Einstein's Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies was a logical, easy to take baby step
Shubee
revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
from Einstein. That is historically false.
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000987/00/Michelson.pdf
http://eprint.uq.edu.au/archive/00002307/
http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/49611/page/1
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Special_relativity.html
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/Poincare.htm
http://www.brera.unimi.it/old/Atti-Como-98/Giannetto.pdf
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0408077
My claim that SR was the next, logical, easy to take baby step can be
supported with a direct quote from Einstein written at the end of his
life in a letter to Carl Seelig:
"There is no doubt, if we look back to the development of the
Relativity theory, special Relativity was about to be discovered in
1905."
Shubee
Sam Wormley
> One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
Certainly that is historically false. However it seems to be you,
Eugene who had the misconception--Folks know that many of the ideas
did *not* originate with Einstein.
What was uniquely Einstein's was he realized that time and space where
not rigid and fixed, but that they where malleable. Nobody else was
thinking that way.
Adapted from "The Mechanical Universe"
Episode 43: Velocity and Time
In the 1800s Michael Faraday discovered, or I should say
formalized, electromagnetic induction. Given a coil of
wire and a bar magnet...
F = qE + qv x B
Holding the coil stationary and moving the bar magnet
produced an electric current in the coil. Similarly
holding the bar magnet stationary and moving the coil
also produced an electric current in the coil.
But in the language of electrodynamics of the day the two
cases were distinct independent phenomena that had
completely different explanations.
When Albert Einstein saw that, he said "Look guys, you've
just got to be kidding--Any yo-yo can see that these are
the same thing".
So it was this little experiment that was really the
start of relativity, not the Michelson-Morley
Experiment--not some exotic experiment to detect the
motion of the earth through the aether.
With this simple little phenomenon, that of course
everybody knew about, disturbed nobody else, but Albert
Einstein.
This led him to write a paper that landed on the desks of
Annalen der Physik on 30 June, and would go on to
completely overhaul our understanding of space and time.
Some 30 pages long and containing no references, his
fourth 1905 paper was titled "On the electrodynamics of
moving bodies" (Ann. Phys., Lpz 17 891-921).
In the 200 or so years before 1905, physics had been
built on Newton's laws of motion, which were known to
hold equally well in stationary reference frames and in
frames moving at a constant velocity in a straight line.
Provided the correct "Galilean" rules were applied, one
could therefore transform the laws of physics so that
they did not depend on the frame of reference.
However, the theory of electrodynamics developed by
Maxwell in the late 19th century posed a fundamental
problem to this "principle of relativity" because it
suggested that electromagnetic waves always travel at the
same speed.
Either electrodynamics was wrong or there had to be some
kind of stationary "ether" through which the waves could
propagate.
_______________________
Eugene, re-read the first two paragraphs of Einsteins 4th 1905 paper...
ON THE ELECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES
By A. Einstein
June 30, 1905
It is known that Maxwell's electrodynamics--as usually
understood at the present time--when applied to moving
bodies, leads to asymmetries which do not appear to be
inherent in the phenomena.
Take, for example, the reciprocal electrodynamic action
of a magnet and a conductor. The observable phenomenon
here depends only on the relative motion of the conductor
and the magnet, whereas the customary view draws a sharp
distinction between the two cases in which either the one
or the other of these bodies is in motion. For if the
magnet is in motion and the conductor at rest, there
arises in the neighborhood of the magnet an electric
field with a certain definite energy, producing a current
at the places where parts of the conductor are situated.
But if the magnet is stationary and the conductor in
motion, no electric field arises in the neighborhood of
the magnet. In the conductor, however, we find an
electromotive force, to which in itself there is no
corresponding energy, but which gives rise--assuming
equality of relative motion in the two cases
discussed--to electric currents of the same path and
intensity as those produced by the electric forces in the
former case.
Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful
attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively
to the "light medium," suggest that the phenomena of
electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no
properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.
They suggest rather that, as has already been shown to (1)
the first order of small quantities, the same laws of
electrodynamics and optics will be valid for all frames
of reference for which the equations of mechanics hold
good. We will raise this conjecture (the purport of which
will hereafter be called the ``Principle of Relativity'')
to the status of a postulate,
and also introduce another postulate, which is only (2)
apparently irreconcilable with the former, namely, that
light is always propagated in empty space with a definite
velocity c which is independent of the state of motion of
the emitting body.
These two postulates suffice for the attainment of a
simple and consistent theory of the electrodynamics of
moving bodies based on Maxwell's theory for stationary
bodies.
The introduction of a "luminiferous ether" will prove
to be superfluous inasmuch as the view here to be
developed will not require an "absolutely stationary
space" provided with special properties, nor assign a
velocity-vector to a point of the empty space in which
electromagnetic processes take place.
And, of course the paper goes on to develop the ideas
and make his case...
_______________________
Ref: http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/18/1/2/1
Adapted from "Five papers that shook the world"
by Matthew Chalmers
January 2005
True to style, Einstein
swept away the concept of the ether (which, in any case,
had not been detected experimentally) in one audacious
step. He postulated that no matter how fast you are
moving, light will always appear to travel at the same
velocity: the speed of light is a fundamental constant of
nature that cannot be exceeded.
Combined with the requirement that the laws of physics
are the identical in all "inertial" (i.e.
non-accelerating) frames, Einstein built a completely new
theory of motion that revealed Newtonian mechanics to be
an approximation that only holds at low, everyday
speeds.
The theory later became known as the special theory of
relativity - special because it applies only to
non-accelerating frames - and led to the realization that
space and time are intimately linked to one another.
In order that the two postulates of special relativity
are respected, strange things have to happen to space and
time, which, unbeknown to Einstein, had been predicted by
Lorentz and others the previous year.
For instance, the length of an object becomes shorter
when it travels at a constant velocity, and a moving
clock runs slower than a stationary clock.
Effects like these have been verified in countless
experiments over the last 100 years, but in 1905 the most
famous prediction of Einstein's theory was still to come.
After a short family holiday in Serbia, Einstein
submitted his fifth and final paper of 1905 on 27
September. Just three pages long and titled "Does the
inertia of a body depend on its energy content?", this
paper presented an "afterthought" on the consequences of
special relativity, which culminated in a simple equation
that is now known as E = mc^2 (Ann. Phys., Lpz 18
639-641).
This equation, which was to become the most famous in all
of science, was the icing on the cake.
"The special theory of relativity, culminating in the
prediction that mass and energy can be converted into one
another, is one of the greatest achievements in physics -
or anything else for that matter," says Wilczek.
"Einstein's work on Brownian motion would have merited a
sound Nobel prize, the photoelectric effect a strong
Nobel prize, but special relativity and E = mc^2 were
worth a super-strong Nobel prize."
However, while not doubting the scale of Einstein's
achievements, many physicists also think that his 1905
discoveries would have eventually been made by others.
"If Einstein had not lived, people would have stumbled on
for a number of years, maybe a decade or so, before
getting a clear conception of special relativity," says
Ed Witten of the Institute for Advanced Study in
Princeton.
't Hooft agrees. "The more natural course of events would
have been that Einstein's 1905 discoveries were made by
different people, not by one and the same person," he
says. However, most think that it would have taken much
longer - perhaps a few decades - for Einstein's general
theory of relativity to emerge.
Indeed, Wilczek points out that one consequence of
general relativity being so far ahead of its time was
that the subject languished for many years afterwards.
The aftermath
By the end of 1905 Einstein was starting to make a name
for himself in the physics community, with Planck and
Philipp Lenard - who won the Nobel prize that year -
among his most famous supporters. Indeed, Planck was a
member of the editorial board of Annalen der Physik at
the time.
Einstein was finally given the title of Herr Doktor from
the University of Zurich in January 1906, but he remained
at the patent office for a further two and a half years
before taking up his first academic position at Zurich.
By this time his statistical interpretation of Brownian
motion and his bold postulates of special relativity were
becoming part of the fabric of physics, although it would
take several more years for his paper on light quanta to
gain wide acceptance.
1905 was undoubtedly a great year for physics, and for
Einstein. "You have to go back to quasi-mythical figures
like Galileo or especially Newton to find good
analogues," says Wilczek.
"The closest in modern times might be Dirac, who, if
magnetic monopoles had been discovered, would have given
Einstein some real competition!" But we should not forget
that 1905 was just the beginning of Einstein's legacy.
His crowning achievement - the general theory of
relativity - was still to come.
Shubee
> What was uniquely Einstein's was he realized that time and space where
> not rigid and fixed, but that they where malleable. Nobody else was
> thinking that way.
Let's not be too dogmatic here. It could be a realization. And it
could be a mathematical fantasy.
Shubee
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Shubee
> > One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> > revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> > from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
> Certainly that is historically false. However it seems to be you,
> Eugene who had the misconception--Folks know that many of the ideas
> did *not* originate with Einstein.
I've attended worship services in Christian churches and physics
classes on relativity. My strongest recollections are that I've seen
greater and more worshipful devotions expressed for Einstein in
physics than Christians confess for Jesus Christ.
Attributing Poincaré's principle of relativity to Einstein, for
example, is undeniably an idolatrous expression of worship.
Shubee
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Sam Wormley
> On Jul 13, 6:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>> What was uniquely Einstein's was he realized that time and space where
>> not rigid and fixed, but that they where malleable. Nobody else was
>> thinking that way.
>
> Let's not be too dogmatic here. It could be a realization. And it
> could be a mathematical fantasy.
>
A realization it was... It was that simple little phenomenon, the coil
and the bar magnet, that of course everybody knew about, disturbed nobody
else, but Albert Einstein.
Just because many appreciate what Einstein achieved, doesn't mean they
are blind followers. Einstein's work has been tested for over a hundred
years and not found to be wrong. The data tells the story. There has not
been a prediction of relativity that has been contradicted by an observation.
When there is, relativity will be wrong. But there has not been one! Doubt
is at the heart of science. Relativity survives.
Sam Wormley
>
> I've attended worship services in Christian churches and physics
> classes on relativity. My strongest recollections are that I've seen
> greater and more worshipful devotions expressed for Einstein in
> physics than Christians confess for Jesus Christ.
>
I'm not surprised. Jesus had many teaching--religion would benefit
by concentrating on those teaching. Einstein, on the other hand, gave
us testable theories that have been remarkable tools in furthering
our understanding of nature.
Eric Gisse
> One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> from Einstein. That is historically false.
By what right do you feel you understand what most physicists believe?
Your undergraduate education wasn't in physics. You never completed
your graduate studies - not even a Masters.
After 20 years or so, your only accomplishment is a derivation of the
x,t Lorentz transformations. Which I can do in a much more cleaner and
mathematically precise fashion with ten minutes of work.
[...]
Androcles
"Shubee" <e.sh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184332057.9...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
: One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
My claim that Shubert is a total prat can be supported with a
direct quote from Einstein written in
http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/specrel/www/
"But the ray moves relatively to the initial point of k, when measured in
the stationary system, with the velocity c-v"
bz
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 13, 6:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Shubee wrote:
>> > One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
>> > revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
>> > from Einstein. That is historically false.
>>
>> Certainly that is historically false. However it seems to be you,
>> Eugene who had the misconception--Folks know that many of the ideas
>> did *not* originate with Einstein.
>
> I've attended worship services in Christian churches and physics
> classes on relativity. My strongest recollections are that I've seen
> greater and more worshipful devotions expressed for Einstein in
> physics than Christians confess for Jesus Christ.
Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by someone
that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you must find your
own path to truth'.
Every powerful religion has been based on ignoring most of those words of
wisdom and finding ways of interpreting those words not ignored so as to
enhance the power of those in power.
Science has its share of 'priests', but science is based upon TESTING
ideas, so even the priests must give advise that -- if followed -- would
lead to their downfall as priests, if the theories they espouse are wrong.
Each year there is a fresh crop of rabble rousers that question everything,
and that is how science advances.
It does NOT advance by trying to PROVE a favorite theory, as many of the
would-be 'religious reformers' that hang around here try to do.
If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable experimentm
that falsifies any part of SR or GR, by all means publicize that fact.
Not a proposed experiment, one that you and others have run.
If you just have a different way of explaining results that are already
well explained, then you are wasting our time and yours until you have DATA
that the current theories can not explain.
On the other hand, if you are one of the potty mouthed 'pseudo scientists'
that hang around here and make scientists _look_bad_ by how you act, then
you are worse than those you denegrate.
> Attributing Poincaré's principle of relativity to Einstein, for
> example, is undeniably an idolatrous expression of worship.
>
Getting hung up on who gives whom credit for what is a sign that you are
NOT spending enough time in the laboratory, testing theories.
--
bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap
Shubee
> Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1184338058.854234.249940@
> 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Jul 13, 6:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
> >> Shubee wrote:
> >> > One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> >> > revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> >> > from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
> >> Certainly that is historically false. However it seems to be you,
> >> Eugene who had the misconception--Folks know that many of the ideas
> >> did *not* originate with Einstein.
>
> > I've attended worship services in Christian churches and physics
> > classes on relativity. My strongest recollections are that I've seen
> > greater and more worshipful devotions expressed for Einstein in
> > physics than Christians confess for Jesus Christ.
>
> Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by someone
> that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you must find your
> own path to truth'.
So you don't think that Christianity is a great religion?
Shubee
Shubee
> Science has its share of 'priests', but science is based upon TESTING
> ideas, so even the priests must give advise that -- if followed -- would
> lead to their downfall as priests, if the theories they espouse are wrong.
>
> If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable experimentm
> that falsifies any part of SR or GR, by all means publicize that fact.
What about mathematical models that refute popular myths about
relativity?
Shubert
bz
news:1184353885....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
....
>>
>> Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by someone
>> that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you must find
>> your own path to truth'.
>
> So you don't think that Christianity is a great religion?
That is NOT what I said.
bz
news:1184354545.1...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
I said:
If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable experiment....
Models are not experiments.
You need to show that the model 'relativity' is refuted by experimental
data.
A mathematical model can not refute anything.
The 'accepted' model must be refuted by data.
Shubee
> Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1184353885....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
> ....
>
> >> Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by someone
> >> that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you must find
> >> your own path to truth'.
>
> > So you don't think that Christianity is a great religion?
>
> That is NOT what I said.
But can't it be inferred?
Shubee
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
bz
news:1184358912.5...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 13, 12:35 pm, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>> Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:1184353885....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>> ....
>>
>> >> Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by
>> >> someone that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you
>> >> must find your own path to truth'.
>>
>> > So you don't think that Christianity is a great religion?
>>
>> That is NOT what I said.
>
> But can't it be inferred?
Not by anyone following the rules of logic.
And you are getting far away from the topic of priests of science.
Sue...
> Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1184354545.1...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> >> Science has its share of 'priests', but science is based upon TESTING
> >> ideas, so even the priests must give advise that -- if followed --
> >> would lead to their downfall as priests, if the theories they espouse
> >> are wrong.
>
> >> If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable experimentm
> >> that falsifies any part of SR or GR, by all means publicize that fact.
>
> > What about mathematical models that refute popular myths about
> > relativity?
>
> I said:
> If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable experiment....
>
> Models are not experiments.
>
> You need to show that the model 'relativity' is refuted by experimental
> data.
>
> A mathematical model can not refute anything.
> The 'accepted' model must be refuted by data.
Almost... acceptability (or even popularity) does
not seem to trump logic.
<< The essential elements of a scientific method
are iterations, recursions, interleavings, and orderings
of the following [...}
3) Predictions (reasoning including logical
deduction from hypothesis and theory) >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
IOW Ten gazillion experiments that shows
2 + 2 = 3
...will not be scientifically acceptable.
A theory with significant mathematical errors
is disproved by simply locating the errors.
Several well known *interpretations* of SR
contain such errors.
http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/dec252005/2009.pdf
Besides, experiments are dangerous. I got the school
globe to deflect an electron beam, but the cat sratched
me for rubbing it on its fur, then I bumped into the
EHT, recoiled, banging my funny bone and now
don't give a #@!& about whether electrons fall
or not. :o)
Sue...
bz
news:1184364206.2...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 13, 4:40 pm, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>> Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> innews:1184354545.1...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >> Science has its share of 'priests', but science is based upon
>> >> TESTING ideas, so even the priests must give advise that -- if
>> >> followed -- would lead to their downfall as priests, if the theories
>> >> they espouse are wrong.
>>
>> >> If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable
>> >> experimentm that falsifies any part of SR or GR, by all means
>> >> publicize that fact.
>>
>> > What about mathematical models that refute popular myths about
>> > relativity?
>>
>> I said:
>> If you have information about an experiment, a reproducable
>> experiment....
>>
>> Models are not experiments.
>>
>> You need to show that the model 'relativity' is refuted by experimental
>> data.
>>
> -
>> A mathematical model can not refute anything.
>> The 'accepted' model must be refuted by data.
>
> Almost... acceptability (or even popularity) does
> not seem to trump logic.
The implicit assumption is that no model that fails to explain all known
data AND to be mathematically and logically consistent would be 'accepted'
for long.
Peer review brings many challenges and great opportunity to find flaws in
proposed theories.
>
> << The essential elements of a scientific method
> are iterations, recursions, interleavings, and orderings
> of the following [...}
> 3) Predictions (reasoning including logical
> deduction from hypothesis and theory) >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
>
> IOW Ten gazillion experiments that shows
>
> 2 + 2 = 3
>
> ...will not be scientifically acceptable.
They would IF labs all over the world could reproduce the results.
> A theory with significant mathematical errors
> is disproved by simply locating the errors.
Yep.
>
> Several well known *interpretations* of SR
> contain such errors.
Yep. Misinterpretations contain errors. Not news.
> http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/dec252005/2009.pdf
>
>
> Besides, experiments are dangerous.
SO is life. Happy Friday 13th.
> I got the school
> globe to deflect an electron beam, but the cat sratched
> me for rubbing it on its fur, then I bumped into the
> EHT, recoiled, banging my funny bone and now
ROTFC.
> don't give a #@!& about whether electrons fall
> or not. :o)
Tomorrow is another day.
Sue...
No they wouldn't. One of reasons we have science
is to thawrt churchs all over the world that found
agreement. No logic = no science..
>
> > A theory with significant mathematical errors
> > is disproved by simply locating the errors.
>
> Yep.
>
>
>
> > Several well known *interpretations* of SR
> > contain such errors.
>
> Yep. Misinterpretations contain errors. Not news.
>
> >http://www.iisc.ernet.in/currsci/dec252005/2009.pdf
>
> > Besides, experiments are dangerous.
>
> SO is life. Happy Friday 13th.
>
> > I got the school
> > globe to deflect an electron beam, but the cat sratched
> > me for rubbing it on its fur, then I bumped into the
> > EHT, recoiled, banging my funny bone and now
>
> ROTFC.
>
> > don't give a #@!& about whether electrons fall
> > or not. :o)
>
"Tomorrow IS anotha day".
http://www.orsonwelles.co.uk/gonewind.jpg
Sue...
harry
> Shubee wrote:
> > One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> > revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> > from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
> Certainly that is historically false. However it seems to be you,
> Eugene who had the misconception--Folks know that many of the ideas
> did *not* originate with Einstein.
>
> What was uniquely Einstein's was he realized that time and space where
> not rigid and fixed, but that they where malleable. Nobody else was
> thinking that way.
I hope you don't pretend that your claim that "time and space where
malleable" is physics. And it certainly isn't contained in
Einstein-1905. However, a new VIEW of space and time was indeed
preached years later, by Einstein's mathematics teacher Minkowski.
Minkowski pretended:
"The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have
sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their
strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by
itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of
union of the two will preserve an independent reality."
Harald
philn...@yahoo.com
> One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
>
> My claim that SR was the next, logical, easy to take baby step can be
> supported with a direct quote from Einstein written at the end of his
> life in a letter to Carl Seelig:
>
> "There is no doubt, if we look back to the development of the
> Relativity theory, special Relativity was about to be discovered in
> 1905."
>
> Shubee
You are so out of touch with the history of mathematics that it's
sad. You should educate yourself:
Ryskamp, John Henry, "Paradox, Natural Mathematics, Relativity and
Twentieth-Century Ideas" (May 19, 2007). Available at SSRN:
http://ssrn.com/abstract=897085
s...@microtec.net
He later showed that there is no asymmetry with respect
to Maxwell's electrodynamics. See the Einstein-de Haas
effect, and also the Barnett effect, which are practically
never referenced.
It relates the triple orthogonal electro-magnetic-motion
relation of electromagnetic energy.
I wrote this little piece to refocus attention on these effects
http://www.wbabin.net/science/michaud3.pdf
The issue hinges on the fact that the loose electrons in
the conductor are held captive by the bar magnet due
to forced reverse alignment of the spins of these electrons,
so when the coil is moved, the electrons tend to remain
stationary with respect to the bar magnet, which causes
them to circulate in the coil if the coil is moved.
the reverse process has the very same cause, if you move
the bar magnet inside the coil, then the electrons will
circulate for the same reason, in this case, they simply
follow the magnet.
> ...
>
> plus de détails »
Shubee
> On Jul 13, 9:07 am, Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> > revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> > from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
>
> > My claim that SR was the next, logical, easy to take baby step can be
> > supported with a direct quote from Einstein written at the end of his
> > life in a letter to Carl Seelig:
>
> > "There is no doubt, if we look back to the development of the
> > Relativity theory, special Relativity was about to be discovered in
> > 1905."
>
> > Shubee
>
> You are so out of touch with the history of mathematics that it's
> sad. You should educate yourself:
>
> Ryskamp, John Henry, "Paradox, Natural Mathematics, Relativity and
> Twentieth-Century Ideas" (May 19, 2007). Available at SSRN:http://ssrn.com/abstract=897085
The absurdity of your view is very plain from your abstract: "our
objection that Einstein's notion that one point naturally coincides
with another, has no logical content."
Little children know intuitively that a tiny arrow that moves steadily
along a continuum of numbers is a clock. For you to believe that this
childishly simple kindergarten concept is nonsense proves that you
have no understanding of relativity and that children have a better
grasp of reality than you do.
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Shubee
PD
> One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> from Einstein.
I don't know where you got that idea. I wasn't taught that. Nor did I
teach my students that. If you were subject to a mistake on that
score, that's a pity, but by no means should you assume the mistake is
widespread.
What Einstein did is synthesize a number of existing ideas, and he
furthermore carried them further than the others with the preceding
ideas were willing to take them. It is the *latter* that Einstein is
most noted for, not for the pure originality of his ideas. And THAT is
historical fact.
PD
> On Jul 13, 6:37 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> > Shubee wrote:
> > > One reason that most physicists believe that SR was a big,
> > > revolutionary step is that they are taught that all the ideas came
> > > from Einstein. That is historically false.
>
> > Certainly that is historically false. However it seems to be you,
> > Eugene who had the misconception--Folks know that many of the ideas
> > did *not* originate with Einstein.
>
> I've attended worship services in Christian churches and physics
> classes on relativity. My strongest recollections are that I've seen
> greater and more worshipful devotions expressed for Einstein in
> physics than Christians confess for Jesus Christ.
Then you were in the wrong place. Pity. Perhaps you should have
immersed yourself in a better environment.
PD
> On Jul 13, 12:35 pm, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1184353885....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
> > ....
>
> > >> Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by someone
> > >> that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you must find
> > >> your own path to truth'.
>
> > > So you don't think that Christianity is a great religion?
>
> > That is NOT what I said.
>
> But can't it be inferred?
Erroneous and unfounded inferences are the devil's playground.
>
> Shubeehttp://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
Shubee
> What Einstein did is synthesize a number of existing ideas, and he
> furthermore carried them further than the others with the preceding
> ideas were willing to take them. It is the *latter* that Einstein is
> most noted for, not for the pure originality of his ideas. And THAT is
> historical fact.
Ah, but Einstein had always denied this and many physicists still
believe Einstein.
Consider this reference:
Einstein has always denied to have known Poincaré publications. It's
hard to believe as his friends Maurice Solovine and Carl Seelig,
report Einstein had read the Poincaré book " La Science et
l'hypothèse" (no absolute time, no absolute space, no ether ... )
around 1902-1904. This book was commented at their reading commitee «
Académie Olympia » during several weeks (ref. 8, pages 129 et 139 ;
ref. 9, page VIII and ref. 17, page 30) His position at the Swiss
office patent in charge of "electromagnetism" implied that part of his
job was to read and summarize the main publications on this topic ( he
summarized several papers from the French "Academie des sciences").
At the end of his life, Einstein wrote in 1955 in a letter to Carl
Seelig:
«There is no doubt, if we look back to the development of the
Relativity theory, special Relativity was about to be discovered in
1905. Lorentz already noticed that the transformations ( named Lorentz
transformations) were essential in the Maxwell theory and Poincaré had
gone even further.
At that time I only knew Lorentz work of 1895, but I knew neither
Lorentz nor Poincaré further work.
This why I can say that my work of 1905 was independent » (ref 8, page
11).
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/Poincare.htm
Shubee
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
http://www.clubdelhorloge.fr/einstein_poincare.htm
--
Ahmed Ouahi, Architect
Best Regards!
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Shubee
Since you are an expert in all things spiritual, please show me where
the Bible teaches "something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you
must find your own path to truth'."
Shubee
PD
> On Jul 14, 8:40 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 3:35 pm, Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 13, 12:35 pm, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Shubee <e.shu...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1184353885....@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > > On Jul 13, 11:08 am, bz <bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu> wrote:
> > > > ....
>
> > > > >> Every great religion was founded upon words of wisdom spoken by someone
> > > > >> that said something to the effect 'follow none blindly, you must find
> > > > >> your own path to truth'.
>
> > > > > So you don't think that Christianity is a great religion?
>
> > > > That is NOT what I said.
>
> > > But can't it be inferred?
>
> > Erroneous and unfounded inferences are the devil's playground.
>
>
> Since you are an expert in all things spiritual,
Another example of erroneous and unfounded inferences.
I sure hope you don't do much fishing in your leisure time.