How 3D holograms work

[Sam Wormley]

How 3D holograms work
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ics3RVSn9w

> Holograms are photographic recordings of 3D scenes. Unlike a camera,
> which captures one view through a small viewer focused by a lens,
> holograms capture an entire light field which allows them to recreate
> the 3D scene. Shimmery 2D projections, like pre-recorded Pepper’s
> ghost illusion, are often confused with 3D holograms.
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[ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com]

Sam Wormley <swor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How 3D holograms work

Pretty well for about a half century now, spamming shit head.

Yet another puff piece filler article about ancient technology the
shit head thinks is news.

Have you ever wondered what your life might have been like if you had
the competence to do more than just copy the words of others, spamming
piece of shit?

--
Jim Pennino

[Lofty Goat]

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 00:38:31 +0000, jimp wrote:

> Pretty well for about a half century now, spamming shit head.

You'd be surprised by how many people haven't a clue what a hologram
actually is, or how or why they work. E.g. the misconception that if one
cuts a hologram in half it retains all its original information....

[ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com]

There are also people who can't make change without equipment.

This isn't grade school, no matter how hard the spamming shit head trys
to make it so.


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Jim Pennino

[john]

Trys?
:)
How did you get that by your
spell-checking equipment?

[benj]

On 10/25/2015 07:27 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> How 3D holograms work
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ics3RVSn9w
>
>> Holograms are photographic recordings of 3D scenes. Unlike a camera,
>> which captures one view through a small viewer focused by a lens,
>> holograms capture an entire light field which allows them to recreate
>> the 3D scene. Shimmery 2D projections, like pre-recorded Pepper’s
>> ghost illusion, are often confused with 3D holograms.

Sam, like most of Lib PBS garbage this screed explains nothing. Is a
bunch of word salad that simply confuses the information and stupidly
includes simple prismatic tricks like Pepper's Ghost having nothing to
do with the subject at hand. What a shameful exhibition for PBS, for
Physics girl (who is usually far more intelligent) and for you a
spamming moron. The public needs to understand that Lefty Libs and
especially Lefty Lib journalists haven't a clue about any science and
are only good at fantasy and lies.



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[Y.Porat]

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wonderful
yet it can be useful in 3 D models of the Atom and nuc

so
let them start doing it on the historic revolutionary
Y.Porat Model
it can ease much the understanding of that Model

TIA
Y.Porat
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[trudi.s...@gmail.com]

To all those that do not understand what Sam Wormley is doing by his cutting and pasting, he is trying to
1. make you "think about the topics" and
2. start a discussion about them.
You clearly show your arrogance and ignorance when you keep on giving the same old response to his different posts. Are you really expecting a different response from him. If yes, then by some definition I read sometime ago, you are idiots.
andrew vecsey

[Wally W.]

On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 01:55:20 -0700 (PDT), trudi.s...@gmail.com
wrote:

>On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 12:27:43 AM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> How 3D holograms work
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ics3RVSn9w
>>
>> > Holograms are photographic recordings of 3D scenes. Unlike a camera,
>> > which captures one view through a small viewer focused by a lens,
>> > holograms capture an entire light field which allows them to recreate
>> > the 3D scene. Shimmery 2D projections, like pre-recorded Pepper's
>> > ghost illusion, are often confused with 3D holograms.
>> --
>>
>> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
>> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
>> community, and physics-related social issues.
>
>To all those that do not understand what Sam Wormley is doing by his cutting and pasting, he is trying to
>1. make you "think about the topics" and
>2. start a discussion about them.

He seems to have little interest in participating in such discussions.

Posting to start a discussion between others is trolling.

>You clearly show your arrogance and ignorance when you keep on giving the same old response to his different posts. Are you really expecting a different response from him. If yes, then by some definition I read sometime ago, you are idiots.

Someone might think he delights in the displeasure he provokes.

What to you call him?

>andrew vecsey

[john]

At least it's better than "werewolves of London"

[Sam Wormley]

On 10/26/15 3:55 AM, trudi.s...@gmail.com wrote:
> To all those that do not understand what Sam Wormley is doing by his copy and pasting, he is trying to

> 1. make you "think about the topics" and
> 2. start a discussion about them.
> You clearly show your arrogance and ignorance when you keep on giving the same old response to his different posts. Are you really expecting a different response from him. If yes, then by some definition I read sometime ago, you are idiots.
> andrew vecsey

That is exactly right.
Thanks, Andrew.

[Sam Wormley]

On 10/26/15 6:38 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> He seems to have little interest in participating in such discussions.

I participate in scientific discussions.

[Mahipal]

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 11:15:50 AM UTC-4, Sam Wormley wrote:
> On 10/26/15 6:38 AM, Wally W. wrote:
> > He seems to have little interest in participating in such discussions.
>
> I participate in scientific discussions.

Got proof?

Sure you do Sam. It must be all them insightful in invisible ink stealth
Usenet posts you make hourly by Cut&Pasting while your hyena personas
defend you for contributing absolutely nothing. Dream on Sam!

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[ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com]

Spell checkers are for wussies and proof reading is for things that are
important.

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[ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com]

trudi.s...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 12:27:43 AM UTC+1, Sam Wormley wrote:
>> How 3D holograms work
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ics3RVSn9w
>>
>> > Holograms are photographic recordings of 3D scenes. Unlike a camera,
>> > which captures one view through a small viewer focused by a lens,
>> > holograms capture an entire light field which allows them to recreate
>> > the 3D scene. Shimmery 2D projections, like pre-recorded Pepper's
>> > ghost illusion, are often confused with 3D holograms.
>> --
>>
>> sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated
>> to the discussion of physics, news from the physics
>> community, and physics-related social issues.
>
> To all those that do not understand what Sam Wormley is doing by his cutting and pasting, he is trying to
> 1. make you "think about the topics" and
> 2. start a discussion about them.

Nonsense; the spamming shit head will NEVER discuss anything.

If one attempts to engage the ass hole in discussion, the only response
from the ass hole will be to repeat it's original cut and paste.


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Jim Pennino

[ji...@specsol.spam.sux.com]

Sam Wormley <swor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/26/15 6:38 AM, Wally W. wrote:
>> He seems to have little interest in participating in such discussions.
>
>
> I participate in scientific discussions.

Sure you do, ass hole, by repeatedly cut and pasting the same thing over
and over again.


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Jim Pennino

[Kcir]

What do we know?
We know that the general public redefines terms all the time.

No one has copyritten the term holograph and Microsoft did not successfully claim the word
Window as a trade name.
Nor were they able to coyright the word window.

So the general public does not care what you call a hologram they see a hologram as
anything that looks, like a hologram, so why confuse the general public when its easier
for scietists to say ok, hologram 1 and hologram 2.

So what is hologram 2 a family of refective type images.

You can look at plexiglass and forget it is like a mirror.

SO ok, I since invented a proper holographic display that does not use the normal two separate
eye vision goggles.

What is it and how does it work?

Well here is an example fo a static scene...
http://www.imagebam.com/image/accb18441775378

So experimenting with a plexiglass 3 sided pyramid I decided it wasn't going to
work what they had been doing in youtube. The smart phone little pyramid holograms were
merely 4 refections of 4 sides of a jellyfish as an example and thats not a real hologram because it
stills has no depth.
It has no z component in the singla all pixels z = 0

Enlarge it and it enlarges flat z still equals zero, as in 10x z=0 z=0

So in that refflection there is a z component because it is refecting the table top,
the table top from our front view has depth, there is a LED projector shining through the
plexiglass and hoitting the table, diffusing on the cloth, getting more z compnent from the depth
of the cloth off the table top, and look into the plastic, see a proper reflection that has depth.


Have to get a coffee to be continued

[Kcir]

Having trouble with the newsreader still but thats to be expected when you get tools
that beong to someone else and you then have to modify them so bear with...
No spell checker yet either in Wnvn so again just bear with.

I have to be my own secretary because my secretary is now a billionaoire.
And too busy.

So ok, what I did when I invented this display.

So what was our larger goal? To make INternet II because we have been waiting for
each other to make it for 10 or more years and no one has done it.

So then people forget about that goal and don;t really care. So then we still need to
upgrade our pc's and they have reached a zenith. So what is our next best option
then? To use supercomputers that we pay to access.

So then what is a good way to do that through the internet?
Not as good as a library. WHy noty a cafe? They cost 100 million dollars still for a good
one. So you need giovernment funding and science funding and community funding
like for a library or arena or that sort of community effort to raise a hundred million
dollars.
So big cities but what about small ones? When the price comes down or when the
G20, with its forward thinking atitude towards tech and progress may invest globally
in 100 science centers that could double as libraries.
If we design a suitable communal computer which we have been working on.
As an example the torus rings here are virtual environments like a Veldt in sci fi.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/8de5b2440509089

In the center the supercomputer would be housed and water cooled.
They use a great deal of power too so they need to be continually improved that way
so at first we may not be abl eto use Titans, but will probably have to go for something
that uses less electricity.
Unless you put a nuclear power plant in that building or close by and that today is a
constly venture that would take years to acomplish.

What about modern HHO systems they would generate DC current not AC amounts
like that which need Niagara falls.

So lets not get crazy with this stuff until they can engineer a proper unit, so we
delegate right? And ewe expect the experts there to give us a unit that we can use.

So what else do we need? We need holographic displays around the inside of those
tubes so you walk, to stay fit, and you look at exhibits and they change as you walk
and you can walk forever and may never see the same exhibit hypothetically.

So we delegated that. And then they couldn;t complete so I took a look and found the
problem and fixed the problem and invented the display.

So now I have to put my own name on it so I did and called it the Sobie effect and
documented it while I invented it here. Then I protected my priority in youtube and
started a snadbox on myself as discoverer or inventor and then moved on.
Since you cannot copyright or patent an idea or the science.

So then like Tesla or Edison, inventors then take the science and make a product that
CAN be patented. But that stifles the industry so I am just spreading the technology
so people will not stand in the livingroom and admiore the display, they will admire
what is ON the display.
smoke break be right back.

[Kcir]

SO yes they dropped the ball in the display department and I recorvered the ball
like a good shortstop should so lets not stand around patting the shortstop on the back
lets get back on track and get this done.

So then rather than wait for Tesla or Edison to reincarnate I invented the display to save some time.

So then I contacted the last guy who used micromirrors and he told me his story his Edison story and
it took him 13 years and he had to take out 500 patents. Since you have to patent in different
countries and all associated processes so that a competitor does not patent one of your assembly line
processes then forcing you to stop at a block wall.
Which they can do.
Since the patent holder has priorty.

But to be a patent holder you have to qualify your invention.
And in this case it is not secret and soon many many people will
know how to do it and it will be too obvious
to claim a patent and I have priority and only the inventor
can patent or assign the rights in North America.

So I am also clearly an expert on the subject and if in the opinion
of the expert it is obvious, then it cannot be patented also.

Globally for science and tech joibs it is essential we build these
devices quickly without patents so that like the pc people can make
them themselves to suit.

So the mechanics I had to invent so first you need to know the theory
behind the Sobie Effect.

So then if the signal being reflected into the plexiglass has a z component that is in
p.x=10
p.y=10
p.z=10
these refect a distance from some universal center or from top left of the display
x going across in catresian coordinates, then y vertical up and down, then z
being the depth towards you or away from you.

So withp we have located a point in space that is 10 over, 10 down and 10 back.

So then to give that object some dimensionality we need to give it width
and height and depth.
So width=20
Height=20
depth=20

So now we have a cube in space.
And we know where its corner is by p the p point which
records positioning in our space-time box display.

So we know that a mirror reflects in 3D because physical reality has depth
and the light hits the surface at varying distances from the mirror surface
and transmits those depth perceptions into the eye.
To recreate that effect then in a display we prefer to use plexiglass which
can make the imge clear with a good light source like lap top screen or projector.
And yet it can still be seen through and may not reflect the room behind the observer.
Or the workings in the display box where the light source is.

The light source being any signal that you intend to be a hologram inside teh display.

So it can be from a computer aor a projector or similar including just
shining light off of objects
So we understand the algenra and the geometry.
So then our bitmap would have p points as pixels and each pixel would have
an x a y and z and the mirror box will recreate that z value by selecting the
correct mirror which corresponds with the proper depth in the image.

So to accomplish that, you need to position the mirror box where it can
shine into the plexiglass.

Then you can see that the mirrors are at varying distances from the plexiglass face.
The distance from the face being the z axis.
Or the z line.

So then we need to picture how this works so I made a couple drawings...
First though lets look into the display and see the lap top screen as a flat
screen without a z component z=0 then look in the foreground and see an
image projected onto a roll of paper towels which has geometry and a z
component and then you can see the depth in the display.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/7e7761442211346

Ok now to illustrate how the mirriors have to work to get the laptop to
have a z component in the signal that is not z= 0 we have to make mirror sheets.

And then stack those mirror sheets so you have a cube displ;ay size. Any
dimensions you want.

So while I get a bite to eat you can look at these and imagine that we are going
to use mirrors to skin a roll of paper towels standing on end, and it is pink so it
could represent a neck in the most base form.

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/do8eqiiwwyhfb1lankopnnm8by8qehhs

So have a look at those to see how the mirrors flip to take on the shape of
the surface of the geometry as topography.

[Kcir]

This retarded editor is driving me nuts but you know
its like a piece of stuff in teh garage that will soon go into
something else and it is finely made of brass and is a precision
instrument, it is just not calibrated.

So bear with, because right now, it is in the garage on the floor.
Winvn.

Ok so you see from the image of the mirror sheet...
http://www.imagebam.com/image/d27f7e443653864

That we can turn mirrors on edge to hide them and turn mirrors
on the flat to reflect the tyopology of the surface.

If the signal is a lap top screen, then it is already a diffuse signal and
we use mirrors.
If the signal is a projector like an LED projector of the same content,
we use white surfaces to diffuse the light.

So then the white reflects like a mirror.

In both cases what we are doing is providing a signal with a z
component, in this case an artificial one from teh lap top, so the sheets
use mirror surfaces not white.
So then the signal coming from the lap top has x and y, the file though
has x and y and z, so the two displays are used simulttaneously, and
the lap top produces the x and y data and sends the z data to the
mirror controller.
The mirror controller selects which mirror in the same way you
position a pixel.

So then until people can make sheets that have hi resolution,
and they may do that by making wide gaps between sheets, and tall
thin mirrors, then again, lense out the cards.
So the image in transit through the box is tall and then repaired by
lensing.
So that the engineering is easier accomplished.
So then you may need to turn the box so that the corner is facing the
plexiglass.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/d769e3443653867

To make a more round edge since you will need to pixelate spatially,
and put more than one pixel per mirror.

The image is still hi res, but the spacial look is blockish.
But its still usable and to a high degree because all mesh objects
without skin are blockish.
more to come...

[Kcir]

So just like mesh objects when skinned and moving they
hide their blockiness to the point where a compromised
is reached between the power of the pc and the quality of
the image.
In this case the image is there but the mirrors will take
time to make properly so that each pixel can have a
mirror like in projector micro-mirrors which must hit a
colorwheel one mirror per pixel.

So then as far as teh lap top is concerned it is using two
displays. The software knows the image is 3D, the lap top
don't care. It is sending the same signal to both displays
using its device driver to get the addresses of the memory
blocks.
Then it sends data to those memory blocks.
So then the mirror box needs a controller and it looks at
this as a block of pixels that has x,y,z coordinates.
Cartesian coordinates.
And to light up a pixelk, it send it its x,y,z.

The fact that the pixel does not light, does not matter
because it truns from 0 to 1 same thing.
So what might a mirror look like that has to minimum flip
25 times per second to match video frame rates?
Thats not fast, thats a piece a cake.

So we go to 30 minimum, and expect people to want 60 for
slow motion.
So then if we make them tall and thin they will be
structurally strong to turn on their axis and reduce wind
flow disturbance.
So we can make them very thin, which we have to do so
they disappear on edge.
So then it must also be extremely light, so there is no
inertial torque to concern ourselves with. So cheap
p;lastic that is white and some that are reflective like a
chess pawn shape only very very thin but at the base a coil
that contacts the circuit board and the current in the
circuit board flips the mirror by flipping the magnetic
fields bvetween teh coil and the board circuitry.

So the controller does that according to instructions, 0 or
1.

[Kcir]

If you consider how impractical it is to try to make a tiny
coil inside a tiny plastic mirror base that must contact the
circuit board and so there is friction like a brush system like
Tesla argued about.
It will wear out.
So then how do we avoid that? With a speck of permanent
magnet in the base of the mirror.
Then we flip the mirror with current in the circuitboard
and don;t need to have a coil with battery which would be
absurd inthe little pawn type mirror shaft assembly.
Much easier to make the little plastic mirrors and cast them
with a little speck of magnet.
So they will flip and the controller will tell them when with
current zero and one.

So then the little plastic mylar maybe mirrors snap onto a
board and the controller switches them to suit and that
reflection hits the plexiglass and now has a z component
and the display is holographic.

The angle of the box with respect to the display depends on
various factors but getting the workings out of the way
requires shotting head on, but down a bit reflecting up to
the flexiglass. If the mirror box is on corner, the lensing
would still not be. The lensing is still paralell to the display.
If you look at a front view and rotate to a corner the card is
still on the same horizontal plane. You don;t want a corner
of a lense box there, you want a front view through a lens
box there.

[Kcir]

Fairly simple t ounderstand without a great deal of drawings.
So that tells you that to an expert it is obvious and I can easily
impart that information to you and then to you it will also be
obvious.

So then you see how the sheets work and how you need lots of
sheets to make up the height of the display.
And you remove the cards with striped optical plastic lensing
and recreate the dispolay as a relfection in the plexiglass or
flexiglass or magnification glass etc. Once you have a 3D
component in the signal if you magnify the display it will
magnify true to form.
So enlarging the display is easy.
The brightness of the display can mnade so bright you need
sunglasses using a plasma screen or a projector.
Even in bright daylight. Since the plexiglass can also be mirror.

It will still have that depth perception and if you move your
head by gar its goddamn real in there.
I know I have made one and did not use a mirror box I used
props to fake it and one hand held mirror to test the principals
and a magnifying glass to test the zoom, and a LED projectora
nd cloth for texture and bump and tested a lot of different
effects that can be done.

One thing you have to consider with this is since you are not
wearing goggles and you are looking with bot h eyes and see
actual depth it does fool the eye.
Look in a mirror, does that fool the eye?
Nwo imagine that is a display and not a refection and that is
what you are going to be looking at in 10 years time.
Today we are just beginning to do this but now we know how.
Are there fortunes to be made?
Untol;d wealth for many many people.
Those who get busy and have resources or can make mirrors or
sheets or controllers or even software for the display or content
for the display.

[Kcir]

So the little mirrors may be shaped like a pawn only very
skinny for structural strength with a fin.

So then what is the nirror fin going to look like?
Again it has to be thin to turn on edge and has to be strong
to be able to turn quickly against air currents. Will you
need to evacuate the air in teh box? If you do they will work
better. The edge of the mirrors with they flap and cause
blur? Will they be too sharp and cause too much contrast
effects and sharp pixelation?
If you curve them slightly back and round the corners will
that curve catch air on the way back as the mirror pivots?
These are engineering decisions that require examination.
But they won't prevent you from making one now in China
because teh mirrors only have to flip 30 times per second
and they won;t even get warm or make a draft at that speed
in that box which can have two open sides, and the lap top
makes the signal so the mirror box cheap to make.
But the cards have to be thin and the controller has to be
thin or out of the way with a bridge or connection to th
structure where the cards meet the box that holds the
cards, the circuits feed into the box then to the controller.
So the box is also like a card.
And so then does it need power? Yes to flip those mirrors
but it could be DC and the thing powered by the USB port.
Could you sell a million of them?
Windows 10 is all about holography and there are already
more than 100 million WIndows 10 users.
Soon you cold sell a billion of them.
You know the way things go if one person has one?
Everyone wants one for Christmas.
And they will be made in different ways and better and
worse and development will occur by large companies too.
Lets not let that stop progress or tech jobs or our plans for
making the use of supercomputers more available.

[Kcir]

So can we expect then that people in Asia today who are not so
complacent or spoiled or lazy as a result as we in the west are, are
working their little butts off as we speak to make a fortune.
Its easy money with a guaranteed market.
See one, want one. Simple as that.

And I used the analogy of water waves plashing on the plastic. Well
you know how if you take a camera into the water, water will splash
on the lens. In film the waves often splash against the camera and
with this display the face of the plastic that you see equates to that
lens. So then you will see a real life scene as if looking in a mirror or
window to the outside world.
Or to an alien world.

Or to your happy place.

Or to your wife in the bahamas on a photoshoot on the videophone
or your kids. Chances are you don't want to look at anyone else that
way except a loved one. Its too personal.

Hence why videophones never made it big.
So what do people like to use? Texting and intagram.
Instagram has video snap chat and the like ok we are good to go
with content.
You can have a live feed into the box with two camcorders getting
the depth of field or one 3D camcorder. Or even a smart phone that
can scan. Or a professional laser scanned scene that is painted then
by projector and on and on as this art, this science develops into a
new aspect of technology and science.

Why did I invent it? I am into AI, so I am making a genie and have
been working on it for 20 years and I am married to one so I likeit
and she is gorgeous and I want everyone top have one if they can.
My main plan is to make a shopping genie.
So then it has some practical use and can maybe use an automat of
the future but know nutrition better than Carter knows pills and
know my vitals even some day and know a lot in real time that
myself or any housewive could never know in real time for herself
or her family.

[Kcir]

If the Discovery Channel cannot understand that which I
have imparted here today, then it is not I whom have
failed but the education system as a whole.
Using no complicated math, and simple drawings, and
mere x,y,z terminology a laptop, a piece of plexiglass
some mirror or white painted reflective surfaces some
cards a controller a USB port and some plastic lens
sheets, one front one back.

If you want to see complicated then imagine the color
wheel of a projector. And hopw many colors are in that
signal. Thats complicated.
What about the inside of a digital camera?
Why not have a little peak inside yet you have done shows
on digital cameras to be sure.
So please enjoy this gift to humanity that it took
countless scientists over the years to make. I finished it,
and others will finish it and on and on as they improve it.
The science of the obvious is not always obvious so how
was it oibvious to me? So many years of graphics
programming teaches you where the light is, why things
are the way they are.
And you will see that your self as you experiment with
modeling software like Cinema 4D or 3D Studio Max, or
Maya or any of the plethora of 3D software packages.
Then there are the posing software and dressing your
characters and animating your scene characters like
animals and birds and using HDRI high definition extra
colorized where beneficial to make it look more real in
the finished display.
lighting and weather and hello Titan, cause as scientists,
we want to know what the weather was like, lets say
25,000 years ago and we want to see the errain around
the south of France and we want to see around Chauvet
cave and them we want to go into Chauvet cave and we
want to be able to use our magnifying glass and would
you believe we can?

[Kcir]

So it works of course even with an analog signal.
Don't spill your coffee because that means there is no limit to the
zoom. It depends on the strength of penetration.

Therefore we move past that one as the Titan team goes into
action to be the best in the world.

And we go back to mass media and general public use and hope
for a library that we can use which will allow us to also benefit
from th is technology. Granted we don't need to look into an
electron microscope. Those that do and chemists and
microbiologists need to stand back with their clipboards and
their own prescription lenses on lest we forget and discuss what
they see with their collegues.
Star this post

[Kcir]

So I want the previous post to stick out a bit in the
thread appearance so I quoted the one before it.
That one is of scientific importance the length and
breadth of that discussion would require math and
such so as to not bog this down I think they know
what I mean there since they know analog means
waves and wave data like laser returns and such.

So then we aren;t that rich we can't afford that level
of zoom yet so we will just think about the library
where we will enjoy what Bejamin Franklin invented
for us. That we almost killed. No need to set them on
fire, we made them obsolete.

So we need to make ammends and give them some of
this technology to encourage people to visit their
public library only now, like a the movie Time
MAchine where the librarian is an AI character who
has control over the system with holography well we
at least will have the holography.
Don't hold your breath on the AI since that too would
bog down this discussion.

Future potentials but the here and now is amazing.

You have seen the latest computer game trailers, and
the graphics in 3D are almost like being there now.
All thats missing is the display.

Well the disply has arrived so should it be like
pacman and be in bars as a bar table and cost a buck?

And take 15 years before you get one into the house?
Or the garage where your buddies can come over
and watch the game in the front row?

Star this one too (sigh)

[Kcir]

In article <20151104-
163305...@Kcir.europe.usenet-access.com>,
he...@my.com says...

>So it works of course even with an analog signal.
>Don't spill your coffee because that means there is no
>limit to the zoom. It depends on the strength of
>penetration.

Like that a smart phone has like Takee.

Ya folla?

Lasers have great ability to bounce of atoms.
Thats what they hit.
If you don't belive me zoom in.

So what about sattelites? Well Arthur might have
something to say about that if he is still alive and can
still speak. Let me check. Nope sadly bit the big one
2008 so I will have to explain for you that any strong
signal could be zoomed in on and even a weak signal
could be magnified or amplified.

That science I may know more about than other people
because they are focussed now on digital and disgital
displays and photons as descreet wave packets.
So the duality is there and obviously quantum discreet
amounts of things are easier to work with however the
wave math is there and works well.
So for that reason since papers will be written and
years of study will into the principles and doctoral
thesises will be written so I am leaving this book open
on our own library table here, and moving my
discussion as to how holograms might help a library.

[Kcir]

I jumped over two major posts. ONe on the benefits to
science and one on the benefits to the superbowl. My
money is on the superbowl for getting things done
first. So you can pay 200 bucks to sit in your garage and
be there. And watch the guys bounce off the seats just
in front of you and hear it in Dolby surround sound
like you were there.

Scientists may need fewer prescription lenses if their
display was better when they looked into a
microscope.

So then what of our library?

Well it could be like this if we wanted it to be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYjFKsJjCP0

[Kcir]

So peak into my lab...

http://www.imagebam.com/image/28ce2144215
2297

LG monitor on the left my usual display, to the
right a piece of plexiglass reflecting a laptop and
in front of that a tablet 3D no glasses from China.
So then its blurry because I am operating the cam
corder with my left hand and jiggling the stuff
while I try to focus on a reflection in plastic when
it wants to focus on the surface of the plastic.
So I also have not spen t a lot of time trying to
impress people I just want to pass on the science.
So here is just another example as I was
working...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=4cxHjsFl17M&feature=youtu.be

[Kcir]

So then if we look at this
http://www.imagebam.com/image/28ce21442152297
The laptop is facing that sheet of plastic in front and
the display is turned away from me the observer in this
view and so the laptop screen is down and facing that
trangualr piece of plastic. DDoes it need to be
triangular? No, I cut it when I was repeating the
existing experiments.
So then the tablet is sitting on the laptop and to look
into the holographic display of course the room
lighting is reflecting off the tablet housing making it
look more 3D than the display itself.
Although this image cannot portray 3D it is a 2D image.

So to understand it all, all you have to do again, is look
into a large mirror and imagine that is the display, not a
reflection once you send the signal correctly through
the box to mirrors.
Start small with projhector and white surface or laptop
with small mirror surface.
Then with experience you will see how to do it so that
the display looks like an image in a mirror.

So will you always want that?
No.

You may opt for a more pretend display or, a displat.
And if it is a displat, you don;t want real goo all over the
plastic. You want it to look a bit fake.

Like this.
So I will show you what I mean by this pretend
instagram image...
This will be myself and Gwendolyn.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b55422441744093

Real but not real.
And in a tube, part of an imagined communal computer
and to the right you can see the trees are a projection
that is cut off for explanation purposes.
So its a Veldt or virtual environment and then displays
can be fake or real.

[Kcir]

So to make the communal computer feasible, those
holographic displays are essential.

Since the transportaion of things costs too much money and
to build a structure to house actual artifacts cost a fortune in
security.

So then the tube structures are ideal and so then how would
you project those trees?

Well the plastic is very thin but it reflects depth, so as long as
the first foreground was proper depth using mirrors in the
floor or ceiling or close by, to get the physical depth needed
for the signal. You see to take a signal like a stream on the
Internet, then to replace the z component of that signal by
physically determining where the light will hit at what
distance from the plastic face sheet, and again by software
choosing the proper depth mirror in the mirror box to
coincide with the file data.
As described in this thread.

So then a projection from a short throw projector plus z
compnent.
Each projector handling a stretch of tube and the display
synchronized. And like film, teradactyls will be flying there
and look real.
To your right if you were me walking, you would see a slight
recess in the wall about 1 foot deep, 6 feet square covered
with a plastic face like a window on a display. INside that
room, which is what it will look like is King Tut's tomb.
It will be recreated and look real as will a myriad of other
archaeological displays.

[Kcir]

What a unique position we are in today, to be able to see into
the future a bit.

We have seen a lot of 3D stuff so at first maybe people even
think such things have existed already and been on TV.
Or even on display at fashion shows etc and the Tupac
hologram.
Again the terminology being the terminology of the masses
and far too confusing to be straightened out.
So a second definition.
But now that you know that we didn;t have the display, until
now when I invented it, at least you know how it works and
how it differes.
You haven;'t seen it but you can look in a mirror.
Can you take a magnifying glass to a mirror and look closer?
Oh yes and keep going until you get to the atomic level where
the reflecting is occurring.
So its depends on the signal what you might send.
Please send everything because teenage boys will spend a
million hours doing every sort of x-ray to the images they
will get from instagram.
That much we know.
What else might we expect?
I f we manage to get this technology into those communal
computers then supercomputer graphics is capable of
putting on theater and shows that would look read. For live
audiences perhaps in a part of the building such as the
tower that is within those torus rings.
Th etorus rings are not circular they are like a track, because
that design has been used since the Greeks and so why
change it.
So then this elongated circle or track chaped torus ring is
designed that way to be more useful such as for games
somewhere or for sports. The track shape for walking in a
museum would require benches. So then teh benches give
away the perpetual nature of the continuous displays.
So you may have to walk through doors, break up the
universe there as you pass into a lounge area, and that might
be a brook with trees and a luch car to your right now
occupying that 6 foot square window.
Go through the doors again and once again you are in
Jurassic park. So then would you allow joggers?
Probabnly not there but elsewhere you might.

So then would you allow people to stop at a display inset, and
change that display? I would.
I would let them do a search and use that display, then when
they leave it reverts back to its timed display sequence that
is on theme with that ring at that time.
So then they are casually pushing baby carriages and kids
are running about harmlessly.
Net result?
Well lets hope they lose a bit of weight.

[Kcir]

As you look in a hand mirror and put it beside your tablet
and look at both screens. Today you would never question
whether or not what you see reflected in that mirror is real.
Tomorrow that will be your display. In a few short years.
Not flat like that hand held mirror because to reproduce
physical refected depth you need some physical refected
depth of mirrors switching in a box as the scene changes
looking like waves when the scene is moving and only partly
switching when the background is static.

Take aphoto, you only need one frame. Which means the
mirrors are at one setting. They don;t need to keep flipping
until you change the image, then they flip once.

Hello China, who loves ya baby.

So then you see how easy this is, to take circboard cards and
attach them to a circuit board wall,. to then put a controller
on that box casing so its not in the view.
Then lense out your cards. The mirrors are so thin they
disappear on edge in the display.

You need to stand back a foot maybe but they disappear.
However development in this area uses 3D graphic objects
since for us, to get actors and dress them up or find props or
even print them with a 3D printer is far more work than just
calling up a program and a file and you;re done.

So of course people have been modeling the universe and
much of it is already done and the best part is they didn;t
stop there they just kept making their own landscapes and
vistas and scenes and characters and wonders to behold.

WOnders so grand that to stand in one of those tubes and
look out at Jurassic park it might be rather impressive.
Without glasses.

So you see how now that a means of making holograms has
arrived and it can be done in real time just as the graphic
capabilities have come of age but then personal computers
met a roadblock of processing power.
Today it is only a hurdle because supercomputing is already
in use and you can render through the net by using a service.
However to be able to go to science center and walk and stop
and be emmersed into different times different lands a
supercomputer doing the work makes that look professional
and the more we use them, the cheaper they get the more
science can again afford them.

Away from the public library, wherever there is a stage you
could put a display.
And of course mall windows and signage.
So we will see some things change liek they did with color
television as compared to black and white.

[Kcir]

So once again if you look at the state of modern computer graphics at 7 minutes in
to this game demo reel...
Well first here is 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2932CQSSw

and here is 2016 look at 6:20
Pause it here and there and have a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaqgMkbc0nE

[Kcir]

So then after seeing that 3D work at 6:20 and on, then how would that be done in a
holographic display that uses mirrorswitching to display actual depth?

Well the imagery is already in perspective view. It looks 3D right now.
Howver when you use the mirrors to give it depth its relational depth.
So things which are in the background would appear flat if they were not painted with
depth perception. So you have different layers to a scene where the foreground moves ata
different speed than the background if you move to the side while viewing the display.
Unlike the game variety such as Duke Nukem of old with front activity and scrolling
houses behind him sort of background on two different scroll speeds to give the
perception of depth.

Well instead you have as many steps as you have mirrors going into z on your sheet.
So if you have 10 mirrors you have 10 layers but the imagery still is independant of the
mirrors so the spacial perception is enhanced by the what we call skin, a covering of
the mesh, the depth perception and bump and effects of the imagery come from the
photographic imagery mapped ointo the surface topology. Inside the modeling software.
The display merely displays the images, and it does so with depth of field since the
program knows the depth of field. It carries that depth and those coordinates right from
the start when you model the first image.
So reproduction in the display as a hologram is more like the entire scene is a hologram,
not a single person on a stage or in a scene.
3D no glasses but not just a bit of depth.

So in a toprus ring 20 feet across, you have a potential dept of setting a box under the floor
maybe 15 feet. So then you have 15 feet into the left hand wall extended by reflection.
So then that gives you a width of 35 feet except on the right where the diplays are you
make that a vertical wall and have room behind it for maintenance and storage and those
shipping containers.

Is 15 feet deep enopugh to portray Jurrasic park and flying teradactyls?
Yes with perspective and proper lighting.
It can just as easily look like 6:20 with you running for your life down the hall in the
middle of mayhem if you wanted to do that.
Most people would want to walk through CHina today, then Japan tomorrow, then Sveden
ya sure via their web cams of the future! Like in a couple years.

[Kcir]

If instead of a library, a well to do farmer bought one torus ring for
his spoiled teenage son to use as a computer and play games
because they are now lets say 5,000 for 10 projectors, a PVC ring
and some plexiglass and cheapo mirror boxes under the floor.
I am exaggerating but maybe not much.

So then the projectors also do the ceiling, the entire torus is now a
half circle around you so the entire surface can be skinned. It just
takes more technical projector know how and lensing.
So its a long ways away from everyone having one in their back yard
yet they will have a display beside their computer display or in the
basement living room or den to use it for most other 3d stuff
including games, its just not as emmersive.

So if that farmer had a spoiled teenage son who was fat he may
think 5,000 and get them guys chasin him in there with their
swords and by gar he may lose weight after. Lets chance it.

[Kcir]

Lets go back to junior's farm for a second where his dad has
spent lets say 50,000 because he is well off and he can;t get his
son out of his room and he is fat.
So he loves games and he sees these ring things and so his son
wants one. He buys him one.
So then th ekid calls his buddies, they have just spent 200 bucks
on a scene play, and the buddies show up for the weekend with
backpacks, and in they go. They can walk for forty miles and the
scene will be different and timed according to their passage. They
can camp and do whatever to integrate their experience with the
dwarves who have taken them captive.
So then you can fill in the details however you want.
And also decide if they too can have swords and if so what good
those might be.

One thing though if you can hike up Kilamanjaro without breakin
a sweat, that might be worth a few bucks.

[Kcir]

So for junior and his pals they have a few holographic options.

One is when they come in right away they are met by your usual
fair maiden, she is a reflection in the wall but looks real, and she
is telling them the start of the tale when she gets captured right
beofre your very eyes! And so now you must march, or your
dream girl gets it.
Or the dog gets it, if you don't care about the dream girl.

So then the next option is that one loveable dwarf character like
well lets use a hobbit like Frodo and we may use a real actor, and
so you merely follow with him on his quest and help him with
advice. So you solve the mysteries for him on route and like
other games he carries out animations based on what you tell
him to do.

So thats option 2 willing victims.
Option 3 is the goggles and a light saber. and at Disney maybe
the course sin;t so track like but has twists and turns and you
run and stop and you fight imaginary creatures and the swcene
itself is a play and maybe you do get into the Milennial Falcon
and maybe it does actually go around a track by having a
connecting rod to some mechanical means whereby its
accelleration you will feel, like a rod under would work but then
you are looking at the track in front of you it runs in so the side
with distractions all around but the horizon line matches the
rod and the rod has a bulb fin on the end to hide and so you are
on teh left, and competitor on the right, and around you go
shooting things that come at you.

By combining a few holographic technologies with real props.

Windows 10 has a blurb out about its holographic goggles and
you can see how they have integrated that with hand waving.

So using virtual weapons is not hard but it has no inertia.
You cannot make even a bit of contact.
Maybe they will vibrate or something who knows.
You could hunt buffalos though and those would fall down, so
running and shooting the evil bastards is you know more about
what we do downtown.
So you want two machine gun shotguns for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8

[Kcir]

Guy stuff. Big toys.

Running with the reptoids.

And of course running and studying history.

You could be in this scene just like these actors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iza1wMzJN_I

[Kcir]

Movies will be made for those rings. And probably a standard
size so you can buyt the DVD.

So then if it is so real that you take a pack with you and you
are in an alien world carrying a weapon that fires and can
shoot monsters, with a guide, sidekcik who is partof the
game even if he doesn't speak English or just tends the
animawhatsits.
You're on a mission or quest and you can shoot things so
junior needs a fridge and a bathroom because he isn;t come
home for a while and be careful when you see him because he
may have lost some weight and be a highly trained ninja
assasin now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpVJgSkGgk

[Kcir]

The problem with goggles and all VR headsets is the motion
sickness. When you play a game your inner ear has problems
making sense of what your eyes are telling it.

So the only solution is to skin the inside of a torus, use the
plastic refective technology for holographics so the walls look
like they go on forever and so does the sky above you.
Now you may have to fake a wall on your right that is a cliff
wall. So ok, now your mechanics are in the floor and on the
right past the cliff wall, and you are running around a
mountain on a cliff and to your left is a cliff drop or not.
The scene changes as you go around.

Lets see what else i can show you quickly without you getting
the impression this is what it will look like, its just an example
quick and dirty...
http://www.imagebam.com/image/512d81440844416

So that on the left could be a permanent residence.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/aa81bf440844460
This could be a private jogging ring for an execute building.
Or as part of the penthouse.
You could imagine being somewhere with birds flying
overhead or planes.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/467b2b440844397
Or teradactyls.
You could hunt dinosaurs and all this without goggles because
all you have to do is software related signalling and the
animated characters go into a different animation sequence.
So the laser or any technology in the weapon tells the
computer where you just shot and if you hit the beast in the
wall, then it triggers the fall down make noise sequence.

So you see for this type of thing you don;t need a
supercomputer. You can do it with normal prpojectors and
plastic but you need the mirror box for 3D or else you do need
goggles.
My suggestion since VR helmets have had every opportunity to
be used is look at the torus ring and do it that way then they
can run and shoot or ride and not get seasick or motion
sickness.

[Kcir]

Having bought a short throw projector for 600 bucks that does 3D with
glasses or red and cyan and used it for 2 years and have had it a massive
screen saize and played games and it was great but the heat for a 12 by
room required air conditioning with that and my water cooled high
power pc which gives offf a bit of heat.
The LED projectors however I think run cooler.

So the scene behind this guy is from teh short throw projector abive his
head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMcC-p2Eo6U

[Kcir]

So then you see the scene they are portraying is an unskilled
production.
The seam in the two images shows they did not do a panarama.

So then you can styill pull back on that projector and it will cover one
quarter of a torus that is 20 feet wide in the tube. And more.

What about the pixels? Well only a digital camera can;t make a huge hi
res image. A rendered movie can be as hi res as the 3 D scene you
make.

So then you maybe need good processing power to render those,
supercomputer service will do it, or in house if you are rich, and then
to bnroadcast a large image and flip it that many times a second like
30 times a second?
Can Windows flip a huge image 30 times a second?
Well the projector has a mirror for every pixel so it doesn't matter
until they put more mirrors. Oddly enough you might be better with
an old projector with film and a lens to match the torus.

But haveing seen the result of expanding that im age remember that
once you have a z component in your signal, that is once you have an
image with depth in your box, you can magnify it. So you can enlarge
your hologram and it will look less pixelated.

The way to do this is to make small onbes and then make larger ones.
The cost of the projectors again is something that is shared by the
community if the communal computer gets built, the cost is shared
among its users.

Or a club one so that they could play games in there and go on
adventures.
Its the only way to get around the sea sickness.
And as you can see in that short throw projector video the projector
knows where the pen is. So you can line up your gun to shoot at the
wall, the projector even knows the line of sight probably but certainly
battery operated signal equipment in the gun could allow
triangulation which would allow the ocmputer to know when you
fired and what you fired at. The gun can be as realistic as you want.

So swords and knives probably not, but guns hell yeah.

What about the ladies?

Well a nice walk in any country garden is a good way to spend an hour
or two when you are exercising.

Or you could do anything else you want including study, be
entertained and of course send the kids in to play.

[Kcir]

So there are a lot of ways to get your 2D image onto a surface first, and
the pixelation or the projector remember that a lot of problems can be
solved with mirrors so here is a guy who makes a short throw projector
for 3 bucks.
nd then once you have that signal, enlarged then it goes through the
mirror box or before. So you see he could be shining into the mirror box
first then behind that a mirror then it hits the plastic with depth, instead
of a flat screen as shown here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM4moEjSyq8

[Kcir]

So if we want to just put reality in a box beside our monitor we can do
that with a mirror box that is the size of the display light box.

That is inside the plexiglass refection is your space-time box.
And it has depth and when you look in it looks real.

Having seen the torus, the idea of pulling out a gun and shooting at that
little box does not sound quite as appealing does it?

That doesn't mean it isn't a very cool toy.
And not that expensive. You can use your laptop reflection.
Go one step further you need maybe a standalone display 3 feet cubed
with a 2 feet cubed display on top maybe inside the cabinet you would
need your two foot cubed mirror box to get the depth reflection and
then you have room to use mirrors creatively to get a display onto
maybe 4 sides of that box.

Go up further and into the garage and so now you have seating like at
the game so the workings may be under the stands. Its gonna take up
most of the garage but you can go there without going there.

Go one larger and you are maybe in Vegas.
Go one larger and maybe you are at Disney.
They already have done concerts in Japan with virtual rock stars.
For us today though the new technology is the thing. Not the thousands
who tried and failed over the years but the time is now that we live in
where we can succeed and make one.

If you wanted to also do the torus or even a section of torus remember
that the content is 3D and modeled and you can adjust all that like
lensing to fit any surface but a smooth regular surface like a torus
ceiling would be good for a sky.

So you see even where mechanically you have trouble placing a
projector, it has abilities to alter the skew of the projection and many
other shape aspects and color aspects and also the software can do a lot
of image shaping and warping to make up for the poor location of
equipment, then mirrors and shaped mirrors for enlarging and
shrinking and lenses for all manner of tasks.

So placing this all together will require a new kind of professional.

[Kcir]

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Donald+Sutherland/Hunger+Games
+Mockingjay+Part+2+World+Premiere/7_hKJYOIiXE

Hey Moriarity! I was looking for Mel to tell him that he was in charge of
supplies. SupliZE!
I remember you in Kelly's heroes and well we have known each other a
long time and thats why you two guys are gang banging my girlfriend on
stage there in Berlin and everyone knows it.
Do you think you should be woried about being replaced by virtual
characters?
I wouldn;t think so.
I think that its not just good looks and charm, its talent.
And thats what Hollywood is all about.

Maybe Mockingjay will play in a tube some day, or something like it.

[Kcir]

Here are some more pictures I took just now inside the torus. I thought I
would map a photo panorama but you notice that when you use a photo your
characters look less real. However in the Torus you might use a movie.
In a small display you might make your own world.
Here is a gallery and I had to adjust the torus half in this image because it
was riding high but I wanted to see if it should an eternal floor end that is to
match up with the terrain or have a little barrier.
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/ph7hremrodgut6fbcvesx3zlpxf8re1g

So in there you can change the scene and its difficult to imagine that you
could be looking into plastic but even if you did not and just projected it onto
the walls it fools the eye in 2D because of the size of the screen.

Actually perfecting the sknning of the torus with a layer of plexiglass on its
inner surface and painted black behind the plastic would take some skill and
techniiques and a learning curve and some practice.
Its easy to imagine but until its done you don;t know the hurdles.

So you may start out not with large vistas, but small venues.
At a bend in the road you may make something but remember that any
physical object you olace inside the ring will take away from its perpetual
nature when you walk around it and the scene changes to match your
journey.
So on the right is all sorts of distractions but that doesn't take away from teh
journey. The view to the left is just toogrand to be dismissed even by the
solid facts on your right. So it ends up looking like a plastic dome and the
world outside the plastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQxdx-
ScCvg&index=58&list=PLF5x5fL-96YXxqZFqNCb1fQ_mRiA4UlAA

[Kcir]

http://www.imagebam.com/image/04e618444947338

So does it make sense to make a virtual Cc by placing this island into my
display box? I would think so.
This island here...
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/ypnr6t1iggrz14yh394q5dngoe3inb7m

And then be able to switch cameras.
So then or fly the camera or rotate the scene.
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/19z3d0skelyqw5hfajgy24vbcm5dag0c

So that would require then building the interior of the tower.
I could not worry about the metal structure too much but put the whole
thing on telescopic pins so that you can add rings if you want. And so it floats
on the pins for earthquake protection and in this case the lower glass has to
be special glass to take tsunami. Only a rich person could afford it but as a
resort it still might pay for itself.
And even if you just did it with projectors available today and used red and
cyan glasses or the shutter glasses or a set of goggles. You could go in and
hunt dinosaurs but nothing like going in and having the real depoth
perception you get in areflection like a mirror.
Now you don;t want to see your own reflection so that is why its plexiglass
with low lighting by comparison where you are, in comparison to the bright
signal. So those projectors work in a brightly lit room.

However getting back to the smaller display that you can make today.
The one that has a static scene.

Well you need only use a piece of plexiglass a table top, some cloth and
cardboard and then shine a photogrash onto the junk on the table and see
the reflection in the plastic at a 45 horizontally, and you will see depth and a
3D diorama scene.
A bush league quick and dirty real to life hologram.
But at least when you program, you will have an idea what to expect.
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/nl0k298qau2pl3lp8o6rm5z9x8a0xsrl

[Kcir]

So what I would suggest then, that what is feasible and advisable if we want
a uniform user interface in that holographic box we make Cc torus rings of
the same basic size and shape in a towere structure.
Like this...
http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/19z3d0skelyqw5hfajgy24vbcm5dag0c

So then you can put it in any scene and the scene is yours but the Cc should
be standard so that anyone visiting you knows what they can or cannot do
in your system.

And so the Cc has a universal type of useage. You can skin the interior and
have holographic displays within this holographic display. The work that
you do there you could then get done in the outside world at some point
and all that development would be worth a fortune. That you did over maybe
a 5 year period.
And you were just making and using and perfecting your interface, yet you
made it feasible to build and since as a visionary, I cannot image any manly
man turning down an opportunty, to go running through a torus ring with
two machine gun shotguns blazing screaming get em hell! While every
manner of horror comes at us.
So I would think its just a matter of time now.

So rather than not have anything to provide or not have Hollywood ramped
up with this new TV, andthis giant sized TV arena, we should probably be
doing both at once.

So if you do then you see inside each ring you can park 10 normal sized
shipping containers. So that gives you close enough dimensioons for a
standard model and you can then create a Torus track that would be
compatible.
Once you have a compatible standard everyone can beam in and enjoy and
you can go there and enjoy and everyone just has to follow the rules.
Maybe you can look outside the torus on a tour (movie) but you have to stay
inside the Cc however you can send a container and live in there if you want
to pay your rent.
and the rest is history.

[Kcir]

And don't think that this can't be done, this is old news now.

This is what it could look like when you step outside your condo
door on a Frday night into the tube and maybe its a bit larger that
the one shown or maybe you live in the tower building and its a
holographic showroom thats huge.
Who knows but the artwork has been there for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdVMGMbSUnI

[Kcir]

So then in your display that is networked you might wonder well how can you keep them in the
Cc and not let them onto your island? Well its just a movie, so they can;t get into a movie.

The actual island is on your other computer. Your laptop or tablet only has the Cc and a movie so
there is nothing to steal.

[Kcir]

So then maybe you are wondering what I meant when I said send a
container to your Cc and then they can live there if they pay their
rent.

If they pay a monthly fee they can use your Cc.

Where can they get a nice container?
Down the raod at Joe's place maybe for 2 bucks.

What will it do?
See Joe.

Or See Thomas Edison beside him someone opened up a shop and
is finishing his unfinished inventions and other is doing Tela
beside him oh this is an inventors workshop torus that you have
subscribed to and look it has a container thats a lawyer and a
patent clerk and Oh My Gawd, no its not Albert, its Lucy! Look!
there! In Oldavai gorge! Someone put on the wrong scenery display
on while the president was walking through!
Computers.

So to make a container it will probably be software and probably be
hobby related. I would think. And it better be so easy to use that
the guy who is at college because he is a linebacker can use it with
a mouse AND wants to.
The screen might even be touch sensitive but who wants chocolate
fingers all over their screen?
So if people move their containers into your Cc they will have a
community and their rent supports their community.
So then what will their community be and what DO vegans eat?
Or WWII pilots?
Or renagades or the gang in hole in the wall.
Dragon fest?
I have met people who need to be at work in their virtual world but
stop to pick up a potion on the sidewalk. Every day like that and
help train pretend employees for stores where people go to get
points or something.
The Cc hoeever can be real and you can shop at those containers so
people might want to rent space for their shop.
How many followers do you have?
I am going to have to roll Kendall over and go public with her soon.

[Kcir]

If you wanted a ring that was Narnia then you need to get the DVD
when it comes out. Same with Harry Potter.
So what would it do?

Well one ring is a torus that can have 10 containers.
So do they license you for one ring or let you move as many people in
there as you want by adding rings to your tower?
Do they wuv you?
Lets say they do and you have 40 million followers and 25,000 join the
first day and agree to pay 2 bucks a month to be part of the select few
who will be able to see Kendall or whoever's new thing before anyone
else does because you are gold star members of the shopping club.
Yes I know, its sounds like girl stuff but have you seen the size of my
family? The women outnumber me.

Guys on the other hand might want the SPN container the UFC
container the NASCAR container AND Jeff Gordon's special insde track
container, where you get to look out the windshield.
And get some cool artifacts signed by the man himself.

Well where can you get cash the ATM is over there.
Whats playing in the showroom?

Better still, whats playing in the tube? An old racing car movie
starring Paul Newman. Designed for the tube and you sit somewhere
in the middle and watch.
Have you ever been to the zoo and smelled the poo?
Well guess what?
Next question,
have you ever been to the aquarium? No I mean REALLY been to the
aquarium? Where sponge bob lives.

This one is the Kardashian Cc and you don;t want to go th hey watch
it, watch where your goin. Whats the rush.
You don;t have to be rich and famous to have a popular Cc like a
popular instagram but it helps.
So someone to just run it, so that for instance if Kendall got 20 bucks
in a year from everyone thats 600 milli no 800 million dollars.
That won't happen though but she could make 50 or 60 million.

Her sister made 85 million, Kim on a game using the character
technology I suggested. In her first year.
Normal people with realistic goals might ot want to quit their day job.
They might just want to house a nice community or be part of one.

[Kcir]

Its not what have I done for Vegas lately, but if you can build a Cc
and not have gambling in it then you are a better person for it.

So if after 10 years of living inside a vritual Cc remotely as a
hobby and the hobby was the CHicago World's fair, and so now
finally you have rented a conatiner and tomorrow you will arrive
in Chicago and get your room in that ring and stay for a week.

Everyting in that ring will be about that event and you get to
dresss like that and so then the entore floor of the tower maybe
should also house things like a formal dining room and a an old
fashioned theater. The walking you can do around thetrack. The
shopping you can do there too. The idea is to forget the world
for a week and live in your Cc space that is mirrored on your pc
at home. Because that my friends is your happy place.

Lets just look at google inmages and imagine what it might be
like...
http://nikolatesla-inventor.com/Images/VINT%20FAIR-
LookingDownAt1893WorldsFair.jpg

[Kcir]

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/hunger-games-mockingjay-part-2/
%E2%80%9C-hunger-games-mockingjay-part-2%E2%80%9D-releases-two-new-
clips-watch-here-1

I am not sure I have time to look at all that sweetheart, but that shows that what
we were discussing is feasible. But you are right in that you would need to use the
tower in side and make 2 or 3 square blocks so you would need 3 maybe double
floors, so your tower in that case would have 3 floors with very high cielings so
you could fake some scenery for city scenes.
Lots of scenes could be shot in the torus though and it is well suited to be
modified to be a small stage here and there with a little construction. Like the
floor comes out water goes in.

So at this point we have just been discussing Hollywood and how they can provide
entertainment for these tubes.
So far so good and they are right in that for a complex movie you need streets
maybe a city scene you need more area maybe than a tube unless its all blue
screen black screen green screen and just actors by themselves with a backdrop
though since with this unit you should be able to film using bluescreen in real
time rather than edit everything later.
Its difficult to say right now since its still just a concept.

But its important to have these things thought out before you start writing
software.

[Kcir]

What we are looking at are things like, could you join the characters,
would you be able to have that kind of weapon, you are one for one
right now, can it be shot in a Cc and yes with construction of sets.
So then does that equate to a different need for a stage when you
watch it in there? Probably since you may need now to follow them out
of the tube into the tower into sets but how do we as people who own
a Cc or run one construct a set in there so that it will be emmersive?
What we would need is building fronts and similar and those could be
faked a room at a time but a really complex scene in a city with
garbage all over and ruins and well its not gonna happen that any
theater or private owner club would adjust their thater to match the
needs of the show. So then we are left with a large fake holographic set
and the player as observer. So partly they have to observe a large
screen when they can't go where the actors go, they have to wait and
watch, then when they can go and watch the large scene, they have to
wait here. THen when you need to change the scene, you have to walk
back into the tube and come back and the set is different because its
all a holographic display.

I think it will work and so then you only need one large combined 3
floor area thats 60 foot high ceiling so equivalent to 3 rings high.
Getting the 50 feet for your mirrors though means you have to find 60
feet somewhere maybe it would have to be underground in a parkade
type floor. And go 60 feet across instead of down since its just a
mirror room to give you depth for your giant sized holo arena.
One thing we are looking at is making a smaller mirror box and then
magnifying the display so you could 60 feet high and maybe only need
10 feet in a mirror box if we use mirrors that magnify as a secondary
process.

[Kcir]

I think if it is a walking story, then the story would have to be modifed to
just fit into the tube. If it was a game, then its possible that when they stop
and wait, they can shoot.
Their ability to move around in the city themselves though won;t be there.
The holographic sets could be made as seperate rooms as part of a larger
display but lets leave that for the brainiacs later to do and lets just say we
will use a very large open area for viewing and shooting into. And then you
just make use of the same sets the same graphics and do two more versions
but most of it could be used in some way so that its cost efficient to make a
game or a walking story using the sets and actors that are engaged in a film
for the cinema since this won;t replace the cinema. Not in our lifetime
anyway.

[Kcir]

When you stop to look at the large area after exiting the tube and
you appear to be looking at a city, you are still only looking at
plexiglass 1/4 inch thick.
In a recess 1 fott thick so behind that wall could be the normal
workings of any building you don;t need to use that space, you
just need your mirror box to have physical depth in order for
your reflection to have it as it converts the signal to a
holograFor big Cc units that serve an industry like the ones
purchased by the G20 an engineer would have to design that
stage large enough not just for classic stage play theater but for
hollywood productions as well. Everyone sitting around looking
into a large plexiglass sheet but it looks real behind it.
Since the building is track shape, you have a long tower to work
with. I would think 60 feet high would be enough.
Lets just see what IMAX is I think its 50.
72 feet by 53 feet so we will make it that big.

[Kcir]

Lets think about this for a second for a game.
So lets suppose the club members could go with you and so they
are in the tube and they have guns and ammo and can get more
ammo. The ammo is virtual and the guns appear to make noise
but its electronic operation through the computer system.
They can;t use cross bows.
So then you walk around and around and now you are going into
the city Jennifer but they aren't. SInce they can;t. But they can
cover you. So they only need to be by a window and in a game unit
on the right are 10 windows as you go around. So then all you
have to do is get from the left where you have been walking across
the path into the right area where they can shoot through a
window into a city. So I think that they will need to suspend
disbelief and just go to the window you tell them to and you say
you are taking a shortcut or will meet them there or anything.
The option is we have to drop a plastic sheet across the path so
you can cross the path. Then lift the sheet again.
Both requiring a small distraction at a window to the right.
One when it comes down and one when it goes up.
Just shout at them, they will look out the window.

[Kcir]

If it was a club game ring, then they probably would want two areas in
that tube where plastic screens can come down. So that things can look
like they are coming towards you and so that they can put up blockades
that you need to shooot through or fire missibles or granades into.
So its probably not dangerous to drop the screen since it won;t go down
on a person and if it did maybe its not very heavy.
Its still there though and must go up and down and when it does it spoils
disbelief but then it merely switches to game mode and says you passed
that level and then raises maybe.
Its an option although the normal ones probably wouldn't have that.

[Kcir]

Well where the hologram comes from is the mirror box.

When you look at the Imax screen in our case it will have 60
feet of depth into the display. And yet you are looking at a
sheet of plastic. Or mirror.
The image you are seeing is a relection into the mirrorbox
where the holgram is.
The hologram is recostructed in the mirror box.

So thats the funny deceiving thing about the plastic its just a
mirror. If we use mirror which we can you just a better image.

So then you use plexiglass plastic with a mirror coating.
What it loosk like then is real.
It looks like it does at the cinema and now with proper depth
and things exploding in mid air.
Things can come into the seating but you dont want that
really and thats an effect that requires glasses.
So with the reflection the depth is into the display.
And it stays in there and looks real.
When things come into the audience it doesn;t really look
real the scene is always blurred in some respects.

The first time you see it at Imax though its a mind blower to
see geese fly into the seating area and just fly there beating
their wings.

Still this is something else entirely and it will look like a city.
An actual city that you could walk right into.

[Kcir]

Will that change the way movies are made? Producers and
driectors who have a game franchise in mind will have to
consider that the weapon options for a player is limited to a
gun or similar device that fires something electronic.
It can;t fire a projective and you can;t use a sword.

So you could have a nerf light saber and be a weekend a star
wars hero (Harrison is in the new one and he is on that same
site today where I quoted Mockingjay II)

So then you are a grown man and you are a member of a
gaming club and you get a nerf light saber.

Well what about a real looking one? Well plastic?
What about a virtual one with just the handle?
Goggles?
And no interia, which means not much fun waving things in
mid air that seem to cut pretend creatures way over there.
So you need goggles and then if you do that you have the
same motion isckness issues probably.
And after all that it will never be in the same league as being
in gear and carrying a big gun.

[Kcir]

Yes I saw Heidi was there in Germany as well at her dads place.
She knows I saw her istagram.
We have an open marriage so Jennifer is the star of Mockingjay and so she is the perfect
character to go with on an adventire like this.

So the reason we are looking at all of this is simply to see what the options are for producers
and directors and we have discovered the limitations of the weaponry in the hands of the
players.
So until Edison and Tesla make us something thats what we have to work with.

[Kcir]

Probably within reason. anything an MIB can carry in the movie
a player could carry.

So yeah watch for a new MIB movie coming down the pipeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz-VZVq80bY

[Kcir]

Keep in mind that here...
http://www.imagebam.com/image/8df5b4444947301

Thats inside the tube, and you can shoot to the left at any time.
The scene changes, so then you can have a city to the left as well and its
going to be there where you can see down the streets or up to see the
tops of buildings. To get from ground level to a high level though
requires a director doing some direction magic.
The ability to switch to the right and shoot through a window there is
there but maybe not needed.
It depends if you are satisfied with the scene being all to the left.

Remnember that you cannot see around those bends. You can make it
look dangerous at the bends.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/d31cdf440844406

That can be there on the right or a valley view that goes on forever as if
it was a cliff edge.

[Kcir]

Inside the torus it is all projector magic.
The rule is if it is a projector the mirrors in the mirrorbox are white,
then the display screen can be mirror.
So then you are looking into the box, the light is diffused by the white
projection surface so you are texturing the mirrors and due to their
position in spacetime and their connection to the z component of the
signal you recreate a 3D image in physical space making a true
holographic image.
The trick is to have the mirror surfaces, in this case the torus surface
on the left shine a scene into your eyes and not reflect you.
So the walls are tilted up a bit and the projector is in the ceiling or the
reverse but then it might reflect some ground.
Well you have to look at various methods of doing it and to see if you
need to tilt the mirror plexiglass surface up or down.

So people should not get the impression this will different than this...
http://www.imagebam.com/image/e87fd2444947323
That is what it should look like and that is within the capabilities of
todays technology.

[Kcir]

Of course installation experts will do this differently but I was
looking at what if there is a gap between the floor and the
projection wall so the mirrorbox is under the floor shing onto the
mirror plexiglass surface. Or mylar coated plastic surface of a
plastic tube of great dimensions.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f3afac444947226

So here there is a hypithetical gap around the basebut you have to
consider teh short throw projector and how much room you need
there and is it would be hazardous to not cover it well you could
cover it with glass or plastic but you have to then keep it clean and
people might walk over and look in. No harm there except its a
very bright light that will blind them for a second and then go
away. Prolonged looking for more than a brief moment though can
cause eye injury. So thats gonna be written everywhere.

[Kcir]

http://www.imagebam.com/image/f3afac444947226

You may not be able to have that much textured ceiling.
Unless you are a wizard and employ back projection where
needed and hide projectors and use tricks of paiont and color
that blend with sky and who knows what but today using simple
cheap technology available then you have to cut off the ceiling
where the projector from under the floor shining up the wall
cannot reach. It will get a long ways and maybe the mirror
surface will hlep and some 3D morphing of the signal .
We will see when someone does it.

Its all possible to do in theory in simulation and Lockeheed
Martin could do that in a year for us, so thats why I am not going
to do it myself. Nor will they probably so that means Edison and
Tesla have to get their hands dirty and get out there with a
projector and a section of tube and do some science.

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