution. Because a joined in voting Palestinian population benefits from an economic shared Israeli population. Much like the Palestinians that are Israeli citizens living in Israel now.

Voting will free Palestine and end the Israel Palestine Conflict. Vote your way into freedom, peace and everlasting happiness.

In fact, I also predict that as Israel Palestine vote their way into better lives, that the dictators and dictatorial countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia will be so alarmed over the peace and security and happiness that is budding and brewing in Israel-Palestine that they become fearful of voting will take hold in their countries and remove and oust their current dictators.

AP

[Timothy Golden]

Pretty sure Dirac had a special way; somewhat like us. He took shortcuts and flipped things upside down. Being comfortable with a reciprocal was never a problem, was it? As to reciprocity itself: do I anthropomorphize?

Anthropic is as Anthropic does. Picking a booger out of ones own nose is not for everbody to know is it? As to what degree he who shat what, four times daily? Now that would be remarkable. Two at most, I say.

[Timothy Golden]

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 1:11:28 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> it slows finite but it cannot stop...
> Jumping from finite rate to infinite slow time
> is something time math does not do....
> It is standard calculus finite math
> that can't jump to the infinite.
>
> Counting finite you would wait forever
> never reaching the infinite.
>

> Mitchell Raemsch

I very much apologize for getting off of track here. In honor of the OP; Mitch; I'm returning to the top, but am recently reading APs diatribe:

"11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal. But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire. Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun."

I am really appreciating AP's stuff here. Is this really his? I am not saying that I agree with it; only that some of it is a good read. Cheers, AP!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant

[Archimedes Plutonium]

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 4:56:12 PM UTC-5, Timothy Golden wrote:
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 1:11:28 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > it slows finite but it cannot stop...
> > Jumping from finite rate to infinite slow time
> > is something time math does not do....
> > It is standard calculus finite math
> > that can't jump to the infinite.
> >
> > Counting finite you would wait forever
> > never reaching the infinite.
> >
> > Mitchell Raemsch
>
> I very much apologize for getting off of track here. In honor of the OP; Mitch; I'm returning to the top, but am recently reading APs diatribe:

Hi Tim, I appreciate your follow up. I really would not call it a diatribe, but a diaspora of the poor Palestinian people being homeless as Israel continues to steal land rather than their avowed Two State Solution. So the entire world does not have to baby sit Israel with its continual warring started in 1967 with no end in sight. Israel should stop its propaganda of how they are being harassed when they are the harassers of Palestinian people. And whenever anyone tries explaining the Palestinian plight, they are falsely labeled by Israel as --antisemitic.

Let the Palestinian people who are occupied-- let them Vote in every Israel election as the way forward for Peace in that region. When you get war-like fools like Netanyahu in office, you just have more and more killing for the purpose of more and more land stealing. If Palestinians had voted in 2019-- there be no Netanyahu warrior and there be no war of 2023.

Watch I bet Netanyahu wants to bulldoze and scrape all of Gaza into the nearest ocean and them start settlement buildings in Gaza , while the 2 million Palestinians are stranded in northern Egypt.

Israel was never committed to a Two State Solution, no, it was committed to restoring Ancient Israel-- a Greater Israel over all the lands it had in Ancient times-- and to hell to anyone living on those Ancient lands.

> "11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
> We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
> Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
> And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal. But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire. Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun."
> I am really appreciating AP's stuff here. Is this really his? I am not saying that I agree with it; only that some of it is a good read. Cheers, AP!

Cheers to you. Say, Tim, Richard Feynman was scientific and unfortunately was born a Jew. I really hate this idea that some is borne into a religion and not his/her own volition of deciding what their faith is. Sometime in the past history of my Usenet posting I proposed that a person can remove their "Jewish identity of being borne a Jew without that persons consent as they grow into adulthood" remove that ill wanted identity, by having a cell of different genetic material implanted into the body that is benign, and thus able to say-- their mother was not Jewish, and that the person is now FREE, of free will to decide what his her religious beliefs are. No wonder many religions call the Jewish religion a racist religion when they dictate you are one of them when your entire belief system is the opposite.

So, Tim, did Dr. Feynman ever voice concern about the Palestinian-Israel Conflict and give what would be Dr. Feynman's solution of ending that conflict. I would be amazed if he was quiet about that issue.

Perhaps one of his books he wrote has clues to his feelings and thoughts of the Israel Palestine Conflict.

AP

[Timothy Golden]

Well: they are branches only, and sadly branches from one and the same. Who ever thought it righteous to send the Africans back to their homeland as if it were some righteous cultural accomplishment? Shall we try the same on Europeans? As an American mutt I can say these things without the air of some pure bred neonazi. That religion is tantamount to racism: this fact is buried in the exclusivity of these belief systems. These flavors of theirs make them what they are. To lambaste the chosen people as a flop and a failure means what exactly to the Christians? That they are a false shard of a false shard of a false shard? Or did they come true; so true that their own splinters lay before us maybe several hundred fold. Good luck to Peano on this one.

[Physfitfreak]

On 10/24/2023 3:25 PM, Timothy Golden wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 3:46:12 PM UTC-4, Jim Pennino wrote:
>>
>>>
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>> you struggle to understand The Little Engine that Could and

Hehe :) So that's how the trauma began in that son of a bitch.


Little Jim: maammmaa aa .. red .. "Little Engine that Could" aa .. van
.. tu .. bekom.. enjeniyya

Mom: Shut up you ugly little asshole-faced thing there.

Little Jim: daaaddddy .. aa .. van .. tu .. bekom.. [interrupted]

Dad: Shut the fuck up and GO TO BED RIGHT NOW.

Little Jim cries and tells to himself quietly: "aa .. vantu .. bekom ..
enjeniyyah.. aaaahhh .. aaaahhh ..." :-((

And we had to suffer this lobotomized piece of pure annoyance for
decades, as a result.

Screw you and the parents who raised you like this. I hope they're at
least dead :) Die off this forum fast, like "Whodat" did.

[Timothy Golden]

I owe AP an answer to his question here. That he will even speak to me I find enticing. Feynman claimed a completely fearless attitude toward physics. I find myself in fear of physics on at least a weekly basis; possibly even daily. Each day we survive can be viewed as an accomplishment. Chaching.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

Fearless people are not always moral people.
Feynman hijacked Einstein's GR by replacing
contractile curvature; being equal; with an
inner drop of to zero strength at the center
of a gravity field.

If you believe in a Black Hole? how does
its inner gravity drop off? as Feynman
would have it?

[Timothy Golden]

Well, and wouldn't you think that I guy like that would have the tenacity to apply the same accelerational principles to charged bodies as were done to gravity. Probably if we had him in his office hours he could go on for a half hour before we got a word in edgewise. Classical gravitation and charge dynamics follow the same equation; with the exception that gravity is one-signed, whereas charge is two-signed. That's staying within classical interpretation, and should we introduce a neutral unobservable in there then we will be off by one. I am guilty I think of this same sin as the real valued sinners. God forgive us all. And dog, too.

I think we can happily rest on the firm realization that physics is still an open problem. It is a book only half written, with blank pages at the back, and likely more than just typos in the front.

The idea that we are participating in the progression here is admirable. That here we have an open system; provably so by the sheer quantities of doggy doo on the soles of our shoes... sure it stinks, but it is rich, too. Put it at the foot of your rose bushes and watch the bloom. Don't slip.

Polysign numbers have some peculiarities, including their geometrical beginnings, whereby the ray rules sufficient, and dimensional collapse arguably occurs in P4+. If physical space is in fact P4, and P4 does actually already have a strong rotational disc and bidirectional rays emanating from it, each being a form of that dimensional collapse; on the one hand flattened to a pancake versus on the other hand scrunched to a line; anyway to claim that some correspondence already does exist between P4 and the black hole is arguable. I don't generally make such a big claim as this, but its presence is difficult to avoid. For instance in P4 we have:

( - 1 + 1 )( + 1 # 1 ) = 0

and so there lays a complete cancellation; one of these components (+1#1) being along the embedded real line (embedded P2, or I believe P2subP4 in Kujonai's language, within polysign), and the other: -1+1 being in the plane( embedded P3 or P3subP4) somewhat explaining this result.

Ultimately a general dimensional approach wdill take a greater appreciation, as for instance there is a P2subP3subP4 if you like it. Ultimately we see
P1 P2 P3 | P4 ...
is the structure of spacetime, and unidirectional time as P1 is what used to be called a 'dead ringer' though this langauge sounds a bit inverted. I would prefer that it be seen as a live ringer. And of course the theft of the pretty terminology of the ring within mathematics as taken I find completely unacceptable along with a trove of stale usages.

[mitchr...@gmail.com]

How can gravity go away at the center of its field...?
There is more weight by equal gravity in inner field...
Feynman's less weight does not qualify.