How to Build Scalar Wave Detector

[Roddey]

The originator of Scalar Electromagnetics gives instructions on how to
built scalar wave detector (for scrutiny):

"Scalar Wave Detector

... we show a concept for a detector for scalar EG waves. This is the
Bedini scalar wave detector, adapted from an original concept by Dea
and Faretto.
The idea is quite simple: install a very powerful bar magnet
vertically inside a
grounded Faraday cage. Then install an open-ended coil longitudinally
above
the magnet so that a line through the longitudinal axis of the magnet
passes
through the longitudinal axis of the coil above it. The open end of
the coil does
not touch the magnet.
Connect the other end of the coil to a variable tuning capacitor, so
that the coil
and capacitor form a tunable, series-LC-oscillatory circuit. The
output of the
capacitor is connected to a transistorized preamplifier inside the
cage. A tuning
shaft for the capacitor is very carefully passed through a small hole
in the shield
to allow tuning from outside.
The output of the preamp passes very carefully through a small hole in
the
shield, through a shielded cable, to an adjacent oscilloscope. The
cable shield in
also grounded to reference ground potential.
The theory is as follows: Suppose a normal EM wave appears inside the
cage,
above the magnet or closely adjacent thereto. In that case a coupled
oscillation
appears in the field of the magnet, and this oscillation is coupled to
the coil
immediately above it. If the oscillation is within the bandwidth of
the tuned
scries LC circuit, detection occurs. This is amplified by the preamp
and passed
to the oscilloscope, where it is displayed on the scope.
Note that the detector detects normal EM wave. Now our problem is: how
do we
get an EG wave to be detected? And how do we assure that we do not
detect
ordinary EM waves from outside?
Actually this is simple. Ordinary waves (except for quite low
frequency) will be
grounded out by the Faraday shield, and will not penetrate the cage.
Thus these
normal EM waves cannot enter the cage and appear above the magnet.
They will
not be detected.
Scalar EG waves, on the other hand, will enter the cage since they do
not couple
to conduction electrons in the metal of the cage. Above the pole of
the magnet,
spacetime is locally bent. After all, a pole is a magnetostatic scalar
potential,
which is a part of the conglomerate called "G-potential." The pole
represents an
increase (or decrease, depending upon whether it is a north or a south
pole) in
the magnetostatic component of the local G-potential. This is a
curvature of
spacetime. An EG wave entering this region adds a varying component of
magnetostatic G-potential, which bleeds-off in the coil as an ordinary
EM wave.
Another way to view the detector is to model the EG wave as a
longitudinal
wave, and an ordinary EM wave as a transverse wave. When the EG wave
enters
the curved spacetime region above the magnet, to the coil (the
"observer" in this
case) the longitudinal aspect of the EG wave appears to be rotating
back and
forth, so that an oscillating transverse component is present. This
transverse
component appears to the coil as an ordinary EM field, and so the LC
circuit
detects it if it is in the proper frequency band.
Yet another way to view the situation is to realize that an EG wave
entering the
magnet results in an oscillation component added to the magnetostatic
scalar
potential (pole strength) of the magnet. Accordingly, the magnet is a
receiver
for scalar waves, which are detected to "bleed-off as an oscillation
of the
magnetic field strength of the magnet. Coupling of this oscillating
magnetic field
to the coil creates an oscillating current flow into the capacitor.
This oscillates
the voltage input to the preamp, which amplifies and feeds the signal
to the
oscilloscope for display.
In fact rather like the latter view! It is important to remember that
a
magnetostatic potential and an electrostatic potential can be
oscillated by a
scalar EG wave. By placing a magnetic material inside a Faraday cage,
the
oscillation of the magnetostatic scalar potential (pole strength of
the magnet) can
be used as the EG detecting mechanism. By placing a chargeable
material inside
a Faraday cage, the oscillation of the electrostatic scalar potential
can be
detected. (Possible examples of the latter type detectors are given by
Hodowanec, Radio Electronics, April 1986.)

Note also that one may detect waves at one reference level and not at
another.
Changing the bias on the zero-reference ground of the Bedini detector
affects the
detection. To look inside a normal EM carrier (such as the Woodpecker)
and see
what scalar signals are riding upon it, the carrier may be used to
bias the
reference ground of the Bedini detector.
To produce a spectrum analyzer, simply use additional series resonant
LC tuning
circuits in parallel (put multiple taps on the coil, and wire each tap
to a separate
tuning capacitor of different capacitance). Again, varying the zero
reference
level is important, as is varying the strength of the magnet.
Golden also has invented an excellent series of scalar wave detectors
based upon
quite different proprietary principles.
The bottom line is: we can indeed rigorously detect and measure scalar
EG
waves. When one considers the large sums of money presently being
spent to
bury large aluminum cylinders etc. in an attempt to detect
gravitational waves,
one wonders why some funds could not be released to a few unorthodox
researchers by the National Academy of Sciences to fund the proven
creation
and detection of electrogravitational waves!
Note from TEB: I understand that it took Bedini about 600 attempts
before he
got the device to work. It was then handed over to a different party
to produce,
who made some "improvements," and the device then failed to work.

[Roddey]

[reformated]

Scalar Wave Detector

..... we show a concept for a detector for scalar EG waves. This is

the Bedini scalar wave detector, adapted from an original concept by
Dea and Faretto. The idea is quite simple: install a very powerful bar
magnet vertically inside a
grounded Faraday cage. Then install an open-ended coil longitudinally
above the magnet so that a line through the longitudinal axis of the
magnet passes through the longitudinal axis of the coil above it. The
open end of the coil does
not touch the magnet.

Connect the other end of the coil to a variable tuning capacitor, so
that the coil and capacitor form a tunable, series-LC-oscillatory
circuit. The output of the capacitor is connected to a transistorized
preamplifier inside the cage. A tuning shaft for the capacitor is very
carefully passed through a small hole in the shield to allow tuning
from outside.

The output of the preamp passes very carefully through a small hole in
the shield, through a shielded cable, to an adjacent oscilloscope. The
cable shield in also grounded to reference ground potential. The
theory is as follows: Suppose a normal EM wave appears inside the
cage, above the magnet or closely adjacent thereto. In that case a
coupled oscillation appears in the field of the magnet, and this
oscillation is coupled to the coil immediately above it. If the

oscillation is within the bandwidth of the tuned series LC circuit,
detection occurs. This is amplified by the preamp and passedto the

[Roddey]

Here's schematics of the scalar detector...

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/scalarwavedetector.jpg/

checking the folks here.. it seems one is good enough to help us build
it...

Mark Fergerson, can you help build one? :)

[alie...@gmail.com]

Seen that, built several some decades ago.

Notice how sketchily it's described? I tried many permutations of
small/large magnets (iron, alnico, whatever I could get my hands on)
and coils (solenoids, toruses, pancakes, scramble-wound, so-called
moebius), different kinds of amplifiers, copper/mumetal shielding etc.
I got no results above noise levels.

Same for the one where a coil is wrapped around two magnets with
opposing poles glued together; "scalar beam emitter" I think it was
called, and touted to do everything from cure gout to clarifying CDs.
AFAICT it's a load of crap.

For scalar/longitudinal wave theorizing to be of any use it must
numerically describe critical relationships between variables like
magnet strength, coil characteristics (# of turns, diameter), spacing
between coil and magnet etc. just as standard EM does for ordinary
antennae which do provide easily replicable results.

IOW the theory should be reducible to a "recipe" just like EM theory
reduces to practical antenna engineering.

So far it just ain't.

I'm not a theorist; I like to build things.

If they work it verifies at least *some* of the theory describing
them. If they don't work, well, the theory is suspect.


Mark L. Fergerson

[Roddey]

On Jan 17, 11:10 pm, "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2:08 am, Roddey <Rodss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's schematics of the scalar detector...
>
> >http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/scalarwavedetector.jpg/
>
> > checking the folks here.. it seems one is good enough to help us build
> > it...
>
> > Mark Fergerson, can you help build one? :)
>
>   Seen that, built several some decades ago.
>
>   Notice how sketchily it's described? I tried many permutations of
> small/large magnets (iron, alnico, whatever I could get my hands on)
> and coils (solenoids, toruses, pancakes, scramble-wound, so-called
> moebius), different kinds of amplifiers, copper/mumetal shielding etc.
> I got no results above noise levels.
>

But if you would test these on sensitives even double blind, you would
get results. There is one thing I'm sure about. I have built a mobius
coil where if the magnetic field is cancelled (I have a trifield EMF
meter to confirm it). There is some kind of energy biologically active
that sensitives can see or detect. Something that normal coils with
noncancelling magnetic field wouldn't create. It is only when you
cancel them that these come about (I know in mobius not all fields are
cancelled but at least significantly). . This is the reason why scalar
wave are so popular because sensitives can perceive them. Maybe these
are just the A-fields, not necessary anything to do with Bearden
theory. That is. Scalar wave could be real but not exactly related to
those things depicted by Bearden.

Another thing. You can see in www.naet.com and primarily in Europe
where they could transfer the "scalar signature" of any substance to
water vial. For example. They could transfer the "scalar signature" of
egg to a water vial. Now when you let someone allergic to egg hold
just the water vial, they can react to it by just holding the glass
vial (without even the physical egg substance) in their hand. What
happens when you hold the glass vial of the scalar imprint of
something you are allergic to is that your holofield contract or
becomes chaotic. I'm categorical about this because I have seen it and
work with it. For example you have 50 vials of any substance scalar
imprint. The person would only react when holding the vial with the
scalar imprint of the substance they are allergic too. What we do to
treat them is by tapping the acupoints while they hold the vial. These
would normalize the holofield. Then very quickly, they won't be
allergic anymore to the substance like egg. So it seems mast cells-
allergen-IgE coupling in the human body is controlled by the
holofield. Meaning the body biochemistry is controlled by the
holofield.

Also. There is a group of people suffering from so called EM
Hypersensitity in which they are sensitive to electromagnetic field
(or rather to the magnetic vector potential or the A-field). See the
scientific literature on EM sensitivity from (although I don't have
experiences with this):

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2006/9241594128_eng.pdf
(Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity Proceedings International Workshop
on EMF Hypersensitivity Prague, Czech Republic)

Dr. Cyril Smith theory is that they are sensitive to the magnetic
vector potential or the A-field. He has similar experience with mine
where after the patient holds the glass vial with the A-field
imprinted, the person can react just holding the vial. It is
described in:

http://www.francisholisticmedicalcenter.com/images/EMF_Sensitivity.pdf

"The frequency information is in the A-field component of an
electromagnetic field. The A-field (magnetic vector potential) is in
the direction of the current. It is around a toroid. It arises as a
mathematical necessity because the B- field always occurs in closed
loops. The A-field has quantum effects in that it can affect the phase
of the wave function describing a system.

The frequency of an A-field can be imprinted into water if the water
is succussed by mechanical shock. The change of momentum is the
effective physical quantity. The application of a B-field strong
enough to overcome thermal dissipation in a coherence domain will
potentise. The combination of these two field components near power
lines will potentise all surrounding environmental frequencies into
water or a living system. A train of 7-unidirectional voltage pulses
applied in the presence of a frequency will potentise (binary 000-
Ill). This can happen near a calculator, computer or a mobile or even
a train of nerve impulses. The voltage pulses on dial-up are
sufficient for this and can imprint directly into the head frequencies
which take some time to disperse. With classical Hahnemann
potentisation, seven rapid swings of the arm holding the vial through
the geomagnetic field will generate sufficient in the way of voltage
pulses for potentisation without any impact. It is also possible to
potentise using a chemical frequency signature. All this shows how
resilient a living system must be to the many irrelevant frequency
imprints it experiences. "

Do you have any idea how the water can actually contain the A-field
frequency? In Bearden theory, it's not the A-field but the Whittaker
scalar potential.. and the water can simply hold this because in his
theory, the nucleus communicates by scalar wave. But Bearden has not
encountered the above experiences with www.naet.com or allergy
patients. Again I'm not saying his theory is real. It could be just
the A-field. We need to investigate. Any idea how the A-field or
magnetic vector potential or even scalar electric potential interacts
with atoms and molecules? Just answer this part if you don't have
experiences with everything I mentioned about about allergy patients
and EM patients.

Please give all this a thought. There are many things going on in the
world that physicists may not be aware of, and just brush aside
without any serious investigation.. and concluded "there is no
evidence of A field or scalar wave". I'm not saying this proves scalar
wave is real. Just let's hope physicists can just be open minded
especially those with capability to make a difference.

[alie...@gmail.com]

On Jan 17, 11:52 am, Roddey <Rodss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:10 pm, "n...@bid.nes" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 17, 2:08 am, Roddey <Rodss...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Here's schematics of the scalar detector...
>
> > >http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/scalarwavedetector.jpg/
>
> > > checking the folks here.. it seems one is good enough to help us build
> > > it...
>
> > > Mark Fergerson, can you help build one? :)
>
> >   Seen that, built several some decades ago.
>
> >   Notice how sketchily it's described? I tried many permutations of
> > small/large magnets (iron, alnico, whatever I could get my hands on)
> > and coils (solenoids, toruses, pancakes, scramble-wound, so-called
> > moebius), different kinds of amplifiers, copper/mumetal shielding etc.
> > I got no results above noise levels.
>
> But if you would test these on sensitives

AAARGH! This is one of my pet peeves. It's equivalent to saying you
can prove that apples taste slightly like steak but II have to be a
supertaster to do it.

http://ysm.research.yale.edu//article.jsp?articleID=77

I am apparently especially not-sensitive. I don't take this
personally. I'm also extremely nearsighted, but there's a solution
available from the optical branch of EM theory; I wear glasses. If I
want to be a "super-seer" there are telescopes, IR viewers, all sorts
of ways to extend my eyesight.

Why is there no scalar/longitudinal appliance that can do the same
thing my glasses do for me with transverse EM?

People have been thinking, talking, and writing about this for
decades. Were *all* of them thinkers more than doers?

Never mind "where's my flying car?", where're my scalar glasses?

> Another thing. You can see in www.naet.com and primarily in Europe

"We now know that most illnesses (i.e.headaches, back aches, joint
pains, addiction, PMS, indigestion, cough, body aches, etc.) are
caused by undiagnosed allergies. "

Who's "we"? Where's the clinical evidence?

> where they could transfer the "scalar signature" of any substance to
> water vial. For example. They could transfer the "scalar signature" of
> egg to a water vial. Now when you let someone allergic to egg hold
> just the water vial, they can react to it by just holding the glass
> vial (without even the physical egg substance) in their hand. What
> happens when you hold the glass vial of the scalar imprint of
> something you are allergic to is that your holofield contract or
> becomes chaotic. I'm categorical about this because I have seen it and
> work with it. For example you have 50 vials of any substance scalar
> imprint. The person would only react when holding the vial with the
> scalar imprint of the substance they are allergic too. What we do to
> treat them is by tapping the acupoints while they hold the vial. These
> would normalize the holofield. Then very quickly, they won't be
> allergic anymore to the substance like egg. So it seems mast cells-
> allergen-IgE coupling in the human body is controlled by the
> holofield. Meaning the body biochemistry is controlled by the
> holofield.

Again, where's the clinical evidence? This puts Drown, Hieronymus,
et. al. to shame, *if replicable*.

> Also. There is a group of people suffering from so called EM
> Hypersensitity in which they are sensitive to electromagnetic field
> (or rather to the magnetic vector potential or the A-field). See the
> scientific literature on EM sensitivity from (although I don't have
> experiences with this):

Neither do I, but again, if true, all they need is a set of "scalar
sunglasses". Where's the model for scalar waves that describes such a
thing?

> Dr. Cyril Smith theory is that they are sensitive to the magnetic
> vector potential or the A-field. He has similar experience with mine
> where after the patient holds the glass vial with the A-field
> imprinted, the person can react just holding the vial.  It is
> described in:
>
> http://www.francisholisticmedicalcenter.com/images/EMF_Sensitivity.pdf
>
>  "The frequency information is in the A-field component of an
> electromagnetic field. The A-field (magnetic vector potential) is in
> the direction of the current. It is around a toroid. It arises as a
> mathematical necessity because the B- field always occurs in closed
> loops. The A-field has quantum effects in that it can affect the phase
> of the wave function describing a system.

I was vaguely aware of the A field when I tried toroid coils in the
so-called scalar receiver.

The usual description of the curl-free part of the A field starts
with a current-carrying wire wrapped on a toroid form, supposedly
confining all the B field flux inside the torus while leaving the A
field free to extend outside the toroid. Now I know that this is an
idealization; the individual turns are 'approximated" as closed loops
coplanar with the axis of symmetry. In a real toroid coil the turns
are not closed or coplanar with the central axis of symmetry either,
they are skew to it. That means that the magnetic "flux lines" they
generate are also skewed, generating the single-valued curled part of
the A field and eliminating the curl-free part. This is why real
toroid coils "leak" magnetic flux. If they didn't, so-called "clip-on"
ammeters wouldn't work.

> The frequency of an A-field can be imprinted into water if the water
> is succussed by mechanical shock.

Sorry, you're drifting into homeopathy which I flatly reject.
According to it, all the world's water is extremely diluted dinosaur
piss, "succussed" by repeated geological events.

> ... Any idea how the A-field or

> magnetic vector potential or even scalar electric potential interacts
> with atoms and molecules? Just answer this part if you don't have
> experiences with everything I mentioned about about allergy patients
> and EM patients.

As far as I can tell, the so-called A field is a mathematical
fiction associated with physically unrealizable situation; even if it
were independently real, by definition it isn't directly observable,
meaning it doesn't have a *direct* effect on physical objects like
electrons. What does have a direct effect we can observe and measure
is the B field.

For it to be "real' as in directly measurable, we'd need magnetic
monopoles to also exist. Consider two opposite magnetic monopoles; no
current in motion yet between them is a potential that will push
another monopole in a specific direction between them (analogous to
the electric field's action on a test charge).

That's the magnetic vector potential in its purest form.

But the poles of a solenoid (or permanent magnet) are *not* magnetic
monopoles; they are the result of electric charges in motion.

> Please give all this a thought. There are many things going on in the
> world that physicists may not be aware of, and just brush aside
> without any serious investigation.. and concluded "there is no
> evidence of A field or scalar wave". I'm not saying this proves scalar
> wave is real. Just let's hope physicists can just be open minded
> especially those with capability to make a difference.

Look, I'd *like* all this to be real- I can think of all sorts of
practical uses for it. I've put considerable effort into testing
everything I could get a sufficiently detailed description of to
acquire/make parts and assemble. I can make standard EM circuits work
with little trouble, but so far no alleged scalar stuff.

If you perceive me as derisive, I earned the right to it fairly.
I've got the solder burns to prove it.

It didn't take long for standard EM theory to generate practical
applications. Why is scalar still in the handwaving stage? Suppression
theories don't cut it for me; anybody can buy and use a soldering
iron. Adequately detailed plans can be put on the web, freely
available to all.


Mark L. Fergerson

[Roddey]

> > Another thing. You can see inwww.naet.comand primarily in Europe

In the Aharonov-Bohm effect, there is no B-flux outside yet the wave
function phase is still affected. They explained the A-field or
magnetic vector potential doing that to the electron wave function.
Are you saying that in the experiment there is a leaked magnetic flux
and it is what causing the phase alterations? Also isn't it that in
modern quantum electrodynamics, the A-field and scalar electric
potential are more primary in that the E and B fields can be derived
from these but not vice versa. So how can the A-field not exist akin
to Bohmian Mechanics Quantum Potential? Are you saying it's pure a
math artifact? But it can affect the electron wave function phase in
the Aharonov-Bohm experiment. How do you explain that?

> > Please give all this a thought. There are many things going on in the
> > world that physicists may not be aware of, and just brush aside
> > without any serious investigation.. and concluded "there is no
> > evidence of A field or scalar wave". I'm not saying this proves scalar
> > wave is real. Just let's hope physicists can just be open minded
> > especially those with capability to make a difference.
>
>   Look, I'd *like* all this to be real- I can think of all sorts of
> practical uses for it. I've put considerable effort into testing
> everything I could get a sufficiently detailed description of to
> acquire/make parts and assemble. I can make standard EM circuits work
> with little trouble, but so far no alleged scalar stuff.
>
>   If you perceive me as derisive, I earned the right to it fairly.
> I've got the solder burns to prove it.
>
>   It didn't take long for standard EM theory to generate practical
> applications. Why is scalar still in the handwaving stage? Suppression
> theories don't cut it for me; anybody can buy and use a soldering
> iron. Adequately detailed plans can be put on the web, freely
> available to all.
>

>   Mark L. Fergerson- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for your critical comments on Dr. Cyril Smith A-field and
others. I'll think about them as I review Feynman Lectures on Physics
on electromagnetism. I guess I have to master the math of the Maxwell
Equations so as not to be fooled by different sources. In the end. it
may be a new symmetry or new mathematical model along the lines of
Kaluza Klein that can explain it all. What is importance is accurate
model that can be explained and replicated. It's the only way to give
birth to a new and enhanced physics...

[be...@iwaynet.net]

On 1/17/2012 11:22 PM, Roddey wrote:
> On Jan 18, 11:52 am, "n...@bid.nes"<alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Look, I'd *like* all this to be real- I can think of all sorts of
>> practical uses for it. I've put considerable effort into testing
>> everything I could get a sufficiently detailed description of to
>> acquire/make parts and assemble. I can make standard EM circuits work
>> with little trouble, but so far no alleged scalar stuff.

More "practical uses" than you can POSSIBLY imagine. Which is why it's
actively suppressed.

>> If you perceive me as derisive, I earned the right to it fairly.
>> I've got the solder burns to prove it.

Not to mention the "detector diagram" is nothing but nonsense. At
present the ONLY detectors permitted are "sensitive" people. And that
because they are so easily discredited.

>> It didn't take long for standard EM theory to generate practical
>> applications. Why is scalar still in the handwaving stage? Suppression
>> theories don't cut it for me; anybody can buy and use a soldering
>> iron. Adequately detailed plans can be put on the web, freely
>> available to all.

Because NO real information is PERMITTED on the internet. WERE someone
to place a REAL detector device there it would disappear as soon as it
was discovered (basically immediately). You had better START thinking
about "suppression theories". It would be very enlightening. Ask
yourself "what could be the POLITICAL ramifications of such a
technology?" The answers will explain it all.

> Thanks for your critical comments on Dr. Cyril Smith A-field and
> others. I'll think about them as I review Feynman Lectures on Physics
> on electromagnetism. I guess I have to master the math of the Maxwell
> Equations so as not to be fooled by different sources. In the end. it
> may be a new symmetry or new mathematical model along the lines of
> Kaluza Klein that can explain it all. What is importance is accurate
> model that can be explained and replicated. It's the only way to give
> birth to a new and enhanced physics...

Well, you DO need to master the math. And doing so you may discover the
shortcomings of Maxwellian theory. Classical EM theory has NO interest
in updating anything. Hence a whole HOST of errors persist. People say E
and B fields, "create each other", they think "displacement currents"
are real things. They say EM waves travel in "nothing at all" and so it
goes. As you note the whole mess needs shook up from top to bottom. But
because of the success to date of the parts we normally use, everyone is
scared shitless to try to expand or change any of it. Who knows? YOU
might be the one to finally do it?

THE most important point is the disinformation crew always try to make
it about "belief". "Do you believe in UFOs, Ghosts, "Scalar waves",
etc." All TOTALLY irrelevant! In science it's ALL about the DATA! Is the
DATA true? Who is lying and who is telling the truth. You can't solve a
murder by asking everyone if they killed him! (Like stupid-ass reporters
ALWAYS do!) What you are poking your noses into is REVOLUTIONARY for
human civilization...which is why there is so much establishment
resistance to it!

[Helmut Wabnig]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:52:33 -0800 (PST), "nu...@bid.nes"
<alie...@gmail.com> wrote:

(snip crap)

> It didn't take long for standard EM theory to generate practical
>applications. Why is scalar still in the handwaving stage? Suppression
>theories don't cut it for me; anybody can buy and use a soldering
>iron. Adequately detailed plans can be put on the web, freely
>available to all.
>
>
> Mark L. Fergerson

After 150 years of electric engineering it is clear
what's right and wrong.
There are no scalar or longitudinal EM waves.


w.

[Szczepan Bialek]

"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> napisal w wiadomosci
news:h7vch7199p43q2fpf...@4ax.com...

Skalar or longitudinal are the ELECTRIC waves.
They are also named the ELECTRON waves:
http://electronwaves.blogspot.com/
S*

[Helmut Wabnig]

If I read correctly, you are constructing an analogy between
sound waves in a gas and electrons as particles of an electron gas.


Where are the particles to be pushed around in a vacuum?

w.

[Szczepan Bialek]

"Helmut Wabnig" <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> napisal w wiadomosci

news:cocdh7l4t3cusfdcn...@4ax.com...

The analogy is constructed by Faraday.
""It seems to me, that the resultant of two or more lines of force is in an
apt condition for that action which may be considered as equivalent to a
lateral vibration; whereas a uniform medium, like the aether, does not
appear apt, or more apt than air or water."
From: http://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.html

Tesla proved it experimentally.

>
>
> Where are the particles to be pushed around in a vacuum?

Do not you know that the Sun is hot?
It produces plasma.
It is known from L. Lorenz. He wrote: "In the space is enough matter to
propagate the electric waves".
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[Roddey]

> > Another thing. You can see inwww.naet.comand primarily in Europe

>   Mark L. Fergerson- Hide quoted text -

I research old experiments by others in the net on this cancelling EMF
thing where they compare different coils and targets and found the
following site which mentions that even the A-field or scalar
potential is not involved but something beyond it (which they coin Non-
Maxwellian or Superpotential, etc. these are also early researches
that indirectly give rise to the so called Scalar watches (Philips
Stein)):

http://www.encognitive.com/node/3930

(excerpts from latter half of it)

by Dr. Glen Rein

"Comparison between the types of field generated by the solenoid and
bifilar coils reveals a surprising result. Although the solenoid
generates a B force field, a vector potential (A) field, and a scalar
potential (í) field, none of these fields is apparently capable of
producing a measurable effect. The bifilar coil, however, does produce
an effect despite the fact that its B and A fields are negligible. The
question therefore arises whether the potential (í) field from the
bifilar coil could produce the observed effect. The magnitude of the
potential (í) field is proportional the magnitude of the electric (E)
field, which is in turn directly related the applied voltage. Thus the
magnitude of the potential (í) field in the bifilar coil is four times
less than that of the solenoid coil. The inability of the potential
(í) field to account for the observed effect is also supported by
Smith's finding that the E field (and therefore the potential í field
by implication) is not involved with imprinting water (Smith, 1994).
If we assume that the properties of potential (í) field generated from
the two coils is the same, it is unlikely to be responsible for the
effect produced by the b ifilar coil. Thus, we have a force-free,
potential-free effect and need a new type of energy field, (i.e., a
quantum field) to explain the results. Alternatively, the í potential
field generated by the bifilar coil has different properties from th e
classical í potential generated from a solenoid. The results from this
experiment support the hypothesis that quantum fields exist and are
distinct from potential fields and EM force fields. When taken in
conjunction with the previous experiment s with caduceus/möbius coils,
the results also support the Quantum Energy Healing Model.

Discussion

The results from the bifilar coil indicate, for the first time, a
macroscopic effect on water in the absence of EM-force fields and
potential fields. Modern physics may help explain this anomalous
finding and support the hypothesis that quantum fie lds are distinct
from potential and force fields. These theories postulate that under
special conditions fields and potentials exist in a modified form with
new properties compared to their typical behavior under classical
conditions. Although physical effects of classical potentials have
been measured (Chambers, 1960), they are not considered to be real
since they are not gauge-invariant (i.e., they change when
transformed, for example, to a new location in or out of 4-D space/
time). According to basic EM-field theory, potentials can only be real
if they are gauge-invariant.

This contradiction in theory has inspired some physicists to modify
Maxwell's equations. The new equations have solutions which generate
new types of potentials with unique properties (e.g., gauge-invariant
potentials). Alternatively when dealing with non-classical conditions,
it is justifiable to use new mathematical expressions for redefining
potentials. The non-Maxwellian equations which are thereby generated
describe energy fields that have unique properties. A third approach
has also been us ed, where classical potentials are decomposed into
more fundamental components. Thus, force fields of a certain type can
be decomposed into potentials, and classical potentials can be further
decomposed into super-potentials. Super-potentials and their c
orresponding super-fields are often used in supersymmetry field
theories and string theories. Super-potentials and super-fields have
unusual global properties associated with negative energy states of
subatomic particles.

Decomposition of potentials has also revealed another unusual type of
energy field called the standing wave. Standing waves are of
particular interest because they are experimentally generated by the
same concept utilized in self-canceling coils. T hus, standing waves
are generated when two EM-force fields (of a special type referred to
as circularly polarized) travel in opposite directions. Standing waves
are an example of a non-Hertzian, quantum field since the orientation
of their electric (E) a nd magnetic (B) vectors is unique. Classical
EM fields have their E and B vectors (1) oriented perpendicular
(orthogonal) to each other and (2) oscillating perpendicular
(orthogonal) to the direction the field is propagating. Standing waves
may have both of these properties altered. Some standing waves have
their E and B vectors parallel to each other, whereas others have
their vectors oscillating in the same direction the field is
propagating. The latter type is referred to as a longit udinal wave.
Longitudinal waves were first proposed by Tesla at the turn of the
century to explain the anomalous behavior of the non-Hertzian energy
fields he was working with. Yet another type of standing wave is
classified as force-free since their Lor entz force is zero. Force-
free fields can be experimentally generated under special conditions
where certain gases are put under pressure thereby generating plasmas.
Plasmas are notorious for their anomalous behavior and have been well
studied by contemp orary physicists.

Other examples of non-classical conditions, which allow modification
of classical potentials, are of interest here. The new conditions
often involve the modification of space/time itself. One such
modification of space/time is its extension from fo ur dimensions to
higher dimensions. Energy fields associated with higher dimensions
also have unusual properties (e.g., non-locality, super-luminol
velocities, and negative energy). These energy fields and their
corresponding potentials have been charact erized as complex in that
they have imaginary components as well as real components (Rauscher,
1968). It is interesting to note that Seiki also used these ideas in
describing the imaginary components of the quantum fields generated
from möbius coils (Seiki, 1990). Imaginary particles are a mainstay of
quantum physics according to Dirac, although the energy fields
associated with such particles are not typically examined in
mainstream quantum physics. Nonetheless, the concept of a quantum
information field and a quantum potential has been introduced by Bohm
(1975) in conjunction with Schrödinger's wave equation. Like non-
Maxwellian fields, these quantum fields have unusual properties (e.g.,
non-local action at a distance). Thus, it is clear that contemporary
physicists have many elaborate theories, and some experimental data to
support the hypothesis that quantum fields exist that are distinct
from classical potential fields and force fields. It is now up to the
biologists to study the role these fields play in the natural healing
process.
"

Maybe you guys can create the different coils and use cells and other
biologically targets? Mark Fergerson, you have never used biological
targets isn't it.. but only voltmeter to measure the output, how can
you expect to get any output when the results may be in the very micro
voltage or ampere or even non Hertzians.