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Now he had an idea and spent the weekend mulling it over. “When I came
back to work on Monday, I sat down and wrote a new paper as fast as I
could,” he recalled in an interview last week.
“I thought it was very important. I had knocked a hole in the existing
theorems and suggested an alternative.”
Higgs got into print in just 11 days but was largely ignored. So he
rapidly wrote a second paper. He sent it to an editor at the European
Organisation for Nuclear Research, known as Cern, only to have it
dismissed as out of hand. “I was indignant,” said Higgs, “but I also
thought I was right, so I set to work to spice it up.” He added a
final paragraph setting out how his theory predicted the existence of
an entirely new type of tiny particle called scalar and vector bosons.
To particle physicists, it was revolutionary. Although impenetrable to
laymen, such theoretical research has many benefits, if only because
it is tested by machines that push science into new realms. The spin-
offs from Cern, for example, include the internet, medical scanners
and, more recently, new cancer therapies.
What Higgs had done was to predict how matter could acquire mass –
which we perceive as weight.
This was a problem that had baffled scientists and Higgs’s solution
brought him fame beyond the dreams of most physicists. However, it was
a bittersweet triumph: the pursuit helped ruin his personal life,
which in turn sent his research career into limbo.
Only now, 44 years on, is he about to find out whether it was all
worth it. On September 10, scientists at Cern will switch on the Large
Hadron Collider (LHC), the most powerful “particle-smasher” built, to
test Higgs’s ideas. If it finds the tiny particles he predicted, it
will confirm that our understanding of the structure of the universe
is on the right track. If it fails, it will raise even greater
questions.
Mike Jr.
Right or wrong, the question was worth asking. We learn even when we
prove a hypothesis false because this leads us to new hypotheses and
new key questions.
--Mike Jr
greysky
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4547511.ece
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So Cern detcts Higgs particles and somehow alters the way they interact with
local matter. Instantly everything within a ten kilometer radius around Cern
either weighs either zero kilograms and flies off into space, or a trillion
Kg. cm^3 and falls into itself to become a BH, which promptly eats the rest
of the planet... either way achieving results neither crash dieting or binge
eating could not. :)
socratus
On September 10, scientists at Cern will switch on the Large
Hadron Collider (LHC), the most powerful “particle-smasher” built, to
test Higgs’s ideas. If it finds the tiny particles he predicted, it
will confirm that our understanding of the structure of the universe
is on the right track. If it fails, it will raise even greater
questions.
In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him to understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists:
' Bomb them stronger'.
And physicists created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum,
in hoping to understand their inner structure.
And they were surprised with the results of this bombing.
Several hundreds of completely new strange particles appeared.
They lived for a very little time and do not relate to our world.
Our Earth needs another constants of nature.
But physicists are proud of their work. They say:
we study the inner structure of the particles.
The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicists think, that an accelerator is first of all
the presence of huge energy. And the Devil laughs.
He knows that an accelerator is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity an infinite variety of particles is contained .
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
==============
E. Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I will dig out a hole of 1 meter width
and 1,20 m depth. It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I will begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin to drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
===================================
Imagine a man who breaks watches on a wall.
And then he tries to understand their mechanisms by
collecting the cogwheels, springs and small screws,
that have been scattered everywhere.
What are his chances of a successful reconstruction?
As many chances as there are scientists who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electrons by smashing them in accelerators?
=============.
Androcles
"greysky" <gre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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scanners
and, more recently, new cancer therapies", and above all, fucking bullshit
from
journalists.
BradGuth
> <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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It'll make lots of antimatter. (the essential core of a BH)
~ BG
Uncle Al
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4547511.ece
[snip]
> What Higgs had done was to predict how matter could acquire mass –
> which we perceive as weight.
[snip]
Mass, not weight.
1) The Standard Model is massless and all entities propagate at
lightspeed.
2) (1) has empirical falsifications.
3) Curve fit by explicitly inserting more than a dozen paritcle
masses plus the Higgs mechanism.
Therefore, real world at LHC,
4) No Higgs,
5) No SUSY.
6) Write better theory
--
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strabo
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> As Einstein suggested, it's all a matter of time.
He may well have suggested no such thing.
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"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:48A9A34E...@hate.spam.net...
> knews4...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4547511.ece
> [snip]
>
>> which we perceive as weight.
> [snip]
>
> Mass, not weight.
>
> 1) The Standard Model is massless and all entities propagate at
> lightspeed.
Al, I really don't know enough about this, but doesn't the Standard Model include a discription of interactions between particles
with mass (that thus move at less than light speed) ?
Wasn't it that the Higgs boson fits in the Standard Model (as derived from it), but we have (so far) no empirical evidence of it's
existence.
> 2) (1) has empirical falsifications.
Can you give an example of that ?
> 3) Curve fit by explicitly inserting more than a dozen paritcle
> masses plus the Higgs mechanism.
>
> Therefore, real world at LHC,
>
> 4) No Higgs,
> 5) No SUSY.
>
> 6) Write better theory
Are you saying that the you do not expect the Higgs boson to be found ?
If that happens, it would surely be a big set-back for the Standard Model, and it would surely raise many new questions about how
Nature works...
This quest is truely exciting. I'm really curious what they will find.
BretC...@peoplepc.com
> > masses plus the Higgs mechanism.
>
> > Therefore, real world at LHC,
>
> > � 4) No Higgs,
> > � 5) No SUSY.
>
> > � 6) Write better theory
>
> Are you saying that the you do not expect the Higgs boson to be found ?
>
> If that happens, it would surely be a big set-back for the Standard Model, and it would surely raise many new questions about how
> Nature works...
>
> This quest is truely exciting. I'm really curious what they will find.
Get on one of those anexoric diets. You can live to be 100 on a low
calorie diet.
Bret Cahill
Y.Porat
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4547511.ece
>
> Now he had an idea and spent the weekend mulling it over. “When I came
> back to work on Monday, I sat down and wrote a new paper as fast as I
> could,” he recalled in an interview last week.
>
> “I thought it was very important. I had knocked a hole in the existing
> theorems and suggested an alternative.”
>
> Higgs got into print in just 11 days but was largely ignored. So he
> rapidly wrote a second paper. He sent it to an editor at the European
> Organisation for Nuclear Research, known as Cern, only to have it
> dismissed as out of hand. “I was indignant,” said Higgs, “but I also
> thought I was right, so I set to work to spice it up.” He added a
> final paragraph setting out how his theory predicted the existence of
> an entirely new type of tiny particle called scalar and vector bosons.
> To particle physicists, it was revolutionary. Although impenetrable to
> laymen, such theoretical research has many benefits, if only because
> it is tested by machines that push science into new realms. The spin-
> offs from Cern, for example, include the internet, medical scanners
> and, more recently, new cancer therapies.
>
Higgs didnt have to predict it
do youk now why ?
BECAUSE MASSLES PARTICLES
WHERE DEAD BY ARRIVAL LONG AGO !!
massless particles where born by stupid mathematicians
that had not the basic understanding of the nature of matter !!
-------------
2
the Higgs boson a s described of sometimes having mass
and sometimes not will never be found
because there is no and will never be such animal !!
3
the chance is that LHC will find is ---
the 'Circlon '
a basic particle that moves naturally in closed circles
(if not disturbed on its way !!!
ATB
Y.Porat
----------------------
Y.Porat
> knews4u2c...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4547511.ece
>
> [snip]
>
> > What Higgs had done was to predict how matter could acquire mass –
> > which we perceive as weight.
>
> [snip]
>
> Mass, not weight.
>
> 1) The Standard Model is massless and all entities propagate at
> lightspeed.
> 2) (1) has empirical falsifications.
> 3) Curve fit by explicitly inserting more than a dozen paritcle
> masses plus the Higgs mechanism.
>
> Therefore, real world at LHC,
>
> 4) No Higgs,
> 5) No SUSY.
>
> 6) Write better theory
>
> --
> (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/lajos.htm#a2
----------------
well said Uncle !!
Y.Porat
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"socratus" <isra...@bezeqint.net> wrote in message
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knews4u2c...@yahoo.com :
>On September 10, scientists at Cern will switch on the Large
>Hadron Collider (LHC), the most powerful “particle-smasher” built,
to
>test Higgs’s ideas. If it finds the tiny particles he predicted, it
>will confirm that our understanding of the structure of the universe
>is on the right track. If it fails, it will raise even greater
>questions.
>==============.
Watch it, it would be a waste, Eistein flunked his high school, and
he was a robber of a jewish inventor's idea to split a Uranius. At
that time she was suppressed by Nazi regime, she couldn't continue
her work, Eistein knew her, copied her idea then claimed it was his
idea. His theory of relativity doesn't work on micro matter but nor
Marco matter. That's why scientist think there must be another
theory, they call it "String theory"
Any way, after successfully demonstrate a Nuclear bomb (that Eistein
stole from a jewish inventor), he lied to the world saying the
Universe was created by a big bang. Some scientists say No, if it
was true then why the direction of the star movement did not support
his theory? Today I tell you, Eistein is a double-flunk student if
CERN is failing. You monkey people worry too much for nothing.
I wasn't born with English, I was born with science.
R...@spamblock.panix.com
> Today I tell you, Eistein is !a double-flunk student if
> CERN is failing. You monkey people worry too much for nothing.
Einstein is a stupid plagaruist! Einstein is WRONG but the Scientist
is the LIAR!
Hagar
> news:7ce82e4d-b886-4ddd...@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4547511.ece
>
> Now he had an idea and spent the weekend mulling it over. "When I came
> back to work on Monday, I sat down and wrote a new paper as fast as I
> could," he recalled in an interview last week.
>
> "I thought it was very important. I had knocked a hole in the existing
> theorems and suggested an alternative."
>
> Higgs got into print in just 11 days but was largely ignored. So he
> rapidly wrote a second paper. He sent it to an editor at the European
> Organisation for Nuclear Research, known as Cern, only to have it
> dismissed as out of hand. "I was indignant," said Higgs, "but I also
> thought I was right, so I set to work to spice it up." He added a
> final paragraph setting out how his theory predicted the existence of
> an entirely new type of tiny particle called scalar and vector bosons.
> To particle physicists, it was revolutionary. Although impenetrable to
> laymen, such theoretical research has many benefits, if only because
> it is tested by machines that push science into new realms. The spin-
> offs from Cern, for example, include the internet, medical scanners
> and, more recently, new cancer therapies.
>
> which we perceive as weight.
>
> This was a problem that had baffled scientists and Higgs's solution
> brought him fame beyond the dreams of most physicists. However, it was
> a bittersweet triumph: the pursuit helped ruin his personal life,
> which in turn sent his research career into limbo.
>
> Only now, 44 years on, is he about to find out whether it was all
> worth it. On September 10, scientists at Cern will switch on the Large
> Hadron Collider (LHC), the most powerful "particle-smasher" built, to
> test Higgs's ideas. If it finds the tiny particles he predicted, it
> will confirm that our understanding of the structure of the universe
> is on the right track. If it fails, it will raise even greater
> questions.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> So Cern detcts Higgs particles and somehow alters the way they interact
> with local matter. Instantly everything within a ten kilometer radius
> around Cern either weighs either zero kilograms and flies off into space,
> or a trillion Kg. cm^3 and falls into itself to become a BH, which
> promptly eats the rest of the planet... either way achieving results
> neither crash dieting or binge eating could not. :)
All scientific endeavors usually have secondary spin-offs, which are then
used
to make human lives easier. If they cannot detect the Higgs particle, I
hope that
at a minimum they will discover a way to produce Saran Wrap which does not
stick to itself when pulled off the roll. In fact, the resolution of this
pesky problem
should have taken precedence over sending probes to Mars to look for water.
hones...@centurytel.net
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HJ
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Yea, he is a faggadocious kind of gaymer ....
BradGuth
> greysky wrote:
> > <knews4u2c...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
And with truth-lag exceeding a century, it'll only take us another
thousand years to advance by 10, that is if we don't first mange to
create WWIII or otherwise traumatize mother Earth to death in the
process of having been telling such mainstream lies upon lies (aka
same result as truth-lag).
Our most recent decade worth of excluding evidence has already set us
back by more than another century, from which there may not be enough
Einstein time, terrestrial resources or hard earned loot in order to
salve ourselves or that of our frail environment without the
collateral damage and carnage of more than a billion innocent souls.
“So Cern detcts Higgs particles and somehow alters the way they
interact with
local matter. Instantly everything within a ten kilometer radius
around Cern
either weighs either zero kilograms and flies off into space, or a
trillion
Kg. cm^3 and falls into itself to become a BH, which promptly eats the
rest
of the planet... either way achieving results neither crash dieting or
binge
eating could not. :)” / greysky
We should be so lucky to go out in less than a Cern flash, at least
our national debt of $54 trillion and counting will get eliminated,
and perhaps mostly Cern antimatter gets created, and that’s got to be
good for something.
~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth